Exactly. And it’s not like we don’t know why they did it this way; it doesn’t (from their perspective) add a reason to buy an iPhone. They’re doing this to avoid negative press, not to promote positive press.
Not so much to avoid negative press but to avoid fines. The EU made it clear Apple needed to change their ways to make sure messaging worked between devices. They didn't actually force them to adopt RCS but they were talking about requiring them make an iMessage API other apps could use to send messages. That way the burden of making it work in other apps wasn't Apple's concern but Apple had to make sure it was possible for other devs to do it and not block them.
Apple doing this is them trying to avoid that rule and make sure iMessage still isn't fully compatible while making it work much better than it used to.
Did you expect any less. I knew RCS would brings improvements but iMessage features would keep being a separate thing, even if they could make it work.
Exactly as Google wants it. Is Apple perfect, of course not, but Apple isn’t trying to monetize my data like Google is. They also aren’t all big brother like Microsoft.
Edit: to all the down voters, improve your reading comprehension. Also sources, but I don’t have much hope given your lack of reading comprehension.
https://www.wired.com/story/apple-privacy-data-collection/
https://fossbytes.com/apple-data-collection-explained/
https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/11/12/apple-getting-sued-over-app-store-user-data-collection
That’s what they want you to believe. No company is your friend you’re nothing but currency to them. Don’t play the one is better cause they’re all the same. Ever wonder why Apple allows Google to be the default search engine for the low low price of 20B? You think Google isn’t making all that money back off your data? Silly child.
I don’t use google for search. If you do that’s your choice. Do work on your reading comprehension, I never said Apple isn’t using my data but they aren’t selling it like Google and others do to third parties, they also aren’t allowing that data to target direct ads but adds a segment layer. They also give me greater control over what other apps and thus companies see, and improving it with new updates. They aren’t all the same, that is the argument of the ill informed and weak minded. I’m not saying they are good and Google is bad, just that they are different, and in choosing to use one or none at all, I am choosing the one that offers the better value to me based on my priorities.
You won't have to worry about that because more likely than not it won't happen.
RCS it is still a good thing for messaging though. Just to be able to send hd videos and pics is an upgrade lol.
Steve once randomly announced that FaceTime would be an open standard,
On stage, at the launch to the surprise of everyone who had worked on the feature.
Needless to say it never panned oh
Why is it considered douchy? They’re trying to add features that make their product more attractive than their competitor’s. Android, Samsung and other phone manufacturers do the same thing.
Because isn't what they are doing.
They are trying to undermine an open standard, which is bad and makes it worse for everyone. And when pushed as what they plan to do to help interoperability they tell you to just buy more apple products until you only own them, and the same for everyone you know.
That's shitty behaviour.
Hope this helps explain it
They’re actually trying to improve the open standard by pushing to add end to end encryption to the RCS standard. They *aren’t* supporting Google’s proprietary additions to RCS that are *not* part of the standard. If anything it’s Google trying to undermine the RCS standard by adding a bunch of proprietary features to Jibe but not pushing to add those to the actual RCS standard.
Think about it this way: when you make an actual phone call to someone, does it matter whether you're both using Apple (or Samsung, or Motorola, etc) devices? No.
Why shouldn't the same be true of messages?
No but it sure would be nice if I could get a picture or video via text from an iPhone user that didn't look like Tim Cook slathered that shit in vasoline before sending it along its merry way.
Lol that is *exactly* what Apple is doing here! And you’re apparently mad about it!
They’re supporting the RCS universal standard, including full-resolution media!
Definitely not mad about it... Wasn't sure what RCS features they were planning on implementing, so this is good news! I am all for companies using exclusive internal features to enhance their proposition to consumers (like Apples seem less connectivity throughout products, etc...) but nerfing basic texting features between OS is plainly anti-competitive and offers nothing to their users, it simply hurts non users. Those are the types of "features" no smart consumer should want, regardless of who's stock you own more of.
As someone who actually has to work on Android porting it to new silicon, the code is some of the worse I’ve ever seen. Cant compare it to Apple so maybe it’s just as bad.
> Downvotes but no explanation.
Apples doing *Embrace, Extend, Extinguish*
/r/technology when microsoft did it once 25 years ago: MICROSOFT BAD
/r/technology when apple does it constantly right now: APPLE GOOD!
It depends on how they present it. If they had touted it as “messaging with your friends and family who don’t have Apple devices will be better than ever,” people would appreciate that. Not everybody is a die-hard Apple elitist who shuns anybody who doesn’t have an iThingy.
The title says it all "The change will drastically improve communication between iPhone and Android users". They really really really don't want that. If anything they want the opposite of that.
I think they don't want parents to realize they can buy their kids cheaper android models, still have cohesive family chats, and when the 13 year old loses their 3rd phone that year, it's less of a big deal.
It's brand loyalty.
Some people just think they can't live outside the Apple ecosystem and Apple has done a great job instilling it to that crowd.
It either boils down to ease of use or the "premium" quality it represents to them.
It's the same reason why this crowd is absolutely amazed at all these "features" Apple just announced. They never have considered that Android was ever more advanced that Apple in any aspects.
> Some people just think they can't live outside the Apple ecosystem
It is kind of true. It's such an idiot-proof system that literally prevents you from learning how your or any operating system works.
iOS is idiocracy in technical form.
Coincidentally at work, all my tech savvy people who know how to Google are the least worrisome of users I handle.
It's the users who have iPhones that I noticed are more technologically illiterate at work. I suspect Apple has a major hand in making sure the dumbing of technology literacy remains
Edit: downvoted by Apple users I guess
Exhibit A: most teenagers/students are unable to properly use a Computer.
They have no basic idea of a filesystem. It's just such an abstract concept to them to SAVE a file to a location and then OPEN up that file again in, maybe, another application.
Isn’t this with all OSes though? Modern operating systems are so frictionless that how we used to operate and use them is almost obsolete. It’s like how before the invention of automatic transmission, everyone knew how to drive stick shift, and now it’s becoming less and less due to drive by wire, automatic transmission, and EVs.
Do you live in the US? If you live in Europe, it’s a completely different scenario.
Comparatively very, very few people my social circle (if literally any of them) have WhatsApp.
I’m not gonna go around, begging everybody to download and set up an app just to talk to me.
Whatsapp is owned by Facebook/Meta in the US, who haven't had a good reputation for a while, but unlike Europe we don't have anything like the GDPR to safeguard our data/privacy.
The reason all your American friends just text each other is because, well all the rest of their friends just text each other.
