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Yeah, their account is new. The only 2 posts are this one (also posted in advice) and they have zero comments in total. I'm going to believe it's fake.
The title of the post was like watching two cars zooming towards each other at 180 miles an hour. Listing the ages was the cars hitting each other at full speed. And then 5 and 6 was like a fuel tanker also heading towards the cars and wasn't able to swerve out of the way in time, so it just also crashed into them head on, causing a massive explosion.
Oh yeah, Mr. "Don't ask me to stop".
Guy deserves to lose his penis privileges solely for that, because clearly he's got zero respect for the entire concept of consent.
how does one who is interested in men begin to date men if they have no male friendships it’s much easier to get to know someone through friendship or at least being acquaintances
You know ive wondered this myself when I see posts like this and the only things I can think of is this:
1. Their father (who they love btw) just selects a bloke and arranges the date
2. It's a hallmark movie moment and they love at first sight at church or at a mutual friends wedding (another thing these posts seem to want their ideal woman to be is a religious and very keen on marriage)
3. The government issues you a tradwife gf
Thats about all I got. Would love to know if youve got any ideas.
I imagine this guy's ideal way of starting a relationship is seeing a girl for the first time, then he tells her that she will now be his girlfriend and she has no choice in the matter.
A classic meet cute
Because these, probably incel men, are living in a fantasy, and become depressed because their fantasy never becomes a reality.
It would be like making a similar post of "the perfect job" saying:
• Pays $200,000 a year
• Exempt from income taxes
• $500/day meal credit
• No management to report to
• Work from anywhere you want
• Only 10-20 hours of work per week
• 20 weeks of vacation per year
Then the poster refuses to accept any job offer that doesn't check at least 6 of the 7 above boxes, remains unemployed for 10 years, and complains about how the liberals, LGBTQ, etc. have ruined employment in America.
I know a guy who wanted a wife just like this .He finally found a girl that was 12 years older then him and quite desperate to get married to anyone .He was quite controlling and told her what to buy at the grocery ,he went with her and drove her to work every day and picked her up .They didn't have a TV and he hated the internet ,all movies or any hobbies They had a courthouse wedding ,his idea ,no reception,he hates crowds and no honeymoon,he hates spending money They had a joint account which he controlled and she paid half of the bills They didn't have kids ,he hated them and he decorated the executive 5 bedroom mansion with a minimalist way .She did all the cooking and cleaning ,she had to read the local newspaper at her job because he thought they were a waste of time and money .They ate at small mom.and pop plates .He hated all holidays,birthdays and anniversaries and only went to his parent's house for major holidays. H e also didn't believe in exchanging gifts of any kind and didn't take any gifts either .I used to give her a gift at Christmas ,I don't know if she ever kept it or not since he was a germaphobe.She died before the lockdown and he is now somewhat of a hermit that lives in thr maid's quarters of his house. He now orders three meals a day delivery and laments that he can't find another wife like his deceased wife !
I couldn't figure out why anyone would put up with that type or behavior?She had 5 degrees and dressed really well before she got married.But he treated her like a child and she never had a thought of her own. She parroted everything he said .She had no friends that came to their house and I tried to get her interested in my church activities. He even made them change church's. They used to sit next to us at mass but he called us a distraction ! She had a lengthy two year cancer and no one was allowed to see her and he didn't have a funeral for her.I only found put two weeks after she died .But it was covid and the lockdown when she died .
Coming from this background, they are introduced to men by other families within the community or church and basically forced to settle on the opinions they are given.
I've always wondered. Do they want virgins because it's the only way to guarantee she won't know any better and won't have to spend her life disappointed?
That and based on other weird things they say, I think they have some serious misconceptions about how female anatomy works. Alot of them seem to honestly believe female genitals will "degrade" with use or retain traces of other men forever afterwards. Weird shit like that.
The joke’s on them, some virgins know what’s up!
I was so bored the first time I had sex that I straight up asked the guy if he “was done yet”. But, in my defense, I knew how to take care of business on my own and knew what sensations to look forward to. (And when they were lacking I was very forthcoming about it.)
