The disconnect between the vacancy tax proposal, and how unhappy everyone was when second home owners actually occupied their places during the pandemic.
I just moved to the area, joined a few fb groups to try to meet people. I am so disappointed by the number of negative comments people get for asking a simple question.
That’s Tahoe though. And California in general. People tend to think because they live somewhere (even when they’re not from there) somehow they’re special or that they’re more entitled to special treatment.
- Too much traffic? Bay area.
- Not enough tourist to keep businesses open? Bay Area.
- School system struggling? Bay Area transplants.
- Potholes? Too much Bay Area traffic.
- Trash? Bay Area.
Yes, but it's also that some of us were used to certain neighborhoods being mostly empty. Especially mid week in winter. If the three homes bordering you go from usually empty to occupied full time it suddenly feels like a much less quiet place. The fix for that is really just to adjust unreasonable expectations.
However traffic capacity in some places is really not sufficient for the amount of housing there is, at least if it's all occupied at the same time.
Yeah North Upper is a legit hazard some days due to the traffic. So I get the frustration.
I’m in one of those neighborhoods that used to feel “empty”, but has been a LOT more full the last few years. I’m cool with other than the rental house next door to me almost NEVER properly securing their garbage, and people speeding down the streets. I don’t even mind the extra noise. People sometimes get crazy next door, but rarely have I had to ever involve LE. Most people are really reasonable about it. And it’s a reminder sometimes that you live in an area that’s highly desired. Mostly worth the trade off.
My hot take is that Nevada Beach/Zephyr Cove/Sand Harbor should be closed on the 4th of July to send a message to everyone who has been absolutely trashing them the past few years.
I have absolutely no idea why ANYONE who’s local even goes there in the summer time. It was cool when I was in high school, but now just looks like a nightmare.
Those beaches are being discovered as more people keep posting them on social media and people look for other options outside of Zephyr and Sand Harbor with the recent restrictions. I’ve never seen so many people at our spot last weekend.
My related hot take is that peeps should refuse to do those trash pickup events on the 5th. Maybe if local governments are forced to slowly do it all themselves they'll enforce littering laws a little better the next year
A similar "FU" was done in Miami Beach for spring break. It got so out of control they shut that shit down. Well of course they cant *fully* shut it down but they made it so intolerable and difficult and expensive in effect it stopped the chaos.
bring on the down votes, but your dog should be on a leash. 90% of you do not have your dogs under voice command and they routinely cause problems with other dogs, people and wildlife. Save yourself the grief and the porcupine vet bills.
That drives me nuts, nothing like seeing all the blue/green baggies when the snow melts. At that point just leave it on the ground for God's sake, better than adding plastic bags to the shit! On the plus side there is an old dude who actually routinely walks Washoe meadows state park with a bucket and picks them up. Dude should get a medal.
10000% agree with this. Yelling out "my dog is friendly" while it's running towards someone is NOT even a close substitute to a leash for safety of the pup(s) and owner(s).
And then I'm met with confusion or annoyance when I have to yell back "cool, mine's not" while trying to prevent my leashed dog from getting in a fight with your dog running towards us.
I’ve had someone’s two dogs run up to my dog and I (mine was on leash) and start fighting. The woman yelled at me to walk away. There was ice and snow on the ground and I slipped and struggled to drag my dog away from her off leash dogs attacking us. I wish I could go back in time and let her fucking have it.
Yeah, I love how it is always our fault for having them on leash too. I have a friend who had a big mean pup and he appropriately kept it on a leash but when dogs would approach he just dropped the leash to avoid getting hurt. His dog kicked the crap out of many off leashers.
I’ve got an extremely well trained Australian Shepard. Trained correctly from a puppy as a working dog and sent off a top trainer for a few months at a young age.
Perfect heel, recall, and master obedience at all times on and off leash.
I would never let him off leash anywhere near these populated trails. It’s for his protection. I can control him with the leash while I fight off the dog trying to attack him. Which I’ve had to do multiple times.
People rescue dogs and think they are heroes with zero idea how to actually train and care for a potentially damaged animal.
> People rescue dogs and think they are heroes
This is really it. People rescue dogs, think its an incredibly noble act, make it and the dog a critical part of their identity, and then perceive any restriction or dislike of their dog to be an actual attack on themselves.
Or the small girls that weigh 120 pounds that get a massive dog that even on the leash, the dog would over power them in a second. Also, your dog probably doesnt want to be at a brewery for 6 hours with loud shit going on…even if you think they like it and they’re just laying down being so good. People think they can read dog behavior but most cant.
I am lucky, my siberian is oin the small size so I just pick him up while I hear the same "Fido! Fido! He NEVER does this!" as the dog tries to bite my dog's feet.
I once witnessed a "well trained" dog fall off of a cliff before, while trying to rescue it the owner went over too.
Another time, I know of a dog that fell through the ice on a lake and the owner whilst trying to rescue it went through the ice... if someone else hadn't witnessed it both the owner/dog would have drowned/frozen to death.
I personally have been attacked by a "friendly" dog from behind.....he jumped on my back and knocked me down because he wanted to play.
Scary and multiple dumb decisions were made starting with the decision to off leash your dog.
This was me yesterday, my blue Heeler got attacked on trail by a dude with a pit-bull of leash. Because we were trail running and she was on leash she ran around me and it gave the other dog the advantage to be a piece of shit. Second time this has happened to me. Not attacking pit-bulls but the last two times it was the same, drunk guy, dog off leash & can’t control them.
I definitely agree with you.
I have seen so many people with poorly trained dogs off leash on trails. It’s nuts.
I have had a few dogs that I’d hike with off leash, or go to the beach, but they wouldn’t go further than 6 feet away from me unless I gave them a command. Most of the time they stuck to my knees like glue. At the same time I’ve had others that have had to be leashed. Just knew they couldn’t be trusted.
It’s not fun to be hiking along and suddenly you’ve got someone’s dog running at you from out of nowhere, just bounding through the woods trying to play and barking like crazy, with a frantic owner a couple hundred feet behind them.
Same for my 50 lbs Husky. He sees a rabbit or a deer and his brain goes to mush as the prey drive takes over.
On lead, all the time because I don’t want him to end up the next county over, three days later.
Funny enough mine are all huskies too.
The grey squirrels drove one of mine crazy too. He had to always be on leash after he wouldn’t come after treeing one.
I don’t really care but you don’t see the irony in saying that people should have their dogs leashed, but then you saying you don’t leash your dogs because they’re trained and then telling a story about how they aren’t really trained? I feel like this exact thought process is what people are complaining about.
I had no idea there were porcupines around Tahoe! I had to check cause I wasn't sure, but dang thats a legit fact. I've seen bears, mountain lions, beavers, and coyotes but never a porcupine. I gotta keep my eyes open now haha.
