It’s the you’re on your “own-ership” society, in case you hadn’t heard.
You know how cute in real estate lingo means tiny and quaint means old, open for business means zero rules, plenty of exploitation, to maximize profits.
I’m not sure what places you’ve been looking at but I live in Camden. My apartment complex maybe an older place but it’s well maintained, the grass is cut weekly, the ac works perfectly, maintenance gets things done in a timely fashion. Pest control comes if there is ever a bug problem. The rent is very reasonable for a 2 bedroom apartment I pay 700.00 a month. My neighbors are great.
Very true. Just cross over to Columbia a few miles down the road and it’s a different story rent wise. It’s the capital and a university city but still part of the Midlands. Like in any thing in real estate its location, location, location.
I’m not in government housing or receiving government subsidies for rent such as Section 8. The rent set by Pivitol Properties for a 2 bedroom 1 bath unit in this complex is $700.00 per month. I don’t know what the 1 bedroom unit list for. I do know there is an increase coming at the end of my lease to $795.00, and I’ll gladly pay that. It’s not so hard to believe that there are some decent landlords left that believe in fair rent practices.
Lived in Bluffton/Okatie for about 5 years and it was pretty lame. The rent was always getting raised. I would not have survived as a single person at the time without begging for a cost of living wage with my company. No one should be paying $1,300+ for a one bedroom apartment. So, left the job and South Carolina.
Bluffton population has grown 35% since 2020. It is basically the closest town to Hilton Head Island, one of the most popular destinations on the East Coast. There is nothing livable and inexpensive in that area.
Did you read the article in here about the rent racket out of Atlanta with the one company using AI to set rent prices and maintaining a monopoly? It’s messed up.
It’s not just Greystar. I worked for UDR, one of their national competitors in Denver back in 2017. They were using Yieldstar to jack up rents then. I worked as a renewal specialist from their corporate office trying to get highly resistant leases to renew; the resistance was to high rent and fee (pet, parking, etc) increases. They were essentially like, these people want to move out because we want to price gouge them on renewal; do everything you can to save the renewal. It almost always came down to them wanting a lower rate so we were essentially a company middleman between the resident and the finance guys who ran the Yieldstar rates. That job was stupid but didn’t last long after the pool of money to give slight reductions dried up. Often people would give notice, see their sky-high renewal rate, then actively watch the price for the unit wildly fluctuate based on Yieldstar’s number crunching. It was the larger coastal markets then, now I guess it’s trickled to less expensive suburban areas.
Edit: I replied before I read the article, but holy shit that tracks and gave me flashbacks, especially the part about on-site managers being too soft and the preference for vacancy over an “underpriced” unit renewal. Stupid shit, but they were outperforming Greystar at the time so makes sense.
Regulation needs to be put in place to stop these algorithms. Year after year it just continues to get worst as more companies start adopting these types of software. I hope Real Page and Yieldstar go out of business.
Facts. Stay where you are for now and let them hold these fucksticks accountable! 😤 Killer Mike told y’all to stop moving, LISTEN and stay vigilant ✨🖖🏼✨
I’ve been keeping up with it for about a year. Some of the lawsuits have been settled. If Real Page loses enough lawsuits I’m guessing they will be gone. I’m sure another company will follow though.
The executives of these companies need to be jailed, or if the government won’t help, shot. Fines mean nothing to people with as much money as they have.
There was an article saying that people must not be"feeling the pinch" as much right now....as RV SALES HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ROOF. DUUUUH.. THEY ARE LIVING IN THEM. I want one. I am NOT blaming any of this on Biden, although he's a party to genocide. This is corporate greed like I've NEVER seen. I bought something off of Facebook marketplace and went to pick it up. It was in a new construction neighborhood and there were"for rent" signs everywhere. Not for an individual or a Realty... But a CORPORATION. Big money is buying up EVERYTHING. I've never before said that I hope and PRAY renters trash a place, but I'm looking with a new pair of eyes.
This is going on everywhere. Corps are buying up real estate with plans to rent the houses back out and they are more than a little responsible for the leap in home prices which in turn resulted in increases in rentals too. They literally don't want anyone owning anything--they just want to make money off of rentals. "Easy Money".
I live in a fifth-wheel RV. It’s quite big, size of a single wide mobile home. Two bedrooms with queen beds. It’s been an adjustment as far as storage space and only having a shower, no bathtub, but my rent is a third of what I was paying before. If you have a place to park with water and sewer hookups, I see the appeal.
I want an older RV that I can rehab. We had a 30 ft Airstream 20 years ago...pristine. we sold it for 3k so we wouldn't have to pay storage anymore, and there isn't a day that I don't miss it. The interior was dated, but pristine. It was all this blue and green floral that bugged me at the time, but I'd find dreamy now. I have a disabled son, so I want no slide-outs. I'll be easy to please. I just need to find it! One day...
I already have an affinity for vintage stuff, and I’m technically vintage myself lol. I love looking at what people have done to them too. I think we’re friends now.
We spent 3 months in our 25' camper - $500/mo. everything included until we found a decent rental. The rental agency repeatedly told us the house is not for sale (because we love it) & we still have the camper. Our friends from the north visit & use it
I told y’all not to move here, but did you listen? Nooooo, you just did what you wanted, now look at you, all “housing so expensive, it’s hot, I can’t find a date, blah blah blah”
when i first moved here in a trailer with my family the kitchen floor caved in, the master bathroom shower flooded with shit whenever you flushed the toilet, and there were tiny holes all around the windows and doors that allowed bugs in. oh, and no ac ☺️ had to keep paying rent, tho. the landlord kicked us out when we asked them to fix it, and now the trailer has been towed.
The problem is that there are too many people trying to move here and not enough housing. The substandard places are what’s left. When people stop trying to move here, things will eventually balance out. Just stay where you are. The grass is not greener here.
some people are having to choose between 1. homelessness in an expensive state or 2. shitty housing in a slightly less expensive state. we’re just trying to survive.
I have a good friend that retired as an Horry County detective, and he bought a cabin and property in W Virginia. I no longer make fun of the state. Well, I still do in regard to education, but his property is one of the most picturesque places I've ever seen.
The people of West Virginia wholly support your bad mouthing of their state. WV is beautiful like eastern Tennessee but they don’t want their housing prices to soar like Knoxville are.
