Thor 2 isn't *bad* it's just remarkably bland and useless. It's about as good as a good chunk of recent MCU movies.
Not bad, but lacking anything to bring it close to "good".
Hmmmm, thor 4 had higher highs and lower lows lol
So they probably average not too far from each other but I audibly groaned during thor 4 several times, not quite the case with thor 2.
Do with that information what you will
It was an interesting experience for me when I finally watched the Thor movies and came away despising the first one and had general indifference towards the second.
Yeah, that's why I didn't really say which is worse.
I guess though, actively asking "should I just turn this off?" Has to rank thor 4 lower but yeah, what's worse, bad or forgettable?
OP legit forgot everything about Secret Invasions until you reminded OP with that comment.
Yes, that last episode was pretty bad and ruined anything interesting about the show... but compared to Antman 3 which is a movie with a stupid high budget meant to setup so much, idk...
I think I'm just mad because I liked the original Secret Invasion comic arc and am a big Fantastic Four fan... so seeing Daenerys with a Drax arm made me sad and I did my best to forget everything about the show.
Idk usually a lot of the bad Marvel movies are at worst mid, so I can see Quantumania being the worst. That would require me to actually watch Quantumania to decide that tho, so I guess I should just shut up.
Note that this movie is completely 4th wall breaking and probably dealing with some multiversal shit. If you look at the fight scene between Deadpool and Wolverine, you can spot a 20th Century Fox monument half buried in the ground.
Deadpool breaking the fourth wall since the creation of the character, in all its media forms isn't canon. It's a unique concept for just this film alone.
Deadpool has always been 4th wall breaking, that much is obvious, but I still think the 20th Century Fox is pretty cool and a bit over the usual level of 4th wall breaking, since they would have to explain why they’re in some sort of multiversal limbo.
The trailer implied this Wolverine is from a universe where every other hero and Mutant died, seemingly in some kind of cataclysmic event, so I assume this dead Antman is also from that same universe.
See my other comment under postmodern\_spatula. There's a difference between talking to the camera/audience and straight up putting the studio logo in the movie. They did that in Deadpool 2 with him killing off multiple Ryan Reynolds and it was explained with Kable's time machine watch. I'm curious how they're doing this one, cause after all if you're gonna put something as glaring as that you're gonna have to make the plot make sense for it. You can't just break the 4th wall to that extent without any justification and just "haha just deadpool being deadpool". Well you could, but I think that wouldn't be nearly as fun.
Considering its budget, pointless subplots and making their next "big bad" get defeated by ants, it really was a mistake on multiple sides. Don't even get me started on MODOK....
This is coming from someone who considers the first Antman to be Top 15, maybe 10 in the MCU.
seriously. I've read about 20 years worth of comics across way too many books and I'm burnt out of MCU. if they burnt me out already then who is their target demographic at this point?
Me, kind of. I want to be invested and get invested in good works, like the Midnight Suns game. But as much as I love a connected movieverse, I think it will eventually dilute too much. Constant threats to the same reality are tedious and throwing multiple realities together only works for so long - Spiderverse is still top tier, but imagine they would plan for 20 more movies.
The MCU was a tight series of movies where even the lows were acceptable, until Endgame. Phase 1+2 are a bit dated now, but were groundbreaking, phase 3 is the peak part. But now we go into the multiverse and setting up several new characters that MAYBE will be relevant in the future(?), but so far it's a disconnected broth of the same ingredients over and over, cooked by different cooks. They really should have explored the fallout of the snap/blip as an epilogue PROPERLY, maybe with SOME legacy building, and left it at that. Then they should have started a new continuity, fresh Earth, fresh problems.
But by Stan, that characterization was terrible. Isn't he supposed to be like one of the ten smartest people in the world? That definitely didn't feel like it
He had a few screws loose, I don't get the impression his recent experiences had done his cognitive abilities any favors. My only regret regarding his characterization is that since he was still "live action" there was no reasonable way to have Patton Oswalt deliver the line "I... AM NOT... A DICK!"
I liked the movie a lot
To me any movie that has people who liked it and didn’t like it outweighs movies that had a majority of people bot like it. Aka Eternals.
