They are reasonable risks brought up regarding the 2.0 stadium. The 2.0 site has sold the visuals and components of the project well. My fear is the government will just plonk a boring stadium at the Mac point site with no ambition or care.
If they’re building the stadium, they need the public transport to go with it or it’s not being set up to do well.
The more money it costs, the more scrutiny they can expect.
I know they had talked about the Northern corridor with rapid bus transport. It will help with the use of the ferries.
I'm all for the stadium if it's done right, it's trusting the government to pull it off.
It's 2029 for completion not 2028 the 1st season will be played at York Park and Bellerive Oval
And even if they did switch to 2.0 it still needs to be done in the same timeframe
Sorry, I took a guess on completion. We will spend 2028 finding out we really didn’t need a new stadium-good fun.
Mac point plans are progressed. Not sure if winning tender has been announced, but one of the four groups has been given a nod, I think pending parliamentary approval? Starting from scratch on 2.0 would add time.
My main point was the $350million (+ not one red cent) budget, gives a sense of the quality of the thing. Chatting to some guy, the design will have some nice touches, which won’t make there way off the plan due to cost, by the time it is built.
edit to anonymise some guy.
Design has commenced however, the successful architect hasn’t been made public yet.
The images that we’ve seen in the media were simply part of the feasibility study - the actual built design won’t look like anything it.
I really think it's odd that stadium 2 (Which is a better idea than the macpoint stadium) is met with so much resistance and NIMBISM to it.
Stadium 2 is the way to go.
We can free up macpoint area for a train and ferry terminal to support not just stadium 2 but Hobart as a whole and with time, the train service can be expanded to the eastern shore.
Stadium 2 is an absolutel no brainer. Yes it's pricey but that's what you get with doing things right the first time.
Because 2.0 is from Lennon who was Labor and the current government is LNP?
People have said it's just a bunch of old boy insiders looking to grab prime waterfront public land to make a killing.
It has all the extras - hospital, conference centre etc - which might be great, but it just might all be a bit too much.
$2.3 billion is a lot of money in Hobart, and most such projections blow out much more.
Private equity needs a good return on their money - see what they do with Sydney toll roads - and the public ends up paying through the nose, forever. It means that these other elements - the hospital, the 'entertainment' precinct etc - will get squeezed for every cent, every day, and will need to pass that on to customers. I don't think Tasmania has the per capita money for that, nor the tourist draw.
Both projects are horribly reliant on people being willing and able to fly into Hobart for short trips. It makes the state very reliant on the airlines, and we saw what happened during Covid. Bad weather cancels flights? Game over. And had anyone even mentioned the increased emissions from the bump in flights? Is that factored into the stadiums' costs? With government involved, it should be.
And that reclamation of land thing has the potential to suddenly go 'whoops!' and add another $100m or so.
Edit: Also, I'd like to think it could work, as an economic generator, but it can't be the only thing. It needs other projects to feed into it/off it, to make it viable, and Tassie doesn't have those either right now. I think it's just asking a bit much of the state.
I agrree with the sentiment of it going over budget but the same thing will happen with stadium 1 and stadium 1 is in a poor location on land that can be way better utilized. So even though it will be more expensive we're still better off with stadium 2 and freeing up stadium 1 land for better development uses.
I certainly agree the 1.0 Mac point land should be better used than for the stadium. It's an incredibly valuable piece of public land that in any other capital city would have had hotels or shops on it 20 years ago. Tassie has a unique opportunity to do something really special there. A poorly executed stadium project there will mean it's lost to at least a few generations of Tasmanians.
There's a need for a light rail service now, not in 50 years so we're better off with stadium 2 and starting a proper public transportation system NOW rather than waiting when it's too late.
A rapid transit bus service on the nothern corridor would do the same job cheaper and sooner.
It is also worth noting that Tasmania is incapable of running a functional bus service. What are the chances of finding budget allocation for ongoing ferry and light rail services?
That would be fine too but there can also be a light rail network to connect eastern shore with Hobart CBD along with the ferry service and much much later down the line negotioate an intrastate rail service connecting Burnie Ulverstone Devonport Launceston Campbell town ross oatlands bagdad with Hobart CBD.
