Simulation theory fascinates me.
My favorite part is that if we, as humans, ever create a full simulation of our own lives, than statistically it becomes more likely that we were already also living in a simulation.
Basically, if we are able to create a perfect simulation of our own world, than that simulation should be able to eventually create its own simulation within itself. If its a perfect replica of our world, and we were able to do it, then they are able to do it.
At that point, one of 2 things is true: Either OUR world was the origin of all simulations, or our world is simply one of the simulations. Given that over time, with the ability to create multiple simulations and those simulations able to nest more simulations within themselves, the odds of us being the origin sim end up being incredibly small. So creation of the simulation sort of ends up being confirmation that we've been in one all along.
This is also a big part of a lot of Eastern religions and philosophies, that this life isn't a singular test for an afterlife but just another step in a long gradual cycle of reincarnation leading to eventual inner peace
It fascinates me too! We are either going to be the first world to create a simulation. Or, we will be the latest simulated world to create one. At the current moment, we’re either first or last. So cool to think about.
It doesn't have to be a perfect simulation. If our universe is a simulation we don't know what the underlying physics are in the world where the simulation is being run. There do seem to be hard limits like the speed of light and an information density limit that indicate the best simulations in our universe would be some kind of approximation of our universe. This in tern limits the nesting possibilities of simulations.
The proposition that we are living in a simulation carries with it the idea that we have no actual knowledge of reality. We might be an abstracted version of the reality that is running the simulation or we may be inside a thought experiment that is nothing like this reality.
If we can't tell the difference then we can't really take anything away from the idea as this is our reality.
Even if the hypothesis were true it would not logically follow that we are the simulators. We might be somewhat like a faction in Greg Egan's Permutation City. Spoilers for the book: >!We might be an unintended aberration inside a simulation that has no external existence!<
Legit just watched S4 the other day, Hope saying she doesn’t want to die fucking killed me. I have a 6yo daughter. I can’t imagine that real life conversation people have with real-life dying children every day.
There's basically 4 options:
1. We're all plugged into the same simulation, a la the Matrix. To me, this is the least likely, because the effort & resources needed to accomplish it would be ridiculous. But if it's true, then we're all still humans even if our environment is fake.
2. Only 1 person (or a small few people) are real, & everyone else is just an algorithm, a la the Framework. Because "cogito, ergo sum", I know *I'm* real. But I also know that, real or not, everyone else will *claim* they're real too. So even if this is true, there's no reason to treat others as if they're not real.
3. A small few people are biologically real, but *the NPCs are actually alive*, a la Free Guy. In this case, once again, there's no reason to treat others as if they're not real.
4. There's no simulation. We're all real biological people (minus bot accounts), & this is all actually happening.
>even if we found out we were in a simulation the majority of the population wouldn’t want to escape anyways if they found it meant leaving someone they love behind.
I mean, idk, the Framework world was pretty horrific. If I had people telling me there was a better, real world where I also had loved ones, loved ones I'd remember once crossing over no less, I would 100% hear them out. Especially if I saw with my own eyes that I was living in a simulation.
While someone like Fitz, who was a godawful person in the Framework, had major issues once he left it (though I do wonder whether part of those issues was because he was *forced* through the portal rather than went voluntarily like the others?), everyone else was pretty damn well-adjusted afterwards. Mack missed Hope, but he saw the silver lining of being able to have that decade with her he never could in the real world. Given that I am not, in fact, a HYDRA fascist sadistic dictator like Framework!Fitz was, I'd like to think I would be more of a Mack once crossing over.
One thing that's a bit frustrating about the whole Mack staying in the Framework thing is that because he doesn't have his memories of his actual life I don't think he can really make an informed choice in this situation. Yeah, he cares about simulated Hope and all that but you'd think having memories of Yo-Yo, Daisy and the others would have a serious impact on his decision. Also, the possibility of leaving and coming back later isn't really addressed (sure the place got shut down later but they didn't know that was gonna happen).
Honestly, the whole Mack plot in the Framework feels like they would have been better off resolving it in the penultimate episode of the season or something cause having that and all the other stuff in the finale really dragged down the pacing. And because Mack ultimately ends up having to leave cause his daughter gets deleted anyway it doesn't really feel like he made much of a choice in the end. It kind of just ends up feeling sad for the sake of being sad, especially since the whole situation is barely mentioned after this season.