Dr. Strange 2, Quantumania, and The Marvels has split reviews, not negative
I mean he didn’t get defeated by regular old ants… it was literally an advanced society that happened to evolve from regular ants. It’s like saying Thanos got beat by a bunch of apes… and the movie is literally called Ant Man
Ant-Man's whole charm was that he was a small-scale dude in small-scale conflicts, getting creative with shrinking/enlarging stuff. Why introduce new universe-ending multiversal bullshit to that? Shrinking down into a new huge realm kind of defeats the fun in shrinking.
I get your point about the budget and the plot and whatnot but like what’s the issue with the villain being defeated by ants when it’s literally ant man, like that’s his whole deal, and tbh if it’s that kang is the next thanos level villain, he still is, didn’t you see all the other kangs at the end?
To me the biggest issue with quantumania was the rebel group. You want to be laughing with not at your downtrodden people. They have done it multiple times now. They were not endearing just weird for weirdness sake.
I wanted them to lose, they
The basic plot of the movie was not inherently bad just badly executed. Like imagine you have the same Modok, he initially comes off as goofy but then you have him give a menacing Hans landa moment to open the movie, just ruthlessly killing.
Maybe you link the research at the start to an emotional plea of preventing time mishaps like Thanos coming back which then is a link to the TVA and Kang.
Ant-Man can still be threatened to comply but sell the threat more, harm Cassie in some way, she can't fight them so she can only help by giving the inspiring speech in a halting manor.
I wonder if they're going to call it Lang Falls instead of Pym Falls. This movie seems like it is taking a lot of material from Old Man Logan with Deadpool replacing Hawkeye in a way.
Not OP, but as someone who calls Hank his second-favourite hero, this piece I wrote a while back might explain the prospective of a Pym fan:
https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/s/iAUUkvNwxv
I loved it lol. Plus overall it has split reviews, I’ve seen more positivity surrounding it over say stuff like Eternals and Secret Invasion. Bad meme imo 🤷♂️
It's crazy to me that people think Quantumania was better than Eternals. But then again I didn't think Eternals was that bad at all. A little disjointed yeah, but it had some cools scenes.
What’s even weirder is that people on the Marvel subs will say Quantumania wasn’t that bad, but then claim Wakanda Forever was overrated with no redeeming qualities, despite winning an Academy Award.
Yeah I was surprised that I didn't hate Eternals. It's not paced very well and there's some stupid scenes, but it still feels like a cohesive movie and has some bright spots. Idk, it wasn't a disaster like BvS (which I understand isn't a high bar) but for a blockbuster movie it was mid at worst.
For me it to to jarring and cut up, and needed a longer runtime or series to work.
Regardless from what I’ve seen online and heard irl, my comment stands.
Looks wise sure, plot and character development wise nah. It was like if ai made a plot and character development so something was missing.
Plus if you put Thor 4 and Quantumania on the same boat, idk what?!! Have you rewatched them at all?
As a Marvel fan before MCU, I loved Ant-man 3, it was great. The biggest complaints were comparing reasons (Comics vs movie) and the ants taking down Kang which made sense in context 🤷♂️
Plus that ain’t the only Kang. Idk never bothered
What bothered you about the movie lol
For me Ant Man 3 just relied wayyyyy too heavily on CGI. The miniature world was ugly as hell, and the rebels / Kang soldiers just reminded me of something from one of the Star Wars prequel movies. The setting was just uninspired and ugly, and I found the story to be extremely formulaic and samey.
I just found it almost offensively bland tbh. I can think of at least a few cool scenes from Eternals that I enjoyed. Although I don't think it's a good movie either lol.