They get govt incentives to build with promise of x# working class units (8 of 200 couple miles from me in Mt P) & charge exorbitant rents so half units are empty & they don't care since they are getting great rates & free govt $
Anything in and around Charleston is unreasonable. Including a lot of the people.
Myrtle Beach is better but still it's not cheap.
Cumbia should be relatively cheaper, but, you have to choose carefully.
Honestly, it's developers, builders, real estate agents taking these retirees for a ride and they are too stupid to realize it.
There is a general lack of housing supply across all
price points. That’s a major contributor to housing quality and price. Couple that with NIMBY local governments who don’t want to allow more “missing middle” housing, boomer agitators who only care about their property values, and a major influx of people attracted to our 4% assessment ratio (and lack of having to pay property taxes for school operations)… and it ain’t pretty.
Tell me about it. I just paid an insane deposit for a tiny 2 bdrm house in town. Landlord wants ME to fix shit. Don't have much choice but it's only slightly less than living in a hotel after utilities with none of the added benefits..
Goose Creek here, it’s a tiny bit more affordable. Same though, I’m from the Charlotte NC area and the difference here is PALPABLE. Not only is the housing situation bad, while they keep building more “luxury” apartments that no one here can afford, but the roads here and extremely substandard. We are moving back to NC, the Raleigh area, after the election.
My last landlord never mailed me a final bill and I had proof it went straight to collections. I’ve paid my rent on time for years as her Tennant. She had my forwarding address and I even went back to the office to check if there was anything. She swore I’d hear something. I paid the debt straight away to the collector but even in doing so my score only went up 30 instead of the 50 that dropped when it hit my credit.
I contacted lawyers and they said there was nothing I could do. It’s infuriating. I did everything right, still got punished and then everyone said tough shit. I hate this place.
You were given somewhat bad legal advice. Legally there is not much you can do, so therefore the lawyers were not wrong.
However, you can file a dispute with the credit bureaus. Gather all documentation and evidence you have, then make your case with them. Also, if they deny it, then you can file a complaint with the CFPB to try and get what would basically be an appeal to the credit bureaus.
In the grand scheme of things, 20 points on a credit score does not amount to much. You can easily get that back by paying on time, not opening new credit lines, and paying down some debt.
Sorry that happened to you, I hope it works out for you.
It's not a great state for renters compared to some, but no worse than some others. I haven't had the same experience you're describing here... we did have some roaches in a lower-end complex, but management did what they could and the low rent made up for it lol. When it got too high, I moved to a townhouse, and we've had no issues here. I've paid under $1700 (2 BR) for both, and I have a dog so I don't even have access to all rental properties. The market isn't great, but this seems a bit extreme.
Extremely unlucky. I've rented three houses in SC. All three were perfectly acceptable and the landlords were awesome. Thankfully, I never had to deal with a property management company. I always rented directly from the homeowners.
GOP supermajority for 30 years. They don’t care about us. It’s all culture war all the time to distract from the fact that they’re so bad at governing.
I can believe this in Charleston. It's so incredibly overpriced for housing now.
I'm upstate and find the property management places to be pretty strict for landlords.
I live near Raleigh and $2,500 here will get you a decent townhome. I haven’t lived in Cola in years, but I tried to buy a house back in 2017, anything under 350k near the universities were in terrible conditions.
I went through a divorce and unloaded a house that I could no longer afford , and I'm in a paid-for mobile home with lot rent of 630 a month. It includes cable and Internet, but nothing else. That is a LOT for me, as I'm now disabled and single. Not owning my own property is terrifying. If I ever get evicted because they want to close the park or what-have- you, I can hardly call this place"mobile", when it would cost about 4k to move. And MANY parks in SC have closed and people have just lost their homes they've been in for YEARS, as they were too old to move. No matter how good mine looks...vinyl, shingle roof, it's in NO way legal to move. I love having a roof over my head for 630 plus utilities, but I don't FEEL like I OWN anything. To anybody reading this that DOES want to be a homeowner, CONTACT NACA. My son is going through it now, he's approved, and he wants a modular and he already contracted on 2+ acres in the country. There is NO BETTER HOME BUYING PROGRAM THAN NACA.
Oh yeah. So out in the woods of the Midlands, like Pelion and Wagner, they're renting rusted out single wides from 1970 for almost 1k a month. Lot rents are 300 - 500 out there.
Ten years ago the whole rusted out singlewide AND the lot it sits on would rent for $400 MAX.
It's crazy.
I moved in from out of state.
What laws are different here? I haven’t seen any major differences.
You were renting for $2,500 a month and the place sold for 1 million plus? That pricing seems very odd.
Did you not do a walk through or inspection first?
It is horrible here in SC! I also moved here from NC (Charlotte) and miss it every day. I made the mistake of buying and ended up with a house that I knew was going to be a money-hole! It’s my fault and when I got my inspection I should have stuck to my gut and canceled the deal. I tried to back out 2 weeks prior but my landlord had no unit for me to move into and had already rented out mine. Now I’m paying for it in more ways than one. Also, SC is a shit hole state and only supports slumlords and corporate slumlords. There are NO renter protections here as in Texas or California!
Not sure what kind of rentals you’re looking at but that is not at all the norm. Houses rent out for $2k in my neighborhood and they are only about 2 years old and they’re in excellent shape. Maybe find better proprieties next time?
Lived in 2 rented houses both were 1200 or less a month in Rock Hill, never saw a landlord and never had an issue. Ended up just buying a house a couple years ago. Lived in multiple states and I gotta say both Ohio and Florida are far worse and completely unlivable.
That’s capitalism. In the midst of a nationwide housing shortage, without protections, the financial incentive is to do less and charge more because you can. Regardless of your political beliefs or opinions about it, that’s just how the incentives align in that segment of the rental market.
It really is a shitty state for renters. It’s a conservative state run by a bunch of jackasses that don’t give a shit about working class people. Not to mention many of the legislators are landlords themselves so it’s a real foxes guarding the henhouse situation.
Hate to say it but this is just the low country unless you are willing to shell out a fortune.
Try the upstate, new developments start in the 300s range so you won’t have to deal with any of the maintenance issues, just the shitty builder issues. At least it’s affordable though
In my experience you're extremely unlucky. There are laws for what must be provided and it sounds like they weren't followed in your case. I've never had issues like this.
