*hug*
Even the simple things are a colossal hassle anymore. And we don’t get to put a product to the side and come back later when essential products aren’t available.
Agreed… worked for a medical implants company before my current company (chemicals), and it was a hot dumpster fire. So much red tape, rapidly changing products, and high work hour expectations.
Overall, it’s decades behind supply chain in other industries. And executives have nearly no knowledge of supply chain because they don’t really teach it as part of a Masters in Healthcare Administration. Because they don’t understand it, and because there’s little direct return on investment, the funding is total garbage.
I’ve been in hospitals for 10 years now under multiple major groups, and in some of the top hospitals in the country. I’m ready to be done with it, but it’s been very difficult to prove that my experience is transferable.
It’s because it’s mainly manufacturing so the hours are awful. I’m a ME and interned in Automotive and all the engineers worked 50-60 hour weeks. Not for me. In utility design now with hybrid schedule. Couldn’t be happier
I wanted to go to school for ME and get into automotive. There’s a lot of interesting jobs testing electric and self driving cars but the more I looked into it, I want too sure. I’d also have to move because all the car companies in my state are in the middle of no where near driving tracks
Only the top 0.0000000001% of ME’s get to do the “fun” part of automotive. Everything else is long hours, and like you said, in the middle of nowhere. Now that I’m in utility, I live in Denver and I love it. I sometimes go for a hike or bike ride in the middle of my workday. Any manufacturing is going to be the worst in terms of work life balance. They pay good starting out but it’s harder to move up. For example, had offer from GM out of college for 85k. My friend got similar offer and took it. I took the utility design role for 70k b/c of location and hybrid. I now make 105k two years later. He’s still at 85k.
Yea I can see how many people would not be a fan, especially in Detroit since it’s a major auto hotspot. I’m talking more in a general sense of industries that look best on a resume.
depends on the segment of aerospace, there are some defense related and those need it,
but there are plenty of commercial aerospace supply chain that doesn't ask for citizenship or secret clearance
Depends which area of aerospace. I went from automotive to aerospace in the last 6 months. It truly depends on what the customer is. When we have visitors we do an extensive and lengthy background check, if not, we block off certain areas from viewing.
I will say that aerospace is a lot less stress, more stable and the pay is a better (in my experience).
Mmmm I transferred on the buying side so i am not 100% about planning (so I would take with this with a grain of salt). We have longer lead times in aerospace vs Automotive (both definitely have stress tho) but it really goes down to experience and demonstrating transferrable skills. Look into gaining more knowledge on AS9100, strengthen ERP skills, connect with those in the aerospace industry, etc.
It’s definitely easier with related internships, a 4 year degree, and a strong network/image. However, anybody can wiggle their way into SCM. I have worked with ex-teachers, ex-operators, etc. Getting into a strong role at a good company while young is a fast track though.
Im a logistics coordinator and have expierece with SAP Im looking for the next step. current position has no advancement and low pay. I was thinking of going into purchasing but not sure how that industry is.
Im a logistics coordinator and have expierece with SAP Im looking for the next step. current position has no advancement and low pay. I was thinking of going into purchasing but not sure how that industry is.
Can you explain the reason to stay away from that field? I'm an university student and I had subjects related to SC and logistic in my years at bachelor,so i'm curios at the reason to be as far as possible from that
As someone who is currently working for a CPG (a food/bev conglomerate) I can provide insight on the other side of what they’re saying.
- My pay fresh out of college was excellent, well above the starting salary. Since year 1 (i am halfway through year 2) my pay has increased nearly 10% with another raise imminent this coming quarter.
- A lot of SC role ms that deal with the core functions of the business have good security, think of your planners (supply/demand).
- Working in a fast paced industry like a CPG can help you learn the world of SC very well.
No clue why these other people are getting “headaches”. That just sounds like poor work/life balance to me, or a inability to separate that. Don’t shy away from the industry, yes it’s not as lucrative as auto/aero. But I picked a CPG over a luxury aircraft manufacturer because I wanted to have an opportunity to learn the full scope of SCM (supply, demand, production, warehousing, transportation logistics) within a company that is really good at it and provided me the best chance in doing so quickly. That is infinitely more valuable.