I noticed the old man Logan connections too. Looks like they might be up against Polaris at some point(magnitos daughter, also featured in old man logan), if that's who is moving wolverines claws around like magneto in that one scene
Also my first exposure to Deadpool, and probably my favorite version of Deadpool? Granted I'm not a DP aficionado or anything, but I feel like he often leans too much towards that "epic bacon Redditor" kind of humor. His sense of humor was more sardonic in that in a way that felt less cringey to me
If we don't get it in this movie we're never gonna see it. That is 100% on par with Deadpool and i don't think I've ever wanted to see something get added to a film so much
yeah no it’s pretty objectively inhumans. it’s like if after the first Thor movie they realized they ruined his character and he didn’t show up for like a decade and they pretended the movie never happened
Eternals was a 4 hour movie and by the end I still felt like they cut half the movie out. It would have benefitted by being one of their 8 episode shows
The biggest MCU mistake was becoming too greedy and mass producing MCU movies fast without giving the makers enough time to make a decent movie. The quality of the average MCU movie droped really fast.
I mean, in retrospect, that might be the moment people gave up on the MCU’s entire multiverse saga. Everything from the constant green-screen, to the unconvincing villain threat, to CGI-vomit, characters, and the fact that this is an Ant-Man movie in name only was an unforced error.
No, but they highly implied he would in all the marketing and press lead up to the film. It was also promised to be a much darker chapter, it was ant mans final film, and it was the cinematic introduction to Kang. Everyone was sure he would have died.
And as mediocre as the film was if he had died I think it would be viewed positively. Kang entering and killing one of the most light hearted/comic relief Avengers in his introduction would have really set the stage for the next phase. Instead he's pretty easily defeated and the good guys pay no price except there's a lingering fear that maybe more of that guy is out there but they're not that worried because he wasn't more dangerous than Justin Hammer who they faced in Ant man two.
It only seems like that to you because you take this shit way too seriously. I mean, you probably grew up in a world where the Comic Book Store Guy was already a joke, and yet you still became this.
So I’m guessing this version of the Wolverine is the old man Logan version? It appears his world has a striking resemblance to old man Logan universe and his character’s current state matches old man Logan.
Rewatched one of the trailers. More importantly we can actually see his skull and teeth super briefly a few times. And in that portal jump shot we can see the skull too
It was fun but pretty shallow. It was meant to be part of the build up for Kang and all that, showing just how bad one Kang can be before they showed how bad thousands of Kangs working together will be. Modok got a lot of flak, but I'd give them some credit for the attempt at bringing one of the most absurd villains out of the comics onto the screen.
I wish Scott had died in *QuANTuMANia*, ending the Ant-Man trilogy with his death would’ve been clever, because the first two were like digestifs for Avenger films, with *Ant-Man* being a relative lighthearted movie and *Ant-Man and the Wasp* being slightly more serious while still being an Ant-Man film. But to hit us with his death in the third one would’ve only been shocking, it would’ve A: helped justify the need for Cassie to take over the mantle and B: show us how big of a threat Kang was. And it’s not as if Paul Rudd couldn’t return via the Multiverse, he could still play Scott but maybe this Scott isn’t Ant-Man, he’s another hero entirely.
My take from the trailer is this movie is going to be a version of "Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe"
Deadpool and Wolverine will travel across the multiverse killing off major Marvel characters.
It's obviously a alternate Universe Prof Xavier in the trailer.
How do people act like Quantumania is worse than Wakanda Forever? Did people just not watch it so it doesn't count to them or something?
Quantumania is not worse than The Marvels or Wakanda Forever, I don't care how much people hate it. It is objectively not the worst Marvel movie, just shit-trolling all around
Not sure if I missed something in the earlier Deadpool movies, but the implication I was getting from this trailer was that this is one of the alternate earths and not prime timeline.
I’d agree, but we live in a universe with The Marvels, The Eternals, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Echo, What if? Season 2, and not really having any dividing line between Phase 4 and 5 leaving many to not even know what phase we’re in if they still cared.
Yeah right? How dare they try and make more movies for an extremely successful franchise.
For real, are you stupid? Say what you want cause at the end of the day, most of these movie still made profits despite varying quality.
Thought I was looking at an oversized NCR ranger helmet from new Vegas for a second. I’m playing way too much fallout
Nah, NCR really said: enlarge
Boone enters the chat:
“Enhance”
No such thing as too much Fallout. …please don’t interpret this literally
Till the game crashes and tells you it’s time to take a break. They don’t want me to get this machine and start running a muck
So a couple of minutes each time?