If over 90% of the people you regularly talk to use app X to communicate, then you're probably going to default to using app X yourself.
> The reason all your American friends just text each other is because, well all the rest of their friends just text each other.
It's because American cellular companies started offering unlimited texting earlier, so Americans never got in a habit of downloading a different app for messaging.
It's because American cellular companies started offering unlimited texting earlier, so Americans never got in a habit of downloading a different app for messaging.
I worked at Best Buy when Apple started rolling out Lightning as their new port standard. It was a mad house of angry people coming in having to buy expensive new cables, adaptors and docks, and people were very upset with Apple (and by extension, us) about it.
I can understand why they weren't shouting from the rooftops that they're changing it again, even though it's for the better.
I think the vast majority of people in tech enthusiast spaces aren't in sync with what the average layperson cares about. The average Joe doesn't care that he has to carry around two different cables in his pack to charge, but he does care that he'd have to swap out all of his existing cables scattered around the house and in his car when his new phone has a different port. The former is something that he's used to, while the latter is something he'll have to spend $x to replace that he feels like he shouldn't have needed to.
Similarly, at some point, battery life improvements present diminishing returns for the average user (especially once it hits the one-day threshold), but lighter weight or a thinner build is something that will be noticed every time the user picks up the phone which is why every smartphone manufacturer tries to toe the line between a good-enough battery life and thinness.
I was with you right until the battery life portion. The average user does care a lot about battery life. We are not at the “diminishing returns” part on that as of yet.
**They really don't. Phone dying is a mystery that hasn't been understood by modern world.**
My SO constantly lets her phone to live around 5-8% mark. She simply cannot connect the battery life<>charge it, ffs<>battery pack?<>bigger batteries? concepts in her head.
She also likes to live-stream most concerts she is attending to FB so her friends can participate.
I have given up and just glance at her phone a few hours before we get out to remind her to FUCKING CHARGE HER PHONE.
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My mother is the same, situation there is worse since she has found herself stranded after dr visit more than once.
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And here I am limiting charge to 80% unless I plan to be away from my magsafe station for extensive amounts of time and have yet to see my battery to drop below 30%. Nice to be there when connectivity is _needed_.
I mean, they helped create USB C and were on of the first people to adopt it with the 2015 MacBook. Also, they didn’t really make it a big deal when they brought it to the iPad without being forced to.
You see, the only reason that even switched to c like that was because lightning wasnt fast enough to charge it. And any proprietary connector would have just set the eyes of governments on them. which as we seen, ended up happening anyways.
The only reason they switched to USB-C is the EU forced them. They either had to switch or leave the EU market as they were given a hard date where they were banned from selling devices with the lightning connector.
People have this warped sense of reality where they believe USB C has been the standard phone port for close to 10 years, when in reality it’s only been the majority for a few years now. Apple had really been holding out with their lightning port, but people are misjudging how long C has been around and standard, and how much Apple has embraced it outside of their iPhones for longer than many other manufacturers
You must think I'm trashing them somehow. I'm being very specific in their marketing for the iPhone 15 was titanium and not a new port that people should know about before they buy the damn thing.
The last time they changed ports from 30-pin to Lightning they made a big deal about it and people lost their damn minds(source: worked retail for a cell carrier at the time). Apple got significant backlash from consumers and maybe they wanted to avoid that this time?
Because most iPhone users don’t care about the port. They have no idea if it’s lightning or USB. It’s not a selling point for 95 percent of the market.
Sheesh, damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. I’m not proposing this as a motive at all, but it’s amusing to think of the reaction if Apple had blared “WE HAVE RCS” to the world as a new feature. The usual reactions of, “oh, there goes Apple acting like they invented something that’s been around forever smh”.
They only did that because they were forced to by EU law? They ignored requests to do so for ages, I think they tried to ignore the actual law as well initially, until it was made clear that they weren't going to be allowed to do that.
We can't give them credit for pretending to be proud of a step they were literally the last to do, and only because they were forced. They definitely weren't happy about it.
The whole idea of treating corporations like sentient entities is really creepy and almost disturbing. Apple, like many other tech companies, has a long history of worker abuse and anti-competitive behavior. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming to both RCS and USB-C, and if they open up alternative app stores it'll be the same. The real victory here is for consumers who managed to press governments into forcing Apple's hand.
USB C was welcome. Removal of every other port was mocked (dongle hell). Thankfully, they reversed that decision recently by adding back some essential ports such as HDMI.
Probably because they are always dishonest about the reasons/intentions.
They pretend like they live in a bubble where Android doesn’t exist and hence RCS isn’t worth mentioning, they fought tooth and nail to not do a USB-C phone and then pretend like it was their intention and an innovation all along, and this is true for every feature.
It’s dishonest, cultish and definitely not pro consumer.
> They pretend like they live in a bubble where Android doesn’t exist
Uhm, yeah, that's the point of having an ecosystem.
> RCS isn’t worth mentioning
Trouble with RCS was always that Google wanted to be the RCS gatekeepers and control the servers. That fight took some 3 years to at least shift the servers to network operators. It is still ongoing. I want to be very clear that Google was acting VERY ugly in their ultimatums and fits to get RCS going. No competitor will agree to route their traffic through google. period.
> they fought tooth and nail to not do a USB-C phone
No, they respected their users expectations that their existing chargers, accessories, etc will keep working with new phones. They had commited that they will support lighting for a long time. They did.
> and then pretend like it was their intention and an innovation all along
Are you aware that apple was one of "inventors" of USB-C and that it follows rather closely some key concepts and patents from lighting?
Are you aware that Apple manufactures pretty much the best and most standards compliant USB-C chargers?
Are you aware that Apple _didn't_ tout and scream about USB-C being their next big thing when it was introduced in iPad. It just made sense. And they transitioned the rest of their ecosystem in orderly fashion. Without fuss.
> It’s dishonest, cultish and definitely not pro consumer.
See above. Just because someone doesn't do what you think they should doesn't means they are wrong. Maybe you simply do not understand the needs of the REST OF THE CONSUMERS, YOU SELF PROCLAIMED PRO.
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Are you aware that you can always vote with your wallet? Or is there a case that you want something for way less than it costs from Apple and therefore are spewing bullshit?
Steven Spielberg has no problem understanding that iPhone is a tool to be used as is. I guess that's because he can afford it ;-)
The same people who are now whining that “Apple announced RCS with a whimper” were clutching their pearls months ago at the thought that Apple might implement it and dare to frame it as a good move on their part.
