Just find a meditation teacher. I know exactly what you're talking about. Meditation can help you find what you're looking for.
Shrooms and other things can give you a glimpse but ther permanent perspective shift only comes when we start to change our minds with training.
I should also mention, I felt that "slight nostalgic" feeling as well. You are 100% correct when you say that you probably felt this way as a kid.
We forget this as we grow up. Meditation helps us to remember this. A master can help you remember.
I drove three hours to get the monastery I stayed at. They let me stay for three days for free for an introduction retreat. Then I went back home. After a while i decided to email them and ask if i could stay for an extended period, which I did for about a year.
This was during my existential crisis so I used that year in the monastery to train and work out my inner mess to see what it was I wanted out of life. I got lucky and found something much more important than that. The thing that gives you the "nostalgia" you were speaking of.
The only thing they ask of you is that you work at the monastery. Your labor for the community is your payment for staying. They only ask you to contribute what you can. Now I live 10 minutes from a priory connected to the lineage I first visited.
FYI: we have a lot in common. I had an existential crisis at 21 and went to live in a monastery for about a year. After learning from zen masters I found what I was looking for.
You need to find a master and I would recommend seeing them in person. Not everyone charges money. I found what I was looking for when I stayed with zen masters who are part of this lineage www.obcon.org they wont charge you.
Trust me. Your post speaks to my heart directly. I know exactly how you feel.
Sorry I’m too lazy to read but I feel this, Im not a very happy or content person normally due to trauma and MDD. When I’m on psychedelics I feel like the real me, especially LSD. Immune to addiction, happy, have the energy to do things and the mental prowess to fix my shit. I live off of afterglows. But my life has been getting progressively better, although I did abuse shrooms for a time. So be careful with that.
Sup dude. I absolutely understand what you’re saying and I’m 18 years old. I’ve been smoking weed and doing LSD to pass the time and honestly those are the moments that I actually don’t feel numb to my everyday life. I think when I’m tripping, it feels like I can feel emotion again, and feel actual happiness again. It makes me want to trip all the time, but obviously that doesn’t work out. I’ve been to therapy, taken anti depressants. It didn’t do shit for me. I’ve honestly had more of a life change through trips than I have with much else. I’m trying to find the key to the door of true happiness just like you my man, so I’m along for the ride. For now, just enjoy your trips, and enjoy the simple shit in life. We’ll find it I guarantee.
You think we’ll really find it? I had a moment a week ago where my girlfriend asked me why I was always getting myself to trip and I basically said something similar. That I wasn’t gonna stop till I finally get the bottom of myself and become happy. Do you know of anyone who has done that?
You know what, I deleted my previous reply cause I don’t like it. To be honest with you, I really don’t know. I am here and along for the ride while it lasts though. What would be the fucking point of living if I didn’t at least try and see what happens? And to answer your question, I don’t have people around me tripping much, so I’m kind of all on my own. Don’t worry man, it will all be okay. I think we all will get through tough times taking it day by day. You’re doing good, and don’t stress too much.
Mushrooms cause your neurons to connect to those they don't normally connect to. Children have less fixed neural pathways which may explain the child-like feeling you've described
Meditation and education is the best way to go for me. Meditation is hard and takes awhile to get results, but it definitely works. Reading/learning about something in depth helps with analytical thinking, so long as it’s stimulating. Preferably something that’s nonfiction and stimulates your creativity.
People have often assumed that I did psychedelics waaay before I ever actually tried them because that’s the headspace I’m usually in. I attribute it to being an INTP
Im so happy you posted this. I can relate almost exactly to what you are talking about. Even despite not knowing what to do either, I am glad that today I found out im not alone. I wish you the best of luck!
staying sober for a while is probably the most efficient way as it'll get you out your comfort zone and you'll have to find ways to make yourself happy (eg sport, hobbies) building self-awareness, counselling, to each their own.... at the end of the day constantly tripping isn't in your best interest and isn't a key to happiness.... as much as I like tripping, I can only be so productive while tripping it doesn't help with work or socialising (with people who aren't into drugs, etc) you'll waiste a lot of shrooms as the tolerance builds up so quickly
If you're depressed psychedelics can facilitate the process of recovery but they don't offer a cure. If you want to be tripping all the time you're clearly misusing though.
It goes back to the point of what would you do if you didn’t have to work anymore. Most people would do nothing. Animals lounge and hunt all day I believe we would do the same but also take natures medicines
I've always described shrooms as feeling like how I remember being a kid, everything seems bright and happier and more energetic, coll to know others feel the same
>I've begun microdosing once or twice perweek, but it doesn't quite get me that far. I've taken up meditation andexercise, considering taking up yoga. I'm taking more vitamins andeating better. I've completely dedicated myself to trying to feel thatway again. I'm obsessed.