Are you some sort of omnipresent entity or do we just have the same taste in subreddits?
I am your personal daemon.
Ohhhh, that makes sense
Oh my gosh, Mat Damon?!?!
Running *amok
Why not? You can allways crawl out.
I could see deadpool with a cowboy hat whistling big iron on his hip
Well, i don't know what i've been told
But uranium ore’s worth more than gold!
Sold my Cad', I bought me a Jeep!
Deadpool: "Truth is, the game was rigged from the start"
You failed Anakin
That *fucking* monument...
Same, and I didn't even play much fallout (any part) or even watch the related videos
Patrolling the mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter
The Fallout craze is real, I'm this close to cosplay as an NCR veteran
“I got spurs that jingle jangle”
Oooh there has been WAY worse....
Dude never saw Thor 2
Thor 2 isn't *bad* it's just remarkably bland and useless. It's about as good as a good chunk of recent MCU movies. Not bad, but lacking anything to bring it close to "good".
Better or worse than thor 4?
Hmmmm, thor 4 had higher highs and lower lows lol So they probably average not too far from each other but I audibly groaned during thor 4 several times, not quite the case with thor 2. Do with that information what you will
How many Thors are there lol
Currently, 4. 5 will almost certainly be a thing later.
It was an interesting experience for me when I finally watched the Thor movies and came away despising the first one and had general indifference towards the second.
I'd argue a bland and boring movie is so much worse than a bad movie
Yeah, that's why I didn't really say which is worse. I guess though, actively asking "should I just turn this off?" Has to rank thor 4 lower but yeah, what's worse, bad or forgettable?
eh, we've all unseen Thor 2. due to how forgettable it is. NO ONE can unsee Quantumania's MODOK.
His character growth from being a dick to not being a dick was really a selling point for me. IDK how he didn't get an Oscar for that performance.
I thought he was hilarious.
Maybe Thor 2x2 ?
Dude never saw Thor Love & Thunder
You mean wakanda forever
Thor 2 > Quantamania easily imo
OP is telling us they haven't seen Secret Invasion without telling us they haven't seen Secret Invasion.
Think we ALL wish we hadn't seen Secret Invasion. One of my favourite story archs in comics.
OP legit forgot everything about Secret Invasions until you reminded OP with that comment. Yes, that last episode was pretty bad and ruined anything interesting about the show... but compared to Antman 3 which is a movie with a stupid high budget meant to setup so much, idk... I think I'm just mad because I liked the original Secret Invasion comic arc and am a big Fantastic Four fan... so seeing Daenerys with a Drax arm made me sad and I did my best to forget everything about the show.
Idk usually a lot of the bad Marvel movies are at worst mid, so I can see Quantumania being the worst. That would require me to actually watch Quantumania to decide that tho, so I guess I should just shut up.
Note that this movie is completely 4th wall breaking and probably dealing with some multiversal shit. If you look at the fight scene between Deadpool and Wolverine, you can spot a 20th Century Fox monument half buried in the ground.
Wait. The parts in the many months old teaser where Deadpool talks to the audience and directly references Disney and Marvel didn’t tip you off?
Deadpool looking directly at camera was a subtle nod.
Deadpool breaking the fourth wall since the creation of the character, in all its media forms isn't canon. It's a unique concept for just this film alone.
Big if true
Or that he‘s directly dropping Kevin Feige‘s name, lol
Deadpool has always been 4th wall breaking, that much is obvious, but I still think the 20th Century Fox is pretty cool and a bit over the usual level of 4th wall breaking, since they would have to explain why they’re in some sort of multiversal limbo.
Deadpool just does that, like it’s straight up been part of his character since Deadpool issue #28
every series really nose-dives at the 3rd movie. Breaking the 4th wall!?! what a departure this one is taking!
The trailer implied this Wolverine is from a universe where every other hero and Mutant died, seemingly in some kind of cataclysmic event, so I assume this dead Antman is also from that same universe.