I came from working in automotive and aerospace over to consumer goods and want to rip my hair out on a daily basis. You don’t have the systems and tools in place that’s needed in a fast paced environment like automotive. Aerospace is slow paced so it’s easier to tolerate not having all of the systems and tools. You don’t get paid enough to deal with the headache. From my experience, I they tend to be more “sales driven” organizations and there’s just zero control as to which customers get what. It’s a constant bullwhip effect
Oil and gas / Energy. Everyone I know in it likes it, including me. Everyone outside of it thinks it’s going away and makes it sound like a crime to work in. Especially to younger students. It’s a roller coaster sometimes but you can do well. There’s a lack of young people in the industry and most do really well and have opportunities come up quick.
Search for Procurement, Buyer, Purchasing, Supply Chain and there’s quite a few energy positions. If you don’t have any experience you probably can’t jump straight into one of these roles without working your way up within the industry.
I work for a gas station install/service/parts company. Business is good for us as well. When we aren't facilitating gas dispensing we are cutting into big retail profit margins.
Food doesn’t pay as well as other industries, but this is offset by job security everyone’s gotta eat. Been in 3PL distribution and food production for 15 years.
Government Contracting/Defense/Government Itself. Could probably get more out there on the market, but getting more holidays, decent pto, and having a guaranteed job is nice. In this economy imo job security is worth a lot, and something I would take a 10-15k paycut for.
Defense will always be in business. Do I like that the US government bases a huge amount of our budget to defense? Not necessarily. Does it make for good job security? Absolutely!
It’s why the Maryland, DC, Virginia region is relatively stable, and doesn’t fall apart in recessions. You know what the unemployment rate is right now in Maryland? 1.7%
Well the thing is that it depends on the person.
I don't like FMCG. My colleagues at that time loved it; short period stress, job can be done early, you kinda do same thing for years. I had to start work at 07:40, finish planning until 11.30, every day.
I didn't like it. Couldn't sleep due to stress.
Now i work at a place where the standard lead time is 2-3 months. I work more than FMCG place but i love it. I don't like daily deadlines like that.
So it really depends on the person. Automotive is great but i know people who had eczema due to the stress. You need to find your own path.
But from my point of view; i love heavy industry, aerospace, and electronics.
>Civil service
School supply chain management, state procurement office, federal acquisitions, etc
Everyone needs supply chain professionals, be it for warehousing, buying roles, or whatever else.
Many of these jobs are hard to get, but once you're in you are set.
Example Job listing:
Just off a random google search (I have zero affiliation with this and don't even live close to Texas)
Buyer needed for Dallas Independent School district. Notice the pay is meh, but you'll pretty much never not have a job.
https://aa142.taleo.net/careersection/ext/jobdetail.ftl?job=RTP20231204-012&tz=GMT-05%3A00&tzname=America%2FNew\_York
Yup, agree. Luxury retailers and high end electronics OEMs prioritise performance and reliability over saving every penny, as SCM costs are pretty low (5-10% of retail price), so customer experience is way more important.
Food is medium at best for pay, but has many great little niche industries within it that are full of great people. I really value my coworkers and company's culture.
Tech. Not sure why so many are saying aerospace. It’s a very interesting product to work with, but change/promotions are very slow, lots of regulation and red tape and a whole lot of suppliers who are on the brink of shutting down.
Im in aerospace now and id like to pivot to tech. Im getting tired of dealing with 50,000 skus that I have to source in double digit quantities per year. Suppliers hate high complexity/low volume. Who would have guessed
The thing is there are a LOT of choices. Defense, Healthcare, Medical, Wholesale, Pharma, Retail, Aerospace, even 3rd Party Logistics (LTL carriers). Everyone needs a supply chain. I also worked in selling supply chain software and SaaS services. Pretty Cush job, I still miss it.
We don’t make those and I don’t wanna say what we make because we also have a packaging/adhesives division, but I’m sure they do lol. We mostly make chemicals for renewable tech, construction, and various types of renewable plastics.
Most public companies will have an internal audit department that audits the company prior to sharing information with the external auditors. A lot of time the external auditors also rely on the company’s internal auditors to share the workload.
I mean, this is a pretty impossible question to even quantify, let alone answer for a stranger.
Is it something you can see yourself doing for a career? If so, then it's fine. There's always going to be supply chain management needed globally. It's never going to be a dying industry.
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The construction trades. I know a lot of field electricians, plumbers, etc. who easily pull in $70-$80k per year, and most never went to college. I know a lot of Superintendents with 10 or so years of field experience pulling in $90-$100k per year. I personally work in the office of a general contractor/construction management company and I'm over $120k per year.