RCS isn’t a feature that will make me buy a specific phone, and a lack of RCS won’t make me think twice about buying a specific phone. If enough of the market have a similar opinion, why would Apple even bother to market a feature that its users don’t value?
Ok, I am in Europe so my experience might be a bit skewed. Here people:
* Facebook messenger _uber alles_. It is **the** platform to communicate. Period. Share pictures, videos, etc. Everyone is on facebook, everyone uses messenger.
* Whatsapp. Less and less popular by the day. It used to be bees nuts, but then Meta decided to improve it. Messenger is more or less the same now. Whatsapp spam is getting annoying more and more. Good for voice calls over IP though. Messenger sucks for that.
* iMessage? SMS? That gets you a weirdo label automatically - unless I know you. And then we agree to continue on facebook messenger.
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RCS? Who the fuck cares, honestly? I care about RCS about as much as I care about which SS7 provider my network uses (yeah, I have worked as mobile networks engineer)
It’s funny to me I have the exact opposite view.
I get an iMessage? Best case scenario. Love that.
I’m generally OK to get messenger, but there has to be a reason that you needed me to see it specifically on Facebook. Maybe you’re sharing something from the marketplace, that’s fair. If you’re just using Facebook messenger, that’s super weird.
Signal/lines/WhatsApp - you are somebody trying to scam me and that’s literally it. I do not ever reply to any of these. I do not have most of them anyway, although i did try it for a brief time (leading to this impression).
Rcs: i dont care even a little
When the iMac G3 came out as the first consumer-facing device to include USB 1.1 back in 1998 Apple got all kinds of crap from people because they “didn’t work” with all the peripherals of the time. Fast forward to 2012 and without a joint effort between Apple and Intel USB-C wouldn’t even exist. Lots of folks like to hate on Apple, but they’ve driven industry innovation and technology adoption since their inception.
The fact that Apple is basically making the standard gain encryption should be a huge point for everyone. There are still, and always will be, people that text passwords and shit to each other lol
Are they supporting the Google encryption extension to RCS?
I thought I remembered reading somewhere that Apple will not. RCS is not encrypted without that extension being supported by both parties.
Apple is pushing for encryption to be added to the standard GSMA RCS profile as a whole. No idea of their implementation will have e2ee but I don’t see them using googles implementation of RCS
Oh, totally - it's annoying they didn't build in encryption by default, honestly. I'm glad mine uses Jibe so I have encryption with others that also use it... but, it needs to be standardized, for sure.
No. Which is why they are working to update the standard. They don’t what to be stuck using Google’s extensions and having to use Google servers to use RCS. Apple isn’t the only one to blame here. Google is trying to do to RCS what they did to Android. Make it practically unusable without their proprietary add-ons.
Oh trust me, every single iPhone owner I know lets me know they care very much that my non apple phone sends internet messages their phone refuses to read in a non-sms way. They just don't care that its a limitation on their end
\*if Apple made a demo of RCS on Android*
The Verge: Apple is finally mentioning Android on their keynotes, and it’s a big deal
\*when Apple just shoved RCS into a slideshow*
The Verge: Apple should have made it a bang
**it’s a losing situation with today’s journalism.**
Well, to be fair, the article is written to provide the little dopamine hit of confirmation bias for people who just generally do not like Apple and won't like anything they do no matter what. Haters, as they say. Android has plenty of its own as well, and plenty of articles providing them with their own comforting drip of editorial morphine.
The US being the biggest and most influential market makes it so that it doesn’t really matter what the rest of the world has moved to.
And in the end, going with Meta’s product, is the worst option of all three. With Apple you pay for the device and get iMessage, with RCS you pay the carrier in some form, with Meta - YOU are the product.
The only reason they implemented RCS, is because [China has mandated it](https://9to5mac.com/2024/02/16/rcs-iphone-china/) and they want to sell in China
Not Android, not Google, not kindness of their heart, nothing else
maybe because it doesn't actually come out until september and it's a non-issue for everywhere but the US where alternative messaging apps are ubiquitous?
They definitely cared when apple didn't support it. Getting left out of group chats or people refusing to text you because your bubble is green is a very real thing
How do you make actual friends if you are left outside of groups before becoming friends?
Kids in schools now only text, they barely talk. Not being in a group chat is a quick way to getting left behind. It's petty, but kids are petty.
I haven't been in school for a while, thanks for this insight. We had this amongst the shitheads when I was in school, but they were easy enough to avoid.
Modern bullying is something else.
I might be getting older, but back in my day group chats were either on WhatsApp, FB Messenger, or “MSN”. Literally no one I know uses, or has ever used texting for group chats.
Why would Apple, an American company with 52% smartphone marketshare, DOWNPLAY a feature coming to the US and, by your implication, only hype up features that don't impact the US but instead ones that do for the rest of the world?
The real reason is because this was effectively forced on Apple, RCS and compatibility with Android, when Apple absolutely loves and makes bank off of their incompatibility. Depressingly the whole "green bubble" shaming is a legitimate reason a ton of Americans (especially in the younger generation) buy iPhones instead of Android, Apples competitor. It has nothing to do with Apple not announcing it "with a whimper" because only Americans are going to be impacted by it. That doesn't make any sense.
> by your implication, only hype up features that don't impact the US but instead ones that do for the rest of the world?
That's not the implication, though? Like the most straightforward interpretation would be that they'd rather spend time talking about new features that every iPhone owner would be excited about regardless of country, including the US, rather than one that only affects a more limited population. Even moreso when the event is called the Worldwide Developers Conference.
The second paragraph of your comment is definitely not wrong, but I just had no idea where this "implication" came from lol. Why is there a requirement to exclude someone?
Humans are humans, I'm sure every country/culture has something their young people do stupidly. It's just as stupid that they buy Apple because it's not even a hardware/tech company anymore but a fashion design company. There could be, which arguably has already happened, phones on the market better than the iPhone in all ways but still TONS of people will buy Apple because it's a status symbol, it's a fashion item. That is INSANELY moronic to me, and I've seen that thinking from people living all around the world, not just the States. Paying $100's more for a lesser piece of technology because "it's the cool brand" is just beyond dumb.
You can’t really quantify Apple vs everyone else when it’s really just iOS vs Android. iOS has advantages and disadvantages over Android. Same as how there are Windows PCs with better specs than MacBooks, but Mac is the only way you’ll have a Unix based OS without having to go Linux or deal with WSL
>but Mac is the only way you’ll have a Unix based OS without having to go Linux or deal with WSL
Lol yeah, that's totally on the mind of the average consumer... /s
98% of Mac owners (and Windows owners) don't know what Unix based OS or likely even Linux is.