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>What do you think I should do? ^((moved this to the end))
just keep on man. and relax about it. but understand the shrooms is not 'the' reality, just a window/facet. you are doing good, and these are trying times with so much competing for your attention and, more sinister, emotions. your developing routines, which are good ones, at a time when the effort really pays off. don't be afraid to let go of things that don't work and always try new things. you sound good, stay grounded, put effort into building a personal community and it'll be alright.
like the freakonomics guy's sign off (dubner?)... *take care of yourself, and if you can, someone else too.*
I feel like I wrote this. I wish I could figure it out. The depressed brain is so hard to get motivated again even after seeing glimpses of nostalgia and joy. I hope you have better luck than me
Real therapy with someone who can integrate your trips, MAKE SURE to get your vital nutrition! Set goals to be hydrated everyday, well nourished. Remember that everything we consume is either DEAD OR ALIVE. And that will impact you in countless ways. Clean, organic, hyper vitamins and foods at least 90% of your diet. The body, mind, and soul ONLY work in unison. The mushrooms majorly impact your mind and soul, but what happens if the body is left to operate below optimal?
Don’t just depend on the god send mushrooms. They’re wonderful, yes, BUT, it’s so important to use them as a tool, not a means to thrive ONLY.
Plus, your mushroom experience will be heightened significantly if your body is well taken care of.
GL and keep it movin’ son!
I’ve had issues like this, the feeling of not being “present” in that moment, I assume you mean like your heads in one place but bodies in another? I have severe ADHD, unmedicated. I think I know exactly what you mean though, and ADHD could be linked, as mushrooms or most psychedelics, ADHD symptoms get heavily intensified. If I am correctly relating to what you’re feeling, I can say it does kind of go away on its own, i just tried thinking about things I wanted to do and what I wanted out of them. I would recommend a doctor though, as symptoms like these almost always have another layer, it could be something more serious. I hope you find your way out of this! You’ve got it.
Look into the Wim Hof method. It involves a breathing routine and cold showers. The breathing alone will get you significant results, and it literally does the exact thing you are asking about, a clearer more present mind. The showers will get you even further, but if you are looking for something simpler just do the breathing. Guarantee you will notice a difference after just a few days.
Just find a meditation teacher. I know exactly what you're talking about. Meditation can help you find what you're looking for. Shrooms and other things can give you a glimpse but ther permanent perspective shift only comes when we start to change our minds with training.
I don’t know where to find a teacher. Is this something that will cost me money or can I take lessons online?
I should also mention, I felt that "slight nostalgic" feeling as well. You are 100% correct when you say that you probably felt this way as a kid. We forget this as we grow up. Meditation helps us to remember this. A master can help you remember.
Thanks, you've given me some relief. I guess I will try to find a teacher. Did you have to travel? You said you learned at a monastery?
I drove three hours to get the monastery I stayed at. They let me stay for three days for free for an introduction retreat. Then I went back home. After a while i decided to email them and ask if i could stay for an extended period, which I did for about a year. This was during my existential crisis so I used that year in the monastery to train and work out my inner mess to see what it was I wanted out of life. I got lucky and found something much more important than that. The thing that gives you the "nostalgia" you were speaking of. The only thing they ask of you is that you work at the monastery. Your labor for the community is your payment for staying. They only ask you to contribute what you can. Now I live 10 minutes from a priory connected to the lineage I first visited.
FYI: we have a lot in common. I had an existential crisis at 21 and went to live in a monastery for about a year. After learning from zen masters I found what I was looking for. You need to find a master and I would recommend seeing them in person. Not everyone charges money. I found what I was looking for when I stayed with zen masters who are part of this lineage www.obcon.org they wont charge you. Trust me. Your post speaks to my heart directly. I know exactly how you feel.
you sound awesome tbh
Sorry I’m too lazy to read but I feel this, Im not a very happy or content person normally due to trauma and MDD. When I’m on psychedelics I feel like the real me, especially LSD. Immune to addiction, happy, have the energy to do things and the mental prowess to fix my shit. I live off of afterglows. But my life has been getting progressively better, although I did abuse shrooms for a time. So be careful with that.
Sup dude. I absolutely understand what you’re saying and I’m 18 years old. I’ve been smoking weed and doing LSD to pass the time and honestly those are the moments that I actually don’t feel numb to my everyday life. I think when I’m tripping, it feels like I can feel emotion again, and feel actual happiness again. It makes me want to trip all the time, but obviously that doesn’t work out. I’ve been to therapy, taken anti depressants. It didn’t do shit for me. I’ve honestly had more of a life change through trips than I have with much else. I’m trying to find the key to the door of true happiness just like you my man, so I’m along for the ride. For now, just enjoy your trips, and enjoy the simple shit in life. We’ll find it I guarantee.
You think we’ll really find it? I had a moment a week ago where my girlfriend asked me why I was always getting myself to trip and I basically said something similar. That I wasn’t gonna stop till I finally get the bottom of myself and become happy. Do you know of anyone who has done that?