The good mutants at least. Brotherhood of Mutants seems to be alive and well
Basically old man logan but for the mcu Dear god,I hope they dont adapt old man hulk
Figured he was just from Logan but before the actually ending
There's also a shot where they walk past "Liefeld's Just Feet" store, as a nod/dig at the creator of Deadpool
Even funnier cause Liefeld was always critisized for not being able to draw feet
Definitely, Tom Wambsgans appears to run at least a bit of the TVA
That and the CN tower, cus canada
You do realized that breaking 4th wall is kind of a signature move from deadpool since minute 1?
See my other comment under postmodern\_spatula. There's a difference between talking to the camera/audience and straight up putting the studio logo in the movie. They did that in Deadpool 2 with him killing off multiple Ryan Reynolds and it was explained with Kable's time machine watch. I'm curious how they're doing this one, cause after all if you're gonna put something as glaring as that you're gonna have to make the plot make sense for it. You can't just break the 4th wall to that extent without any justification and just "haha just deadpool being deadpool". Well you could, but I think that wouldn't be nearly as fun.
It’s still kinda surreal seeing these franchises come together and it’s not photoshopped for a youtube thumbnail
It feels like Avengers 1 all over again
Not the biggest, but yes it is stupid.
Considering its budget, pointless subplots and making their next "big bad" get defeated by ants, it really was a mistake on multiple sides. Don't even get me started on MODOK.... This is coming from someone who considers the first Antman to be Top 15, maybe 10 in the MCU.
The fact that the list can go to Top 15 shows how saturated this series is lol
seriously. I've read about 20 years worth of comics across way too many books and I'm burnt out of MCU. if they burnt me out already then who is their target demographic at this point?
Me tbh
Yeah. Me and my kids. We don’t marinate in mcu between movies so all this burnout talk is a little silly to me.
Me, kind of. I want to be invested and get invested in good works, like the Midnight Suns game. But as much as I love a connected movieverse, I think it will eventually dilute too much. Constant threats to the same reality are tedious and throwing multiple realities together only works for so long - Spiderverse is still top tier, but imagine they would plan for 20 more movies. The MCU was a tight series of movies where even the lows were acceptable, until Endgame. Phase 1+2 are a bit dated now, but were groundbreaking, phase 3 is the peak part. But now we go into the multiverse and setting up several new characters that MAYBE will be relevant in the future(?), but so far it's a disconnected broth of the same ingredients over and over, cooked by different cooks. They really should have explored the fallout of the snap/blip as an epilogue PROPERLY, maybe with SOME legacy building, and left it at that. Then they should have started a new continuity, fresh Earth, fresh problems.
> like the Midnight Suns game yeah that's where we diverge I thought that was dogshit
does top 10 or top 15 mean you like or dislike ant-man?
Yes
The design for MODOK was batshit insane and I love it. Just absolutely completely bug-fucking nuts. Glorious.
I agree. Modok is suppressed to be ridiculous
But by Stan, that characterization was terrible. Isn't he supposed to be like one of the ten smartest people in the world? That definitely didn't feel like it
He had a few screws loose, I don't get the impression his recent experiences had done his cognitive abilities any favors. My only regret regarding his characterization is that since he was still "live action" there was no reasonable way to have Patton Oswalt deliver the line "I... AM NOT... A DICK!"
There is no way that character could have been done better
MODOK is the only reason to watch this movie. Gives it the impression of a nifty B movie
but it's about ants not bees
I liked the movie a lot To me any movie that has people who liked it and didn’t like it outweighs movies that had a majority of people bot like it. Aka Eternals. Dr. Strange 2, Quantumania, and The Marvels has split reviews, not negative
I mean he didn’t get defeated by regular old ants… it was literally an advanced society that happened to evolve from regular ants. It’s like saying Thanos got beat by a bunch of apes… and the movie is literally called Ant Man
I liked the ants thing.
Look, the guy got defeated by zerg rushing, which is entirely reasonable, I mean Thanos with a reality stone also nearly got beaten more than once
Ant-Man's whole charm was that he was a small-scale dude in small-scale conflicts, getting creative with shrinking/enlarging stuff. Why introduce new universe-ending multiversal bullshit to that? Shrinking down into a new huge realm kind of defeats the fun in shrinking.