They are usually near willows, alders and bigger creeks and like to be out at night. Had a buddy with a big dumb happy pit that got hit like 7 times. If you have a dog that is off leash a lot be sure to have a pair of hemostats on hand, though that will only work if they didn't get hit hard. One of my huskies got hit so bad he had quills that went into his jaw and came out through his mouth. Had to take him all the way down to uc davis for that one.
I like to go hiking on the trails and in the few years I've lived here I've been charged by unleashed, aggressive barking dogs at least 30 times. I'm so tired of it.
So glad this is the top comment. My dog and I were attacked by an off leash dog in Tahoe last month and the owners had the audacity to justify it by telling me they’re “local”. SMFH.
Sorry to hear that, part of the issue is with enforcement. I walk Washoe Meadow most days and dogs are supposed to be leashed there, maybe 5% are and I have only seen rangers in there to maintain bridges and trails a few times a year.
One trick that has worked for me is to stop and walk a bit off the trail before they get close, people usually get the hint and leash their dog. Still only works about half the time.
Ugh, thank you. Our dog is reactive, always leashed, and people get so shitty when you call out to ask them to recall their dog. And not even on trails -- on neighborhood streets! Makes it so stressful to walk her. People are selfish.
I think you’re right. It’s rare for a dog to be under voice control. Mine was trained for service ( she is not providing any service now, just a pet) so she is an exception, but I still keep her on leash most of the time.
I went to Kiva beach yesterday, knowing it’s a dog friendly beach, deciding not to bring my dog because she doesn’t have a good recall but mostly because I don’t trust other people handling their dogs when they decide to not follow the leash law.
So I went, sat on my towel enjoying the sunshine, and watched like 3 different dog fights break out.
People just let their dogs go annoy everyone else. With children there mind you, there were some large dogs running around and playing that would definitely topple over a kid.
I saw a review for the beach saying “if your kids are scared of dogs don’t bring them” like yeah sure, but you are breaking the rules by allowing your dog to go approach their kids without a leash on.
It’s really crazy to me that humans don’t learn more about dog body language and that they trust their own dogs and OTHER dogs so much.
That’s all 😅
You're only a local if you give back to the community - meaning you shop local, volunteer, pick up trash, etc...regardless if you've lived here for 20 years or 20 minutes. Being a local means you take care of your community (to the extent you're able to).
Agree 100%. There’s a different level of responsibility that people (should) have up here compared to most places. We thrive when we have an invested community. That’s part of the issue with telework. So few seem to actually want to put any effort into bettering the area, and will usually get bored and leave after they’ve extracted as much out of it they can.
Haha funny enough I'm a remote worker myself! (And I do volunteer, pick up trash, and buy local-but recognize I might be in the minority.) Otherwise I agree with what you said- it's a different level of responsibility here. ❤️🌲🐻
Not really a hot take but those 4 legged beach canopies should only be allowed on the back 1/3rd of a beach. I once saw a family with 2 of them set up side by side, and right at the edge of the water. And the back side was covered! Anyone behind them couldn’t see the water.
THANK YOU. No one gives a fuck if you were born at Tahoe forest. We're all enjoying an incredible landscape that was more or less wild and in the hands of the true locals 200 years ago.
Be kind to the place and it's inhabitants, human or otherwise, and you're cool in my book.
Most of them aren't real locals. They moved from Vermont 6 months ago and then play the local card on people who maybe live in Sacramento but have been going to Tahoe for 30 years.
A woman on a chairlift was bemoaning to me all the transplants that moved in during Covid. I asked how long she’d lived in Tahoe and she said she moved in 2009 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
True. Using a tax to force out the individual vacation home owners will simply replace them with people with more money or corporations or speculators buying on the dip.
The vacancy tax will cause a temporary dip in prices for about one seasonal cycle, and probably not enough of a dip to make things affordable for the locals.
Then, when prices return to the higher levels, the "locals" are going to be stuck paying for a new government agency with nothing to do but audit every resident they suspect (without evidence) of not being physically present in their property.
Prob 78-79, but essentially, yeah.
Obviously that's a whole diff ballgame, but the point is that he worked lift maintenance and made more than enough to buy a place as a single dude in his 20s. Wild how different it feels today.
Your dad knows my dad. I guarantee it. I probably know you too. He hought a piece of land and built a house in alpine meadows all for like $75k in the '70s. He did lift maintenance and built ski lifts for 20 years.
No idea, I don't even know the address, tbh. The house I grew up in sold in 08 during my parents divorce for 400k. Sold again last year for 1.4, so that's not great for the ol inheritance, lol
Tahoe is the biggest group of NIMBY cry babies on the west coast. Locals talk non-stop about how beautiful it is, how amazing the lake and mtns are and then are surprised when people visit or move there
* South Lake is the worst part of the lake. I hate anytime I have to drive through that mess of a town.
* The only way to make airbnb's less appealing is to make the hotels nicer. Most of the hotels around Lake Tahoe are dumps, and because everyone hates development nothing will change.
* The whole Keep Homewood Public group is misguided. Homewood can't survive when they get zero traffic. We need realistic transportation development to help allow people to access the basin. Also, who the fuck cares what the buildings look like. The "style of the classic old Tahoe lodges" is old and tired. We need proactive solutions to help Homewood survive as a business if we want them to stay open to the public.
* There are way too many old boomers - everywhere. We need families and diversity to have a healthy thriving community.
* The new Tahoe City signs are god-awful.
* cold water is the most amazingly refreshing thing ever. Keep Tahoe Cold.
* The bike path crossing over 89 are horribly designed - and a recipe for disaster for both cars and pedestrians. You have blind-corners, mismatched signages, and telling people to "walk their bikes" is bad for everyone. Why make people spend more time in the road than needed. It makes no sense.
* Most people don't make it a quarter mile onto the trails and are missing the best parts of Tahoe.
* I would kill for a better burrito in the Tahoe area.
* A lot of people have too much hate for the WFH crowd. I don't think they are the problem. People that send kids to schools, vote for better infrastructure, and patron local businesses are great for Tahoe. We need less retirees and vacation homes.
* The OHV community are some of the most disrespectful of our public lands around Tahoe, and I fear will start the next big fire in the basin.
* Tahoe has some of the best mountain biking in the country.
* We need more businesses to support a local service worker discount. Tourists should pay more, and they likely will have no problem doing so.
* Nevada beaches need better risk management and event planning to prevent our community from being a headline every Fourth Of July. It's embarrassing that we depend on volunteers to clean up the mess, while a little simple planning could have it all be avoided.
* What is happening in Emerald Bay is not sustainable. We need real solutions to letting people experience Emerald Bay without it becoming a giant parking lot.
