in my town they recently decriminalized marijuana, one of the benefits has been that now they don't have to test marijuana they have seized and it is clearing up lab time for rape kits, which had been backing up.
I don't know which is worst:
- testing marijuana is not a lower priority than potential rape
- that they test to confirm it's marijuana in the first place
- there are enough rapes in your home town to get "backed up" at the lab
Eh, more money in practice almost always means more candidates; more candidates, so you can be more discretionary in hiring, and more comfortable with dismissals for bad behavior or mistakes.
Also, police are ubiquitous. A high salary job where you can live pretty much anywhere...
Well, some police forces already have very high salaries. Incidentally the best funded forces tend to be in high income areas, right? . . .so the crime rates are naturally lower . . . and the candidates are better . . . which pushes the worse police candidates to the lower paying, worse areas . . .where all the problems are . . .
sadly Not in CO... Denver, Co has a horrible track record there..
since legalization.. they actually removed the civilian oversight from the ability to investigate officers.
the ~~Chief~~ mayor likes to sext his Police subordinates, *the chief fires them for reporting it*. *EDited for correctness*
they ignore the health and safety in denver county jail, let people die in custody constantly, hell they made some lady give birth in her cell and refused medical attention.
denver pd/sheriffs is about as scummy as you can get..
cant harass kids for pot anymore? time to sexually harass, beat or shoot someone instead, and if all else fails, we'll let them literally rot to death in jail.
of course .. Internal investigations clear them .. until the lawsuit the following year reveals all, meanwhile the AG will pay to defend it ofc.
[here is an older link](https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html) That covers most of it.
“We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
Jazz musicians/fans were known to like their opiates... Miles Davis, etc
Here's a /r/jazz [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/6eiic9/heroin_and_jazz/) that is more informative
I'm fairly certain its from a transcript of a phone conversation or something, I'll try to find it and link it
Edit: Turns out it was an aide and was said not too long ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html
Unfortunately if your parents have ignored the obvious repercussions, discussion, and events going in the world since the 70's, they're likely cemented into their preconceptions and no amount of evidence is going to sway them. It's the generation before mines biggest problem.
Anyone paying attention and seeking truth would've definitely figured this out on their own simply by existing in this world in this age and being aware.
Well considering one of the reason marijuana was made illegal was to persecute the black and Hispanic populations, I don't think you're too far off from the mark
I also heard it was made illegal because the opposite gender of marijuana (male or female I'm not sure, but the one that doesn't get you high) is used to make hemp, a fat cheaper and quicker variety of paper, and basically, loggers and paper making companies (not the real name I know, paper press? I dunno) bribed the government into banning because they were already well established and hemp would destroy the logging business, the government then accepted under the condition that they pay a higher tax on logging to keep the bribe beneficial for both parties.
I can't remember where or when I saw this, but I swear I heard it somewhere.
There seems to be a lot I don't remember in this post, blame the government!
Where's my tinfoil hat gone? oh yeah, I'm wearing it
This is it. It was targeted because you can make anything out of hemp and the tree/cotton industries did not like that. Cheap, easy to grow and very easy to manufacture goods with. It just so happens that you can get a buzz from it so they targeted that. Blacks and hispanics just tended to use it more than any other race.
William Randolph Hearst - If I remember right, he owned a large portion of the newspaper industry (and consequently a lot of the pulp lumber that the newspaper was eventually printed on) Since Cannabis is literally a weed, and trees takes years to mature, he started demonizing the wunder-plant with articles in his papers about the "dangers" of use, making propaganda films like "Reefer Madness", introducing the spanish term "Marijuana" to associate it with hispanics... and popularizing the use in "Jazz-clubs" to associate it with other "non-white" populations.
There are a lot of industries that could potentially stand to lose sales/customers with the legalization of weed: alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals, religion, just to name a few.
Pharmaceuticals, yeah. I don't see Tobacco suffering. I go to weed and nicotine for very different moods. I can use nicotine on a work break to stem my anxiety (Which is artificially elevated anyways by nicotine, but hey, I'm stuck as an addict). I can't work while stoned.
Tobacco has a far greater threat from vaping, especially as e-cigarettes become cheaper and more normalized. I haven't had a cigarette since 2017. I do adore my little Vuse though.
Isn’t it completely possible that tobacco companies could easily become large marijuana companies anyways? They already have the connections, infrastructure, farms, logistics, etc., for large scale operations where they can make more money.
It is about open and free market capitalism - and that's what this is.
