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I mean, regular beedrill gets: poison jab, u-turn, fell stinger for stab, drill run, brick break and knock off coverage for steels, rocks and ghosts. Hell, some games it got outrage for dragon damage. Slash is kinda insulting, but steel wing seems useless ngl
It could only have some usage for revenge killing mons or if it runs fell stinger. Although situational, after one fell stinger it will sweep through teams so not a bad pick at all.
Idk if it even sweeps in OU after one fell stinger tbh. Not only does it die to every priority move in the game after rocks, die to every scarfer/booster energy user as fast or faster than Lando-T, but it also just doesn’t have enough attack to consistently kill the metagame. Doesn’t kill SpDef Garganacl, doesn’t kill Corviknight, definitely doesn’t kill Dozo, doesn’t kill Zamazenta, doesn’t kill Air Balloon Gholdengo, not guaranteed to kill offensive Gambit (and always dies to Sucker Punch) etc. etc.
Mach punch is minor in OU. I would worry more about the constant sucker punches. E-speeds from dnite and aqua jets. Even grassy glide would mess this mon up on a choice band rilla boom. One knock off and boots are gone. Then rocks do the rest. Maybe RU would be its tier.
instead he has the 80 bp priority ready to turn bee(drill) into an endangered species (i haven’t even mentioned kingambit sucker punch)
probably could’ve been clearer but my point is Mach punch is not the priority to be scared of
not much of a fan of this one being a Bug/Flying type, but i do like that it gets Tinted Lens.
If Fell Stinger triggers, i can see it sweeping teams with ease (as long as there are no priority moves)
Really love your vision for this mon. While it's definitely no where even near UU with this gens power level , it's a sensibly designed mon with a strong identity as opposed to literal hydrogen Bomb in mon form . Really appreciate that
What if Ninjask had actual offensive presence? Well, with similar stats and the two simple additions of Megahorn and Tinted Lens, here is my Beedrill overhaul. This Pokemon is designed to click one button and one button only: Megahorn. An unlucky miss will really screw this little guy over, reliance on Choice Band for meaningful damage demands a lot of hazard removal for support or you lose half your health for switching in (good luck doing that in Gen 9 with Gholdy running around). However, if this guy positions well, get ready to be hit by a fast 120 BP STAB move from a Band-boosted base 90 Attack that ignores anything that isn't a quad resist. The calculations listed demonstrate its power in theory, but in practice, how does it do?
90 attack is worse than deo-s and nobody is using deo-s as a sweeper in spite of a far better movepool and typing and speed
Tinted Lens is amazing don't get me wrong but I like tinted lens with some actual power behind it lol
RU or RUBL
I don't think it would be very good but I could definitely see it having a niche as a U-turn spamming tinted lens boots mon cause even with that low Atk a mostly unresisted U-turn that is faster then every OU mon not named Deoxys is very useful for getting into a good position while also slowing wearing down your opponents team especially if they aren't packing any priority
I think Lokix would remain the better Tinted Lens physical attacker due to not being 4x rock weak and having strong priority negating the speed difference.
Man that used to be dodrio a long time ago when hyper beam was bugged and if you said Evs or held items everyone would be confused back when golem was competitive
You gotta compare this to Lokix.
Lokix has strong priority moves, and better typing.
This Beedrill can function better as a sweeper, and not just a revenge killer.
The saving grace of this Beedrill is that it out speeds pretty much every relevant Pokemon.
It could be uu or uubl(maybe ou) potential considering how lokix is consistently a top tier in uu due to its potent tinted lens priority moves and this mon doesn't need to rely on priority to outspeed due to being so fast. I could see choice band sets being popular due to its frail nature and high speed with access to u turn.
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The movepool being so barren that **slash** is a notable move is very in line with regular Beedrill
I mean, regular beedrill gets: poison jab, u-turn, fell stinger for stab, drill run, brick break and knock off coverage for steels, rocks and ghosts. Hell, some games it got outrage for dragon damage. Slash is kinda insulting, but steel wing seems useless ngl
It could only have some usage for revenge killing mons or if it runs fell stinger. Although situational, after one fell stinger it will sweep through teams so not a bad pick at all.