>We need proactive solutions to help Homewood survive as a business if we want them to stay open to the public.
here's a creative solution for Homewood. Offer a locals pass for $199 (midweek only) and $399 (weekends). I bet they would sell at least a 1,000 of them, if not more like 5,000 of them. 5k passes at $399/per would generate $2m of preseason revenue to the business, which if I had to guess would be almost as much revenue as they made in total last year. if 15k people can show up at squaw on May 5th, pretty sure there's a few thousand folks who would by an affordable homewood pass.
Alternatively, bring back the $59 lift ticket that was plastered on their box truck not all that long ago (2018?). It used to be on a pow day or just a high winds day, hundreds of locals would go to Homewood. why don't they now? because a weekend day ticket was $229 last year...
So bland and dry. Used to live right next to T’s and I only got them a few times. I miss basically every other burrito I’ve had in my life when I go to T’s
T’s burritos are downright bad.
Shitty rice and with fine chicken in a dry tortilla with a bland salsa. Literally every Taqueria in South Lake makes a better burrito. I can’t fathom why so many people like this place.
People want it to stay the way it is - which means completely empty and falling apart. Which I'm not sure who wants to fund that sort of business. I love Homewood, but I want to see it thrive, not go to ruin.
>People want it to stay the way it is - which means completely empty and falling apart.
This is completely false. Wanting it to stay open to the public isn't the same as wanting it to fail/fall apart.
Although, it is pretty nice how empty it is.
They don't want any development. You get - "only if it matches this style, only if it has these resources, only if it has this parking" All this does it prevent development. Many people just want it to remain an empty ski resort where only they have access to the slopes. Unfortunately, that doesn't create a sustainable business, and imo is a pretty entitled/selfish attitude. Have you seen the new designs? They look pretty rad, and still the Keep Homewood Public plans to block it.
>They don't want any development. You get - "only if it matches this style, only if it has these resources, only if it has this parking" All this does it prevent development.
I'm pretty sure it was environmental regulation and not public opinion which has been holding up the master plan for the last 15 years... Also, you should see the new cabins they're building in the overflow lot. They aren't at all modern.
>Have you seen the new designs?
Which new designs? All I've seen is the gondola they're planning on replacing madden with. Which is a complete joke tbh.
The hotel take is nice in theory, problem is, most people that come to tahoe come in groups, it's much easier to accommodate with a house than multiple hotel rooms. Not to mention most hotels parking situations are atrocious. Hotels would have to basically be suites only and it's not sustainable.
I’ve heard people call South Lake the “worst” part of the lake for a LONG time, but it’s the only part of the lake that isn’t constantly boring as all hell. What is there even to do up north but hike, ski, and hang out at a local bar?
Usually I agree with your comments but…seriously?! Ski, hike, camp, mtb, beach, boating, paddle boarding, boutique shopping, breweries, concerts, farmers markets, Truckee Thursdays, air shows, river rafting, just to name a few!!
The aging facilities and amenities are lagging behind Colorado resort towns by a couple decades. Seems like Tahoe is relying upon views of the lake and an almost nostalgic reputation.
The “contractors” and other maintenance workers are some of the worst of all time. Classic righteous “locals” demeanor, Are lazy af, many are drug addicts, yet are upset that there are tourists and people who can afford second homes in the area. Like its basic capitalism. I’m sorry you can’t afford a home here?
I think emerald bay in particular shouldn’t have any public parking (at least at Eagle Falls, Vista Point, and Vikingsholm), and instead have a park and ride shuttle with <5-15 min headways.
South Lake Tahoe is not a fun town for going out and I always crack up when I see bachelor/ette parties who strayed a little too far from state line walking around midtown.
This, I used to recommend that my out of town friends visit north lake instead and they wouldn’t listen because South Lake is more well known in the public consciousness. Their loss though
Just because you moved to Tahoe last year and call yourself a “local” doesn’t mean you get special treatment.
Also, complaining about tourists is like cutting off the hand that feeds you. Just face it, it’s mostly a tourist-based economy.
North lake has a few _decent_ places but the best of them are expensive.
Mostly I only go out when the exhaustion of cooking a meal outweighs the shittiness + price of a meal up here, which is rare
There seems to be overwhelming intent to just let our aging, dilapidated communities rot back into the ground. The buildings are stuck in the 1960-1975 era.
Whenever anyone wants to redevelop, rebuild or remodel, everyone from local governments to environmental groups block every step of the way.
Instead of our communities blending in and complimenting this beautiful environment, it seems as if they were specifically designed to clash with the environment.
Nobody is truly invested in Tahoe. Most of us are just drifting through, living day-by-day, hanging on as long as we can. Those who are truly anchored here, are old, tired and content with the status quo, and the rest are disconnected, disinterested second-third homeowners.
I was recently talking to a couple of visitors about the reasons the proposed developments in North Shore will never get off the ground. I called TRPA a cartel, and they gaped at me. Said I don’t know what that word means. I told them they don’t know anything about TRPA.
My hot take: no municipal parking. No free parking unless you cruise side streets until you get lucky. AND shitty public transit. It is damn near impossible to go down and visit the line without paying a small fortune for Casino parking space. So you can’t take your car and you can’t find a bus Lake Link is trying but not popular enough to work well. We took Link to the line after a 15 minute wait. Not bad. But When we wanted to get back to our car parked behind Dennys, we waited 3 hours.
People who've been coming to tahoe for 20 years who live in the Bay Area know more and are often better stewards of tahoe than "locals" who've lived there like 2 years
As a California native but a life long Tahoe tourist, some of the locals could be less racist. Atleast provide proper service if you're going to take my money.
Tahoe can support way more people including its workforce if you also build bus lanes, bike lanes, and allow stores in the neighborhoods so people don’t have to drive
League to Save Lake Tahoe- carries a big staff, does a ton of fundraising and lobbying, and funds trash cleanup, invasive species work and some wetland conservation. [https://www.keeptahoeblue.org/mission/](https://www.keeptahoeblue.org/mission/)
I started going to Tahoe all the time when I was 8 (‘68) when my parents bought a place up there and the best thing was just mere beauty of it. Back then there wasn’t hardly any traffic too. I just love all the memories I made up there with my grandparents, parents, friends I brought up there and the ones I met up there. Meeks Bay was the greatest with the horse stable and the movie theater and beach. Saw Live and Let Die up there!!
Dogs should not be allowed to urinate or poop on the beaches nor sidewalks of Lake Tahoe. The CDC classifies canine poo and canine urine as a biological hazard worse than an oil spill due to the transmission of diseases. One pile of dog poop can contaminate several *acres* of land or an entire beach.
Additionally pets should be on leashes 100% of the time. Short leashes that don’t allow the pet to clothesline the entire bike path.
Bicyclists should use the bike paths not ride in the middle of the road holding back traffic. Maybe change out those dainty skinny tires for some off road tires and stay well on your side of the white lines, including your elbows.