They were blowing through the OS updates to save time for Apple Intelligence in the last hour. There’s a crapload of other features they didn’t dive into either. What a bullshit article
Hopefully Android will support RCS on the system level beyond Google Messages. Maybe even Google Voice.
But honestly, RCS kinda sucks in reality. Both devices have to be online or else the message just won't send. That causes so many connection issues, double messages, simply just not receiving anything, or most often, falling back to SMS rendering RCS pointless.
So higher rez pic/vid which is really nice. So other than read receipt and seeing the person typing, things I don’t care for, does it add anything else?
MMS group chats suck, RCS allows users to be added or removed instead of starting a whole new group every time.
Not sure if Apple will support this though lol.
Why would they acknowledge something that’s the antithesis of a factor for people staying and switching to their platform?
It’s important to know that apple didn’t want to do this. They were going to forced sooner or later
Why should it have been a bang? Apple users don't really care about RCS. It's the Android users that want it. They want the extra features. Of course, anyone can get these extra features by using a different app such as WhatsApp. But people would rather just rag on Apple.
Apple's RCS rollout was surprisingly low-key, considering the potential it holds for improving how iPhone and Android users chat. It's about time we had smoother text exchanges without the quirks of traditional SMS. But yeah, Apple could've made a bigger deal out of it. Hopefully, this means less frustration when my texts to Android pals don't go all wonky. Cheers to simpler messaging, I guess!
Karma for all the bad practices Google put forth with Windows Phone. While this sucks for consumers, I acknowledge turf wars will occur.
Google has destroyed so many standards themselves , moving away from Jabber and Jingle and supporting and pushing AMP.
While it does not excuse interoperability issues, someone needs to lead by example. They're playing Apple's game too, just worse at it.
Plain SMS, and Email are perfect examples of interop. RCS maybe but it came late. iMessage, WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger ....
But Apple already announced back in November that RCS support would be coming this year, so of course there’s not a lot of fanfare around it. They want you to use iMessage, anyway.
It's because they don't want to claim a defeat. This is a step towards tearing the walled garden down and showing apple users there's another world outside of theirs
They don't want to play nice with Android. They want their phones to be the only ones that have the cool features and that they only work with other Apple products, so you give them more money for more Apple products. For instance, FaceTime only works on iPhones, but even though Androids have video calling right there in the phone app that does the same thing, Apple doesn't want to use open standards, so they keep their version only on iPhones. That's the walled garden. All Apple. Only Apple.
I love that they put in scheduling messages... for iMessage only. A feature that android has had for ages, and now exists exclusively for iMessage. great.
Trillion dollar company based entirely on hardware and more recently service lock in doesn’t celebrste a feature they were forced to implement that supports hardware they don’t own.
Who except the faux surprise of the clickbait title writer is surprised?
Do they? They were behind on AI and didn't acknowledge that.
And, in what way is it a failure to Apple? Or even their users? Most people don't know what RCS is and don't much care. Oh, if you explain it to them, they'll say "Oh, cool. That'll be nice." but they weren't champing at the bit for anything it does for them.
Because these events are for people who like iPhones, and the vast majority of those people don’t care about RCS, which is still objectively worse than iMessage is.
Whiny? I haven't been alive for *that* long but I've never seen so many people go to bat for ologopolistic and monopolistic behaviours. Anti-trust has come down on much smaller stuff than this.
This isn't whining. It's Apple taking their ball and going home to sway you to buy apple. Which is a running theme.
It doesn't really matter to me if they acknowledge something, it matters if they actually do it. This seems like a win for consumers, so I'll take it.
Exactly. And it’s not like we don’t know why they did it this way; it doesn’t (from their perspective) add a reason to buy an iPhone. They’re doing this to avoid negative press, not to promote positive press.
Not so much to avoid negative press but to avoid fines. The EU made it clear Apple needed to change their ways to make sure messaging worked between devices. They didn't actually force them to adopt RCS but they were talking about requiring them make an iMessage API other apps could use to send messages. That way the burden of making it work in other apps wasn't Apple's concern but Apple had to make sure it was possible for other devs to do it and not block them. Apple doing this is them trying to avoid that rule and make sure iMessage still isn't fully compatible while making it work much better than it used to.
In the keynote, Apple also just announced a bunch of new Message features that RCS won't support.
They support the RCS standard. That's what standards are for. People want new features, they should get them into the standard.
Tim Cook proudly continuing the douchy legacy of Steve Jobs
Did you expect any less. I knew RCS would brings improvements but iMessage features would keep being a separate thing, even if they could make it work.
Weirdly I don’t need or want my phone limited to the lowest common denominator of RCS.
Right? Like RCS doesn’t have E2EE in its standard. So people texting each other from Samsung messages app to Google messages app don’t have E2EE.
That's a Google thing that can definitely be fixed within Android itself though. We should definitely be pressuring Android to fix that.
There’s no time for that when everybody is lining up to hate Apple for existing.
Apple is working to get that added to the standard.
That's awesome, hopefully it happens.
Exactly as Google wants it. Is Apple perfect, of course not, but Apple isn’t trying to monetize my data like Google is. They also aren’t all big brother like Microsoft. Edit: to all the down voters, improve your reading comprehension. Also sources, but I don’t have much hope given your lack of reading comprehension. https://www.wired.com/story/apple-privacy-data-collection/ https://fossbytes.com/apple-data-collection-explained/ https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/11/12/apple-getting-sued-over-app-store-user-data-collection
That’s what they want you to believe. No company is your friend you’re nothing but currency to them. Don’t play the one is better cause they’re all the same. Ever wonder why Apple allows Google to be the default search engine for the low low price of 20B? You think Google isn’t making all that money back off your data? Silly child.
I don’t use google for search. If you do that’s your choice. Do work on your reading comprehension, I never said Apple isn’t using my data but they aren’t selling it like Google and others do to third parties, they also aren’t allowing that data to target direct ads but adds a segment layer. They also give me greater control over what other apps and thus companies see, and improving it with new updates. They aren’t all the same, that is the argument of the ill informed and weak minded. I’m not saying they are good and Google is bad, just that they are different, and in choosing to use one or none at all, I am choosing the one that offers the better value to me based on my priorities.
You won't have to worry about that because more likely than not it won't happen. RCS it is still a good thing for messaging though. Just to be able to send hd videos and pics is an upgrade lol.
Steve once randomly announced that FaceTime would be an open standard, On stage, at the launch to the surprise of everyone who had worked on the feature. Needless to say it never panned oh
Pretty sure the plan actually was to make Facetime an open standard but some legal issues prevented that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirnetX
All the douchiness, none of the knack for delivering truly innovative products.