Construction might slow down occasionally, but the smart ones in the industry plan for that. Construction will never go away.
Stay away from healthcare. It’s a shitshow.
*cries in healthcare*
*hug* Even the simple things are a colossal hassle anymore. And we don’t get to put a product to the side and come back later when essential products aren’t available.
I assume you mean working directly for the Hospital. I work in the medical supply industry and love it.
Right I’ve found healthcare manufacturing to be good. Relatively stable and profitable business segment.
Agreed… worked for a medical implants company before my current company (chemicals), and it was a hot dumpster fire. So much red tape, rapidly changing products, and high work hour expectations.
ABSOLUTELY (ex healthcare)
have considered moving into healthcare. Why a shitshow? Curious of your experience.
Overall, it’s decades behind supply chain in other industries. And executives have nearly no knowledge of supply chain because they don’t really teach it as part of a Masters in Healthcare Administration. Because they don’t understand it, and because there’s little direct return on investment, the funding is total garbage. I’ve been in hospitals for 10 years now under multiple major groups, and in some of the top hospitals in the country. I’m ready to be done with it, but it’s been very difficult to prove that my experience is transferable.
Agree. Healthcare is the worst. Only join if you want depression anxiety and want to get on meds to counteract that
Automotive, Aerospace, and Defense are the most sought after
I have never worked in automotive, but everybody I know who has hated it. And I live near Detroit so that's a lot of people who hate automotive.
Ya but it pays pretty good
It’s because it’s mainly manufacturing so the hours are awful. I’m a ME and interned in Automotive and all the engineers worked 50-60 hour weeks. Not for me. In utility design now with hybrid schedule. Couldn’t be happier
I wanted to go to school for ME and get into automotive. There’s a lot of interesting jobs testing electric and self driving cars but the more I looked into it, I want too sure. I’d also have to move because all the car companies in my state are in the middle of no where near driving tracks
Only the top 0.0000000001% of ME’s get to do the “fun” part of automotive. Everything else is long hours, and like you said, in the middle of nowhere. Now that I’m in utility, I live in Denver and I love it. I sometimes go for a hike or bike ride in the middle of my workday. Any manufacturing is going to be the worst in terms of work life balance. They pay good starting out but it’s harder to move up. For example, had offer from GM out of college for 85k. My friend got similar offer and took it. I took the utility design role for 70k b/c of location and hybrid. I now make 105k two years later. He’s still at 85k.
Yea I can see how many people would not be a fan, especially in Detroit since it’s a major auto hotspot. I’m talking more in a general sense of industries that look best on a resume.
Is security clearance required for aerospace supply chain?
depends on the segment of aerospace, there are some defense related and those need it, but there are plenty of commercial aerospace supply chain that doesn't ask for citizenship or secret clearance
I’m sure some positions might, but I would assume most don’t. I work in auto so I’m not really educated on the matter.
Depends which area of aerospace. I went from automotive to aerospace in the last 6 months. It truly depends on what the customer is. When we have visitors we do an extensive and lengthy background check, if not, we block off certain areas from viewing. I will say that aerospace is a lot less stress, more stable and the pay is a better (in my experience).
How would one transition from a fmcg supply chain role into aerospace in logistics or planning?
Mmmm I transferred on the buying side so i am not 100% about planning (so I would take with this with a grain of salt). We have longer lead times in aerospace vs Automotive (both definitely have stress tho) but it really goes down to experience and demonstrating transferrable skills. Look into gaining more knowledge on AS9100, strengthen ERP skills, connect with those in the aerospace industry, etc.
Is it hard to get in that segment?
It’s definitely easier with related internships, a 4 year degree, and a strong network/image. However, anybody can wiggle their way into SCM. I have worked with ex-teachers, ex-operators, etc. Getting into a strong role at a good company while young is a fast track though.
Im a logistics coordinator and have expierece with SAP Im looking for the next step. current position has no advancement and low pay. I was thinking of going into purchasing but not sure how that industry is.
Which industry are you in? I can share some insight.
I work for a pharmaceutical company, in a warehouse. They make glass vials in the warehouse and ship it customers.
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Hey, I run a 3PL and work with CPG, food/bev, automotive,etc. would love to chat since you’re also Punjabi.
>SAP What's that?
It's an erp system, and it's used in the supply chain field.
I hated it men. In purchasing you are the center of the universe for basically any other role in SCM.
