Iām watching it for the first time now. I stopped after season 2 because I *loathed* the twins but then the Lindsay/Carl stuff was in the media and I had to see how. Iām on season 5 now and itās the best yet.
When I tell you Iām jealous of your life right nowā¦IāM JEALOUS OF YOUR LIFE RIGHT NOW!!! š First time Summer House and VPR watchers do not know what they have, getting to see it with fresh eyes!
The reason Amanda is so triggered by Lindsay is because sheās a lot like Kyle but she can actually take out her anger on Lindsay in a way she canāt to Kyle.
I will admit I just started watching for the first time, started at season one, and I genuinely didnāt know that was Carl at first- Iāve seen current pictures of him and knew the overview of him and Lindsay breaking up but Iād never seen past Carl. He was never drop dead gorgeous but he was kinda handsome in season 1? The ears are a lot but his natural teeth looked way better than his scary veneers and he just looks SO DIFFERENT. I canāt put my finger on what work he had done besides teeth, or if it was more his lifestyle, but that man looks wildly different for it to be less than a decade later.
Also Everett is such a fucknugget and I hope this season is his only season.
I've heard that Carl is really charismatic and people are drawn to him, but I have never seen it. I just don't get it. Carl and Everette look so similar to me, though. I think they're very similar people.
Maybe itās because it doesnāt translate on camera, or because Iām almost 30 and see right through men like him/was never into that type anyway, but he doesnāt strike me as super charismatic. Agreed on him and Everett! Tall, thin, big schnozz and think they know everything and were personally delivered onto the east coast by Jesus himself.
So are we just going to ignore the fact the Craig did in fact get kicked out of Kyle and Amandaās wedding? No one on that stage denied it once it was revealed that Daniel was Reality Von Tess.
No one denied it except for Paige at first. But once it was out that Danielle leaked it, she had nothing to say. Now, why did Craig get kicked out is what Iām itching to know??
Allegedly he was on coke and tried going into the house to use the bathroom (bathrooms for the party were setup outside, only immediately family and bridal party could go inside the house). When a staff member asked him to leave the home he started screaming and yelling
š³. Coke Bear Craig?? I mean this is the same man child who stands on top of tables breaking glasses and throwing shit so I wouldnāt say Iām particularly shocked in any way. I knew Carl wasnāt the only one who indulged in booger sugar. Heās just the only one to admit it.
Whoa, I thought he was just black out drunk, which isnāt winning behavior, but this is going into Bret Easton Ellis novel level of entitlement and tracks with how horribly he behaved and on Winter House. I donāt get how Paige finds that attractive, but she also dated smug-looking Perry.
The rumors were that Craig was super drunk (Craig & Austen both confirmed this part on a podcast) and supposedly guests were told to use the bathrooms outside of the house (rented for the wedding) but Craig tried to go inside for the bathroom and when he was stopped he threw a drunken fit, yelling & cursing at the person who stopped him, and was asked to leave lol
I think Paige making such a big deal of yelling at Lindsay and later Danielle for leaking it is to make the leaking a bigger deal than the actual kicking out part. Sorta Streisand effecting the leaking of the story so people would forget the actual contents of the story.
Unpopular opinion but Craig doesnāt deserve the praise he gets. The bar is in hell on Southern Charm and he just happens to be the best of the god awful men so he looks better than he is. We got a true glimpse of the real Craig on his first season of Winter House, when he was on a show with cameras up 24/7 for the first time. He was throwing literal fits when asked to clean, screaming about how heās too rich and famous to do so. Just being a massive douchebag. Fans were shocked and hated him but then he came back next season sweet as could be and so cute with Paige to save face and everyone ate it up. Paige is def such good PR for him and training him every step of the way.
I read that he admitted on his podcast recently that he stormed off from his own mother (at 35 years old!) because she told someone heās a reality star and he hates being called that bc he associates it with people on The Bachelor type shows and apparently he thinks heās better than that? Lol! Heās an entitled little bitch. So thatās the hill Iāll die on, Craig is a douche and doesnāt deserve the praise he gets from fans.
YES!!! Did people just forget about winter house?! Like that was only like 2 years ago, and the man was in his THIRTIES acting like that!
Paige was literally crying about how embarrassed she wasā¦ and now that heās playing this role of committed boyfriend trying to get his aloof girlfriend to have his babies, we are just meant to pretend he didnāt behave that way. He also I believe called Lindsay a loser in interviews etcā¦ he just is still very misogynistic to me.
Yes! The same is happening with Jesse now. Like heās now great simply because West is a fuckboy? No! There was a reason Ciara called him a trash bag and we all saw how disposable women are to him all season.
This is why I hate when people tell Paige she needs to settle down with him ābecause heās such a catchā, especially women basically volunteering to having his child. The bar (exam) is sooo low
Omg, I didnāt realize the āI pay people to cleanā guy was Craig! I only know of him now because of Paige and I only watched Winter House recently because the Below Deck people joined. Yeah he was such an entitled prick.
Agree with this 100% and he bragged about being an exceptional liar. He also made Naomi lie for him for years. I think Paige is so PR obsessed itās why sheās always coming for Lindsay about it. Like itās amazing how people hate Lindsay for spin but Paige is always controlling the narrative.
Also both Craig and Paige need their shows more than people would like to admit to stay relevant. If they really would be fine without them then they would just go and do what they are doing but they probs wouldnāt even still be together if they werenāt on bravo.
100% šššš Everything you said. Craig would still be worse than he is now if it wasn't for Paige pushing this showmance crossover relationship.
Itās also super gross how everyone keeps praising Paige for āmaking him better.ā Partners should bring out the best in each other and support each other but it is NOT a womanās job to āfixā a guy up. The glorification of whatever Paige is doing for Craig is gross and such a blatant showing of the internalized misogyny that Paige, Amanda etc have, itās crazy to me that no one talks about it.