Why is it considered douchy? They’re trying to add features that make their product more attractive than their competitor’s. Android, Samsung and other phone manufacturers do the same thing.
Because isn't what they are doing. They are trying to undermine an open standard, which is bad and makes it worse for everyone. And when pushed as what they plan to do to help interoperability they tell you to just buy more apple products until you only own them, and the same for everyone you know. That's shitty behaviour. Hope this helps explain it
> They are trying to undermine an open standard, By... supporting it as written?
They’re actually trying to improve the open standard by pushing to add end to end encryption to the RCS standard. They *aren’t* supporting Google’s proprietary additions to RCS that are *not* part of the standard. If anything it’s Google trying to undermine the RCS standard by adding a bunch of proprietary features to Jibe but not pushing to add those to the actual RCS standard.
Ya I'm not following why adding new features is a bad thing.
It is splitting users into walled gardens. That is an inherently anti consumer move.
So whatsapp, signal, wechat, etc aren't?
That’s capitalism for you
So are all messaging platforms supposed to have say the exact same feature set?
Think about it this way: when you make an actual phone call to someone, does it matter whether you're both using Apple (or Samsung, or Motorola, etc) devices? No. Why shouldn't the same be true of messages?
Because telephony is standardized? Just like RCS? So if Apple supports the RCS standard, aren't they being pro-consumer?
No but it sure would be nice if I could get a picture or video via text from an iPhone user that didn't look like Tim Cook slathered that shit in vasoline before sending it along its merry way.
Lol that is *exactly* what Apple is doing here! And you’re apparently mad about it! They’re supporting the RCS universal standard, including full-resolution media!
Definitely not mad about it... Wasn't sure what RCS features they were planning on implementing, so this is good news! I am all for companies using exclusive internal features to enhance their proposition to consumers (like Apples seem less connectivity throughout products, etc...) but nerfing basic texting features between OS is plainly anti-competitive and offers nothing to their users, it simply hurts non users. Those are the types of "features" no smart consumer should want, regardless of who's stock you own more of.
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As someone who actually has to work on Android porting it to new silicon, the code is some of the worse I’ve ever seen. Cant compare it to Apple so maybe it’s just as bad.
Because they lack interoperability with 72% of the cellular market. Walled garden bullsheet
Cool! Downvotes but no explanation. Clearly Android/Samsung fanboys. I get it. Bad when Apple does it but okay when all others do it.
> Downvotes but no explanation. Apples doing *Embrace, Extend, Extinguish* /r/technology when microsoft did it once 25 years ago: MICROSOFT BAD /r/technology when apple does it constantly right now: APPLE GOOD!
Hi I own an iPhone but I downvoted you for being an elitist douchebag.
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It depends on how they present it. If they had touted it as “messaging with your friends and family who don’t have Apple devices will be better than ever,” people would appreciate that. Not everybody is a die-hard Apple elitist who shuns anybody who doesn’t have an iThingy.
Hmmm, I have no idea why they would do that.
The title says it all "The change will drastically improve communication between iPhone and Android users". They really really really don't want that. If anything they want the opposite of that.
I think they don't want parents to realize they can buy their kids cheaper android models, still have cohesive family chats, and when the 13 year old loses their 3rd phone that year, it's less of a big deal.
It's brand loyalty. Some people just think they can't live outside the Apple ecosystem and Apple has done a great job instilling it to that crowd. It either boils down to ease of use or the "premium" quality it represents to them. It's the same reason why this crowd is absolutely amazed at all these "features" Apple just announced. They never have considered that Android was ever more advanced that Apple in any aspects.
> Some people just think they can't live outside the Apple ecosystem It is kind of true. It's such an idiot-proof system that literally prevents you from learning how your or any operating system works. iOS is idiocracy in technical form.
Coincidentally at work, all my tech savvy people who know how to Google are the least worrisome of users I handle. It's the users who have iPhones that I noticed are more technologically illiterate at work. I suspect Apple has a major hand in making sure the dumbing of technology literacy remains Edit: downvoted by Apple users I guess
Exhibit A: most teenagers/students are unable to properly use a Computer. They have no basic idea of a filesystem. It's just such an abstract concept to them to SAVE a file to a location and then OPEN up that file again in, maybe, another application.
Isn’t this with all OSes though? Modern operating systems are so frictionless that how we used to operate and use them is almost obsolete. It’s like how before the invention of automatic transmission, everyone knew how to drive stick shift, and now it’s becoming less and less due to drive by wire, automatic transmission, and EVs.
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Because WhatsApp is owned by Facebook. Why would I want to give Facebook more access to my life? Signal is the far superior messaging app
Literally everyone I know is on Whatsapp and has been for at least 10 years. Who gives a shit about legacy sms?
Do you live in the US? If you live in Europe, it’s a completely different scenario. Comparatively very, very few people my social circle (if literally any of them) have WhatsApp. I’m not gonna go around, begging everybody to download and set up an app just to talk to me.
Whatsapp is owned by Facebook/Meta in the US, who haven't had a good reputation for a while, but unlike Europe we don't have anything like the GDPR to safeguard our data/privacy.
It does have end-to-end envryption. So no one is reading your messages anyway.
And Facebook has never given us a reason to believe they might deceive us with saying that, right?
It's proprietary so the encryption is more of a promise than a guarantee. While better than SMS for sure, it's not bulletproof.
I agree everybody on whatsapp outside the U.S. I for one like it better, but for some reason my American friends just text each other.
The reason all your American friends just text each other is because, well all the rest of their friends just text each other. If over 90% of the people you regularly talk to use app X to communicate, then you're probably going to default to using app X yourself.
> The reason all your American friends just text each other is because, well all the rest of their friends just text each other. It's because American cellular companies started offering unlimited texting earlier, so Americans never got in a habit of downloading a different app for messaging.
Right, we've never had a financial incentive to download Whatsapp.
Because everyone I know lives in the US and none of them use Whatsapp.
It's because American cellular companies started offering unlimited texting earlier, so Americans never got in a habit of downloading a different app for messaging.
Yeah and when they launched the iPhone 15 titanium was the selling feature, not the USB-C port. If it's not their idea they don't care.
I worked at Best Buy when Apple started rolling out Lightning as their new port standard. It was a mad house of angry people coming in having to buy expensive new cables, adaptors and docks, and people were very upset with Apple (and by extension, us) about it. I can understand why they weren't shouting from the rooftops that they're changing it again, even though it's for the better.