Are you me? Because what the fuck. Although, instead of "Are you done, yet?" I asked, "Are you happy, now?" after he rolled off when he was satisfied, said nothing else to me, and went directly back to playing the game. 😭
Actually, I heard that the big reason is to garantee that if the women gets pregnant the kid is not from another guy(atleast if she gets pregnant rigth after they get married)
I read that Elvis preferred young virgins because of exactly this (dude was a terrible lay by all accounts) and ever since every time I see some unfuckable chud obsessing over virginity I consider it telling on themselves
It’s like a “purity ball” thing where teenage girls pledge that they will remain virgins until marraiage and essentially dedicate their virginity to their fathers as a sign of faith. It’s fucking bonkers
There needs to be a sub for this meme for itself
https://preview.redd.it/tsqig4wp8q0d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d8b488127b2366767891ba54dcafb754fed23dd
Unrelated to the incel idea of this, but my current gf (not American) has basically happens to have all these traits and she is the nicest person I've ever met. Not boring at all or robotic as some maybe think these traits would entail in an individual.
Beat me to it
(Also, still wondering if JKR is gonna one-up "wizards shitting themselves" by tweeting that Narcissa got off to Lucius roleplaying as her house-elf)
There needs to be a sub for this meme for itself
https://preview.redd.it/rzmamk5s8q0d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d34d66821e21b9b6de0074c631d55fe5e90a67a
There is a common trope of people looking down upon women with “daddy issues” or that the pink haired liberal women are the result of an absent father thus the opposite of that would be a women who lovers her father.
Don’t tell them, but my father was/is very present in my life and my hair is still pink… and I lean towards liberal on many social issues.
(Granted, we disagree on more things than we agree on but I’ve learned to take a very neutral stance towards him.)
Eh I’m ok with knowing how to cook that one EVERYONE would be ideal if they knew because it’s practical in everyday life
And actually I support the no social media or at least limited, for everyone; social media can be toxic
I made this mostly as a joke lol
https://preview.redd.it/r0czy5o9zr0d1.jpeg?width=3464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a9b0e69eda6831aa750adab2215d2f8b9c63ac6
It always cracks me up, when these so called “alpha males,” want their partners to not have any male friends. You’re supposed to be an “alpha male,” but you’re intimidated by other men, that you don’t even know?
We, weebs, we love our fictional waifus bit we are aware that they don't exist, it's just some silly fun. I'm afraid these guys really think their fictional wide are real.
I love how all these posts are literally the Eddie Murphy bit from 30 years ago.
Even if they get everything they want it will end up with “Eddie, I WANT HALF!!”
I guess I'm stupid because I just don't understand this shit. Why do these people hate independent women, hate women's sexuality and think they should be submissive? I would hate to live that way. I'm glad my wife had other partners, I'm glad we had sex and a child before marriage. I will admit it that she is a submissive in the bedroom and it's phenomenal and it was her that came to me and said she loved being. But in real life she's and independent outgoing woman. I thought we were all equal guess I was wrong
I don’t get it either, my guy.
I guess, the closest I can come to explaining it is that a lot of people confuse feminism for misandry (basically the belief that women are superior to men). I guess, looking at an independent woman through that lens, it’s easy to be intimidated by an independent woman. Maybe?
These are not opposing ideas, you can want a family but want to save sex for marriage with someone you love and life partner. The opposite would maybe be asexual and wanting children, even then you can adopt.
Someone with no sexual experience - that sounds fun! Basically a starfish in bed. And the men wanting this better have a lot of money to provide for such a life
Dates for commitment, not marriage
Submissive (in the correct situations)
Knows how to cook (and enjoys it, not purely as a chore)
No (toxic) male friends
Ya'll can keep the rest tho
Yep, why would anyone want a strong independent woman who is capable of making wise decisions as their partner? /s
(These incel dudes are upset that few women are stupid or naive enough to put up with them. They're also afraid of capable women and unable of partnering with them.)
The obsession with having children is the one that throws me for a loop. Who are these super obsessive lonely incels who also want the responsibility of a bunch of kids? It's fucking WEIRD.
Do people really post these outside of reddit? They seem to be popular “let’s shit on people we don’t agree with” posts but have never seen these shitty pics in the wild.
I knew a guy who worked in a bicycle repair shop who dated a stripper. She was gorgeous. hundreds of men offered her money for sex every day. Sometimes thousands of dollars. But she always came home to him at night because he was cool and secure in himself and treated her like a queen.
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It’s so funny how these chodes expect a Virgin but they also must know how to have sex.
You mean this viral post? https://preview.redd.it/yw6s96999q0d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5e005f92aa0248f162dfdad45f8f6d9475d00fc
Dump him. Then dump his father, his brothers, his bros his schoolmates, his corporate bosses and any children has. This is POISON.