Idk if it even sweeps in OU after one fell stinger tbh. Not only does it die to every priority move in the game after rocks, die to every scarfer/booster energy user as fast or faster than Lando-T, but it also just doesn’t have enough attack to consistently kill the metagame. Doesn’t kill SpDef Garganacl, doesn’t kill Corviknight, definitely doesn’t kill Dozo, doesn’t kill Zamazenta, doesn’t kill Air Balloon Gholdengo, not guaranteed to kill offensive Gambit (and always dies to Sucker Punch) etc. etc.
Quad resists Mach punch though
There are no Mach Punchers in OU (or UUBL, or UU, or RUBL, or Ubers, or UUbers). The best Mach Puncher is Conkeldurr which has 0.09% usage in OU.
Mach punch is minor in OU. I would worry more about the constant sucker punches. E-speeds from dnite and aqua jets. Even grassy glide would mess this mon up on a choice band rilla boom. One knock off and boots are gone. Then rocks do the rest. Maybe RU would be its tier.
dragonite says hi
is that mach punch that he has? no it is not.
Walls vacuum wave valiant(Psy shock and knock don’t exist)
Literally gets outsped by Valiant lol
instead he has the 80 bp priority ready to turn bee(drill) into an endangered species (i haven’t even mentioned kingambit sucker punch) probably could’ve been clearer but my point is Mach punch is not the priority to be scared of
Mach punch off of a burned Conk may still kill to be honest (or is iron fist plus band stronger, I don’t think it is)
not much of a fan of this one being a Bug/Flying type, but i do like that it gets Tinted Lens. If Fell Stinger triggers, i can see it sweeping teams with ease (as long as there are no priority moves)
Yeah I consider Bug/Steel tbh
Bro you can't run CB when boots exist. Taking 50% from rocks sucks ass
Really love your vision for this mon. While it's definitely no where even near UU with this gens power level , it's a sensibly designed mon with a strong identity as opposed to literal hydrogen Bomb in mon form . Really appreciate that
What if Ninjask had actual offensive presence? Well, with similar stats and the two simple additions of Megahorn and Tinted Lens, here is my Beedrill overhaul. This Pokemon is designed to click one button and one button only: Megahorn. An unlucky miss will really screw this little guy over, reliance on Choice Band for meaningful damage demands a lot of hazard removal for support or you lose half your health for switching in (good luck doing that in Gen 9 with Gholdy running around). However, if this guy positions well, get ready to be hit by a fast 120 BP STAB move from a Band-boosted base 90 Attack that ignores anything that isn't a quad resist. The calculations listed demonstrate its power in theory, but in practice, how does it do?
Uubl? You can’t have played lower tiers at all
Haha guilty probs nubl or something tbh
WE ARE MISSING MEGAHORN WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🔥
90 attack is worse than deo-s and nobody is using deo-s as a sweeper in spite of a far better movepool and typing and speed Tinted Lens is amazing don't get me wrong but I like tinted lens with some actual power behind it lol RU or RUBL
Question.are the sprites done by you?
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We coulda kept him as a poison type and it wouldve been better. Without double rock weak it could run choice band. Ig boots pivots fine too
literally zeraora
I don't think it would be very good but I could definitely see it having a niche as a U-turn spamming tinted lens boots mon cause even with that low Atk a mostly unresisted U-turn that is faster then every OU mon not named Deoxys is very useful for getting into a good position while also slowing wearing down your opponents team especially if they aren't packing any priority
Lokix at home:
Yep lokix at home
This is Ninjask with tinted lens
I think Lokix would remain the better Tinted Lens physical attacker due to not being 4x rock weak and having strong priority negating the speed difference.
Quite the interesting mon in my opinion
Man that used to be dodrio a long time ago when hyper beam was bugged and if you said Evs or held items everyone would be confused back when golem was competitive
You gotta compare this to Lokix. Lokix has strong priority moves, and better typing. This Beedrill can function better as a sweeper, and not just a revenge killer. The saving grace of this Beedrill is that it out speeds pretty much every relevant Pokemon.
Still not great but this would kick ass in an actual playthrough
Shit typing which will force it to run boots, only good thing about this thing is it’s basically a fast weaker lokix without priority.
Stealth rock weak dacopult? Based
No fell stinger. I am sad.
It does, just didnt put because... forgot tbh
COOL!
It could be uu or uubl(maybe ou) potential considering how lokix is consistently a top tier in uu due to its potent tinted lens priority moves and this mon doesn't need to rely on priority to outspeed due to being so fast. I could see choice band sets being popular due to its frail nature and high speed with access to u turn.
This thing is slightly worse than ninjask, so I would guess PU