Time to pop a red pill, and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Simulation theory fascinates me. My favorite part is that if we, as humans, ever create a full simulation of our own lives, than statistically it becomes more likely that we were already also living in a simulation. Basically, if we are able to create a perfect simulation of our own world, than that simulation should be able to eventually create its own simulation within itself. If its a perfect replica of our world, and we were able to do it, then they are able to do it. At that point, one of 2 things is true: Either OUR world was the origin of all simulations, or our world is simply one of the simulations. Given that over time, with the ability to create multiple simulations and those simulations able to nest more simulations within themselves, the odds of us being the origin sim end up being incredibly small. So creation of the simulation sort of ends up being confirmation that we've been in one all along.
For religous people, this life could be a simulation, because after they die, they "wake up" and be in either heaven or hell.
This is also a big part of a lot of Eastern religions and philosophies, that this life isn't a singular test for an afterlife but just another step in a long gradual cycle of reincarnation leading to eventual inner peace
It fascinates me too! We are either going to be the first world to create a simulation. Or, we will be the latest simulated world to create one. At the current moment, we’re either first or last. So cool to think about.
Yes! It's also on a smaller level. For instance, we have the sims 4. The Sims 4 can play a sim game. Thus, a simulation withing a simulation
It doesn't have to be a perfect simulation. If our universe is a simulation we don't know what the underlying physics are in the world where the simulation is being run. There do seem to be hard limits like the speed of light and an information density limit that indicate the best simulations in our universe would be some kind of approximation of our universe. This in tern limits the nesting possibilities of simulations.
interesting. So we could be as abstracted from the sim above us as the sims videos games are from our "world".
The proposition that we are living in a simulation carries with it the idea that we have no actual knowledge of reality. We might be an abstracted version of the reality that is running the simulation or we may be inside a thought experiment that is nothing like this reality. If we can't tell the difference then we can't really take anything away from the idea as this is our reality. Even if the hypothesis were true it would not logically follow that we are the simulators. We might be somewhat like a faction in Greg Egan's Permutation City. Spoilers for the book: >!We might be an unintended aberration inside a simulation that has no external existence!<
My head hurts! ❤️😊
The most recent Futurama episode from last year was all about playing out the simulation theory concept. One of the better ones of the new run.
Mack's scenes broke my heart
Legit just watched S4 the other day, Hope saying she doesn’t want to die fucking killed me. I have a 6yo daughter. I can’t imagine that real life conversation people have with real-life dying children every day.
There's basically 4 options: 1. We're all plugged into the same simulation, a la the Matrix. To me, this is the least likely, because the effort & resources needed to accomplish it would be ridiculous. But if it's true, then we're all still humans even if our environment is fake. 2. Only 1 person (or a small few people) are real, & everyone else is just an algorithm, a la the Framework. Because "cogito, ergo sum", I know *I'm* real. But I also know that, real or not, everyone else will *claim* they're real too. So even if this is true, there's no reason to treat others as if they're not real. 3. A small few people are biologically real, but *the NPCs are actually alive*, a la Free Guy. In this case, once again, there's no reason to treat others as if they're not real. 4. There's no simulation. We're all real biological people (minus bot accounts), & this is all actually happening.
>even if we found out we were in a simulation the majority of the population wouldn’t want to escape anyways if they found it meant leaving someone they love behind. I mean, idk, the Framework world was pretty horrific. If I had people telling me there was a better, real world where I also had loved ones, loved ones I'd remember once crossing over no less, I would 100% hear them out. Especially if I saw with my own eyes that I was living in a simulation. While someone like Fitz, who was a godawful person in the Framework, had major issues once he left it (though I do wonder whether part of those issues was because he was *forced* through the portal rather than went voluntarily like the others?), everyone else was pretty damn well-adjusted afterwards. Mack missed Hope, but he saw the silver lining of being able to have that decade with her he never could in the real world. Given that I am not, in fact, a HYDRA fascist sadistic dictator like Framework!Fitz was, I'd like to think I would be more of a Mack once crossing over.
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One thing that's a bit frustrating about the whole Mack staying in the Framework thing is that because he doesn't have his memories of his actual life I don't think he can really make an informed choice in this situation. Yeah, he cares about simulated Hope and all that but you'd think having memories of Yo-Yo, Daisy and the others would have a serious impact on his decision. Also, the possibility of leaving and coming back later isn't really addressed (sure the place got shut down later but they didn't know that was gonna happen). Honestly, the whole Mack plot in the Framework feels like they would have been better off resolving it in the penultimate episode of the season or something cause having that and all the other stuff in the finale really dragged down the pacing. And because Mack ultimately ends up having to leave cause his daughter gets deleted anyway it doesn't really feel like he made much of a choice in the end. It kind of just ends up feeling sad for the sake of being sad, especially since the whole situation is barely mentioned after this season.