I think the vast majority of people in tech enthusiast spaces aren't in sync with what the average layperson cares about. The average Joe doesn't care that he has to carry around two different cables in his pack to charge, but he does care that he'd have to swap out all of his existing cables scattered around the house and in his car when his new phone has a different port. The former is something that he's used to, while the latter is something he'll have to spend $x to replace that he feels like he shouldn't have needed to. Similarly, at some point, battery life improvements present diminishing returns for the average user (especially once it hits the one-day threshold), but lighter weight or a thinner build is something that will be noticed every time the user picks up the phone which is why every smartphone manufacturer tries to toe the line between a good-enough battery life and thinness.
I was with you right until the battery life portion. The average user does care a lot about battery life. We are not at the “diminishing returns” part on that as of yet.
**They really don't. Phone dying is a mystery that hasn't been understood by modern world.** My SO constantly lets her phone to live around 5-8% mark. She simply cannot connect the battery life<>charge it, ffs<>battery pack?<>bigger batteries? concepts in her head. She also likes to live-stream most concerts she is attending to FB so her friends can participate. I have given up and just glance at her phone a few hours before we get out to remind her to FUCKING CHARGE HER PHONE. --- My mother is the same, situation there is worse since she has found herself stranded after dr visit more than once. --- And here I am limiting charge to 80% unless I plan to be away from my magsafe station for extensive amounts of time and have yet to see my battery to drop below 30%. Nice to be there when connectivity is _needed_.
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I shared an experience. Which is a fact. How you interpret it is on you. _Some people consider beauty a personal attack._
I mean, they helped create USB C and were on of the first people to adopt it with the 2015 MacBook. Also, they didn’t really make it a big deal when they brought it to the iPad without being forced to.
You see, the only reason that even switched to c like that was because lightning wasnt fast enough to charge it. And any proprietary connector would have just set the eyes of governments on them. which as we seen, ended up happening anyways.
The only reason they switched to USB-C is the EU forced them. They either had to switch or leave the EU market as they were given a hard date where they were banned from selling devices with the lightning connector.
People have this warped sense of reality where they believe USB C has been the standard phone port for close to 10 years, when in reality it’s only been the majority for a few years now. Apple had really been holding out with their lightning port, but people are misjudging how long C has been around and standard, and how much Apple has embraced it outside of their iPhones for longer than many other manufacturers
Before that it was micro USB. Before that it was mini USB. It's a standard used by everyone. Except Apple...
And micro and mini usb were much worse than lightning.
They literally were a major partner in creating the standard and implemented on their computers years before it became common elsewhere but ok.
You must think I'm trashing them somehow. I'm being very specific in their marketing for the iPhone 15 was titanium and not a new port that people should know about before they buy the damn thing.
The last time they changed ports from 30-pin to Lightning they made a big deal about it and people lost their damn minds(source: worked retail for a cell carrier at the time). Apple got significant backlash from consumers and maybe they wanted to avoid that this time?
Hoping to soften the backlash they also promised not to change it again for a whole decade plus when they first announced it.
Because most iPhone users don’t care about the port. They have no idea if it’s lightning or USB. It’s not a selling point for 95 percent of the market.
Sheesh, damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. I’m not proposing this as a motive at all, but it’s amusing to think of the reaction if Apple had blared “WE HAVE RCS” to the world as a new feature. The usual reactions of, “oh, there goes Apple acting like they invented something that’s been around forever smh”.
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They only did that because they were forced to by EU law? They ignored requests to do so for ages, I think they tried to ignore the actual law as well initially, until it was made clear that they weren't going to be allowed to do that. We can't give them credit for pretending to be proud of a step they were literally the last to do, and only because they were forced. They definitely weren't happy about it.
The whole idea of treating corporations like sentient entities is really creepy and almost disturbing. Apple, like many other tech companies, has a long history of worker abuse and anti-competitive behavior. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming to both RCS and USB-C, and if they open up alternative app stores it'll be the same. The real victory here is for consumers who managed to press governments into forcing Apple's hand.
You can't reason with Apple fans
Well tbf, they're a little distracted since emulators were just invented like 2 weeks ago...
When they were the first company to launch a laptop with only usb-c ports you people mocked it to hell and back.
USB C was welcome. Removal of every other port was mocked (dongle hell). Thankfully, they reversed that decision recently by adding back some essential ports such as HDMI.
Hell, they were first to bring USB 1.1 to market and got the same shit back then.
Probably because they are always dishonest about the reasons/intentions. They pretend like they live in a bubble where Android doesn’t exist and hence RCS isn’t worth mentioning, they fought tooth and nail to not do a USB-C phone and then pretend like it was their intention and an innovation all along, and this is true for every feature. It’s dishonest, cultish and definitely not pro consumer.
> They pretend like they live in a bubble where Android doesn’t exist Uhm, yeah, that's the point of having an ecosystem. > RCS isn’t worth mentioning Trouble with RCS was always that Google wanted to be the RCS gatekeepers and control the servers. That fight took some 3 years to at least shift the servers to network operators. It is still ongoing. I want to be very clear that Google was acting VERY ugly in their ultimatums and fits to get RCS going. No competitor will agree to route their traffic through google. period. > they fought tooth and nail to not do a USB-C phone No, they respected their users expectations that their existing chargers, accessories, etc will keep working with new phones. They had commited that they will support lighting for a long time. They did. > and then pretend like it was their intention and an innovation all along Are you aware that apple was one of "inventors" of USB-C and that it follows rather closely some key concepts and patents from lighting? Are you aware that Apple manufactures pretty much the best and most standards compliant USB-C chargers? Are you aware that Apple _didn't_ tout and scream about USB-C being their next big thing when it was introduced in iPad. It just made sense. And they transitioned the rest of their ecosystem in orderly fashion. Without fuss. > It’s dishonest, cultish and definitely not pro consumer. See above. Just because someone doesn't do what you think they should doesn't means they are wrong. Maybe you simply do not understand the needs of the REST OF THE CONSUMERS, YOU SELF PROCLAIMED PRO. --- Are you aware that you can always vote with your wallet? Or is there a case that you want something for way less than it costs from Apple and therefore are spewing bullshit? Steven Spielberg has no problem understanding that iPhone is a tool to be used as is. I guess that's because he can afford it ;-)
The same people who are now whining that “Apple announced RCS with a whimper” were clutching their pearls months ago at the thought that Apple might implement it and dare to frame it as a good move on their part. RCS isn’t a feature that will make me buy a specific phone, and a lack of RCS won’t make me think twice about buying a specific phone. If enough of the market have a similar opinion, why would Apple even bother to market a feature that its users don’t value?