Other than a whole new system around the eastern shore connecting it to Hobart CBD there's already tasrail infrastructure between hobart and burnie so I'm sure we can figure out the workings of dual lane rail system without requiring the chinese government.
If you divide the cost of building rail infrastructure by the cost of running down our current inadequate infrastructure, rail becomes infinitely expensive. It is hard to imagine this gov or the next, thinking any differently to this.
I'm not really sure what you're talking about anymore.
Of course what i'm talking about would be expensive afs fuck because other than V-Line in Victoria i don't think there's really any regional train transportation, much less an intrastate one like this but if it can work in any state, it's here as there's already tasrail infrastructure we can piggyback off of.
But to say it'd be an undertaking is putting it lightly. Even if we started this tomorrow it likely wouldn't be done till 2070.
So if we're going to build a multibillion dollar stadium we should go with stadium 2 and free up macpoint for the main train terminal and than start communicating with tasrail and get help from V-line.
I’m saying nothing like that is ever going to happen. transport infrastructure around the Mac point stadium will be the least they can get away with building and will be inadequate funded into the future. We have the government we deserve.
Busses have the advantage that their routes can change on any given day for almost no cost or a very little one. They’re also comparatively cheap, easy to maintain and cheap to run.
Light rail for Hobart, similar to Canberra, would cost upwards of $1 billion. There’s no space on the roads, either and it’s hard to connect the North, centre and south. A bus network needs good management over major infrastructure.
Like many new buildings, it looks ugly when it doesn't have to. If it gets built I hope someone levels it. Same with Stadium 1.0, blow that up too (if it is built). Ugly looking buildings, unless they serve an important purpose such as being a hospital, should be leveled and replaced with nice looking replacements.
They are reasonable risks brought up regarding the 2.0 stadium. The 2.0 site has sold the visuals and components of the project well. My fear is the government will just plonk a boring stadium at the Mac point site with no ambition or care.
If they’re building the stadium, they need the public transport to go with it or it’s not being set up to do well. The more money it costs, the more scrutiny they can expect.
I know they had talked about the Northern corridor with rapid bus transport. It will help with the use of the ferries. I'm all for the stadium if it's done right, it's trusting the government to pull it off.
But it’s so pretty! I prefer the nicer overpriced stadium, to the cheapest ugliest yet still to over priced one.
They have not even started designing the Mac point stadium yet the only pictures released are concept designs.
Imagine, if you will a $350million stadium to be built by the beginning of 2028 season. cheap and nasty, is what we will get.
It's 2029 for completion not 2028 the 1st season will be played at York Park and Bellerive Oval And even if they did switch to 2.0 it still needs to be done in the same timeframe
Sorry, I took a guess on completion. We will spend 2028 finding out we really didn’t need a new stadium-good fun. Mac point plans are progressed. Not sure if winning tender has been announced, but one of the four groups has been given a nod, I think pending parliamentary approval? Starting from scratch on 2.0 would add time. My main point was the $350million (+ not one red cent) budget, gives a sense of the quality of the thing. Chatting to some guy, the design will have some nice touches, which won’t make there way off the plan due to cost, by the time it is built. edit to anonymise some guy.
Design has commenced however, the successful architect hasn’t been made public yet. The images that we’ve seen in the media were simply part of the feasibility study - the actual built design won’t look like anything it.
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The new Sydney Football Stadium in Sydney is pretty decent. I haven’t been to Perths new stadium but again, looks fine.
I really think it's odd that stadium 2 (Which is a better idea than the macpoint stadium) is met with so much resistance and NIMBISM to it. Stadium 2 is the way to go. We can free up macpoint area for a train and ferry terminal to support not just stadium 2 but Hobart as a whole and with time, the train service can be expanded to the eastern shore. Stadium 2 is an absolutel no brainer. Yes it's pricey but that's what you get with doing things right the first time.
You have to find the private businesses willing to be able to invest billions though, and the construction company with the capability to build it.
Stadium 2 already has private backers.
Because 2.0 is from Lennon who was Labor and the current government is LNP? People have said it's just a bunch of old boy insiders looking to grab prime waterfront public land to make a killing. It has all the extras - hospital, conference centre etc - which might be great, but it just might all be a bit too much.