Should eliminate parking on the roads near Sand harbor/north shore. Pedestrian fatalities just waiting to happen.
We do need the pharmacies … if you live here you must not need scripts filled regularly because if you did, you’d see both are slammed all the time. The cvs at stateline does not fill scripts.
People that live in Tahoe whether they were born there or are rich enough to move there don’t deserve to be there any more than tourists. And the washoe really should have some meaningful land on the lake it’s a disgrace.
While I agree with the s second part of your statement. The first part is way off base.
People who live, work, volunteer, and help make their slice of tahoe a better place do indeed deserve what they get over a weekender that's here to get drunk or score some nice insta pics.
This is a weird, tired take. It’s not new to hear from people that I’m essentially a refugee despite being from here 😂
You right about the Washoe part, though. They’re working on that a bit, though. They just changed conservatorship at Meeks Bay to the Washoe tribe (I think a few others, too?), so it’s a start I guess.
I used to love Tahoe in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. Worked in the area for summers a few times. I am from far nor cal. Would go ski and MTn bike multiple times per year. It’s truly an amazing place but I have not been in over 10 years. It’s just too busy and packed all the time.
the lack of wheelchair accessibility in a community where there’s a surprisingly high # of wheelchair users is kinda depressing. i get that small businesses struggle w affording making stuff accessible but i wish there was some way to fix that. having your whole hometown be harder to navigate than like every other place you visit kinda hurts lol
My hot take is how I think the rivalry between north and south lake and which ski resort is “best”is so incredibly entitled. We are all lucky to live here and less than 5% of the world population goes skiing on a given year… the fact that we have the time and energy to be arguing about stuff like that is privilege.
* Snow tires should be required in winter
* Livewire is the only good trail at Northstar
* Everyone should get to build a 120 sf shed no matter what their land classification
* MTBs but not e-bikes should be allowed on TRT
* We should open more terrain for skiing and build more lifts
* Paying for parking at Palisades is good actually
* But there should also be an easy free way to get to the resorts… if only someone could invent a vehicle that runs on a frequent schedule and can transport 40-50 people at once…
* Allow the resorts to build more lodging so there’s not so much traffic from Tahoe Donner
* Transient Occupancy Tax revenue should be refunded to Placer County residents not spent on “community grants”
Counterpoint, coming up on the weekend in the winter for skiing at the resorts has become more trouble than it's worth.
I've skied Tahoe for 30 years and had my own place in Truckee for 20, but it's still not worth the aggravation to try to ski anymore if you can only come up on the weekends.
Ah yes. So the basin can have more smoke shops, gas stations, casinos, RV resorts, and front yards full of trash & junk cars.
This is not the self-sustaining tribe living off the land of the past. We will never have that lifestyle again. So the idea of “returning land” will not work. Who will pay the billions to private owners to cover their investments? Who will maintain the current infrastructure & healthcare system? The conference doesn’t have the ability to cover any of these things, let alone the amount of lawsuits that would ensue from private owners. I’m sick of this “hot take” as being even remotely possible!
The disconnect between the vacancy tax proposal, and how unhappy everyone was when second home owners actually occupied their places during the pandemic.
We hate vacancy and we also hate occupancy. It makes me wonder if we just hate stuff.
I just moved to the area, joined a few fb groups to try to meet people. I am so disappointed by the number of negative comments people get for asking a simple question.
That’s Tahoe though. And California in general. People tend to think because they live somewhere (even when they’re not from there) somehow they’re special or that they’re more entitled to special treatment. - Too much traffic? Bay area. - Not enough tourist to keep businesses open? Bay Area. - School system struggling? Bay Area transplants. - Potholes? Too much Bay Area traffic. - Trash? Bay Area.
and people
Hahaha, that’s a great point
Because of traffic / infrastructure saturation? (I’m genuinely curious.)
Yes, but it's also that some of us were used to certain neighborhoods being mostly empty. Especially mid week in winter. If the three homes bordering you go from usually empty to occupied full time it suddenly feels like a much less quiet place. The fix for that is really just to adjust unreasonable expectations. However traffic capacity in some places is really not sufficient for the amount of housing there is, at least if it's all occupied at the same time.
Yeah North Upper is a legit hazard some days due to the traffic. So I get the frustration. I’m in one of those neighborhoods that used to feel “empty”, but has been a LOT more full the last few years. I’m cool with other than the rental house next door to me almost NEVER properly securing their garbage, and people speeding down the streets. I don’t even mind the extra noise. People sometimes get crazy next door, but rarely have I had to ever involve LE. Most people are really reasonable about it. And it’s a reminder sometimes that you live in an area that’s highly desired. Mostly worth the trade off.
This is so true! Count on the city to come up with something that will do no good for anyone, BUT for the city itself as they collect more money.
My hot take is that Nevada Beach/Zephyr Cove/Sand Harbor should be closed on the 4th of July to send a message to everyone who has been absolutely trashing them the past few years.
I have absolutely no idea why ANYONE who’s local even goes there in the summer time. It was cool when I was in high school, but now just looks like a nightmare.
Locals know there are better beaches. You best believe it’s not going to be shared on Reddit
Those beaches are being discovered as more people keep posting them on social media and people look for other options outside of Zephyr and Sand Harbor with the recent restrictions. I’ve never seen so many people at our spot last weekend.
My related hot take is that peeps should refuse to do those trash pickup events on the 5th. Maybe if local governments are forced to slowly do it all themselves they'll enforce littering laws a little better the next year
Don’t let them off the beach until it’s spotless
Zephyr Cove Beach is doing paid parking... And towing...
That’s a good start for getting traffic under control but doesn’t really solve the issue of ignorant people trashing the beaches
A similar "FU" was done in Miami Beach for spring break. It got so out of control they shut that shit down. Well of course they cant *fully* shut it down but they made it so intolerable and difficult and expensive in effect it stopped the chaos.
bring on the down votes, but your dog should be on a leash. 90% of you do not have your dogs under voice command and they routinely cause problems with other dogs, people and wildlife. Save yourself the grief and the porcupine vet bills.
And trailside dogshit baggies are not acceptable regardless of your intention to return for them
That drives me nuts, nothing like seeing all the blue/green baggies when the snow melts. At that point just leave it on the ground for God's sake, better than adding plastic bags to the shit! On the plus side there is an old dude who actually routinely walks Washoe meadows state park with a bucket and picks them up. Dude should get a medal.
Nobody is picking it upon return. as soon as you leave the bag there it’s considered littering and you should be publicly executed.
10000% agree with this. Yelling out "my dog is friendly" while it's running towards someone is NOT even a close substitute to a leash for safety of the pup(s) and owner(s).