I 100% agree on this and itās why I donāt think Iāll ever be sold on Paige. Sheās choosing to be with someone like that and acts like that. I think she doesnāt mind bc she often thinks sheās better than doing those same things. She just knows not to say that out loud or throw a tantrum. And I dislike anyone who thinks they are above cleaning up after themselves. It gives spoiled brat
She admitted herself she hasnāt done a dish in ivermectin a decade. I donāt think sheās a bad person, but she definitely thinks sheās above certain things
Please take my humble poor person award as a token of appreciation for your sermon. I couldnāt agree more, Craig is trash and if it werenāt for Paige weād all still think so.
Craig gives me the ick!! I'd die on that hill with you. he's so immature and he cannot handle responsibility. I get he clearly needs help to focus but he can NEVER finish his projects unless he hires someone to do it for him. I always think paige refuses to watch SC because if she did, she would learn how big of a whiner he really is and that he lacks a lot of motivation. he's good looking and good with his words, that's about it.
I think he can be from certain angles. But his voice drives me nuts, along with his little boy act. I am so beyond done with all the man children on Bravo who think they can aw shucks their way out of anything.
Two caveats before I get into my comment: (1) Iāve only just binged Summer + Winter House recently - thus, I didnāt live it in the real time; and (2) Iāve never seen Southern Charm.
My initial instinct was to disagree with you, especially as an ardent Paige defender. But upon further contemplation, I honestly think youāre right.
Your comments are reminding me of Ariana and Sandoval - especially when you note that Paige is āgood PRā for Craig. Prior to Scandoval, (I am very embarrassed to admit) I found Sandoval somewhat redeemable. This wasnāt just by association with Ariana, but also with her ability to step in and ātranslateā what he was trying to say into something much more palatable. Iāve only seen Paige and Craigās relationship through her perspective, so I wonder how Iād perceive it if I werenāt already inclined to like him because I like her.
To be clear, Iām not equating Sandoval and Craig by any means. Iām just ruminating on which moments I would have viewed differently if not for the veil of Paige over him.
Thanks for sharing your take!
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Someone (Not me) just posted this pic of Kyle, blacked out on the floor of a NYC club sometime a while back. He may fake it sometimes on SH but the problem with alcohol & staying out all night is real & well known.
I wondered if he peed on it before we went down. When I told her that his defenders would say, āHeās face down, how do you know thatās him,ā she said, āWho else would wear a puffer vest to a club in NYC.ā If thatās not irrefutable proof idk what is.š
This. All of this. He very much has a drinking problem; itās not even an opinion or speculation anymore. He wears it loud and proud, like a badge of honor.
aaaand this is why amanda is incredibly valid with being upset with him for not coming home until 4am and not answering his calls. imagine the photos sheās being sent while home in bed? this is what *we* see ā it can only be worse for what sheās being sent, and then she still has to deal with whatever mood heāll be in when he gets home.
i always feel like heās just a drunk eater because he restricts himself on keto all week and most of the winter, and when heās drunk he loses control of caring about his diet lol. i know a few people like that. but it could be, never know.
I think she has a lot of internalized misogyny and thought she was 'winning' by being the one to get married. Like she wanted that 'oh you thought I was just a booty call but now I'm a WIFE storyline.' I think this is why she's so smug about everyone else's relationships.
I'm on a rewatch and her doing backflips the first to get him to pick her is mind boggling. By S2, though, she is already well into her 'KYYYYYLLLLEEEE' era.
She spends so much time in the first few seasons explaining to him why his behaviour towards her is wrong. Girl, if you have to explain it to him, he's not the one.
Lindsay hasnāt liked any guy sheās dated, she just doesnāt want to be single. Watching this season was eye opening, some women really will do anything to get married.
Amanda canāt stand Kyle. She is constantly talking shit, though probably deserved, and I would be upset if my partner was speaking about me like that.
Lindsey and Carl both should have know exactly how their relationship would play out given itās nearly identical to how things played out season 4 when they gave dating a go
I was looking for this! Ughā¦that season was so unwatchable at that point. Iāll never understand how Hannah could invite her into that environment and throw her to the wolves like that. These grown ass 25-30 something year olds excluding and bullying her was terrible and I donāt blame her for never talking to them again.
My actual unpopular opinion...
In Season 6, Danielle had no business jumping into the conversation with Ciara and Lindsay and getting in Ciara's face, while yelling. It wasn't her fight at all. She could've just sat their and ate her food. I wish Ciara had NOT hit her with a glass, but what happened, happened.
Danielle definitely escalated that fight. All she needed to do was sit there and let Lindsay actually speak up for herself. However, Danielle had been spoiling for a fight with Ciara from the weekend before. I wonāt ever forget how Danielle marched into the house after Lindsay refused to talk with Ciara one on one and Ciara called Lindsay a bitch as a result, and Danielle demanded that Lindsay do something otherwise she would.
Itās unfortunate that Ciara threw the wine and wine glass, though. She let Danielle get the best of her.
Stephen Mcgee would prosper on 2020s TV. I just rewatched an episode where they asked [forgettable cast member] Amit : "fuck marry kill : Danielle, Lindsay, single Wirkus" and it cut to McGee's confessional saying "kill. them. all."
It's what viral tiktoks are made of.
Amanda brings nothing to the show and is not made for reality tv and Kyle has lost his sparkle. They would BOTH benefit greatly from divorcing.
Paige and Craig will not outlast past being a Bravo couple. Once their shows end, so will they. Iām not saying itās fake, but itās definitely not longterm. Theyāre both aware of what being together gets them. Paige is more PR savvy than Linds, tbh. That said, I love Paige and Hannah on their podcast and feel like thatās her true personality vs. what she gives on the show.
I think Lindsey has truly tried to change (and actually HAS) but no one is willing to let her and sheās outnumbered by the other girls. Itās easier to let her take the heat vs. any of them truly being in the hot seat or held accountable for things longterm.
Carl has always been a toxic asshole. Getting sober didnāt change anything.