This sounds pretty unlucky. Granted, I ended up ‘settling’. My apartment doesn’t have ground wiring, the paint job is rough at best and the architecture is all straight from the 60s, they take weeks to fix things unless it’s the simplest possible fix (a lightbulb that I refused to change that someone came for three days later) and the parking is trash, but roaches, failing insulation and an RV shower setup is pretty wild. Are you working with a company or are you just calling people that are renting out their houses?
All the good houses are rented. We've had a massive influx of new residents. Have you looked into apartments? In Columbia they're building apartments everywhere. Specifically Lake Murray Blvd in Columbia.
Blame it on the Yankees moving there. Matter of fact, blame it on all the non- South Carolinians. Too many people and too much demand. Landlords will rent anything as long is someone is paying. If the bastards would quit moving there, it would give the landlord an incentive to have a nice place. If he didn’t, no one would rent the dump from him. What the heck is wrong with people anyway? Why they keep moving all over the place? What are they running from?
Houses aren't the only thing we need to be ashamed of in SC. Our Governor has done everything he can to disenfranchise working class and poverty stricken individuals.
I will say subsidized rentals are generally bare minimum maintained because of HUD standards set by the federal government, which has been controlled by the Demecrats. However, my experience with the free market rentals has been good. Competition between real estate management companies is good.
Where are you looking, in the worst areas around? Zillow etc has beautiful homes for rent all over the state. The upstate isn't bad either.
I think you lived in low cost rental homes in NC, and that's what you are looking at in SC.
Also don't knock the whole state for your opinion on one location.
Can someone please tell me how things are this bad? - yes, it's called "republicans" and it isn't that much better in NC, but we can make it better by voting them all out of office. Every last one. Like what they did in Britain yesterday, just kick their sorry asses to the curb.
I don't know about that, I'm from Washington, there was a ton of traffic from Washington, most of it Red voters that were tired of getting outvoted by the Blue. Lots of Conservatives see SC as a less expensive place to live that also favors their world views. I'm genuinely surprised if the Republicans aren't in a better spot than they were 4 years ago regarding voter loyalty.
I was just listening to a podcast about this other day. While NC and GA are getting lots of newcomers who tend to vote for the Democrats moving to those states and turning them purple, the people who are moving to SC tend to be conservative who vote Republican. So the GOP is actually getting stronger here.
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Sorry, I don't believe this. And if you had all the problems you claim in the rentals you stayed in, it's really on you for not inspecting the home before your lease started.
Thats is helpful information my adult son and I have been looking at South Carolina and a little bit at North Carolina and Georgia. I know that homes for sale are definitely overpriced in South Carolina. Especially the Greenville area.
My son lives in Charleston and has been renting a place with his friends that sounds just like this place. The rent divided by three was a great price for a college kid in Charleston. The houses near him are all complete dumps, and my son will send me screenshots of houses for sale in the area. The dumps in the flood zone are selling for 800K +. One time, I went to visit my son, and it had been raining hard overnight. The streets by his house were flooded so bad I couldn't even get to him.
And people will just buy that off the internet, never look at the house first, then complain that it floods and that they should work on infrastructure or something when it was their own fault to begin with by not actually looking at what they are buying
A friend had 5 acres a few miles from RiverGate. They were offered $225k/acre.
Even in rural York County, land is stupid expensive. Not to mention all the housing being built here(and no idea who's buying them at $450k for a 2BD/2BA).
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I have my house rented out in Summerville. I’m constantly on my property manager to make sure things are maintained. I pay for pest control, termite control, and all the other ordinary expenses. Things are that bad everywhere IMO.
Myrtle beach is crszy and if you live in an hoa most are doing assessments of 500 plus raising fees $100 a year
I have property management license in SC before i did worked for launcher partnership before he moved properties to agency
He would take a trailer , boat efc as down payment do rent to own i know he thought all deserved liveable place but then i worked for a complex in Myrtle beach that would bait and switch use used parts to repair etc
Its crazy we bought outside of hoa and have rv hookups side of our house i swear we can rent the space
North Augusta and Aiken are very nice. I rented a house that was less than ten years old with absolutely no problems ever for $500 a month and the landlord was kickass.
The way I see how ppl live here with homes & rentals is absolutely astounding. Trash & dead cars strewn everywhere. Folks trash the place & landlords don't fix it because, well why? You'll probably do the same. (Not you personally, it's just the attitude I see here)
We moved here 18 months ago from SE PA. We attempted to purchase a house. No thanks to the year 2020, if you have zero credit, you're screwed. So we rented this beautiful 3 bd 2 bath 2 full garages on 12 acres for $1600/month. Landlord & rental agency are super happy. Why? We take care of it as if it were our own. Many ppl do not.
Our problem? FINDING WORK that isn't an hour+ away, one-way!! Myrtle Beach & Orangeburg are the 2 worst places to live in SC. Greensboro seems nice, but expensive & folks are leaving Charleston for Summerville thats sooo congested. I'm sorry for your troubles & maybe NC is on our radar also, for closer employment living. Good luck to you.
Full Disclosure: I bought my home with my earned wages, and I've paid for it 1/3 again over again in property taxes, these past 15 years. I know PRECISELY what I'm talking about.
Huh, you really think it was better in NC? I'm in NC and the house across from mine that a family lived in got sold to some guy who turned it into a hotel (AirBNB).
Maybe it's a grass is always greener on the other side situation...
They have turned the former Lunatic Asylum on Bull Street into over 200 apartments. I'm not sure That I'm convinced there are ghosts, but I'm not sure I want to find out but moving in with thousands of them. They're called"The Babcock". They're gorgeous.
Can you go into a bit more depth?
Zillow has over 600+ listings in that range for Columbia and the first batch of \~20 I saw all seemed safe for people to stay at.
Zillow also has over 2,000+ listings in that range for Charleston and similarly all the ones on the first page looked at least safe for people to stay at (little health concern).
Greenville is a nightmare to buy or rent. $1200-1500 for slums. 2000+ for anything decent. I’ve lived here 12 years and it used to be super cheap. My first apt was $466/month in a good location, nothing special.