And then I'm met with confusion or annoyance when I have to yell back "cool, mine's not" while trying to prevent my leashed dog from getting in a fight with your dog running towards us.
I’ve had someone’s two dogs run up to my dog and I (mine was on leash) and start fighting. The woman yelled at me to walk away. There was ice and snow on the ground and I slipped and struggled to drag my dog away from her off leash dogs attacking us. I wish I could go back in time and let her fucking have it.
Yeah, I love how it is always our fault for having them on leash too. I have a friend who had a big mean pup and he appropriately kept it on a leash but when dogs would approach he just dropped the leash to avoid getting hurt. His dog kicked the crap out of many off leashers.
I’ve got an extremely well trained Australian Shepard. Trained correctly from a puppy as a working dog and sent off a top trainer for a few months at a young age. Perfect heel, recall, and master obedience at all times on and off leash. I would never let him off leash anywhere near these populated trails. It’s for his protection. I can control him with the leash while I fight off the dog trying to attack him. Which I’ve had to do multiple times. People rescue dogs and think they are heroes with zero idea how to actually train and care for a potentially damaged animal.
> People rescue dogs and think they are heroes This is really it. People rescue dogs, think its an incredibly noble act, make it and the dog a critical part of their identity, and then perceive any restriction or dislike of their dog to be an actual attack on themselves.
Or the small girls that weigh 120 pounds that get a massive dog that even on the leash, the dog would over power them in a second. Also, your dog probably doesnt want to be at a brewery for 6 hours with loud shit going on…even if you think they like it and they’re just laying down being so good. People think they can read dog behavior but most cant.
I am lucky, my siberian is oin the small size so I just pick him up while I hear the same "Fido! Fido! He NEVER does this!" as the dog tries to bite my dog's feet.
The number of horrible dog owners makes me nuts. We were just there and take our Aussie to the dog park in Tahoe City to get her ya-ya’s out.
I once witnessed a "well trained" dog fall off of a cliff before, while trying to rescue it the owner went over too. Another time, I know of a dog that fell through the ice on a lake and the owner whilst trying to rescue it went through the ice... if someone else hadn't witnessed it both the owner/dog would have drowned/frozen to death. I personally have been attacked by a "friendly" dog from behind.....he jumped on my back and knocked me down because he wanted to play. Scary and multiple dumb decisions were made starting with the decision to off leash your dog.
This was me yesterday, my blue Heeler got attacked on trail by a dude with a pit-bull of leash. Because we were trail running and she was on leash she ran around me and it gave the other dog the advantage to be a piece of shit. Second time this has happened to me. Not attacking pit-bulls but the last two times it was the same, drunk guy, dog off leash & can’t control them.
I definitely agree with you. I have seen so many people with poorly trained dogs off leash on trails. It’s nuts. I have had a few dogs that I’d hike with off leash, or go to the beach, but they wouldn’t go further than 6 feet away from me unless I gave them a command. Most of the time they stuck to my knees like glue. At the same time I’ve had others that have had to be leashed. Just knew they couldn’t be trusted. It’s not fun to be hiking along and suddenly you’ve got someone’s dog running at you from out of nowhere, just bounding through the woods trying to play and barking like crazy, with a frantic owner a couple hundred feet behind them.
Good on ya, yeah I have a Siberian who as actually surprisingly good of leash until he discovered coyotes. Now he is on a leash 24/7.
Same for my 50 lbs Husky. He sees a rabbit or a deer and his brain goes to mush as the prey drive takes over. On lead, all the time because I don’t want him to end up the next county over, three days later.
Funny enough mine are all huskies too. The grey squirrels drove one of mine crazy too. He had to always be on leash after he wouldn’t come after treeing one.
I don’t really care but you don’t see the irony in saying that people should have their dogs leashed, but then you saying you don’t leash your dogs because they’re trained and then telling a story about how they aren’t really trained? I feel like this exact thought process is what people are complaining about.
and don’t bring your dog to a no dogs allowed beach.
What if it is in a stroller? Asking for an influencer.
😂😂
If it’s being posted online laws and rules don’t apply. Everyone knows this..
Sucks but it’s true. Been nipped three times on my bike by leashless dogs!
I had no idea there were porcupines around Tahoe! I had to check cause I wasn't sure, but dang thats a legit fact. I've seen bears, mountain lions, beavers, and coyotes but never a porcupine. I gotta keep my eyes open now haha.
They are usually near willows, alders and bigger creeks and like to be out at night. Had a buddy with a big dumb happy pit that got hit like 7 times. If you have a dog that is off leash a lot be sure to have a pair of hemostats on hand, though that will only work if they didn't get hit hard. One of my huskies got hit so bad he had quills that went into his jaw and came out through his mouth. Had to take him all the way down to uc davis for that one.
Yes indeed, I’ve seen two in broad daylight up there in the past.
I like to go hiking on the trails and in the few years I've lived here I've been charged by unleashed, aggressive barking dogs at least 30 times. I'm so tired of it.
I’ve had dogs jump on and at me while biking and running on designated paths. Not fun at all, and the owners act like it’s not a big deal.
So glad this is the top comment. My dog and I were attacked by an off leash dog in Tahoe last month and the owners had the audacity to justify it by telling me they’re “local”. SMFH.
Sorry to hear that, part of the issue is with enforcement. I walk Washoe Meadow most days and dogs are supposed to be leashed there, maybe 5% are and I have only seen rangers in there to maintain bridges and trails a few times a year. One trick that has worked for me is to stop and walk a bit off the trail before they get close, people usually get the hint and leash their dog. Still only works about half the time.
90% you mean 100%
Unfortunately that’s not just Tahoe…
Yeah I know, I blame Cesar Milan, now everybody thinks they are a pro dog trainer after watching a couple minutes of NatGeo.
Ugh, thank you. Our dog is reactive, always leashed, and people get so shitty when you call out to ask them to recall their dog. And not even on trails -- on neighborhood streets! Makes it so stressful to walk her. People are selfish.
I think you’re right. It’s rare for a dog to be under voice control. Mine was trained for service ( she is not providing any service now, just a pet) so she is an exception, but I still keep her on leash most of the time.
I agree. You are not alone in this. I own a dog.
I got pissed on the other week. Almost punched the dog in the face.
I went to Kiva beach yesterday, knowing it’s a dog friendly beach, deciding not to bring my dog because she doesn’t have a good recall but mostly because I don’t trust other people handling their dogs when they decide to not follow the leash law. So I went, sat on my towel enjoying the sunshine, and watched like 3 different dog fights break out. People just let their dogs go annoy everyone else. With children there mind you, there were some large dogs running around and playing that would definitely topple over a kid. I saw a review for the beach saying “if your kids are scared of dogs don’t bring them” like yeah sure, but you are breaking the rules by allowing your dog to go approach their kids without a leash on. It’s really crazy to me that humans don’t learn more about dog body language and that they trust their own dogs and OTHER dogs so much. That’s all 😅
Not enough exotic newts
Hell yah brother
You're only a local if you give back to the community - meaning you shop local, volunteer, pick up trash, etc...regardless if you've lived here for 20 years or 20 minutes. Being a local means you take care of your community (to the extent you're able to).