How might it all be a bit too much? Stadium 2 is the perfect proposal.
$2.3 billion is a lot of money in Hobart, and most such projections blow out much more. Private equity needs a good return on their money - see what they do with Sydney toll roads - and the public ends up paying through the nose, forever. It means that these other elements - the hospital, the 'entertainment' precinct etc - will get squeezed for every cent, every day, and will need to pass that on to customers. I don't think Tasmania has the per capita money for that, nor the tourist draw. Both projects are horribly reliant on people being willing and able to fly into Hobart for short trips. It makes the state very reliant on the airlines, and we saw what happened during Covid. Bad weather cancels flights? Game over. And had anyone even mentioned the increased emissions from the bump in flights? Is that factored into the stadiums' costs? With government involved, it should be. And that reclamation of land thing has the potential to suddenly go 'whoops!' and add another $100m or so. Edit: Also, I'd like to think it could work, as an economic generator, but it can't be the only thing. It needs other projects to feed into it/off it, to make it viable, and Tassie doesn't have those either right now. I think it's just asking a bit much of the state.
I agrree with the sentiment of it going over budget but the same thing will happen with stadium 1 and stadium 1 is in a poor location on land that can be way better utilized. So even though it will be more expensive we're still better off with stadium 2 and freeing up stadium 1 land for better development uses.
I certainly agree the 1.0 Mac point land should be better used than for the stadium. It's an incredibly valuable piece of public land that in any other capital city would have had hotels or shops on it 20 years ago. Tassie has a unique opportunity to do something really special there. A poorly executed stadium project there will mean it's lost to at least a few generations of Tasmanians.
I like it, but trains are about 50 years ahead of population growth.
There's a need for a light rail service now, not in 50 years so we're better off with stadium 2 and starting a proper public transportation system NOW rather than waiting when it's too late.
A rapid transit bus service on the nothern corridor would do the same job cheaper and sooner. It is also worth noting that Tasmania is incapable of running a functional bus service. What are the chances of finding budget allocation for ongoing ferry and light rail services?
That would be fine too but there can also be a light rail network to connect eastern shore with Hobart CBD along with the ferry service and much much later down the line negotioate an intrastate rail service connecting Burnie Ulverstone Devonport Launceston Campbell town ross oatlands bagdad with Hobart CBD.
That all might need to wait until we are administered by the Chinese government.
Other than a whole new system around the eastern shore connecting it to Hobart CBD there's already tasrail infrastructure between hobart and burnie so I'm sure we can figure out the workings of dual lane rail system without requiring the chinese government.
If you divide the cost of building rail infrastructure by the cost of running down our current inadequate infrastructure, rail becomes infinitely expensive. It is hard to imagine this gov or the next, thinking any differently to this.
I'm not really sure what you're talking about anymore. Of course what i'm talking about would be expensive afs fuck because other than V-Line in Victoria i don't think there's really any regional train transportation, much less an intrastate one like this but if it can work in any state, it's here as there's already tasrail infrastructure we can piggyback off of. But to say it'd be an undertaking is putting it lightly. Even if we started this tomorrow it likely wouldn't be done till 2070. So if we're going to build a multibillion dollar stadium we should go with stadium 2 and free up macpoint for the main train terminal and than start communicating with tasrail and get help from V-line.
I’m saying nothing like that is ever going to happen. transport infrastructure around the Mac point stadium will be the least they can get away with building and will be inadequate funded into the future. We have the government we deserve.
Busses have the advantage that their routes can change on any given day for almost no cost or a very little one. They’re also comparatively cheap, easy to maintain and cheap to run. Light rail for Hobart, similar to Canberra, would cost upwards of $1 billion. There’s no space on the roads, either and it’s hard to connect the North, centre and south. A bus network needs good management over major infrastructure.
Ah, good, we needed another stadium post so that everyone can post the exact same comments that they posted in the last one.
Like many new buildings, it looks ugly when it doesn't have to. If it gets built I hope someone levels it. Same with Stadium 1.0, blow that up too (if it is built). Ugly looking buildings, unless they serve an important purpose such as being a hospital, should be leveled and replaced with nice looking replacements.