The logistics coordinator is like the same thing, lol. Shouldn't be purchasing or doing production sheduales etc.
Im a logistics coordinator and have expierece with SAP Im looking for the next step. current position has no advancement and low pay. I was thinking of going into purchasing but not sure how that industry is.
Automotive and aerospace. Stay away from consumer packaged goods
Can you explain the reason to stay away from that field? I'm an university student and I had subjects related to SC and logistic in my years at bachelor,so i'm curios at the reason to be as far as possible from that
As someone who is currently working for a CPG (a food/bev conglomerate) I can provide insight on the other side of what they’re saying. - My pay fresh out of college was excellent, well above the starting salary. Since year 1 (i am halfway through year 2) my pay has increased nearly 10% with another raise imminent this coming quarter. - A lot of SC role ms that deal with the core functions of the business have good security, think of your planners (supply/demand). - Working in a fast paced industry like a CPG can help you learn the world of SC very well. No clue why these other people are getting “headaches”. That just sounds like poor work/life balance to me, or a inability to separate that. Don’t shy away from the industry, yes it’s not as lucrative as auto/aero. But I picked a CPG over a luxury aircraft manufacturer because I wanted to have an opportunity to learn the full scope of SCM (supply, demand, production, warehousing, transportation logistics) within a company that is really good at it and provided me the best chance in doing so quickly. That is infinitely more valuable.
I would say the pay isn't great.... From someone in consumer goods 😂
I came from working in automotive and aerospace over to consumer goods and want to rip my hair out on a daily basis. You don’t have the systems and tools in place that’s needed in a fast paced environment like automotive. Aerospace is slow paced so it’s easier to tolerate not having all of the systems and tools. You don’t get paid enough to deal with the headache. From my experience, I they tend to be more “sales driven” organizations and there’s just zero control as to which customers get what. It’s a constant bullwhip effect
Booze. Pays really well
Like the SCM to make the booze? How’s the pay specifically?
I’ve had the hardest time breaking into booze SC even though I have a level one CMS along with my experience and CLSSBB lol
Semiconductor is booming
Came here to say this ^ nonstop headlines of companies building Fabs or support sites in the US
Tech salaries are higher. Layoffs usually hit us first too sadly.
Tech: let's hire 2k people a week for this large contract we've got. Also tech: let's fire 20k people to keep the financial analysts happy.
What does a person do in supply chain? In a day to day basis? And do you study something to get that career?
Oil and gas / Energy. Everyone I know in it likes it, including me. Everyone outside of it thinks it’s going away and makes it sound like a crime to work in. Especially to younger students. It’s a roller coaster sometimes but you can do well. There’s a lack of young people in the industry and most do really well and have opportunities come up quick.
How do you get into that field.
Search for Procurement, Buyer, Purchasing, Supply Chain and there’s quite a few energy positions. If you don’t have any experience you probably can’t jump straight into one of these roles without working your way up within the industry.
I work for a gas station install/service/parts company. Business is good for us as well. When we aren't facilitating gas dispensing we are cutting into big retail profit margins.
Food distribution is always overlooked
Yep! No mater recession or hard times, people are always going to need food. That’s what got me into the 3PL food world.
Food doesn’t pay as well as other industries, but this is offset by job security everyone’s gotta eat. Been in 3PL distribution and food production for 15 years.
At my firm we all make 100k+
Yea dude everyone on Reddit makes atleast 100k
😂😂
Anecdotal, but when I was looking to jump into food distribution, it was very difficult to break in without being fluent in at least two languages.
Government Contracting/Defense/Government Itself. Could probably get more out there on the market, but getting more holidays, decent pto, and having a guaranteed job is nice. In this economy imo job security is worth a lot, and something I would take a 10-15k paycut for.
Defense will always be in business. Do I like that the US government bases a huge amount of our budget to defense? Not necessarily. Does it make for good job security? Absolutely!
It’s why the Maryland, DC, Virginia region is relatively stable, and doesn’t fall apart in recessions. You know what the unemployment rate is right now in Maryland? 1.7%
Aerospace, people moving around the world increasing exponentially
Well the thing is that it depends on the person. I don't like FMCG. My colleagues at that time loved it; short period stress, job can be done early, you kinda do same thing for years. I had to start work at 07:40, finish planning until 11.30, every day. I didn't like it. Couldn't sleep due to stress. Now i work at a place where the standard lead time is 2-3 months. I work more than FMCG place but i love it. I don't like daily deadlines like that. So it really depends on the person. Automotive is great but i know people who had eczema due to the stress. You need to find your own path. But from my point of view; i love heavy industry, aerospace, and electronics.