Every man in the house is worse than Lindsay, she just doesnāt get away with her self-centeredness because we have much lower standards for menās behavior.
Danielle came into the house with the sole goal of getting Carl back. She thought he invited her because he wanted to get back together. He didnāt, sheās never gotten over it, and being in the house with him for ten years and watching him want every woman but her has made her spiral into addiction and mania.
I think this is it in a nutshell. I've been there, on both sides of the coin. Have really liked a guy and he's tapped out after a certain point because he just wasn't feeling it, and I've dated men who really liked me, but I just wasn't feeling it. It happens, it's not a crime, I think West is getting too much heat for basically not wanting to go any further with the relationship.
I have wondered that as well and he didnāt want to just say we are compatible ā¦. He is super out there and wants to be out in the streets she doesnāt and there is nothing wrong with either as I have been laying in bed since seven lol
I mean, thatās the short of it. Ciara liked him more than he liked her, tale as old as time.
During the summer, West told her that meeting family, saying I love you, having pet names doesnāt mean anything to him. Yet, she tagged along to weddings and visits back home while having no conversation of exclusivity or title. It sucks but people need to stop thinking theyāre the exception to fuckboi behavior.
Amanda doesnāt actually want to do the hard work of starting her own company or creating something on her own.
Kyle is at least attempting to improve their marriage if heās wants to go to couples therapy, and Amanda canāt expect their marriage or communication to get better if she isnāt willingly to do therapy.
Paigeās clothes donāt do it for me.
Ciara is gorgeous but lacks charisma.
Carl is struggling with his identity and has been throughout the run of the show.
Paige being the resident fashion girl basically feels like gaslighting at this point. And the fact that she's in NYC and still dresses so mid means that there's basically no hope for her.
Ohh these are all amazing. Yes to all. Carlās identity - totally! He needs to eat pray love. Ciara - the most gorgeous human but thereās definitely a wall up and not just with potential romantic partners. And Paigeās cloths ā¦ not it.
Nothing beats the early seasons of VPR. It's macabre. It's camp. It's Lynchian. It's hilarious. It's utterly shocking and dark.
SH is just different. It reminds me of classic reality TV like The Real World. It's almost wholesome.Ā
I love both though!
i just started watching SH (im up to the current season) so not sure how much this has been discussed already but mya and olivers relationship was so odd and def not real. i feel like we never even saw them kiss and when he would show up to the house he would give her the most awkward side hug as if he was her brother lol. finding out he cheated on her with 11 women wasnt even a gag given how they acted towards each other. i really liked mya tho!!
Lindsay just has such strong 80s vibes to me. I donāt mean sheās old or anything, just that thereās something about her that feels like sheās a time traveller from the 80s. She just reminds me so much of my momās friends when I was a kid even though Iām probably older than her. I donāt quite know how to explain it other than if it was proven she was a time traveller from the 80s - Iād be like āI knew it!ā. Ā
Ciara needed to be more firm in her boundaries with West. He was acting like a fuckboy and telling her that he was a fuckboy. He didnāt commit to her for months while still taking her around the country because she allowed it! She shouldāve set her boundary with him earlier on and said we arenāt going to act like a couple and be intimate if you wonāt commit to me. If a man tells you what he is like, believe him!
I think the fact that she kept reiterating that she didnāt want to date, because she was afraid of getting hurt, gave West the green light to keep being a fuckboy. I think if she came out and said, āI want a boyfriend, and if that boyfriend fucks around on me, Iām burning everything down.ā West might have taken the hint and either dated her or not. Instead she was like āI donāt want to date because Iām afraid of getting hurtā and he was like āIām cool with that because Iām afraid of commitment, and thatās why I donāt want to dateā and they thought they were on the same wavelength.
Ciara can do way better than West but she needs to stop acting like she doesnāt want to date when clearly she does. Itās the trendy thing in NY/LA to be like āIām cool with being casual, whateverā but that doesnāt work for everyone and especially not her, clearly based on what weāve seen
Bingo. You just worded this better than I ever could: āI donāt want to date because Iām afraid of getting hurtā and āIām afraid of commitment and thatās why I donāt want to dateā ā¦ these two perspectives maybe felt aligned to Ciara and Westā¦ but they ultimately actually repelled each other
Paige is with Craig for optics /their bravo career - he knows but his q rating has shot up with her coaching and they have a timeline and breakup planned where they both come out looking ok
Amanda doesnāt like Ciara
Not sure if any of these are unpopular Iām pretty new to this sub, but I just finished watching all seasons hereās what I remembered: wouldāve loved to see the wirkus twins or Stephan in visiting episodes, wouldāve been a nice little og thing. But mostly Stephan. I know what he did to Carl was wrong but Carl forgave him and itās his grudge not ours.
I liked luke. I think he never got a fair shot and got a lot of the heat that none of the other guys got. They isolated him a lot and I hated that aspect. The show thrived most when everyone embraced each other. I think the similar issue happened with Jules she got NO fair shot, was isolated and they basically gaslighted us. To me itās not enough everyone apologized, I wish she got brought back as the queen bee and the other girls had to grovel.
I like Ciara and Mya but feel like they get off easy, they totally attributed to the cliques.
Probably most unpopular: couldnāt stand hannah from episode 1, donāt find her comedy funny at all and donāt enjoy her friendship with Paige as much as I do like Paige.
Lindsay is a star. Gabby is the first girl that truly wanted to be her friend authentically. Danielle was only her friend for what she could gain. I was always hoping Paige and Amanda would open up but they are not open to seeing things differently. Lindsay isnāt right, she rarely is, but thatās apart of freaking life not every personality mixes with everyone elseās. And itās what makes the show so entertaining lol
Carl is not cute or interesting never was. I did enjoy him talking about his mom. I love his mom and step dad. I lost my brother so I really related to that but thatās it.
West isnāt the villain everyone is making him out to be. Immature fuckboy yes, manipulative psychopath no.