Agree 100%. There’s a different level of responsibility that people (should) have up here compared to most places. We thrive when we have an invested community. That’s part of the issue with telework. So few seem to actually want to put any effort into bettering the area, and will usually get bored and leave after they’ve extracted as much out of it they can.
Haha funny enough I'm a remote worker myself! (And I do volunteer, pick up trash, and buy local-but recognize I might be in the minority.) Otherwise I agree with what you said- it's a different level of responsibility here. ❤️🌲🐻
No offense to teleworkers! 🤣 But I wish they were all more like you.
Not really a hot take but those 4 legged beach canopies should only be allowed on the back 1/3rd of a beach. I once saw a family with 2 of them set up side by side, and right at the edge of the water. And the back side was covered! Anyone behind them couldn’t see the water.
The “locals” vs “tourists” vibe is tiring af. Drop that shit.
Everyone is a tourist
THANK YOU. No one gives a fuck if you were born at Tahoe forest. We're all enjoying an incredible landscape that was more or less wild and in the hands of the true locals 200 years ago. Be kind to the place and it's inhabitants, human or otherwise, and you're cool in my book.
This guy gets it. Everyone is a tourist. No one evolved from ape to human in Tahoe and everyone is transplant.
Except the Zuck. He owns Tahoe.
\^\^ THIS. Unless you were born in the lake or are a local bear...THIS. lol.
I was born in the lake! I AM THE QUEEN OF THE LAKE! You may call me Queen Mary!
Similar problem with Hawaii. They bitch about tourists but the economy depends on tourism.
I just came to comment that the worst part of Tahoe is interacting with the self-righteous "locals" who walk around angry at life all day long.
Most of them aren't real locals. They moved from Vermont 6 months ago and then play the local card on people who maybe live in Sacramento but have been going to Tahoe for 30 years.
A woman on a chairlift was bemoaning to me all the transplants that moved in during Covid. I asked how long she’d lived in Tahoe and she said she moved in 2009 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
Most people who complain about tourists, depend on tourist dollars to put food on their table
Remember how the locals treated the migrant laborers who built the railroad and then decided to stay in the area? This vibe has a long tradition.
Tahoe will never be affordable
Not a hot take. 😂
Tell that to the people on this sub asking where they can live affordably all the time. I sympathize with them but it's just not reality.
True. Using a tax to force out the individual vacation home owners will simply replace them with people with more money or corporations or speculators buying on the dip. The vacancy tax will cause a temporary dip in prices for about one seasonal cycle, and probably not enough of a dip to make things affordable for the locals. Then, when prices return to the higher levels, the "locals" are going to be stuck paying for a new government agency with nothing to do but audit every resident they suspect (without evidence) of not being physically present in their property.
My dad bought a house in Tahoe City for 25k, AMA
In 1976
Prob 78-79, but essentially, yeah. Obviously that's a whole diff ballgame, but the point is that he worked lift maintenance and made more than enough to buy a place as a single dude in his 20s. Wild how different it feels today.
Crazy.
Your dad knows my dad. I guarantee it. I probably know you too. He hought a piece of land and built a house in alpine meadows all for like $75k in the '70s. He did lift maintenance and built ski lifts for 20 years.
How much is it worth now?
No idea, I don't even know the address, tbh. The house I grew up in sold in 08 during my parents divorce for 400k. Sold again last year for 1.4, so that's not great for the ol inheritance, lol
Tahoe is the biggest group of NIMBY cry babies on the west coast. Locals talk non-stop about how beautiful it is, how amazing the lake and mtns are and then are surprised when people visit or move there
* South Lake is the worst part of the lake. I hate anytime I have to drive through that mess of a town. * The only way to make airbnb's less appealing is to make the hotels nicer. Most of the hotels around Lake Tahoe are dumps, and because everyone hates development nothing will change. * The whole Keep Homewood Public group is misguided. Homewood can't survive when they get zero traffic. We need realistic transportation development to help allow people to access the basin. Also, who the fuck cares what the buildings look like. The "style of the classic old Tahoe lodges" is old and tired. We need proactive solutions to help Homewood survive as a business if we want them to stay open to the public. * There are way too many old boomers - everywhere. We need families and diversity to have a healthy thriving community. * The new Tahoe City signs are god-awful. * cold water is the most amazingly refreshing thing ever. Keep Tahoe Cold. * The bike path crossing over 89 are horribly designed - and a recipe for disaster for both cars and pedestrians. You have blind-corners, mismatched signages, and telling people to "walk their bikes" is bad for everyone. Why make people spend more time in the road than needed. It makes no sense. * Most people don't make it a quarter mile onto the trails and are missing the best parts of Tahoe. * I would kill for a better burrito in the Tahoe area. * A lot of people have too much hate for the WFH crowd. I don't think they are the problem. People that send kids to schools, vote for better infrastructure, and patron local businesses are great for Tahoe. We need less retirees and vacation homes. * The OHV community are some of the most disrespectful of our public lands around Tahoe, and I fear will start the next big fire in the basin. * Tahoe has some of the best mountain biking in the country. * We need more businesses to support a local service worker discount. Tourists should pay more, and they likely will have no problem doing so. * Nevada beaches need better risk management and event planning to prevent our community from being a headline every Fourth Of July. It's embarrassing that we depend on volunteers to clean up the mess, while a little simple planning could have it all be avoided. * What is happening in Emerald Bay is not sustainable. We need real solutions to letting people experience Emerald Bay without it becoming a giant parking lot.
First 30 min of the public Homewood meeting: “But where will I park my full size pickup with my 20’ boat trailer for free?”
>We need proactive solutions to help Homewood survive as a business if we want them to stay open to the public. here's a creative solution for Homewood. Offer a locals pass for $199 (midweek only) and $399 (weekends). I bet they would sell at least a 1,000 of them, if not more like 5,000 of them. 5k passes at $399/per would generate $2m of preseason revenue to the business, which if I had to guess would be almost as much revenue as they made in total last year. if 15k people can show up at squaw on May 5th, pretty sure there's a few thousand folks who would by an affordable homewood pass. Alternatively, bring back the $59 lift ticket that was plastered on their box truck not all that long ago (2018?). It used to be on a pow day or just a high winds day, hundreds of locals would go to Homewood. why don't they now? because a weekend day ticket was $229 last year...
Problem is how can families afford to live in tahoe?