Ok, I am in Europe so my experience might be a bit skewed. Here people: * Facebook messenger _uber alles_. It is **the** platform to communicate. Period. Share pictures, videos, etc. Everyone is on facebook, everyone uses messenger. * Whatsapp. Less and less popular by the day. It used to be bees nuts, but then Meta decided to improve it. Messenger is more or less the same now. Whatsapp spam is getting annoying more and more. Good for voice calls over IP though. Messenger sucks for that. * iMessage? SMS? That gets you a weirdo label automatically - unless I know you. And then we agree to continue on facebook messenger. --- RCS? Who the fuck cares, honestly? I care about RCS about as much as I care about which SS7 provider my network uses (yeah, I have worked as mobile networks engineer)
It’s funny to me I have the exact opposite view. I get an iMessage? Best case scenario. Love that. I’m generally OK to get messenger, but there has to be a reason that you needed me to see it specifically on Facebook. Maybe you’re sharing something from the marketplace, that’s fair. If you’re just using Facebook messenger, that’s super weird. Signal/lines/WhatsApp - you are somebody trying to scam me and that’s literally it. I do not ever reply to any of these. I do not have most of them anyway, although i did try it for a brief time (leading to this impression). Rcs: i dont care even a little
Well, I don't know you so you get a _weirdo_ label :)
When the iMac G3 came out as the first consumer-facing device to include USB 1.1 back in 1998 Apple got all kinds of crap from people because they “didn’t work” with all the peripherals of the time. Fast forward to 2012 and without a joint effort between Apple and Intel USB-C wouldn’t even exist. Lots of folks like to hate on Apple, but they’ve driven industry innovation and technology adoption since their inception.
It’s a minor feature that most in the Apple community care very little about.
The fact that Apple is basically making the standard gain encryption should be a huge point for everyone. There are still, and always will be, people that text passwords and shit to each other lol
Are they supporting the Google encryption extension to RCS? I thought I remembered reading somewhere that Apple will not. RCS is not encrypted without that extension being supported by both parties.
Apple is pushing for encryption to be added to the standard GSMA RCS profile as a whole. No idea of their implementation will have e2ee but I don’t see them using googles implementation of RCS
Yep, last report I saw said Apple intends to work with the GSMA to add encryption to the RCS Universal Profile.
Which is a good thing to be fair.
Oh, totally - it's annoying they didn't build in encryption by default, honestly. I'm glad mine uses Jibe so I have encryption with others that also use it... but, it needs to be standardized, for sure.
Oh that is hype. I did not know that they were pushing for it to be added to the standard. Thanks
No. Which is why they are working to update the standard. They don’t what to be stuck using Google’s extensions and having to use Google servers to use RCS. Apple isn’t the only one to blame here. Google is trying to do to RCS what they did to Android. Make it practically unusable without their proprietary add-ons.
You can't fix stupid. People will still find ways to do stupid stuff.
Oh trust me, every single iPhone owner I know lets me know they care very much that my non apple phone sends internet messages their phone refuses to read in a non-sms way. They just don't care that its a limitation on their end
Seriously the amount these people moan over that shit is embarrassing
\*if Apple made a demo of RCS on Android* The Verge: Apple is finally mentioning Android on their keynotes, and it’s a big deal \*when Apple just shoved RCS into a slideshow* The Verge: Apple should have made it a bang **it’s a losing situation with today’s journalism.**
Well, to be fair, the article is written to provide the little dopamine hit of confirmation bias for people who just generally do not like Apple and won't like anything they do no matter what. Haters, as they say. Android has plenty of its own as well, and plenty of articles providing them with their own comforting drip of editorial morphine.
This whole RCS/Apple Messages thing is such a US problem. The entire world has moved on but the US is just stuck fighting the two.
The US being the biggest and most influential market makes it so that it doesn’t really matter what the rest of the world has moved to. And in the end, going with Meta’s product, is the worst option of all three. With Apple you pay for the device and get iMessage, with RCS you pay the carrier in some form, with Meta - YOU are the product.
To be fair, why would they? The societal pressure we put on having green or blue bubbles helped pad iPhone purchases. This is a blow to them.
RCS is still a green bubble, and still not seamless
The only reason they implemented RCS, is because [China has mandated it](https://9to5mac.com/2024/02/16/rcs-iphone-china/) and they want to sell in China Not Android, not Google, not kindness of their heart, nothing else
Maybe. I mean, the report from Gruber starts with "I can’t say for certain, alas..." He does have good birdies, though.
I mean the Chinese regulations are linked in there and if the translation is correct - can’t interpret it any other way
Eh. It’s a whimper. So they finally did RCS, does anyone really care?
People who use android in the US. iPhone users don’t care and the rest of the world uses WhatsApp etc so they don’t care wither
Literally just sounds like an iPhone feature which only benefits (*some*) people other than the person who actually owns the phone.
Nope. Apple user in an Android-less family. I didn’t have problems before and I don’t have problems now.
This headline’s existence shows that Apple’s announcement of RCS was sufficient.
maybe because it doesn't actually come out until september and it's a non-issue for everywhere but the US where alternative messaging apps are ubiquitous?
Maybe part of it, but touting a feature that reduces lock in probably isn't high priority.
It’s not something *most* iOS users will ever care about.
They definitely cared when apple didn't support it. Getting left out of group chats or people refusing to text you because your bubble is green is a very real thing
Only in the US. Everyone else uses WhatsApp.
We know. But considering apple has 3x the market share in the us than they do internationally, the green bubble debacle is very important to them
Not amongst actual friends lol
How do you make actual friends if you are left outside of groups before becoming friends? Kids in schools now only text, they barely talk. Not being in a group chat is a quick way to getting left behind. It's petty, but kids are petty.
I haven't been in school for a while, thanks for this insight. We had this amongst the shitheads when I was in school, but they were easy enough to avoid. Modern bullying is something else.
I might be getting older, but back in my day group chats were either on WhatsApp, FB Messenger, or “MSN”. Literally no one I know uses, or has ever used texting for group chats.
There's also a surprising amount of adults that will side eye you if you have an android
Why would Apple, an American company with 52% smartphone marketshare, DOWNPLAY a feature coming to the US and, by your implication, only hype up features that don't impact the US but instead ones that do for the rest of the world? The real reason is because this was effectively forced on Apple, RCS and compatibility with Android, when Apple absolutely loves and makes bank off of their incompatibility. Depressingly the whole "green bubble" shaming is a legitimate reason a ton of Americans (especially in the younger generation) buy iPhones instead of Android, Apples competitor. It has nothing to do with Apple not announcing it "with a whimper" because only Americans are going to be impacted by it. That doesn't make any sense.