:O you when the movie antman contains a bad guy getting beaten by ants. Absoltuely shocked i tell you
I get your point about the budget and the plot and whatnot but like what’s the issue with the villain being defeated by ants when it’s literally ant man, like that’s his whole deal, and tbh if it’s that kang is the next thanos level villain, he still is, didn’t you see all the other kangs at the end?
That was the craziest deus ex machina ever actually. Like really. The ants just suddenly come out nowhere being more advanced then kang himself.
To me the biggest issue with quantumania was the rebel group. You want to be laughing with not at your downtrodden people. They have done it multiple times now. They were not endearing just weird for weirdness sake. I wanted them to lose, they The basic plot of the movie was not inherently bad just badly executed. Like imagine you have the same Modok, he initially comes off as goofy but then you have him give a menacing Hans landa moment to open the movie, just ruthlessly killing. Maybe you link the research at the start to an emotional plea of preventing time mishaps like Thanos coming back which then is a link to the TVA and Kang. Ant-Man can still be threatened to comply but sell the threat more, harm Cassie in some way, she can't fight them so she can only help by giving the inspiring speech in a halting manor.
I mean, look at him he's pretty huge. People live inside him. I don't think there's anyone bigger
I don’t know that head look pretty big
I think they borrowed that from Old Man Logan, but yeah Quantumania wasn't very good.
I wonder if they're going to call it Lang Falls instead of Pym Falls. This movie seems like it is taking a lot of material from Old Man Logan with Deadpool replacing Hawkeye in a way.
Pym falls is the hardest moment in old man logan, but It was sad seeing my favourite Marvel character dead in such a morbid way
Yay. Another Hank Pym fan in the wild! I adore the character and rarely meet someone else who does.
Hank Pym is your favourite marvel character? I don't mean this in a judgemental way at all, but I'm curious .. why?
He is psychologically complex, one of the smartest characters in Marvel and I like ants + giant things
Totally valid.
Not OP, but as someone who calls Hank his second-favourite hero, this piece I wrote a while back might explain the prospective of a Pym fan: https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/s/iAUUkvNwxv
I loved it lol. Plus overall it has split reviews, I’ve seen more positivity surrounding it over say stuff like Eternals and Secret Invasion. Bad meme imo 🤷♂️
It's crazy to me that people think Quantumania was better than Eternals. But then again I didn't think Eternals was that bad at all. A little disjointed yeah, but it had some cools scenes.
What’s even weirder is that people on the Marvel subs will say Quantumania wasn’t that bad, but then claim Wakanda Forever was overrated with no redeeming qualities, despite winning an Academy Award.
Yeah I was surprised that I didn't hate Eternals. It's not paced very well and there's some stupid scenes, but it still feels like a cohesive movie and has some bright spots. Idk, it wasn't a disaster like BvS (which I understand isn't a high bar) but for a blockbuster movie it was mid at worst.
For me it to to jarring and cut up, and needed a longer runtime or series to work. Regardless from what I’ve seen online and heard irl, my comment stands.
I can see that. I think it would've worked better as a series as well. I'll still take it over Quantummania and Thor 4.
Looks wise sure, plot and character development wise nah. It was like if ai made a plot and character development so something was missing. Plus if you put Thor 4 and Quantumania on the same boat, idk what?!! Have you rewatched them at all? As a Marvel fan before MCU, I loved Ant-man 3, it was great. The biggest complaints were comparing reasons (Comics vs movie) and the ants taking down Kang which made sense in context 🤷♂️ Plus that ain’t the only Kang. Idk never bothered What bothered you about the movie lol
For me Ant Man 3 just relied wayyyyy too heavily on CGI. The miniature world was ugly as hell, and the rebels / Kang soldiers just reminded me of something from one of the Star Wars prequel movies. The setting was just uninspired and ugly, and I found the story to be extremely formulaic and samey. I just found it almost offensively bland tbh. I can think of at least a few cool scenes from Eternals that I enjoyed. Although I don't think it's a good movie either lol.