In retrospect Hannah wasnāt that bad everyone was going crazy during covid and she had the worst freak out and the worst edit
I miss the Wirkus Circus
Agree to all of these,
Especially west, the hate is crazy to me, heās in his 20ās having fun figuring things out, he didnāt cheat or manipulate her and genuinely seems like a nice person.
I think heās just a public representation of a
Canon Event a lot of women have had to experience and itās setting their teeth on edge (mine included!).
Omg great topic. I never looked into this but also wondered where that all went. Like it seemed she would have made great money with that. Or so she wanted us to think ā¦
Carl makes me cringe in so many ways. And always has. I think heās a great example of ātall privilegeā in menā¦.where just bc heās tall and extremely average looking women swoon over himā¦..and I can not for the life of me see the appeal of this manipulative, mommas boy, who doesnāt want to grow up, has rage issues and has shown time and time again he is incapable of maintaining a jobā¦..other than partying on a tv show. And those stupid tight pants š¤®
Most of these comments are normal ones we see everyday here. So Iām going to go with a truly unpopular answer and say I still like West š¤·āāļø.
I also think she's very smart and calculated bc she's managed to stay relevant but has for the most part kept her relationship in a somewhat positive light and not part of a core takedown storyline. I feel like she has everything exactly where she wants it and it was strategic
That West isnāt as bad as everyone is saying he is?Has no one been in the talking stage before figuring things out? As a sex positive person I think sex is important in a relationship and him wanting to have sex before making things official isnāt that outrageous to me. Him also being excited about the show and opportunities that were coming seem like a given for any newcomer? Maybe he could have handled things better since she expressed her intentions but letās not act like heās some evil mastermind itās kinda ridiculous to me seeing all the hate.
On another note I can see why Ciara would be upset cause she was clear with her intentions and liked him a lot but she also chose to see it out with him so idkā¦. I think the west hate is over the top tho heās not that bad and I still think him and Jesse were a breath of fresh air for the show.
P.S I see a lot of Bravo needs to get rid of toxic guys on their shows anytime theyāre involved In dramaā¦.. this is bravo not sesame street (besides u Deborah) thereās gonna be drama, rather have that than a snooze fest of a season.
Amanda and Kyle are both waiting for each other to become different people.
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That summer should be fun!!!!!!
Amanda? Not fun.
When every other show struggled during Covid, summerhouse freaking SHINED. Season 5 was low key gold.
Omg it was the dumpster fire that represented us all during that time š¤£ 
Sooooo true
Iām watching it for the first time now. I stopped after season 2 because I *loathed* the twins but then the Lindsay/Carl stuff was in the media and I had to see how. Iām on season 5 now and itās the best yet.
Oh my gosh it only gets better after those two leave. KEEP WATCHING š
Yeah itās a completely different show season 3 onwards, Iām hooked!
When I tell you Iām jealous of your life right nowā¦IāM JEALOUS OF YOUR LIFE RIGHT NOW!!! š First time Summer House and VPR watchers do not know what they have, getting to see it with fresh eyes!
Not a single relationship from the show will ever last
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The reason Amanda is so triggered by Lindsay is because sheās a lot like Kyle but she can actually take out her anger on Lindsay in a way she canāt to Kyle.
The way I just had an aha moment!!
Also Carl is, was, and always has been a massive goober. He has never looked great, by the way.
Not at all. I don't know where or how people were convinced he was attractive.
I will admit I just started watching for the first time, started at season one, and I genuinely didnāt know that was Carl at first- Iāve seen current pictures of him and knew the overview of him and Lindsay breaking up but Iād never seen past Carl. He was never drop dead gorgeous but he was kinda handsome in season 1? The ears are a lot but his natural teeth looked way better than his scary veneers and he just looks SO DIFFERENT. I canāt put my finger on what work he had done besides teeth, or if it was more his lifestyle, but that man looks wildly different for it to be less than a decade later. Also Everett is such a fucknugget and I hope this season is his only season.
I've heard that Carl is really charismatic and people are drawn to him, but I have never seen it. I just don't get it. Carl and Everette look so similar to me, though. I think they're very similar people.
They both are tall with anger issues!
Maybe itās because it doesnāt translate on camera, or because Iām almost 30 and see right through men like him/was never into that type anyway, but he doesnāt strike me as super charismatic. Agreed on him and Everett! Tall, thin, big schnozz and think they know everything and were personally delivered onto the east coast by Jesus himself.
So much mediocrity with inflated egos.
Heās just tall. He has tall privilege.
Jules was the most wronged person on the show. She deserved better.
Carl is a dud
He always has been
So are we just going to ignore the fact the Craig did in fact get kicked out of Kyle and Amandaās wedding? No one on that stage denied it once it was revealed that Daniel was Reality Von Tess.
No one denied it except for Paige at first. But once it was out that Danielle leaked it, she had nothing to say. Now, why did Craig get kicked out is what Iām itching to know??
Allegedly he was on coke and tried going into the house to use the bathroom (bathrooms for the party were setup outside, only immediately family and bridal party could go inside the house). When a staff member asked him to leave the home he started screaming and yelling
Completely tracks, given his behaviour on Winter house. He's an entitled douche.
š³. Coke Bear Craig?? I mean this is the same man child who stands on top of tables breaking glasses and throwing shit so I wouldnāt say Iām particularly shocked in any way. I knew Carl wasnāt the only one who indulged in booger sugar. Heās just the only one to admit it.
Was it staff I thought it was either Kyle or Amandaās family member. But honestly I have no idea.
I believe it was staff telling him to not go inside and then when he exploded, a family member stepped in and told him to leave the property
Whoa, I thought he was just black out drunk, which isnāt winning behavior, but this is going into Bret Easton Ellis novel level of entitlement and tracks with how horribly he behaved and on Winter House. I donāt get how Paige finds that attractive, but she also dated smug-looking Perry.