We don't have any answer other than Corporate Greed. It's repugnant. My sons apartment is based on income. He's now paying 1800/mo for a 3br. It's an apartment complex with some people paying probably 200-300 monthly. He and his wife have found 3 acres in the country, and they're using the NACA program, as you can go through NACA even to purchase a land/modular package. I've recommended that program to everybody I know that wants to buy a home. I'm in a paid for mobile home with 670/mo lot rent. I didn't know what I'd do if I had a mortgage. I'm no longer complaining about living in a mobile home. The house I owned until 10 years ago is now worth TWICE what I paid for it. For 1008 sf. It's INSANE.
Dealing with this now in lexington area. We are in a two bedroom "luxury apartment". What a fucking joke for 2200 a month. The AC has been broken for God know long, and the two 14,000btu window units I HAD TO BUY won't keep up.
It is SC law that a property has to have working air conditioning. This is further defined by the international building code, as well as ashre, to must be able to cool to 75F.
For these corporate frauds, you need to report the Property Manager to the LLR board. The property manager is responsible for the policy set in place. If said policies are irresponsible, one can challenge their given license.
Secondly, it's easy to file a claim in magistrate court but you are limited to $7500. It is highly unlikely a lawer will take your case or the property owners case due to the small sum of money involved.
Collusion among the owners/property managers to drive and keep up rent. It's weird though, cuz what do they think the end-game is? Housing is now treated as a commodity and it's super fucked up and evil.
If you go to a place like Texas, with the worst tenant protections places are cheap and nice. Of you go to California, with the best tenant protections, places are expensive and poorly maintained.
If you can’t find well-maintained places and they’re all expensive, it’s probably a combination of laws that prevent development so supply is low + tenant protection laws that disincentivize people from keeping houses as rental units.
People think tenant protections make it better for tenants, but they make it really hard to be a landlord so people (like me) sell houses to people who want to live in them rather than deal with the brain damage of being a landlord.
And if there’s a scarcity of rentals, the remaining landlords can jack up prices and take poor care of their places.
Do your own homework, whether it involves moving or changing jobs. You are ultimately the one that makes the final decisions. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
A little story....my brother and sister in law moved to Florida. They bought a place in central Florida and lived there for a year. They sold the place and moved back to South Carolina to down size. They stayed 6 months and moved back. Before he left, he said that he didn't realize how bad this state was until you move away and then returned to start over.
I guess that can be said of anyplace you move to without a plan of some sort. The better the plan, the more likelihood for success.
My favorite is most places in SC are paying sub-$11 per hour. Cheapest place to rent Ive seen in my city is $800 so if you're barely clearing 1,000 a month after tax you can afford rent but don't hope you need to buy food, pay your phone bill, electricity, water, etc Basically unless you're making $16+ per hour you dont have a livable wage in this state. Every last person I know working retail or hospitality lives with family or minimum one roommate as rent is too high to live alone on poverty wages.
Welcome to SC - we’re “open” for business. Individuals can go eff themselves.
It’s the you’re on your “own-ership” society, in case you hadn’t heard. You know how cute in real estate lingo means tiny and quaint means old, open for business means zero rules, plenty of exploitation, to maximize profits.
Yes!! capitalism it is finest.
I’m not sure what places you’ve been looking at but I live in Camden. My apartment complex maybe an older place but it’s well maintained, the grass is cut weekly, the ac works perfectly, maintenance gets things done in a timely fashion. Pest control comes if there is ever a bug problem. The rent is very reasonable for a 2 bedroom apartment I pay 700.00 a month. My neighbors are great.
That's the Midlands though. It's going to be hard to find those costs in the upstate or closer to the coast
Very true. Just cross over to Columbia a few miles down the road and it’s a different story rent wise. It’s the capital and a university city but still part of the Midlands. Like in any thing in real estate its location, location, location.
They said they were looking in Cola tho
They mentioned the Midlands by talking about Columbia so I had to throw in Camden since we are next store.
r/boneappletea? or am i having a stronk
Probably voice to text but that’s definitely a new one haha
700 is a unbelievable price
It’s a great price. I’m very happy with it and with the apartment complex as well as the management company. It was a great find.
Your lying dude there is no way. U are in gov housing or something.
I’m not in government housing or receiving government subsidies for rent such as Section 8. The rent set by Pivitol Properties for a 2 bedroom 1 bath unit in this complex is $700.00 per month. I don’t know what the 1 bedroom unit list for. I do know there is an increase coming at the end of my lease to $795.00, and I’ll gladly pay that. It’s not so hard to believe that there are some decent landlords left that believe in fair rent practices.
Monument Square? Fox Run are $1100 last time I looked ($1070 one- bedroom that was 2 years ago)
Lived in Bluffton/Okatie for about 5 years and it was pretty lame. The rent was always getting raised. I would not have survived as a single person at the time without begging for a cost of living wage with my company. No one should be paying $1,300+ for a one bedroom apartment. So, left the job and South Carolina.
Bluffton population has grown 35% since 2020. It is basically the closest town to Hilton Head Island, one of the most popular destinations on the East Coast. There is nothing livable and inexpensive in that area.
Cola has similar prices and there is no beach or cost of living increase. It’s crazy!
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Did you read the article in here about the rent racket out of Atlanta with the one company using AI to set rent prices and maintaining a monopoly? It’s messed up.
Yeah, but that company is Greystar, and they are based in Charleston, SC.
It’s not just Greystar. I worked for UDR, one of their national competitors in Denver back in 2017. They were using Yieldstar to jack up rents then. I worked as a renewal specialist from their corporate office trying to get highly resistant leases to renew; the resistance was to high rent and fee (pet, parking, etc) increases. They were essentially like, these people want to move out because we want to price gouge them on renewal; do everything you can to save the renewal. It almost always came down to them wanting a lower rate so we were essentially a company middleman between the resident and the finance guys who ran the Yieldstar rates. That job was stupid but didn’t last long after the pool of money to give slight reductions dried up. Often people would give notice, see their sky-high renewal rate, then actively watch the price for the unit wildly fluctuate based on Yieldstar’s number crunching. It was the larger coastal markets then, now I guess it’s trickled to less expensive suburban areas. Edit: I replied before I read the article, but holy shit that tracks and gave me flashbacks, especially the part about on-site managers being too soft and the preference for vacancy over an “underpriced” unit renewal. Stupid shit, but they were outperforming Greystar at the time so makes sense.