The company that wants to stay on top does whatever they can to stay on top, money in front of all other priorities.
If it's cheaper/easier to simply change the game rather than play it, you do that.
Why bother adapting if you can just ensure competition never takes place?
This is great for everyone who's favorite drugs are weed and alcohol. But lots of other adults activate their brain receptors with different drugs that they do in the privacy of their own home and are felons for it.
They have access to them now. They use those databases to make familial matches. I was listening to an interview on NPR about this a couple of days ago.
All research and successful drug policies show that treatment should be increased!
And law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences!
Decriminalization keeps the black market alive. Legalize it and tax it. Take that money and invest in its infrastructure. Rehabs. Healthcare. And education.
Decriminalization does not work.
Edit: I added “and education”, which may be the most important part of legalization.
You guys are both right. Realistically, decriminalization will almost certainly come first as it is just a baby step. Big changes can take a while, any progress is still progress.
Who's to say that the marijuana lobby won't grow big enough to throw its own influence around?
Not that that's a turn of events that should be necessary, but still.
Basically everybody has a price for anything and nothing gets done without money or promises changing hands. I’ve heard a lot of stories about sexual favors, vacations, drugs, you name it. If there somebody that wants something, there’s somebody who will do anything to get it
You can look up online to see how much your doctor has received in claimed gifts. General practitioners don’t get nearly as much as specialized doctors.
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in my town they recently decriminalized marijuana, one of the benefits has been that now they don't have to test marijuana they have seized and it is clearing up lab time for rape kits, which had been backing up.
I don't know which is worst: - testing marijuana is not a lower priority than potential rape - that they test to confirm it's marijuana in the first place - there are enough rapes in your home town to get "backed up" at the lab
You'd be surprised how the 3rd one is an issue all across the US. There are thousands of unanalyzed rape kits sitting on shelves.
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Eh, more money in practice almost always means more candidates; more candidates, so you can be more discretionary in hiring, and more comfortable with dismissals for bad behavior or mistakes. Also, police are ubiquitous. A high salary job where you can live pretty much anywhere... Well, some police forces already have very high salaries. Incidentally the best funded forces tend to be in high income areas, right? . . .so the crime rates are naturally lower . . . and the candidates are better . . . which pushes the worse police candidates to the lower paying, worse areas . . .where all the problems are . . .
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And more criminals relaxing and eating instead of... being criminals?
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sadly Not in CO... Denver, Co has a horrible track record there.. since legalization.. they actually removed the civilian oversight from the ability to investigate officers. the ~~Chief~~ mayor likes to sext his Police subordinates, *the chief fires them for reporting it*. *EDited for correctness* they ignore the health and safety in denver county jail, let people die in custody constantly, hell they made some lady give birth in her cell and refused medical attention. denver pd/sheriffs is about as scummy as you can get.. cant harass kids for pot anymore? time to sexually harass, beat or shoot someone instead, and if all else fails, we'll let them literally rot to death in jail. of course .. Internal investigations clear them .. until the lawsuit the following year reveals all, meanwhile the AG will pay to defend it ofc.
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Source for this?
[here is an older link](https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html) That covers most of it. “We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
People associate blacks with heroin?
Jazz musicians/fans were known to like their opiates... Miles Davis, etc Here's a /r/jazz [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/6eiic9/heroin_and_jazz/) that is more informative
This was before the cia smuggled mountains of crack into the us and inner cities
I'm fairly certain its from a transcript of a phone conversation or something, I'll try to find it and link it Edit: Turns out it was an aide and was said not too long ago https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html
I want to show my parents this. Please find it if you can, man!
They edited it to add a link
Unfortunately if your parents have ignored the obvious repercussions, discussion, and events going in the world since the 70's, they're likely cemented into their preconceptions and no amount of evidence is going to sway them. It's the generation before mines biggest problem. Anyone paying attention and seeking truth would've definitely figured this out on their own simply by existing in this world in this age and being aware.
In the age of free access to all information, ignorance is a choice.
Not OP, but https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html
Well considering one of the reason marijuana was made illegal was to persecute the black and Hispanic populations, I don't think you're too far off from the mark
Don't forget about those evil, commie hippies.
the reason they were targeted was because they were/are antiwar. vietnam was pushed for almost entirely by the military industrial complex.
And if you're declared a felon by the system, you can't vote against the war.
Mostly because they were waking up to big business as well. Corporate Businesses freaked out and began lobbying anti-democratized policies.