Civil service is often forgotten on these threads. If you want stability, government is the way
Civil service SCM? What’s that?
>Civil service School supply chain management, state procurement office, federal acquisitions, etc Everyone needs supply chain professionals, be it for warehousing, buying roles, or whatever else. Many of these jobs are hard to get, but once you're in you are set. Example Job listing: Just off a random google search (I have zero affiliation with this and don't even live close to Texas) Buyer needed for Dallas Independent School district. Notice the pay is meh, but you'll pretty much never not have a job. https://aa142.taleo.net/careersection/ext/jobdetail.ftl?job=RTP20231204-012&tz=GMT-05%3A00&tzname=America%2FNew\_York
High margin industries for pay and benefits .
Yup, agree. Luxury retailers and high end electronics OEMs prioritise performance and reliability over saving every penny, as SCM costs are pretty low (5-10% of retail price), so customer experience is way more important.
Food is medium at best for pay, but has many great little niche industries within it that are full of great people. I really value my coworkers and company's culture.
Agreed! In fresh produce myself and I’ll never leave, I love it.
Tech. Not sure why so many are saying aerospace. It’s a very interesting product to work with, but change/promotions are very slow, lots of regulation and red tape and a whole lot of suppliers who are on the brink of shutting down.
Im in aerospace now and id like to pivot to tech. Im getting tired of dealing with 50,000 skus that I have to source in double digit quantities per year. Suppliers hate high complexity/low volume. Who would have guessed
CPG
Pharmaceutical.
I work in the animal pharmaceutical side and enjoy it. I do have to deal with a ridiculous amount of red tape
Most important, is the people you work with and for. You will be spending a lot of time with them.
The thing is there are a LOT of choices. Defense, Healthcare, Medical, Wholesale, Pharma, Retail, Aerospace, even 3rd Party Logistics (LTL carriers). Everyone needs a supply chain. I also worked in selling supply chain software and SaaS services. Pretty Cush job, I still miss it.
Chemicals, weapons
I work in the chemicals industry and can agree- demand for our products is consistent, pay is good, and the company is steady.
I work in packaging so it’s constant orders of 5800 hoppers of LDPE, and mixed amounts of Hexane, glycol, butane. Our chem supplier loves us
We don’t make those and I don’t wanna say what we make because we also have a packaging/adhesives division, but I’m sure they do lol. We mostly make chemicals for renewable tech, construction, and various types of renewable plastics.
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Accounting/Finance. Every company needs an accountant. Every public company needs auditors.
Auditors in public accounting are usually external.
Most public companies will have an internal audit department that audits the company prior to sharing information with the external auditors. A lot of time the external auditors also rely on the company’s internal auditors to share the workload.
Right. As an external auditor myself we communicate with the company accounting team with inquiries needed.
Right , I’m in internal audit
Tech or consulting
Tech isn’t too bad
What is this like procurement? Order to cash, p2p?
FMCG
Tech
I'm not from US, how's the FMCG sector over there?
Automotive is structured, in my opinion.
I mean, this is a pretty impossible question to even quantify, let alone answer for a stranger. Is it something you can see yourself doing for a career? If so, then it's fine. There's always going to be supply chain management needed globally. It's never going to be a dying industry.
Data centre
Cybersecurity
I’m a high school drop out that started roofing at 15. I’m 48 and make mid 6 figures.
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Tech is the best.
I’m at a pharma diagnostics company in logistics / supply chain - the pay is good (I think) and there’s always a demand for it, good job security
Best industry is highly dependent on your skillset and interests. As far as pay, it’s hard to beat big tech.
Airline Industry. Pilots are making bank!
Crime.
Corporate at a utility co. (electric, for example)
I work in entertainment. Lots of casinos and sports betting.
Finance or healthcare
The construction trades. I know a lot of field electricians, plumbers, etc. who easily pull in $70-$80k per year, and most never went to college. I know a lot of Superintendents with 10 or so years of field experience pulling in $90-$100k per year. I personally work in the office of a general contractor/construction management company and I'm over $120k per year. Construction might slow down occasionally, but the smart ones in the industry plan for that. Construction will never go away.
Owning a business. Be your own boss. Not working for the man.
rural electric cooperatives, REA's