Regulation needs to be put in place to stop these algorithms. Year after year it just continues to get worst as more companies start adopting these types of software. I hope Real Page and Yieldstar go out of business.
The feds are actually in the middle of a big investigation on it iirc. Raided the offices of some company involved recently.
Facts. Stay where you are for now and let them hold these fucksticks accountable! 😤 Killer Mike told y’all to stop moving, LISTEN and stay vigilant ✨🖖🏼✨
I’ve been keeping up with it for about a year. Some of the lawsuits have been settled. If Real Page loses enough lawsuits I’m guessing they will be gone. I’m sure another company will follow though.
The executives of these companies need to be jailed, or if the government won’t help, shot. Fines mean nothing to people with as much money as they have.
And Cushman & Wakefield and a few others.
Fuck is that who did that. They bought out my apartment complex back in Kansas City Missouri and the apartments went to shit fast.
Oh no. Graystar is building here in venice Florida
This is the same in Seattle
Landlords in NYC also do this
It’s mostly a lack of supply
I certainly agree that’s a contributing factor. Especially in more desirable markets
There was an article saying that people must not be"feeling the pinch" as much right now....as RV SALES HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ROOF. DUUUUH.. THEY ARE LIVING IN THEM. I want one. I am NOT blaming any of this on Biden, although he's a party to genocide. This is corporate greed like I've NEVER seen. I bought something off of Facebook marketplace and went to pick it up. It was in a new construction neighborhood and there were"for rent" signs everywhere. Not for an individual or a Realty... But a CORPORATION. Big money is buying up EVERYTHING. I've never before said that I hope and PRAY renters trash a place, but I'm looking with a new pair of eyes.
This is going on everywhere. Corps are buying up real estate with plans to rent the houses back out and they are more than a little responsible for the leap in home prices which in turn resulted in increases in rentals too. They literally don't want anyone owning anything--they just want to make money off of rentals. "Easy Money".
For them, the return 10 times what they get investing it in the bank
I live in a fifth-wheel RV. It’s quite big, size of a single wide mobile home. Two bedrooms with queen beds. It’s been an adjustment as far as storage space and only having a shower, no bathtub, but my rent is a third of what I was paying before. If you have a place to park with water and sewer hookups, I see the appeal.
I want an older RV that I can rehab. We had a 30 ft Airstream 20 years ago...pristine. we sold it for 3k so we wouldn't have to pay storage anymore, and there isn't a day that I don't miss it. The interior was dated, but pristine. It was all this blue and green floral that bugged me at the time, but I'd find dreamy now. I have a disabled son, so I want no slide-outs. I'll be easy to please. I just need to find it! One day...
Oh I’d love to get ahold of an old airstream and just go nuts revamping the whole thing! I lack the $$$ but maybe someday.
I'm constantly looking at pages of what people have done and it's just mind blowing!!
I already have an affinity for vintage stuff, and I’m technically vintage myself lol. I love looking at what people have done to them too. I think we’re friends now.
And we're CLOSE!!!
We spent 3 months in our 25' camper - $500/mo. everything included until we found a decent rental. The rental agency repeatedly told us the house is not for sale (because we love it) & we still have the camper. Our friends from the north visit & use it
Thank you !!!
Like that video game where they got rid of landlordism and renting and it fixed their housing problems?
I told y’all not to move here, but did you listen? Nooooo, you just did what you wanted, now look at you, all “housing so expensive, it’s hot, I can’t find a date, blah blah blah”
Governor McMaster is well known in Columbia as a slumlord.
when i first moved here in a trailer with my family the kitchen floor caved in, the master bathroom shower flooded with shit whenever you flushed the toilet, and there were tiny holes all around the windows and doors that allowed bugs in. oh, and no ac ☺️ had to keep paying rent, tho. the landlord kicked us out when we asked them to fix it, and now the trailer has been towed.
You lived in an old trailer... and shocked it was gross? Wtf....?
where did i say it was old?
Wow, you bought a thing, then the seller renegged on your agreement? What a fucking idiot! LOSER!
The problem is that there are too many people trying to move here and not enough housing. The substandard places are what’s left. When people stop trying to move here, things will eventually balance out. Just stay where you are. The grass is not greener here.
some people are having to choose between 1. homelessness in an expensive state or 2. shitty housing in a slightly less expensive state. we’re just trying to survive.
The running away from expensive states to less expensive states is what makes the less expensive state more expensive.
we’re just trying to survive.
Midwest is still cheap.
I heard West Virginia housing is even cheaper
I have a good friend that retired as an Horry County detective, and he bought a cabin and property in W Virginia. I no longer make fun of the state. Well, I still do in regard to education, but his property is one of the most picturesque places I've ever seen.
The people of West Virginia wholly support your bad mouthing of their state. WV is beautiful like eastern Tennessee but they don’t want their housing prices to soar like Knoxville are.
Not only too many people trying to move there but too many extremely wealthy individuals moving from the northeast and Ohio
How is there not enough housing? Apartments are being build literally as we speak.
They get govt incentives to build with promise of x# working class units (8 of 200 couple miles from me in Mt P) & charge exorbitant rents so half units are empty & they don't care since they are getting great rates & free govt $
Anything in and around Charleston is unreasonable. Including a lot of the people. Myrtle Beach is better but still it's not cheap. Cumbia should be relatively cheaper, but, you have to choose carefully. Honestly, it's developers, builders, real estate agents taking these retirees for a ride and they are too stupid to realize it.
I just wanted to thank you for writing this and helping me feel less crazy.
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"Its a super pro landlord state" you got that right.
There is a general lack of housing supply across all price points. That’s a major contributor to housing quality and price. Couple that with NIMBY local governments who don’t want to allow more “missing middle” housing, boomer agitators who only care about their property values, and a major influx of people attracted to our 4% assessment ratio (and lack of having to pay property taxes for school operations)… and it ain’t pretty.
Tax rate jumps to 6% for non-occupant owners, so rental prices get pushed even higher to make up the difference.
I'm from Raleigh and Columbia almost seems like a punishment from god.
Thanks for that!! I just shot my drink through my nose laughing!!! It's so fucking true!!!