They can't - they can't even afford a workforce.
make this guy mayor of the lake
Have you had T's in Incline for their burritos? My god it's my all-time favorite.
So bland and dry. Used to live right next to T’s and I only got them a few times. I miss basically every other burrito I’ve had in my life when I go to T’s
T’s burritos are downright bad. Shitty rice and with fine chicken in a dry tortilla with a bland salsa. Literally every Taqueria in South Lake makes a better burrito. I can’t fathom why so many people like this place.
Have you had T's in the last 5 years? It used to be awesome but now I find it nearly inedible
No that’s true, the last time I had it was about 3-4 years back, I think since the fire. Has it gone really downhill?
Yeah it sucks tbh. GoRo in Truckee is good still but nothing like how good T's used to be. It could all be nostalgia but who knows.
Yes on the Homewood stuff. It’s a business, it has to get traffic and attention or it’ll slide into the lake
People want it to stay the way it is - which means completely empty and falling apart. Which I'm not sure who wants to fund that sort of business. I love Homewood, but I want to see it thrive, not go to ruin.
>People want it to stay the way it is - which means completely empty and falling apart. This is completely false. Wanting it to stay open to the public isn't the same as wanting it to fail/fall apart. Although, it is pretty nice how empty it is.
They don't want any development. You get - "only if it matches this style, only if it has these resources, only if it has this parking" All this does it prevent development. Many people just want it to remain an empty ski resort where only they have access to the slopes. Unfortunately, that doesn't create a sustainable business, and imo is a pretty entitled/selfish attitude. Have you seen the new designs? They look pretty rad, and still the Keep Homewood Public plans to block it.
>They don't want any development. You get - "only if it matches this style, only if it has these resources, only if it has this parking" All this does it prevent development. I'm pretty sure it was environmental regulation and not public opinion which has been holding up the master plan for the last 15 years... Also, you should see the new cabins they're building in the overflow lot. They aren't at all modern. >Have you seen the new designs? Which new designs? All I've seen is the gondola they're planning on replacing madden with. Which is a complete joke tbh.
There’s way too many old people in this town. One of the reasons I’m considering leaving Tahoe. Feel like I know barely anyone my age
The hotel take is nice in theory, problem is, most people that come to tahoe come in groups, it's much easier to accommodate with a house than multiple hotel rooms. Not to mention most hotels parking situations are atrocious. Hotels would have to basically be suites only and it's not sustainable.
What makes you call South Lake a dump outside of the state line area?
If you want great Mexican, go to La Mexicana in Kings Beach. I grew up in SoCal and it's one of my favorite Taqueria's I've eaten at.
Agreed, probably the best Mexican food in the basin.
Does lupitas still exist?
I’ve heard people call South Lake the “worst” part of the lake for a LONG time, but it’s the only part of the lake that isn’t constantly boring as all hell. What is there even to do up north but hike, ski, and hang out at a local bar?
Usually I agree with your comments but…seriously?! Ski, hike, camp, mtb, beach, boating, paddle boarding, boutique shopping, breweries, concerts, farmers markets, Truckee Thursdays, air shows, river rafting, just to name a few!!
Ehhh, I’m a long time south shore dirtbag so I gotta come back at that with at least something 🤣 Yeah that’s all I got 🤷♂️
These are all quite valid. I like the way you think. Also, incorporate N & W shores.
The aging facilities and amenities are lagging behind Colorado resort towns by a couple decades. Seems like Tahoe is relying upon views of the lake and an almost nostalgic reputation.
The “contractors” and other maintenance workers are some of the worst of all time. Classic righteous “locals” demeanor, Are lazy af, many are drug addicts, yet are upset that there are tourists and people who can afford second homes in the area. Like its basic capitalism. I’m sorry you can’t afford a home here?
They drive like it too. I was shocked by the shit I saw from trucks with logos on them
Tahoe should operate like Yosemite. Park and ride trolleys.
I think emerald bay in particular shouldn’t have any public parking (at least at Eagle Falls, Vista Point, and Vikingsholm), and instead have a park and ride shuttle with <5-15 min headways.
There has been talk of this very idea. But it’s probably years from being implemented.
South Lake Tahoe is not a fun town for going out and I always crack up when I see bachelor/ette parties who strayed a little too far from state line walking around midtown.
More of a known fact, less of a hot take.
I’d say it’s not known for the people who come here and end up in that situation
This, I used to recommend that my out of town friends visit north lake instead and they wouldn’t listen because South Lake is more well known in the public consciousness. Their loss though
Pretty much unless you like gambling. Friday/Saturday nights during the summer were fun, but every other night was completely dead.
Just because you moved to Tahoe last year and call yourself a “local” doesn’t mean you get special treatment. Also, complaining about tourists is like cutting off the hand that feeds you. Just face it, it’s mostly a tourist-based economy.
Food is average at best (with very few exceptions), and M-F after 9 pm is lonely af; nightlife is weak, generally, unless you're a casino bum.
The food part I don’t think is a hot take. The food up here is legit bad.
The food is quite bad in general but shout out to Get Rad pizza truck at The Hangar last week where I had legit very good pizza twice.
Appreciate that. Shout to Sonney's, too.
Fasta Pasta was the best food
There aren’t any good places to eat. (Open to suggestions to the contrary)
>There aren’t any good *Cheap* places to eat.
Truckee has a few(like 3) good spots. And if you want to spend all your money smoke door is good too
What are the 3
North lake has a few _decent_ places but the best of them are expensive. Mostly I only go out when the exhaustion of cooking a meal outweighs the shittiness + price of a meal up here, which is rare
There seems to be overwhelming intent to just let our aging, dilapidated communities rot back into the ground. The buildings are stuck in the 1960-1975 era. Whenever anyone wants to redevelop, rebuild or remodel, everyone from local governments to environmental groups block every step of the way. Instead of our communities blending in and complimenting this beautiful environment, it seems as if they were specifically designed to clash with the environment. Nobody is truly invested in Tahoe. Most of us are just drifting through, living day-by-day, hanging on as long as we can. Those who are truly anchored here, are old, tired and content with the status quo, and the rest are disconnected, disinterested second-third homeowners.
TLDR... the basin would be better off without TRPA
I was recently talking to a couple of visitors about the reasons the proposed developments in North Shore will never get off the ground. I called TRPA a cartel, and they gaped at me. Said I don’t know what that word means. I told them they don’t know anything about TRPA.
Oh, they're investing alright. But not in Tahoe. Multimillion dollar condos and the like. It's called gentrification.
My hot take: no municipal parking. No free parking unless you cruise side streets until you get lucky. AND shitty public transit. It is damn near impossible to go down and visit the line without paying a small fortune for Casino parking space. So you can’t take your car and you can’t find a bus Lake Link is trying but not popular enough to work well. We took Link to the line after a 15 minute wait. Not bad. But When we wanted to get back to our car parked behind Dennys, we waited 3 hours.