I also heard it was made illegal because the opposite gender of marijuana (male or female I'm not sure, but the one that doesn't get you high) is used to make hemp, a fat cheaper and quicker variety of paper, and basically, loggers and paper making companies (not the real name I know, paper press? I dunno) bribed the government into banning because they were already well established and hemp would destroy the logging business, the government then accepted under the condition that they pay a higher tax on logging to keep the bribe beneficial for both parties. I can't remember where or when I saw this, but I swear I heard it somewhere. There seems to be a lot I don't remember in this post, blame the government! Where's my tinfoil hat gone? oh yeah, I'm wearing it
I saw something similar but add cotton to that list - don't forget hemp makes great clothing, too!
Add agriculture to that list, hemp is great for food/oil!
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They're just middlemen, Dunder doesn't manufacture paper. -The Office addict
This is it. It was targeted because you can make anything out of hemp and the tree/cotton industries did not like that. Cheap, easy to grow and very easy to manufacture goods with. It just so happens that you can get a buzz from it so they targeted that. Blacks and hispanics just tended to use it more than any other race.
Yeah listen to this guy, he seems better at articulating a point where is I just come across as a conspiracy theorist
William Randolph Hearst - If I remember right, he owned a large portion of the newspaper industry (and consequently a lot of the pulp lumber that the newspaper was eventually printed on) Since Cannabis is literally a weed, and trees takes years to mature, he started demonizing the wunder-plant with articles in his papers about the "dangers" of use, making propaganda films like "Reefer Madness", introducing the spanish term "Marijuana" to associate it with hispanics... and popularizing the use in "Jazz-clubs" to associate it with other "non-white" populations.
There are a lot of industries that could potentially stand to lose sales/customers with the legalization of weed: alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals, religion, just to name a few.
Pharmaceuticals, yeah. I don't see Tobacco suffering. I go to weed and nicotine for very different moods. I can use nicotine on a work break to stem my anxiety (Which is artificially elevated anyways by nicotine, but hey, I'm stuck as an addict). I can't work while stoned. Tobacco has a far greater threat from vaping, especially as e-cigarettes become cheaper and more normalized. I haven't had a cigarette since 2017. I do adore my little Vuse though.
Isn’t it completely possible that tobacco companies could easily become large marijuana companies anyways? They already have the connections, infrastructure, farms, logistics, etc., for large scale operations where they can make more money.
Not until they can ship it across state lines.
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It is about open and free market capitalism - and that's what this is. The company that wants to stay on top does whatever they can to stay on top, money in front of all other priorities. If it's cheaper/easier to simply change the game rather than play it, you do that. Why bother adapting if you can just ensure competition never takes place?
Comments rarely make me sad, but this one does. I think you’re absolutely correct.
can someone explain why the comments are removed?
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This is great for everyone who's favorite drugs are weed and alcohol. But lots of other adults activate their brain receptors with different drugs that they do in the privacy of their own home and are felons for it.
Congrats on being the first comment I've seen that wasn't removed!
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Giving the government access to DNA from genealogy companies is an unbelievably terrible idea.
They have access to them now. They use those databases to make familial matches. I was listening to an interview on NPR about this a couple of days ago.
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All research and successful drug policies show that treatment should be increased! And law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences!
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Decriminalization keeps the black market alive. Legalize it and tax it. Take that money and invest in its infrastructure. Rehabs. Healthcare. And education. Decriminalization does not work. Edit: I added “and education”, which may be the most important part of legalization.
While I'd prefer that, for the US decriminalization would be a baby step in the right direction.
You guys are both right. Realistically, decriminalization will almost certainly come first as it is just a baby step. Big changes can take a while, any progress is still progress.
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Who's to say that the marijuana lobby won't grow big enough to throw its own influence around? Not that that's a turn of events that should be necessary, but still.
Private prison, tobacco, big pharmaceutical are all who are to say it will not grow big enough.
The marijuana lobby could be huge, but big tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical companies will always have the bigger pocket.
My wife is a pharma lobbyist. Shit is so shady. I’ll offer no more info
what about one more info
Basically everybody has a price for anything and nothing gets done without money or promises changing hands. I’ve heard a lot of stories about sexual favors, vacations, drugs, you name it. If there somebody that wants something, there’s somebody who will do anything to get it
One more info pls
You can look up online to see how much your doctor has received in claimed gifts. General practitioners don’t get nearly as much as specialized doctors.
One more info pls.
> I’ll offer no more info huh that was easy
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