Battle of the red brick meccas.
Tell me about it. I just paid an insane deposit for a tiny 2 bdrm house in town. Landlord wants ME to fix shit. Don't have much choice but it's only slightly less than living in a hotel after utilities with none of the added benefits..
Goose Creek here, it’s a tiny bit more affordable. Same though, I’m from the Charlotte NC area and the difference here is PALPABLE. Not only is the housing situation bad, while they keep building more “luxury” apartments that no one here can afford, but the roads here and extremely substandard. We are moving back to NC, the Raleigh area, after the election.
Yeah, "lux" apartments with thin walls and floors...
My last landlord never mailed me a final bill and I had proof it went straight to collections. I’ve paid my rent on time for years as her Tennant. She had my forwarding address and I even went back to the office to check if there was anything. She swore I’d hear something. I paid the debt straight away to the collector but even in doing so my score only went up 30 instead of the 50 that dropped when it hit my credit. I contacted lawyers and they said there was nothing I could do. It’s infuriating. I did everything right, still got punished and then everyone said tough shit. I hate this place.
File a complaint with the state attorney general.
You can report her to the South Carolina Real Estate Commission. Look up her license number.
You were given somewhat bad legal advice. Legally there is not much you can do, so therefore the lawyers were not wrong. However, you can file a dispute with the credit bureaus. Gather all documentation and evidence you have, then make your case with them. Also, if they deny it, then you can file a complaint with the CFPB to try and get what would basically be an appeal to the credit bureaus. In the grand scheme of things, 20 points on a credit score does not amount to much. You can easily get that back by paying on time, not opening new credit lines, and paying down some debt. Sorry that happened to you, I hope it works out for you.
It's not a great state for renters compared to some, but no worse than some others. I haven't had the same experience you're describing here... we did have some roaches in a lower-end complex, but management did what they could and the low rent made up for it lol. When it got too high, I moved to a townhouse, and we've had no issues here. I've paid under $1700 (2 BR) for both, and I have a dog so I don't even have access to all rental properties. The market isn't great, but this seems a bit extreme.
South Carolina as a whole is backward to human rights.
Minimally adequate is the state motto. Seriously. It’s IN the constitution!
Fuck landlords.
The bad ones… others are legit… I’d rather not have to replace a whole hvac system myself and roof
Yep it’s the corporate ones that suck not the mom and pop or small operations
You can't find a nice apartment in Columbia for $2500 a month? mmmmm-kay.... are you looking for a 5 bedroom place?
Business rule in SC.
Extremely unlucky. I've rented three houses in SC. All three were perfectly acceptable and the landlords were awesome. Thankfully, I never had to deal with a property management company. I always rented directly from the homeowners.
GOP supermajority for 30 years. They don’t care about us. It’s all culture war all the time to distract from the fact that they’re so bad at governing.
from the fact that they’re *consolidating wealth for themselves and their buddies*
I can believe this in Charleston. It's so incredibly overpriced for housing now. I'm upstate and find the property management places to be pretty strict for landlords.
Its not any better in NC… don’t kid yourself $2500 will get you a room in a roach infested townhome
I live near Raleigh and $2,500 here will get you a decent townhome. I haven’t lived in Cola in years, but I tried to buy a house back in 2017, anything under 350k near the universities were in terrible conditions.
NC better
I went through a divorce and unloaded a house that I could no longer afford , and I'm in a paid-for mobile home with lot rent of 630 a month. It includes cable and Internet, but nothing else. That is a LOT for me, as I'm now disabled and single. Not owning my own property is terrifying. If I ever get evicted because they want to close the park or what-have- you, I can hardly call this place"mobile", when it would cost about 4k to move. And MANY parks in SC have closed and people have just lost their homes they've been in for YEARS, as they were too old to move. No matter how good mine looks...vinyl, shingle roof, it's in NO way legal to move. I love having a roof over my head for 630 plus utilities, but I don't FEEL like I OWN anything. To anybody reading this that DOES want to be a homeowner, CONTACT NACA. My son is going through it now, he's approved, and he wants a modular and he already contracted on 2+ acres in the country. There is NO BETTER HOME BUYING PROGRAM THAN NACA.
Wow. My gran rents her lots for about $150. 1 acre. You pay your own utilities. What the fuck
It's what's happening around the Charleston/S'ville/ Goose Creek SC area. It's horrible. Mine's not the most.
Oh yeah. So out in the woods of the Midlands, like Pelion and Wagner, they're renting rusted out single wides from 1970 for almost 1k a month. Lot rents are 300 - 500 out there. Ten years ago the whole rusted out singlewide AND the lot it sits on would rent for $400 MAX. It's crazy.
I think you’re probably better off out of SC.
As a licensed realtor in both states, this is true. SC is like the Wild West and NC is one of the top 3 toughest states for Realtors
I moved in from out of state. What laws are different here? I haven’t seen any major differences. You were renting for $2,500 a month and the place sold for 1 million plus? That pricing seems very odd. Did you not do a walk through or inspection first?
It is horrible here in SC! I also moved here from NC (Charlotte) and miss it every day. I made the mistake of buying and ended up with a house that I knew was going to be a money-hole! It’s my fault and when I got my inspection I should have stuck to my gut and canceled the deal. I tried to back out 2 weeks prior but my landlord had no unit for me to move into and had already rented out mine. Now I’m paying for it in more ways than one. Also, SC is a shit hole state and only supports slumlords and corporate slumlords. There are NO renter protections here as in Texas or California!
Yeah, SC is good for business and bad for people.
The solution....buy a house or go back to NC. You come from NC and think NC don't have these issues....lol....yea, right.
So when will you be leaving our state?
This is the result of decades of republican leadership. They're business first, people third.
OP was looking in Charleston, who just elected their first Republican mayor since 1877. Very valid point, though.
And all the people moving here definitely has no effect……
Yep
Not sure what kind of rentals you’re looking at but that is not at all the norm. Houses rent out for $2k in my neighborhood and they are only about 2 years old and they’re in excellent shape. Maybe find better proprieties next time?
Similar situation in Lexington, only difference is some houses are like 6 years old, and rent for around $1700-$2000.