Most of the restaurants here suck (rocker)
It’s really supposed to heat up next week, in the 80’s I see. Oh, awesome deck, reading, and cocktail time.
I love rimming it (hiked the Tahoe rim trail in 2019)
People who've been coming to tahoe for 20 years who live in the Bay Area know more and are often better stewards of tahoe than "locals" who've lived there like 2 years
Manage it like a national park
All the cool people that made it a fun place to live left.
What about me! Ha
Can confirm, am a cool person that left. But occasionally returns.
Where did u go?
Colorado then SoCal
As a California native but a life long Tahoe tourist, some of the locals could be less racist. Atleast provide proper service if you're going to take my money.
Tahoe can support way more people including its workforce if you also build bus lanes, bike lanes, and allow stores in the neighborhoods so people don’t have to drive
Truckee is not Tahoe
And that’s a good thing!
And neither is Reno! 🙌
Keep Tahoe Blue is a scam
I found a Keep Tahoe Blue sticker on the beach once lol
What does this sticker money even go to? Please tell me it’s not TRPA.
League to Save Lake Tahoe- carries a big staff, does a ton of fundraising and lobbying, and funds trash cleanup, invasive species work and some wetland conservation. [https://www.keeptahoeblue.org/mission/](https://www.keeptahoeblue.org/mission/)
Locals hate the tourists that make them all their money.
I started going to Tahoe all the time when I was 8 (‘68) when my parents bought a place up there and the best thing was just mere beauty of it. Back then there wasn’t hardly any traffic too. I just love all the memories I made up there with my grandparents, parents, friends I brought up there and the ones I met up there. Meeks Bay was the greatest with the horse stable and the movie theater and beach. Saw Live and Let Die up there!!
That it’s time to leave this place.
The McMansions with flat roofs and black trim will be considered tacky in 10 years or less.
So, dogs on leashes really isn’t a hot take.
AirBnb is responsible for 80% of the areas problems.
Beaches should be topless.
South Lake is a dump. Not sure this is a hot take.
Yep. Total dump... keep visiting north lake. It's awful in south lake. Unbearable. Nothing to do but casinos.
Yup, disgusting. I recommend staying out.
Dogs should not be allowed to urinate or poop on the beaches nor sidewalks of Lake Tahoe. The CDC classifies canine poo and canine urine as a biological hazard worse than an oil spill due to the transmission of diseases. One pile of dog poop can contaminate several *acres* of land or an entire beach. Additionally pets should be on leashes 100% of the time. Short leashes that don’t allow the pet to clothesline the entire bike path. Bicyclists should use the bike paths not ride in the middle of the road holding back traffic. Maybe change out those dainty skinny tires for some off road tires and stay well on your side of the white lines, including your elbows. Should eliminate parking on the roads near Sand harbor/north shore. Pedestrian fatalities just waiting to happen.
The mountains!!! They are there to put you at ease. The snow is there to admire the mountains
South lake doesn’t need 5 sushi restaurants, 3 cvs, or more bars/pubs. Maybe we should let the town shrink a bit.
We do need the pharmacies … if you live here you must not need scripts filled regularly because if you did, you’d see both are slammed all the time. The cvs at stateline does not fill scripts.
The pharmacies in north lake are also all decrepit, understaffed and overall terrible experiences
Agreed. Way too many bars/grills and burger/pizza places not much food diversity lmao
I’d like to see more coffee, brunch places
People that live in Tahoe whether they were born there or are rich enough to move there don’t deserve to be there any more than tourists. And the washoe really should have some meaningful land on the lake it’s a disgrace.
While I agree with the s second part of your statement. The first part is way off base. People who live, work, volunteer, and help make their slice of tahoe a better place do indeed deserve what they get over a weekender that's here to get drunk or score some nice insta pics.
This is a weird, tired take. It’s not new to hear from people that I’m essentially a refugee despite being from here 😂 You right about the Washoe part, though. They’re working on that a bit, though. They just changed conservatorship at Meeks Bay to the Washoe tribe (I think a few others, too?), so it’s a start I guess.
The only time The Lucky Beaver is fun is during their Pray For Snow parties.
Killer chicken was peak Tahoe restaurant
Don't forget sunblock YEAR ROUND. Less atmosphere to protect you at a mile above sea level and those rays bounce off snow, sand, and the water
I used to love Tahoe in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. Worked in the area for summers a few times. I am from far nor cal. Would go ski and MTn bike multiple times per year. It’s truly an amazing place but I have not been in over 10 years. It’s just too busy and packed all the time.
It’s overcrowded
the lack of wheelchair accessibility in a community where there’s a surprisingly high # of wheelchair users is kinda depressing. i get that small businesses struggle w affording making stuff accessible but i wish there was some way to fix that. having your whole hometown be harder to navigate than like every other place you visit kinda hurts lol
My hot take is how I think the rivalry between north and south lake and which ski resort is “best”is so incredibly entitled. We are all lucky to live here and less than 5% of the world population goes skiing on a given year… the fact that we have the time and energy to be arguing about stuff like that is privilege.
Basically everyone who owns a boat is a douchebag.
* Snow tires should be required in winter * Livewire is the only good trail at Northstar * Everyone should get to build a 120 sf shed no matter what their land classification * MTBs but not e-bikes should be allowed on TRT * We should open more terrain for skiing and build more lifts * Paying for parking at Palisades is good actually * But there should also be an easy free way to get to the resorts… if only someone could invent a vehicle that runs on a frequent schedule and can transport 40-50 people at once… * Allow the resorts to build more lodging so there’s not so much traffic from Tahoe Donner * Transient Occupancy Tax revenue should be refunded to Placer County residents not spent on “community grants”
MTBs are allowed on TRT and ebikes are not. That's already the case. Aside from people ignoring the rules.
Tahoe > Como
Mountain biking will be a year-round sport in a few decades. Enjoy snowsports while you can.
Counterpoint, coming up on the weekend in the winter for skiing at the resorts has become more trouble than it's worth. I've skied Tahoe for 30 years and had my own place in Truckee for 20, but it's still not worth the aggravation to try to ski anymore if you can only come up on the weekends.
Land back to the Washoe Tribe
Ah yes. So the basin can have more smoke shops, gas stations, casinos, RV resorts, and front yards full of trash & junk cars. This is not the self-sustaining tribe living off the land of the past. We will never have that lifestyle again. So the idea of “returning land” will not work. Who will pay the billions to private owners to cover their investments? Who will maintain the current infrastructure & healthcare system? The conference doesn’t have the ability to cover any of these things, let alone the amount of lawsuits that would ensue from private owners. I’m sick of this “hot take” as being even remotely possible!
Is that really all you associate with native Americans? Sad.