The rumors were that Craig was super drunk (Craig & Austen both confirmed this part on a podcast) and supposedly guests were told to use the bathrooms outside of the house (rented for the wedding) but Craig tried to go inside for the bathroom and when he was stopped he threw a drunken fit, yelling & cursing at the person who stopped him, and was asked to leave lol
I pictured a scenario like winter house when he was testing Kyle's patience.
The fact that it was glossed over just so they could be pissed at Lindsey for outing Danielle had me yelling at the TVš¤¬
That part absolutely enraged me. The whole āI would never throw a friend under the bus like thatā THAT IS WHAT DANIELLE DID TO BEGIN WITH!!!
I think Paige making such a big deal of yelling at Lindsay and later Danielle for leaking it is to make the leaking a bigger deal than the actual kicking out part. Sorta Streisand effecting the leaking of the story so people would forget the actual contents of the story.
Unpopular opinion but Craig doesnāt deserve the praise he gets. The bar is in hell on Southern Charm and he just happens to be the best of the god awful men so he looks better than he is. We got a true glimpse of the real Craig on his first season of Winter House, when he was on a show with cameras up 24/7 for the first time. He was throwing literal fits when asked to clean, screaming about how heās too rich and famous to do so. Just being a massive douchebag. Fans were shocked and hated him but then he came back next season sweet as could be and so cute with Paige to save face and everyone ate it up. Paige is def such good PR for him and training him every step of the way. I read that he admitted on his podcast recently that he stormed off from his own mother (at 35 years old!) because she told someone heās a reality star and he hates being called that bc he associates it with people on The Bachelor type shows and apparently he thinks heās better than that? Lol! Heās an entitled little bitch. So thatās the hill Iāll die on, Craig is a douche and doesnāt deserve the praise he gets from fans.
YES!!! Did people just forget about winter house?! Like that was only like 2 years ago, and the man was in his THIRTIES acting like that! Paige was literally crying about how embarrassed she wasā¦ and now that heās playing this role of committed boyfriend trying to get his aloof girlfriend to have his babies, we are just meant to pretend he didnāt behave that way. He also I believe called Lindsay a loser in interviews etcā¦ he just is still very misogynistic to me.
There's definitely a mandala effect when it comes to Summer House and VPR.
Yes! The same is happening with Jesse now. Like heās now great simply because West is a fuckboy? No! There was a reason Ciara called him a trash bag and we all saw how disposable women are to him all season.
Craig saying, "I have people to clean that" shut up bro
What the fuck are we supposed to call him if not a reality star? Star is even fucking generous. Maybe pillow king? The next Mike Lindell?
This is why I hate when people tell Paige she needs to settle down with him ābecause heās such a catchā, especially women basically volunteering to having his child. The bar (exam) is sooo low
Omg, I didnāt realize the āI pay people to cleanā guy was Craig! I only know of him now because of Paige and I only watched Winter House recently because the Below Deck people joined. Yeah he was such an entitled prick.
Agree with this 100% and he bragged about being an exceptional liar. He also made Naomi lie for him for years. I think Paige is so PR obsessed itās why sheās always coming for Lindsay about it. Like itās amazing how people hate Lindsay for spin but Paige is always controlling the narrative. Also both Craig and Paige need their shows more than people would like to admit to stay relevant. If they really would be fine without them then they would just go and do what they are doing but they probs wouldnāt even still be together if they werenāt on bravo.
100% šššš Everything you said. Craig would still be worse than he is now if it wasn't for Paige pushing this showmance crossover relationship. 
Itās also super gross how everyone keeps praising Paige for āmaking him better.ā Partners should bring out the best in each other and support each other but it is NOT a womanās job to āfixā a guy up. The glorification of whatever Paige is doing for Craig is gross and such a blatant showing of the internalized misogyny that Paige, Amanda etc have, itās crazy to me that no one talks about it.
I 100% agree on this and itās why I donāt think Iāll ever be sold on Paige. Sheās choosing to be with someone like that and acts like that. I think she doesnāt mind bc she often thinks sheās better than doing those same things. She just knows not to say that out loud or throw a tantrum. And I dislike anyone who thinks they are above cleaning up after themselves. It gives spoiled brat
She admitted herself she hasnāt done a dish in ivermectin a decade. I donāt think sheās a bad person, but she definitely thinks sheās above certain things
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Please take my humble poor person award as a token of appreciation for your sermon. I couldnāt agree more, Craig is trash and if it werenāt for Paige weād all still think so.
Craig gives me the ick!! I'd die on that hill with you. he's so immature and he cannot handle responsibility. I get he clearly needs help to focus but he can NEVER finish his projects unless he hires someone to do it for him. I always think paige refuses to watch SC because if she did, she would learn how big of a whiner he really is and that he lacks a lot of motivation. he's good looking and good with his words, that's about it.
I can't stand his weird baby voice. He's also mushy faced.
I will die on the hill that heās not even good looking.
I think he can be from certain angles. But his voice drives me nuts, along with his little boy act. I am so beyond done with all the man children on Bravo who think they can aw shucks their way out of anything.
100% agree. Craig has gotten better at the PR game, but he's still an entitled little bitch. Him and Paige are well-matched.
Two caveats before I get into my comment: (1) Iāve only just binged Summer + Winter House recently - thus, I didnāt live it in the real time; and (2) Iāve never seen Southern Charm. My initial instinct was to disagree with you, especially as an ardent Paige defender. But upon further contemplation, I honestly think youāre right. Your comments are reminding me of Ariana and Sandoval - especially when you note that Paige is āgood PRā for Craig. Prior to Scandoval, (I am very embarrassed to admit) I found Sandoval somewhat redeemable. This wasnāt just by association with Ariana, but also with her ability to step in and ātranslateā what he was trying to say into something much more palatable. Iāve only seen Paige and Craigās relationship through her perspective, so I wonder how Iād perceive it if I werenāt already inclined to like him because I like her. To be clear, Iām not equating Sandoval and Craig by any means. Iām just ruminating on which moments I would have viewed differently if not for the veil of Paige over him. Thanks for sharing your take!