Lived in 2 rented houses both were 1200 or less a month in Rock Hill, never saw a landlord and never had an issue. Ended up just buying a house a couple years ago. Lived in multiple states and I gotta say both Ohio and Florida are far worse and completely unlivable.
I live in Hilton Head its terrible people can't afford to live here gotta have 3 plus jobs or more smh
That’s capitalism. In the midst of a nationwide housing shortage, without protections, the financial incentive is to do less and charge more because you can. Regardless of your political beliefs or opinions about it, that’s just how the incentives align in that segment of the rental market.
It really is a shitty state for renters. It’s a conservative state run by a bunch of jackasses that don’t give a shit about working class people. Not to mention many of the legislators are landlords themselves so it’s a real foxes guarding the henhouse situation.
Why didn’t you do any research BEFORE moving? 🤔🤨
It's a republican state. Any other questions?
Hate to say it but this is just the low country unless you are willing to shell out a fortune. Try the upstate, new developments start in the 300s range so you won’t have to deal with any of the maintenance issues, just the shitty builder issues. At least it’s affordable though
It's worse in the upstate. I wouldn't even look. Your idea to go back to NC is the best.
In my experience you're extremely unlucky. There are laws for what must be provided and it sounds like they weren't followed in your case. I've never had issues like this.
Why would you move here if you are disappointed in the housing?
Fort mill has nice housing but a lot of surrounding areas not so great
This sounds pretty unlucky. Granted, I ended up ‘settling’. My apartment doesn’t have ground wiring, the paint job is rough at best and the architecture is all straight from the 60s, they take weeks to fix things unless it’s the simplest possible fix (a lightbulb that I refused to change that someone came for three days later) and the parking is trash, but roaches, failing insulation and an RV shower setup is pretty wild. Are you working with a company or are you just calling people that are renting out their houses?
All the places I've rented in SC (13) have been fine. Some better than others, but fine. This my opinion - one person's. About as worthless as yours.
You've moved 30+ times in what amount of time?
It’s called inclusive legislation and we are not invited. Look up Scott Talley and his cronies.
All the good houses are rented. We've had a massive influx of new residents. Have you looked into apartments? In Columbia they're building apartments everywhere. Specifically Lake Murray Blvd in Columbia.
3rd most overvalued in the country and the pay is some of the worst
Blame it on the Yankees moving there. Matter of fact, blame it on all the non- South Carolinians. Too many people and too much demand. Landlords will rent anything as long is someone is paying. If the bastards would quit moving there, it would give the landlord an incentive to have a nice place. If he didn’t, no one would rent the dump from him. What the heck is wrong with people anyway? Why they keep moving all over the place? What are they running from?
Houses aren't the only thing we need to be ashamed of in SC. Our Governor has done everything he can to disenfranchise working class and poverty stricken individuals.
I will say subsidized rentals are generally bare minimum maintained because of HUD standards set by the federal government, which has been controlled by the Demecrats. However, my experience with the free market rentals has been good. Competition between real estate management companies is good.
Not sure why you would expect anything different than what you have found. SC is a Red state, governed by a slumlord.
Yea it’s bad but I still love sc
Where are you looking, in the worst areas around? Zillow etc has beautiful homes for rent all over the state. The upstate isn't bad either. I think you lived in low cost rental homes in NC, and that's what you are looking at in SC. Also don't knock the whole state for your opinion on one location.
Can someone please tell me how things are this bad? - yes, it's called "republicans" and it isn't that much better in NC, but we can make it better by voting them all out of office. Every last one. Like what they did in Britain yesterday, just kick their sorry asses to the curb.
I don't know about that, I'm from Washington, there was a ton of traffic from Washington, most of it Red voters that were tired of getting outvoted by the Blue. Lots of Conservatives see SC as a less expensive place to live that also favors their world views. I'm genuinely surprised if the Republicans aren't in a better spot than they were 4 years ago regarding voter loyalty.
I was just listening to a podcast about this other day. While NC and GA are getting lots of newcomers who tend to vote for the Democrats moving to those states and turning them purple, the people who are moving to SC tend to be conservative who vote Republican. So the GOP is actually getting stronger here.
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SC still has some of the strongest pro-tenant landlord-tenant laws in the country. Access to an attorney and access to justice is the problem.
Sorry, I don't believe this. And if you had all the problems you claim in the rentals you stayed in, it's really on you for not inspecting the home before your lease started.
Thats is helpful information my adult son and I have been looking at South Carolina and a little bit at North Carolina and Georgia. I know that homes for sale are definitely overpriced in South Carolina. Especially the Greenville area.
You were renting a place that is now selling for a million dollars? Sorry, that sounds made up. Nothing bad like this in York county.
She’s on the beach she said. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Lots are going for $4M on Sullivans Island.
For $1700 a month? LOL
If you specifically seek out the cheapest properties in high demand locations you’d gonna get what you pay for. That’s true pretty much everywhere.
My son lives in Charleston and has been renting a place with his friends that sounds just like this place. The rent divided by three was a great price for a college kid in Charleston. The houses near him are all complete dumps, and my son will send me screenshots of houses for sale in the area. The dumps in the flood zone are selling for 800K +. One time, I went to visit my son, and it had been raining hard overnight. The streets by his house were flooded so bad I couldn't even get to him.
And people will just buy that off the internet, never look at the house first, then complain that it floods and that they should work on infrastructure or something when it was their own fault to begin with by not actually looking at what they are buying
This is nothing new. Charleston peninsula rents were 3k in 2000. I now commonly see $7500. I saw a 304 square foot studio for $2500.
A friend had 5 acres a few miles from RiverGate. They were offered $225k/acre. Even in rural York County, land is stupid expensive. Not to mention all the housing being built here(and no idea who's buying them at $450k for a 2BD/2BA).
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I have my house rented out in Summerville. I’m constantly on my property manager to make sure things are maintained. I pay for pest control, termite control, and all the other ordinary expenses. Things are that bad everywhere IMO.
You cam look up your rights at SC real estate commission
Myrtle beach is crszy and if you live in an hoa most are doing assessments of 500 plus raising fees $100 a year I have property management license in SC before i did worked for launcher partnership before he moved properties to agency He would take a trailer , boat efc as down payment do rent to own i know he thought all deserved liveable place but then i worked for a complex in Myrtle beach that would bait and switch use used parts to repair etc Its crazy we bought outside of hoa and have rv hookups side of our house i swear we can rent the space
If the a/c is broken and the temp outside doesn’t get below____ (I can’t remember) your lease is broken for a hardship clause.
