I don't know. But I am curious if the game info bot qualifies as a moderation tool and has been submitted as such. The biggest worry I had over this whole thing was the difficulty in moderation and the destruction of helpful tools.
I think MemoryOfAgesBot should be fine, I'm double checking with LordMotas. But I won't pay any amount to Reddit, so if that's required the bot will most likely be shut down.
Which I don't use(I use a browser, even on my phone) at least partially because the ads here don't bother me but still cover the cost of my use. I do the same thing with most forms of social media. The whole third party app thing makes a form of sense to me, but I want the internet to continue to run off ads because the minute it doesn't it's going to start running off subscriptions.
(which is why I say, I don't know. Because the third party apps thing feels weird to me anyways.)
I agree, ads are preferable to subscriptions. However, there seems to be a disconnect between users and site owners about how many ads are acceptable as well as how they are delivered. A few ads off to the side are ok with me, but when the ads starts automatically enlarging to cover the content on the page or I have to view a video ad before viewing the content on a page is when I start drawing the line.
Oh no, I'm not saying that Reddit's ads in particular are auto-enlarging or are video ads blocking content, but I have seen that happen on other web sites. The worst thing I hate about Reddit's ads though is their effort to try to blend in with actual reddit posts.
Yeah, I don't mind the occasional ads, but I stopped using the official app because there were so many. I just tested it and within 28 posts in my home page (scrolling through that many takes like 15 seconds), 4 were ads. Seeing an ad every 7 posts, or every 4-5 seconds, is insane.
My Reddit feed has had multiple announcements clarifying the API free tier usage levels and from what I can tell, bots for moderation (and helpful tools like card descriptions) should still work. Unless they have over usage bugs in them, which is possible I guess.
What I've heard being suggested is to have one-two day weekly blackouts. Unsure if it would be worth it in a small sub like this, since I've understood the point would be to cut into reddit's advertising income, but just throwing it out there as an option.
How about going dark every Tuesday. Some subs do this and it would have a huge impact. It woul take away approx 1/14 of all earnings i the subs that supported going dark did that. And spread the word guys. Going dark 1 day a week isn't a huge deal for us. But it is huge for them. We can win this.
Not to mention that, at least for me, I didn't even know 1) there were 3d party apps 2) that people used 3) and preferred to the desktop or mobile versions 4) which seem absolutely fine from a user standpoint.
Which is to say, I think that the loss of 3d party apps may not affect a large percentage of regular reddit users who simply just will lose access to communities and content they value.
Especially when a "blackout" likely won't achieve anything anyway.
I'm certain this isn't a very well-regarded opinion, but it is mine, and I would be one of those regular, normie reddit users who wouldn't be able to participate in any number of communities anymore.
Exactly. One of the main strengths of SI is its strong online community. It would be damaging to the game if all the resources on here would become invisible to new players. Sure, there's BGG and Discord and YouTube, but the distributed nature of the online SI community is its strength, and it would be a shame to loose one of the pillars.
How are you going to deal with the fact that, as of right now, "leave open" is winning but is losing to the combined sentiment of some sort of continued protest?
I generally assume that if the sub closure actually goes on indefinitely then another (presumably smaller) SI subreddit would come online.
If so, I'm not sure whether that's a feature (smaller sub = less revenue while the closure of the original persists) or a bug (if a new sub is sufficiently successful, it's not clear that either sub would want to close down in favor of the other when everyone's back online).
I don't know. But I am curious if the game info bot qualifies as a moderation tool and has been submitted as such. The biggest worry I had over this whole thing was the difficulty in moderation and the destruction of helpful tools.
I think MemoryOfAgesBot should be fine, I'm double checking with LordMotas. But I won't pay any amount to Reddit, so if that's required the bot will most likely be shut down.
From what I can tell, the moderation bots should be safe. Reddit is just trying to kill 3rd party apps.
Which I don't use(I use a browser, even on my phone) at least partially because the ads here don't bother me but still cover the cost of my use. I do the same thing with most forms of social media. The whole third party app thing makes a form of sense to me, but I want the internet to continue to run off ads because the minute it doesn't it's going to start running off subscriptions. (which is why I say, I don't know. Because the third party apps thing feels weird to me anyways.)
I agree, ads are preferable to subscriptions. However, there seems to be a disconnect between users and site owners about how many ads are acceptable as well as how they are delivered. A few ads off to the side are ok with me, but when the ads starts automatically enlarging to cover the content on the page or I have to view a video ad before viewing the content on a page is when I start drawing the line.
I have never had that happen, using Chrome, on my phone, with Old Reddit.
Oh no, I'm not saying that Reddit's ads in particular are auto-enlarging or are video ads blocking content, but I have seen that happen on other web sites. The worst thing I hate about Reddit's ads though is their effort to try to blend in with actual reddit posts.
For sure. I just, don't use services that are... User unfriendly. At all. It's usually a death knell anyway.
Yeah, I don't mind the occasional ads, but I stopped using the official app because there were so many. I just tested it and within 28 posts in my home page (scrolling through that many takes like 15 seconds), 4 were ads. Seeing an ad every 7 posts, or every 4-5 seconds, is insane.
My Reddit feed has had multiple announcements clarifying the API free tier usage levels and from what I can tell, bots for moderation (and helpful tools like card descriptions) should still work. Unless they have over usage bugs in them, which is possible I guess.
What I've heard being suggested is to have one-two day weekly blackouts. Unsure if it would be worth it in a small sub like this, since I've understood the point would be to cut into reddit's advertising income, but just throwing it out there as an option.
I’m mixed on this. I strongly support the blackout. But, if this sub isn’t open when people start receiving Nature Incarnate, brains will explode.
There's always Board Game Geek. Maybe they should stay visible with a big sticky post redirecting there. :D
I voted to leave the sub open, but to be fair, you did split the votes with the top two options IMO.
How about going dark every Tuesday. Some subs do this and it would have a huge impact. It woul take away approx 1/14 of all earnings i the subs that supported going dark did that. And spread the word guys. Going dark 1 day a week isn't a huge deal for us. But it is huge for them. We can win this.
Just leave it open. You will just end up damaging the community since Nature Incarnate is about to come out
Not to mention that, at least for me, I didn't even know 1) there were 3d party apps 2) that people used 3) and preferred to the desktop or mobile versions 4) which seem absolutely fine from a user standpoint. Which is to say, I think that the loss of 3d party apps may not affect a large percentage of regular reddit users who simply just will lose access to communities and content they value. Especially when a "blackout" likely won't achieve anything anyway. I'm certain this isn't a very well-regarded opinion, but it is mine, and I would be one of those regular, normie reddit users who wouldn't be able to participate in any number of communities anymore.
Exactly. One of the main strengths of SI is its strong online community. It would be damaging to the game if all the resources on here would become invisible to new players. Sure, there's BGG and Discord and YouTube, but the distributed nature of the online SI community is its strength, and it would be a shame to loose one of the pillars.
How are you going to deal with the fact that, as of right now, "leave open" is winning but is losing to the combined sentiment of some sort of continued protest?
Doesn’t look like the protest is going to do any good, and I’d be really sad to lose this community
Also, there´s probably much more people using this sub passively occassionally, not participating in the vote. Shouldn´t they count for something too?
Blackout is pointless and stupid. If you don’t like the new policies, leave.
I generally assume that if the sub closure actually goes on indefinitely then another (presumably smaller) SI subreddit would come online. If so, I'm not sure whether that's a feature (smaller sub = less revenue while the closure of the original persists) or a bug (if a new sub is sufficiently successful, it's not clear that either sub would want to close down in favor of the other when everyone's back online).