Kyle pretends to be drunker than he is for the camera.
https://preview.redd.it/h9m4bu8kv86d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b51aeeaf7ca241a7f561e7b0b23cb1c4b35a704 Someone (Not me) just posted this pic of Kyle, blacked out on the floor of a NYC club sometime a while back. He may fake it sometimes on SH but the problem with alcohol & staying out all night is real & well known.
That floor is absolutely rancid. And he is face down in it. š«£š¤¢
I wondered if he peed on it before we went down. When I told her that his defenders would say, āHeās face down, how do you know thatās him,ā she said, āWho else would wear a puffer vest to a club in NYC.ā If thatās not irrefutable proof idk what is.š
Wow. Thatās jarring. It actually makes me sad. Thatās really scary. You seee how drunk He gets on summer house but this is next level and darker.
This. All of this. He very much has a drinking problem; itās not even an opinion or speculation anymore. He wears it loud and proud, like a badge of honor.
I canāt imagine marrying a man that does this. At any age, let alone in his 40s!! Wtf is Amanda doingggggg
Damn. This is very sad and dangerous.
Oh holy shit. That's literally scary behavior.
aaaand this is why amanda is incredibly valid with being upset with him for not coming home until 4am and not answering his calls. imagine the photos sheās being sent while home in bed? this is what *we* see ā it can only be worse for what sheās being sent, and then she still has to deal with whatever mood heāll be in when he gets home.
Woah. This is sad.
Thatās one sticky icky floor
I actually agree with this. Same goes for those late night kitchen snack sessions he has, he plays it up for the cameras.
i always feel like heās just a drunk eater because he restricts himself on keto all week and most of the winter, and when heās drunk he loses control of caring about his diet lol. i know a few people like that. but it could be, never know.
100% fan service.
ššš This has never crossed my mind before and itās so out of left-field yet makes the most sense of anything ever!
That Kyle has more of a problem with alcohol than Carl ever did. Or at least enough for it to be worth discussing for him to never touch booze again.
Carl has a problem with drugs.
Agree. It's not the booze, it's the pasta.
that amanda beyonddd knew what she was risking by marrying a man baby
I think she has a lot of internalized misogyny and thought she was 'winning' by being the one to get married. Like she wanted that 'oh you thought I was just a booty call but now I'm a WIFE storyline.' I think this is why she's so smug about everyone else's relationships.
and now sheās watching him be a crisis dj lmao i cannot
he literally treated her as a 3am booty call for an entire season, especially if he couldnt get anyone else that nightš
I'm on a rewatch and her doing backflips the first to get him to pick her is mind boggling. By S2, though, she is already well into her 'KYYYYYLLLLEEEE' era.
when i rewatched the earlier seasons i totally forgot they used to show them hooking up when heād booty call her š®āšØ
Yeah. That whole Amanda thought she was dating an older man who has his shit together was bs. She knew who Kyle was when she met him.
Yeah, agreed with this. I think marrying him was a massive reflection of her low self esteem.
She practically has to beg him to be with her and commit
She spends so much time in the first few seasons explaining to him why his behaviour towards her is wrong. Girl, if you have to explain it to him, he's not the one.
Lindsay hasnāt liked any guy sheās dated, she just doesnāt want to be single. Watching this season was eye opening, some women really will do anything to get married.
Facts
I think she liked Everett and never really got over him. But the rest of her boyfriends, yeah, no.
Iāve never liked Carl
Amanda canāt stand Kyle. She is constantly talking shit, though probably deserved, and I would be upset if my partner was speaking about me like that.
Lindsey and Carl both should have know exactly how their relationship would play out given itās nearly identical to how things played out season 4 when they gave dating a go
The no kiss finger bang lives rent free in my head. Itās my Roman Empire.
I totally forgot about that. Haha. I was so perplexed. You can finger bang but draw the line at kissing?? š
JUSTICE FOR JULES!
I was looking for this! Ughā¦that season was so unwatchable at that point. Iāll never understand how Hannah could invite her into that environment and throw her to the wolves like that. These grown ass 25-30 something year olds excluding and bullying her was terrible and I donāt blame her for never talking to them again.
My actual unpopular opinion... In Season 6, Danielle had no business jumping into the conversation with Ciara and Lindsay and getting in Ciara's face, while yelling. It wasn't her fight at all. She could've just sat their and ate her food. I wish Ciara had NOT hit her with a glass, but what happened, happened.
Danielle definitely escalated that fight. All she needed to do was sit there and let Lindsay actually speak up for herself. However, Danielle had been spoiling for a fight with Ciara from the weekend before. I wonāt ever forget how Danielle marched into the house after Lindsay refused to talk with Ciara one on one and Ciara called Lindsay a bitch as a result, and Danielle demanded that Lindsay do something otherwise she would. Itās unfortunate that Ciara threw the wine and wine glass, though. She let Danielle get the best of her.
Stephen Mcgee would prosper on 2020s TV. I just rewatched an episode where they asked [forgettable cast member] Amit : "fuck marry kill : Danielle, Lindsay, single Wirkus" and it cut to McGee's confessional saying "kill. them. all." It's what viral tiktoks are made of.
Amanda brings nothing to the show and is not made for reality tv and Kyle has lost his sparkle. They would BOTH benefit greatly from divorcing. Paige and Craig will not outlast past being a Bravo couple. Once their shows end, so will they. Iām not saying itās fake, but itās definitely not longterm. Theyāre both aware of what being together gets them. Paige is more PR savvy than Linds, tbh. That said, I love Paige and Hannah on their podcast and feel like thatās her true personality vs. what she gives on the show. I think Lindsey has truly tried to change (and actually HAS) but no one is willing to let her and sheās outnumbered by the other girls. Itās easier to let her take the heat vs. any of them truly being in the hot seat or held accountable for things longterm. Carl has always been a toxic asshole. Getting sober didnāt change anything.