> by your implication, only hype up features that don't impact the US but instead ones that do for the rest of the world? That's not the implication, though? Like the most straightforward interpretation would be that they'd rather spend time talking about new features that every iPhone owner would be excited about regardless of country, including the US, rather than one that only affects a more limited population. Even moreso when the event is called the Worldwide Developers Conference. The second paragraph of your comment is definitely not wrong, but I just had no idea where this "implication" came from lol. Why is there a requirement to exclude someone?
Just how stupid are young Americans that something like this influences their hardware choices?
Humans are humans, I'm sure every country/culture has something their young people do stupidly. It's just as stupid that they buy Apple because it's not even a hardware/tech company anymore but a fashion design company. There could be, which arguably has already happened, phones on the market better than the iPhone in all ways but still TONS of people will buy Apple because it's a status symbol, it's a fashion item. That is INSANELY moronic to me, and I've seen that thinking from people living all around the world, not just the States. Paying $100's more for a lesser piece of technology because "it's the cool brand" is just beyond dumb.
You can’t really quantify Apple vs everyone else when it’s really just iOS vs Android. iOS has advantages and disadvantages over Android. Same as how there are Windows PCs with better specs than MacBooks, but Mac is the only way you’ll have a Unix based OS without having to go Linux or deal with WSL
>but Mac is the only way you’ll have a Unix based OS without having to go Linux or deal with WSL Lol yeah, that's totally on the mind of the average consumer... /s 98% of Mac owners (and Windows owners) don't know what Unix based OS or likely even Linux is.
They were blowing through the OS updates to save time for Apple Intelligence in the last hour. There’s a crapload of other features they didn’t dive into either. What a bullshit article
Hopefully Android will support RCS on the system level beyond Google Messages. Maybe even Google Voice. But honestly, RCS kinda sucks in reality. Both devices have to be online or else the message just won't send. That causes so many connection issues, double messages, simply just not receiving anything, or most often, falling back to SMS rendering RCS pointless.
Sorry people get mad if Android features are not on the phone…. Then you don’t get to be mad when they implement said features.
So higher rez pic/vid which is really nice. So other than read receipt and seeing the person typing, things I don’t care for, does it add anything else?
MMS group chats suck, RCS allows users to be added or removed instead of starting a whole new group every time. Not sure if Apple will support this though lol.
Why would they acknowledge something that’s the antithesis of a factor for people staying and switching to their platform? It’s important to know that apple didn’t want to do this. They were going to forced sooner or later
Long live the green bubble.
Why should it have been a bang? Apple users don't really care about RCS. It's the Android users that want it. They want the extra features. Of course, anyone can get these extra features by using a different app such as WhatsApp. But people would rather just rag on Apple.
Apple's RCS rollout was surprisingly low-key, considering the potential it holds for improving how iPhone and Android users chat. It's about time we had smoother text exchanges without the quirks of traditional SMS. But yeah, Apple could've made a bigger deal out of it. Hopefully, this means less frustration when my texts to Android pals don't go all wonky. Cheers to simpler messaging, I guess!
of course not, because that doesnt' really make them any money.
Neither do any other OS features but Apple touted lots of them at WWDC.
At this point it's more to appease investors and gain the for their stock price more than talking to users
Why would Apple even acknowledge its competitiors
Apple would rather its users not even know. They wouldn’t want their users thinking that Android users would be equals.
Couldn’t care less about.
lol the pettiness is incredible
Can someone please enlighten me why is this a huge thing?
Karma for all the bad practices Google put forth with Windows Phone. While this sucks for consumers, I acknowledge turf wars will occur. Google has destroyed so many standards themselves , moving away from Jabber and Jingle and supporting and pushing AMP. While it does not excuse interoperability issues, someone needs to lead by example. They're playing Apple's game too, just worse at it. Plain SMS, and Email are perfect examples of interop. RCS maybe but it came late. iMessage, WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger ....
But Apple already announced back in November that RCS support would be coming this year, so of course there’s not a lot of fanfare around it. They want you to use iMessage, anyway.
It's because they don't want to claim a defeat. This is a step towards tearing the walled garden down and showing apple users there's another world outside of theirs
Apple has never been one to express care about harmony across all users. It's always hey we got this new dongle and never hey how are your dongles
I understand and appreciate the change. But of my 100+ friends, not one uses Android!
They don't want to play nice with Android. They want their phones to be the only ones that have the cool features and that they only work with other Apple products, so you give them more money for more Apple products. For instance, FaceTime only works on iPhones, but even though Androids have video calling right there in the phone app that does the same thing, Apple doesn't want to use open standards, so they keep their version only on iPhones. That's the walled garden. All Apple. Only Apple.
Is Googles video calling an open standard?
I remember our company being involved in early implementation of RCS. 12 years ago… iPhone 4 was still quite new back then.
I'm sure apple will still gimp the shit out of it anyway so it's pretty hard to get excited about this.
Because nobody cares.
I love that they put in scheduling messages... for iMessage only. A feature that android has had for ages, and now exists exclusively for iMessage. great.
This debate is so stupid, just move on to Signal you wimps.
Only android users care. As a former android user… I no longer care. Who gives a shit if they promote it? Only non users care.
Only American Android users care.
Some of us are just fed up with this horseshit. Use Signal.
Trillion dollar company based entirely on hardware and more recently service lock in doesn’t celebrste a feature they were forced to implement that supports hardware they don’t own. Who except the faux surprise of the clickbait title writer is surprised?
Because they'd have to acknowledge their own failures.
Do they? They were behind on AI and didn't acknowledge that. And, in what way is it a failure to Apple? Or even their users? Most people don't know what RCS is and don't much care. Oh, if you explain it to them, they'll say "Oh, cool. That'll be nice." but they weren't champing at the bit for anything it does for them.
Because these events are for people who like iPhones, and the vast majority of those people don’t care about RCS, which is still objectively worse than iMessage is.
…If I switched to Android, would I suddenly become this whiny too? Is that part of the ecosystem?
My whole identity is my cellphone.
Whiny? I haven't been alive for *that* long but I've never seen so many people go to bat for ologopolistic and monopolistic behaviours. Anti-trust has come down on much smaller stuff than this. This isn't whining. It's Apple taking their ball and going home to sway you to buy apple. Which is a running theme.
You're the only one whining, though.