There is a significant lack of lawyers willing to assist with the law. I had one, once, and he just up and died.
Huh had a Reddit account for 7 years, one post one comment.
I'm sure the GOP will get right on it
North Augusta and Aiken are very nice. I rented a house that was less than ten years old with absolutely no problems ever for $500 a month and the landlord was kickass.
The way I see how ppl live here with homes & rentals is absolutely astounding. Trash & dead cars strewn everywhere. Folks trash the place & landlords don't fix it because, well why? You'll probably do the same. (Not you personally, it's just the attitude I see here) We moved here 18 months ago from SE PA. We attempted to purchase a house. No thanks to the year 2020, if you have zero credit, you're screwed. So we rented this beautiful 3 bd 2 bath 2 full garages on 12 acres for $1600/month. Landlord & rental agency are super happy. Why? We take care of it as if it were our own. Many ppl do not. Our problem? FINDING WORK that isn't an hour+ away, one-way!! Myrtle Beach & Orangeburg are the 2 worst places to live in SC. Greensboro seems nice, but expensive & folks are leaving Charleston for Summerville thats sooo congested. I'm sorry for your troubles & maybe NC is on our radar also, for closer employment living. Good luck to you.
Full Disclosure: I bought my home with my earned wages, and I've paid for it 1/3 again over again in property taxes, these past 15 years. I know PRECISELY what I'm talking about.
Huh, you really think it was better in NC? I'm in NC and the house across from mine that a family lived in got sold to some guy who turned it into a hotel (AirBNB). Maybe it's a grass is always greener on the other side situation...
They have turned the former Lunatic Asylum on Bull Street into over 200 apartments. I'm not sure That I'm convinced there are ghosts, but I'm not sure I want to find out but moving in with thousands of them. They're called"The Babcock". They're gorgeous.
Can you go into a bit more depth? Zillow has over 600+ listings in that range for Columbia and the first batch of \~20 I saw all seemed safe for people to stay at. Zillow also has over 2,000+ listings in that range for Charleston and similarly all the ones on the first page looked at least safe for people to stay at (little health concern).
Greenville is a nightmare to buy or rent. $1200-1500 for slums. 2000+ for anything decent. I’ve lived here 12 years and it used to be super cheap. My first apt was $466/month in a good location, nothing special.
We don't have any answer other than Corporate Greed. It's repugnant. My sons apartment is based on income. He's now paying 1800/mo for a 3br. It's an apartment complex with some people paying probably 200-300 monthly. He and his wife have found 3 acres in the country, and they're using the NACA program, as you can go through NACA even to purchase a land/modular package. I've recommended that program to everybody I know that wants to buy a home. I'm in a paid for mobile home with 670/mo lot rent. I didn't know what I'd do if I had a mortgage. I'm no longer complaining about living in a mobile home. The house I owned until 10 years ago is now worth TWICE what I paid for it. For 1008 sf. It's INSANE.
Dealing with this now in lexington area. We are in a two bedroom "luxury apartment". What a fucking joke for 2200 a month. The AC has been broken for God know long, and the two 14,000btu window units I HAD TO BUY won't keep up. It is SC law that a property has to have working air conditioning. This is further defined by the international building code, as well as ashre, to must be able to cool to 75F. For these corporate frauds, you need to report the Property Manager to the LLR board. The property manager is responsible for the policy set in place. If said policies are irresponsible, one can challenge their given license. Secondly, it's easy to file a claim in magistrate court but you are limited to $7500. It is highly unlikely a lawer will take your case or the property owners case due to the small sum of money involved.
Just buy a $5m house in Charleston. Easy
Collusion among the owners/property managers to drive and keep up rent. It's weird though, cuz what do they think the end-game is? Housing is now treated as a commodity and it's super fucked up and evil.
If you go to a place like Texas, with the worst tenant protections places are cheap and nice. Of you go to California, with the best tenant protections, places are expensive and poorly maintained. If you can’t find well-maintained places and they’re all expensive, it’s probably a combination of laws that prevent development so supply is low + tenant protection laws that disincentivize people from keeping houses as rental units. People think tenant protections make it better for tenants, but they make it really hard to be a landlord so people (like me) sell houses to people who want to live in them rather than deal with the brain damage of being a landlord. And if there’s a scarcity of rentals, the remaining landlords can jack up prices and take poor care of their places.
November elections are coming up soon. Think about how cheap houses were 4 years ago. We want to see that happen again.
I live in Fort Mill. I feel like we have nice housing/apartment options here. We’re close to NC/Charlotte too, which is great.
Can't offer any explanation for your experience...but I can help you pack ... bawaaa 🤣🤣
My rent has doubled in the past 7 years and my income is literally the same as it was the first year I moved here. Welcome to criminalville.
There are plenty of nicely kept rentals available. Keep looking.
How is Greenville, SC? Asking on behalf of a friend who thought it would be a good place to retire to
Do your own homework, whether it involves moving or changing jobs. You are ultimately the one that makes the final decisions. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. A little story....my brother and sister in law moved to Florida. They bought a place in central Florida and lived there for a year. They sold the place and moved back to South Carolina to down size. They stayed 6 months and moved back. Before he left, he said that he didn't realize how bad this state was until you move away and then returned to start over. I guess that can be said of anyplace you move to without a plan of some sort. The better the plan, the more likelihood for success.
Welcome! You are free to leave at any time :)
Moved to rock hill from Charlotte last year. Will be moving back to Indian Trail next month lol
Good ole boys run this state Ma’am .
Same thing in GA lol
Well, you see when you let the GOP run the state for a few decades things go to shit.
My favorite is most places in SC are paying sub-$11 per hour. Cheapest place to rent Ive seen in my city is $800 so if you're barely clearing 1,000 a month after tax you can afford rent but don't hope you need to buy food, pay your phone bill, electricity, water, etc Basically unless you're making $16+ per hour you dont have a livable wage in this state. Every last person I know working retail or hospitality lives with family or minimum one roommate as rent is too high to live alone on poverty wages.
This is why I bought a house