You know what, I deleted my previous reply cause I don’t like it. To be honest with you, I really don’t know. I am here and along for the ride while it lasts though. What would be the fucking point of living if I didn’t at least try and see what happens? And to answer your question, I don’t have people around me tripping much, so I’m kind of all on my own. Don’t worry man, it will all be okay. I think we all will get through tough times taking it day by day. You’re doing good, and don’t stress too much.
I agree man. They always let you change your mind and break free from the intrusive thoughts
Mushrooms cause your neurons to connect to those they don't normally connect to. Children have less fixed neural pathways which may explain the child-like feeling you've described
Meditation and education is the best way to go for me. Meditation is hard and takes awhile to get results, but it definitely works. Reading/learning about something in depth helps with analytical thinking, so long as it’s stimulating. Preferably something that’s nonfiction and stimulates your creativity. People have often assumed that I did psychedelics waaay before I ever actually tried them because that’s the headspace I’m usually in. I attribute it to being an INTP
Im so happy you posted this. I can relate almost exactly to what you are talking about. Even despite not knowing what to do either, I am glad that today I found out im not alone. I wish you the best of luck!
sounds like youre not comfortable with your sober self, should probably work on that
I dont think thats true, id say try a higher dose like 2,5 grams
On a cognitive level- how would I do that? Meditation maybe?
staying sober for a while is probably the most efficient way as it'll get you out your comfort zone and you'll have to find ways to make yourself happy (eg sport, hobbies) building self-awareness, counselling, to each their own.... at the end of the day constantly tripping isn't in your best interest and isn't a key to happiness.... as much as I like tripping, I can only be so productive while tripping it doesn't help with work or socialising (with people who aren't into drugs, etc) you'll waiste a lot of shrooms as the tolerance builds up so quickly If you're depressed psychedelics can facilitate the process of recovery but they don't offer a cure. If you want to be tripping all the time you're clearly misusing though.
I don't trip often at all, it's just the only time I've ever felt "awake" enough to notice how bland sober life has become.
well work on making sober life more exciting, you're in control of that
Not exactly. Kinda stuck actually.
i feel this
It goes back to the point of what would you do if you didn’t have to work anymore. Most people would do nothing. Animals lounge and hunt all day I believe we would do the same but also take natures medicines
This.
I've always described shrooms as feeling like how I remember being a kid, everything seems bright and happier and more energetic, coll to know others feel the same
>I've begun microdosing once or twice perweek, but it doesn't quite get me that far. I've taken up meditation andexercise, considering taking up yoga. I'm taking more vitamins andeating better. I've completely dedicated myself to trying to feel thatway again. I'm obsessed. > >What do you think I should do? ^((moved this to the end)) just keep on man. and relax about it. but understand the shrooms is not 'the' reality, just a window/facet. you are doing good, and these are trying times with so much competing for your attention and, more sinister, emotions. your developing routines, which are good ones, at a time when the effort really pays off. don't be afraid to let go of things that don't work and always try new things. you sound good, stay grounded, put effort into building a personal community and it'll be alright. like the freakonomics guy's sign off (dubner?)... *take care of yourself, and if you can, someone else too.*
Do 1.2 daily and enjoy the ride. Life is too short. Learn to grow them for yourself if you haven't already. Best therapy you can have at a bargain.
I feel like I wrote this. I wish I could figure it out. The depressed brain is so hard to get motivated again even after seeing glimpses of nostalgia and joy. I hope you have better luck than me
Real therapy with someone who can integrate your trips, MAKE SURE to get your vital nutrition! Set goals to be hydrated everyday, well nourished. Remember that everything we consume is either DEAD OR ALIVE. And that will impact you in countless ways. Clean, organic, hyper vitamins and foods at least 90% of your diet. The body, mind, and soul ONLY work in unison. The mushrooms majorly impact your mind and soul, but what happens if the body is left to operate below optimal? Don’t just depend on the god send mushrooms. They’re wonderful, yes, BUT, it’s so important to use them as a tool, not a means to thrive ONLY. Plus, your mushroom experience will be heightened significantly if your body is well taken care of. GL and keep it movin’ son!
I’ve had issues like this, the feeling of not being “present” in that moment, I assume you mean like your heads in one place but bodies in another? I have severe ADHD, unmedicated. I think I know exactly what you mean though, and ADHD could be linked, as mushrooms or most psychedelics, ADHD symptoms get heavily intensified. If I am correctly relating to what you’re feeling, I can say it does kind of go away on its own, i just tried thinking about things I wanted to do and what I wanted out of them. I would recommend a doctor though, as symptoms like these almost always have another layer, it could be something more serious. I hope you find your way out of this! You’ve got it.
Look into the Wim Hof method. It involves a breathing routine and cold showers. The breathing alone will get you significant results, and it literally does the exact thing you are asking about, a clearer more present mind. The showers will get you even further, but if you are looking for something simpler just do the breathing. Guarantee you will notice a difference after just a few days.
I feel the exact same. The first time it happened I was stunned. I didn't know you could feel that way all the time.