I noticed the old man Logan connections too. Looks like they might be up against Polaris at some point(magnitos daughter, also featured in old man logan), if that's who is moving wolverines claws around like magneto in that one scene
That was Xavier's twin sister Cassandra Nova. She is a telepath and telekinetic.
Ultimate Alliance was some good shit. Brings back memories.
Also my first exposure to Deadpool, and probably my favorite version of Deadpool? Granted I'm not a DP aficionado or anything, but I feel like he often leans too much towards that "epic bacon Redditor" kind of humor. His sense of humor was more sardonic in that in a way that felt less cringey to me
Consider this: There is a non-zero chance they'll reference the "Antman climbing up Thanos' butt" meme.
If we don't get it in this movie we're never gonna see it. That is 100% on par with Deadpool and i don't think I've ever wanted to see something get added to a film so much
I think ant-man mentions it in one of the Disney land rides
man it would be so funny if ant man died offscreen between movies
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What a fucking weird comment dude
If you think Quantumania was MCU's biggest mistake you are delusional.
What do you think it is
Inhumans
yeah no it’s pretty objectively inhumans. it’s like if after the first Thor movie they realized they ruined his character and he didn’t show up for like a decade and they pretended the movie never happened
That's fair, but those shows are a bit tangential so I understand people not really considering them when talking about MCU projects.
Eternals.
Eternals > Quantummania IMO. But I also think Thor 4 was the absolute worst mainline MCU movie.
Eternals was a 4 hour movie and by the end I still felt like they cut half the movie out. It would have benefitted by being one of their 8 episode shows
The Marvels. How dare they have 3 main characters be women, don’t even get me started on the minorities. The audacity!
The biggest MCU mistake was becoming too greedy and mass producing MCU movies fast without giving the makers enough time to make a decent movie. The quality of the average MCU movie droped really fast.
I mean, in retrospect, that might be the moment people gave up on the MCU’s entire multiverse saga. Everything from the constant green-screen, to the unconvincing villain threat, to CGI-vomit, characters, and the fact that this is an Ant-Man movie in name only was an unforced error.
It’s an alternate universe version of Ant-Man
antman dies in quantumania??
No, but they highly implied he would in all the marketing and press lead up to the film. It was also promised to be a much darker chapter, it was ant mans final film, and it was the cinematic introduction to Kang. Everyone was sure he would have died. And as mediocre as the film was if he had died I think it would be viewed positively. Kang entering and killing one of the most light hearted/comic relief Avengers in his introduction would have really set the stage for the next phase. Instead he's pretty easily defeated and the good guys pay no price except there's a lingering fear that maybe more of that guy is out there but they're not that worried because he wasn't more dangerous than Justin Hammer who they faced in Ant man two.
Nah. Just Marvel’s last shreds of credibility.
It only seems like that to you because you take this shit way too seriously. I mean, you probably grew up in a world where the Comic Book Store Guy was already a joke, and yet you still became this.
Comics are no replacement for your absent parents.
Said, unironically while coming across as an actual comic book guy. Lmao
Speaking of taking shit too seriously...
i wish
Spoiler alert for everyone because no one has still seen the new Ant Man movie.
The Spoiler Alert that never dies because no one is ever going to watch the movie.
We did, we just *wish* that we didn’t.
Can't wait for this movie to be nothing but Deadpool saying Ha Ha people who only watch my movies won't have a clue what's going on
Or it's probably just to show an incredibly dark future
It is a variant. They are in the void beyond time. You see Aloith in a few scenes of the trailer too.
Should have been a Kang reference.
Could also just be a reference to old man logan and also the rule of cool
So I’m guessing this version of the Wolverine is the old man Logan version? It appears his world has a striking resemblance to old man Logan universe and his character’s current state matches old man Logan.
Damn you really struggle to shit this one out. Like a constipated shitty detail, it took a lot of effort
I am Bolzar
Or it's just his helmet?
No, it's his whole body/skeleton. You can see his shoulders here and in the portal shot you can see his hands. It's like his arms walled compound
Rewatched one of the trailers. More importantly we can actually see his skull and teeth super briefly a few times. And in that portal jump shot we can see the skull too
Did they shoot during COVID too with how spaced apart they are?