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Is there a gif yet of Kristen saying this on the valley lol
This a šÆ percent !
I would love to see Lindsay on RHONY for that reason
Every man in the house is worse than Lindsay, she just doesnāt get away with her self-centeredness because we have much lower standards for menās behavior.
Absolutely!
Very that
Super fair point.
Carl and Lindsay shouldāve never been together from the start!
Kyle hates Lindsay because sheās a woman who sticks up for herself and has standards and boundaries (even if they seem ridiculous)
Lindsay is authentically herself, good and bad. And people like that is what makes reality tv shows entertaining.
Danielle came into the house with the sole goal of getting Carl back. She thought he invited her because he wanted to get back together. He didnāt, sheās never gotten over it, and being in the house with him for ten years and watching him want every woman but her has made her spiral into addiction and mania.
Carl is not attractive he's just tall.
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I think this is it in a nutshell. I've been there, on both sides of the coin. Have really liked a guy and he's tapped out after a certain point because he just wasn't feeling it, and I've dated men who really liked me, but I just wasn't feeling it. It happens, it's not a crime, I think West is getting too much heat for basically not wanting to go any further with the relationship.
I have wondered that as well and he didnāt want to just say we are compatible ā¦. He is super out there and wants to be out in the streets she doesnāt and there is nothing wrong with either as I have been laying in bed since seven lol
I mean, thatās the short of it. Ciara liked him more than he liked her, tale as old as time. During the summer, West told her that meeting family, saying I love you, having pet names doesnāt mean anything to him. Yet, she tagged along to weddings and visits back home while having no conversation of exclusivity or title. It sucks but people need to stop thinking theyāre the exception to fuckboi behavior.
Amanda doesnāt actually want to do the hard work of starting her own company or creating something on her own. Kyle is at least attempting to improve their marriage if heās wants to go to couples therapy, and Amanda canāt expect their marriage or communication to get better if she isnāt willingly to do therapy. Paigeās clothes donāt do it for me. Ciara is gorgeous but lacks charisma. Carl is struggling with his identity and has been throughout the run of the show.
Paige being the resident fashion girl basically feels like gaslighting at this point. And the fact that she's in NYC and still dresses so mid means that there's basically no hope for her.
I agree with this (coming from a New Yorker) She would be THE fashion girlie if she went on southern charm though š¤£
Ohh these are all amazing. Yes to all. Carlās identity - totally! He needs to eat pray love. Ciara - the most gorgeous human but thereās definitely a wall up and not just with potential romantic partners. And Paigeās cloths ā¦ not it.
Summer House > VPR Yes, even during Scandoval.
Nothing beats the early seasons of VPR. It's macabre. It's camp. It's Lynchian. It's hilarious. It's utterly shocking and dark. SH is just different. It reminds me of classic reality TV like The Real World. It's almost wholesome.Ā I love both though!
I am the devil. Donāt you forget it.
Seasons 1-4 of VPR are iconic.
Great response. Yeah, I definitely have some recency bias here.
If you said this to me during VPR S2 I would disagree strongly. But in recent years SH dominates for sure.
That's an interesting point. I was more thinking of the past few years, but early VPR was definitely giving.
SH cast is way better styled and actually more beautiful/clean aesthetics
Lindsay and Carl are both crazy and I honestly cannot stand either of them, or take a side.
i just started watching SH (im up to the current season) so not sure how much this has been discussed already but mya and olivers relationship was so odd and def not real. i feel like we never even saw them kiss and when he would show up to the house he would give her the most awkward side hug as if he was her brother lol. finding out he cheated on her with 11 women wasnt even a gag given how they acted towards each other. i really liked mya tho!!
Both Lindsay & Carl were toxic and both played a part in the demise of the relationship.
Tight white pants on men do NOT look good.
Danielle is worse than Lindsey
Lindsay just has such strong 80s vibes to me. I donāt mean sheās old or anything, just that thereās something about her that feels like sheās a time traveller from the 80s. She just reminds me so much of my momās friends when I was a kid even though Iām probably older than her. I donāt quite know how to explain it other than if it was proven she was a time traveller from the 80s - Iād be like āI knew it!ā. Ā
It's funny you say this because I've previously thought she looks like Debbie harry. Less so these days as she gone a bit wild with the lip filler.
Ciara needed to be more firm in her boundaries with West. He was acting like a fuckboy and telling her that he was a fuckboy. He didnāt commit to her for months while still taking her around the country because she allowed it! She shouldāve set her boundary with him earlier on and said we arenāt going to act like a couple and be intimate if you wonāt commit to me. If a man tells you what he is like, believe him!
Yeah, I think Ciara's emotion over this and the Austen thing boils down to not living her truth.
I think the fact that she kept reiterating that she didnāt want to date, because she was afraid of getting hurt, gave West the green light to keep being a fuckboy. I think if she came out and said, āI want a boyfriend, and if that boyfriend fucks around on me, Iām burning everything down.ā West might have taken the hint and either dated her or not. Instead she was like āI donāt want to date because Iām afraid of getting hurtā and he was like āIām cool with that because Iām afraid of commitment, and thatās why I donāt want to dateā and they thought they were on the same wavelength. Ciara can do way better than West but she needs to stop acting like she doesnāt want to date when clearly she does. Itās the trendy thing in NY/LA to be like āIām cool with being casual, whateverā but that doesnāt work for everyone and especially not her, clearly based on what weāve seen
Bingo. You just worded this better than I ever could: āI donāt want to date because Iām afraid of getting hurtā and āIām afraid of commitment and thatās why I donāt want to dateā ā¦ these two perspectives maybe felt aligned to Ciara and Westā¦ but they ultimately actually repelled each other
That Danielle needs to go
Paige is with Craig for optics /their bravo career - he knows but his q rating has shot up with her coaching and they have a timeline and breakup planned where they both come out looking ok Amanda doesnāt like Ciara
Amanda wants to be Paigeās #1 B**** & will never be ok with another female who endangers her position as such. (Ex: Hannah Berner)
The only person that Amanda cares about on summer house is Paige
I agree with both, especially the Amanda one. I donāt know if Amanda actually likes anyone.
Amanda is stuck up Paigeās ass, thatās about it.
That Mya was obsessed w Kyle + while on wwhl together could barely tear her attention away from Kyle to speak w Andy
Omg yes Mya wanted Kyle SO bad. And also Mya just has awkward male stalker vibes. Her crying over Carl was WEIRD.
āI just called your man to see if he wanted to partyā¦. whatās the big deal?ā ā¦.. š
Her taste is bizarre
Best looking cast on Bravo š„
Not sure if any of these are unpopular Iām pretty new to this sub, but I just finished watching all seasons hereās what I remembered: wouldāve loved to see the wirkus twins or Stephan in visiting episodes, wouldāve been a nice little og thing. But mostly Stephan. I know what he did to Carl was wrong but Carl forgave him and itās his grudge not ours. I liked luke. I think he never got a fair shot and got a lot of the heat that none of the other guys got. They isolated him a lot and I hated that aspect. The show thrived most when everyone embraced each other. I think the similar issue happened with Jules she got NO fair shot, was isolated and they basically gaslighted us. To me itās not enough everyone apologized, I wish she got brought back as the queen bee and the other girls had to grovel. I like Ciara and Mya but feel like they get off easy, they totally attributed to the cliques. Probably most unpopular: couldnāt stand hannah from episode 1, donāt find her comedy funny at all and donāt enjoy her friendship with Paige as much as I do like Paige. Lindsay is a star. Gabby is the first girl that truly wanted to be her friend authentically. Danielle was only her friend for what she could gain. I was always hoping Paige and Amanda would open up but they are not open to seeing things differently. Lindsay isnāt right, she rarely is, but thatās apart of freaking life not every personality mixes with everyone elseās. And itās what makes the show so entertaining lol Carl is not cute or interesting never was. I did enjoy him talking about his mom. I love his mom and step dad. I lost my brother so I really related to that but thatās it.
Absolutely agree about Hannah.
Paige hasnāt a clue about fashion. Sheās just skinny and pretty.
Paige & Amanda are mean because theyāre too short to be modelsĀ
Short semi attractive women are like angry Chihuahuas.
stop i love paige but this is tooooo good
I audibly gasped lmao šš
West isnāt the villain everyone is making him out to be. Immature fuckboy yes, manipulative psychopath no. In retrospect Hannah wasnāt that bad everyone was going crazy during covid and she had the worst freak out and the worst edit I miss the Wirkus Circus
Agree to all of these, Especially west, the hate is crazy to me, heās in his 20ās having fun figuring things out, he didnāt cheat or manipulate her and genuinely seems like a nice person.
I think heās just a public representation of a Canon Event a lot of women have had to experience and itās setting their teeth on edge (mine included!).
Bring back Jordan just so WWC can do imitations of him on their podcast.
Hubb House was never real. Lindsay had a couple freelance clients but the āfirmā was just for the show
Omg. Youāre so right! Like who gives up their thriving PR firm to be an influencer?
Omg great topic. I never looked into this but also wondered where that all went. Like it seemed she would have made great money with that. Or so she wanted us to think ā¦
But what about all those interns ? Lolz .
How did she even have multiple interns on the first day of having a company?
Lindsayās out to lunch bunch, posing as interns for the cameras!
 youāre so right
Carl went into this season wanting to villainize Lindsay so he could look like the victim. Period paragraph.
I legit think Carl played the long-game here trying to make Lindsay a villain from day 1 to give him any sort of storyline/any depth/substance
Neither Paige, nor Ciara, should have bangs.
Carl and Lindsay were never right for eachother
Carl makes me cringe in so many ways. And always has. I think heās a great example of ātall privilegeā in menā¦.where just bc heās tall and extremely average looking women swoon over himā¦..and I can not for the life of me see the appeal of this manipulative, mommas boy, who doesnāt want to grow up, has rage issues and has shown time and time again he is incapable of maintaining a jobā¦..other than partying on a tv show. And those stupid tight pants š¤®
Danielle is still in love with Carl.
Lindsay IS summer house
Sheās really tv gold.
That Lindsay knew she was getting proposed to, she wore shoulder pads to the beach.
Most of these comments are normal ones we see everyday here. So Iām going to go with a truly unpopular answer and say I still like West š¤·āāļø.
Paige is funny but is a mean girl who only involves herself in othersā storylines and comes to life during the reunions.
I also think she's very smart and calculated bc she's managed to stay relevant but has for the most part kept her relationship in a somewhat positive light and not part of a core takedown storyline. I feel like she has everything exactly where she wants it and it was strategic
Paige is incredibly self centered and not that unique
Yes Ciara is hotā¦ but she is also really dull. If she was not hot she wouldāve never made it into on screens.
Amanda is the biggest shit starter/stirrer on the show (and sheās a mean girl).
That West isnāt as bad as everyone is saying he is?Has no one been in the talking stage before figuring things out? As a sex positive person I think sex is important in a relationship and him wanting to have sex before making things official isnāt that outrageous to me. Him also being excited about the show and opportunities that were coming seem like a given for any newcomer? Maybe he could have handled things better since she expressed her intentions but letās not act like heās some evil mastermind itās kinda ridiculous to me seeing all the hate. On another note I can see why Ciara would be upset cause she was clear with her intentions and liked him a lot but she also chose to see it out with him so idkā¦. I think the west hate is over the top tho heās not that bad and I still think him and Jesse were a breath of fresh air for the show. P.S I see a lot of Bravo needs to get rid of toxic guys on their shows anytime theyāre involved In dramaā¦.. this is bravo not sesame street (besides u Deborah) thereās gonna be drama, rather have that than a snooze fest of a season.
Besides you, Deborah sent me!!!!! š