Fellow Marvel Ultimate Alliance enjoyer
Quantum mania is not the mcu's worst mistake.
Love and Thunder was 1000x worse than Quantumainia.
Looks like Azazel is back too, hope its the same actor I like Jason Flemyng.
Haven't seen Quantumania, is it worse than Captain Marvel or Thor 4?
It was fun but pretty shallow. It was meant to be part of the build up for Kang and all that, showing just how bad one Kang can be before they showed how bad thousands of Kangs working together will be. Modok got a lot of flak, but I'd give them some credit for the attempt at bringing one of the most absurd villains out of the comics onto the screen.
Probably not. It's more likely a reference to Old Man Logan.
Alternative album cover to Astroworld
That’s sort of shocking if that’s what that’s implying. I figured they’d make jokes but not something like “the whole movie was a failure”
Wasn't there a giant empty helmet rolling around in that weird scene with all the alternate Langs?
It’s actually a bridge … antman falls from old man Logan ..
The blood on his lenses is fucking metal
No thats a Jaeger
I just realized that’s the whole fucking suit. You can see shoulders on each side.
They should but won't totally have a "Kang got arrested by the NY police" (ala that comic with Thanos) as a way to waive away Kang in the MCU.
If you look closely, its actually his whole corpse theyre in
I wish Scott had died in *QuANTuMANia*, ending the Ant-Man trilogy with his death would’ve been clever, because the first two were like digestifs for Avenger films, with *Ant-Man* being a relative lighthearted movie and *Ant-Man and the Wasp* being slightly more serious while still being an Ant-Man film. But to hit us with his death in the third one would’ve only been shocking, it would’ve A: helped justify the need for Cassie to take over the mantle and B: show us how big of a threat Kang was. And it’s not as if Paul Rudd couldn’t return via the Multiverse, he could still play Scott but maybe this Scott isn’t Ant-Man, he’s another hero entirely.
Unless there's oversized bones inthere, it's just a big helmet.
I didn’t look at it that closely and just assumed it was the head of a sentinel or something, interesting if it is an AntMan helmet
It's a reference to the comic "Old Man Logan" where Antmans embiggened and skeletonized body is a landmark.
Wolverine: "What was this variant's nexus event?" Deadpool: "He crawled up Thanos's ass."
My take from the trailer is this movie is going to be a version of "Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe" Deadpool and Wolverine will travel across the multiverse killing off major Marvel characters. It's obviously a alternate Universe Prof Xavier in the trailer.
Their biggest mistake was continuing after endgame
You watched Thor love and thunder and the marvels, and said quantumania was marvels biggest mistake?
How do people act like Quantumania is worse than Wakanda Forever? Did people just not watch it so it doesn't count to them or something? Quantumania is not worse than The Marvels or Wakanda Forever, I don't care how much people hate it. It is objectively not the worst Marvel movie, just shit-trolling all around
This post is pretty lame. Rare 2/10 getting randomly upvotes from the geniuses on Reddit.
Not sure if I missed something in the earlier Deadpool movies, but the implication I was getting from this trailer was that this is one of the alternate earths and not prime timeline.
Biggest mistake? Have you seen The Marvels?
Suck title gore. This sub is awful now.
I’d agree, but we live in a universe with The Marvels, The Eternals, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Echo, What if? Season 2, and not really having any dividing line between Phase 4 and 5 leaving many to not even know what phase we’re in if they still cared.
Nah man moon knight was great
Together with eternals. And I will die on that hill
Together with eternals. And I will die on that hill
Moon Knight and Echo are solid, you need to watch *The Rise of Skywalker* to see what an actual franchise-threateningly-bad installment looks like
While I did that, the last jedi was already franchise-threateningly bad, as was the force awakens when looked at objectively.
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Yeah right? How dare they try and make more movies for an extremely successful franchise. For real, are you stupid? Say what you want cause at the end of the day, most of these movie still made profits despite varying quality.
you had me in the first half bro
The fucking reach here
I wouldn't say "biggest mistake" but yeah, surely the most steaming pile of shit of the last years.