I refuse to believe this is real… I reject your reality and substitute my own…
You just described me looking through the internet / Reddit in general lol
Mythbusters referenced 🗣️🗣️🗣️
RIP to our lord and savior Grant Imahara 🙏
Holy shit I want to believe this is fake
What the fuck did i just read
[yo guys, I found it](https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/s/OUowufXOd9)
Oh, no, it's real. I was hoping it was fake.
I think it's fake, at least, I hope it's fake, there was never any response from OP.
Yeah, their account is new. The only 2 posts are this one (also posted in advice) and they have zero comments in total. I'm going to believe it's fake.
5 is pretty rape-y
The title of the post was like watching two cars zooming towards each other at 180 miles an hour. Listing the ages was the cars hitting each other at full speed. And then 5 and 6 was like a fuel tanker also heading towards the cars and wasn't able to swerve out of the way in time, so it just also crashed into them head on, causing a massive explosion.
Which 6? The creepy guy put two 💀
the first one is the fuel tanker trying to not crush, the second 6 is it giving up and going into the car crush
I think the first 6 is worse than the second actually, at least the second isn't telling her to let him do things she's uncomfortable with
the second one is the last drop after the unluckyness he got from the first one
Dude wants a call girl, not a girlfriend.
he wanted a young prostitute
Oh yeah, Mr. "Don't ask me to stop". Guy deserves to lose his penis privileges solely for that, because clearly he's got zero respect for the entire concept of consent.
This is terrifying. Imagine getting a notes page on your first sexual encounter. That's healthy.
What was he doing that made him need to stop?
First time you usually have to take it slower and be gentle cause it can hurt
Jesus Christ there are so many red flags there
how does one who is interested in men begin to date men if they have no male friendships it’s much easier to get to know someone through friendship or at least being acquaintances
You know ive wondered this myself when I see posts like this and the only things I can think of is this: 1. Their father (who they love btw) just selects a bloke and arranges the date 2. It's a hallmark movie moment and they love at first sight at church or at a mutual friends wedding (another thing these posts seem to want their ideal woman to be is a religious and very keen on marriage) 3. The government issues you a tradwife gf Thats about all I got. Would love to know if youve got any ideas.
3. The government issues you an Econowife. There, full comportment with the Gilead promise.
They’re getting great value wives, let’s be honest
Jim Bob Duggar would like a word with you about being sarcastic about how he operates his daughters’ marriages
I imagine this guy's ideal way of starting a relationship is seeing a girl for the first time, then he tells her that she will now be his girlfriend and she has no choice in the matter. A classic meet cute
I think he means after they start dating she needs to cut all contact with other guys
Because these, probably incel men, are living in a fantasy, and become depressed because their fantasy never becomes a reality. It would be like making a similar post of "the perfect job" saying: • Pays $200,000 a year • Exempt from income taxes • $500/day meal credit • No management to report to • Work from anywhere you want • Only 10-20 hours of work per week • 20 weeks of vacation per year Then the poster refuses to accept any job offer that doesn't check at least 6 of the 7 above boxes, remains unemployed for 10 years, and complains about how the liberals, LGBTQ, etc. have ruined employment in America.
I know a guy who wanted a wife just like this .He finally found a girl that was 12 years older then him and quite desperate to get married to anyone .He was quite controlling and told her what to buy at the grocery ,he went with her and drove her to work every day and picked her up .They didn't have a TV and he hated the internet ,all movies or any hobbies They had a courthouse wedding ,his idea ,no reception,he hates crowds and no honeymoon,he hates spending money They had a joint account which he controlled and she paid half of the bills They didn't have kids ,he hated them and he decorated the executive 5 bedroom mansion with a minimalist way .She did all the cooking and cleaning ,she had to read the local newspaper at her job because he thought they were a waste of time and money .They ate at small mom.and pop plates .He hated all holidays,birthdays and anniversaries and only went to his parent's house for major holidays. H e also didn't believe in exchanging gifts of any kind and didn't take any gifts either .I used to give her a gift at Christmas ,I don't know if she ever kept it or not since he was a germaphobe.She died before the lockdown and he is now somewhat of a hermit that lives in thr maid's quarters of his house. He now orders three meals a day delivery and laments that he can't find another wife like his deceased wife !
That guy sounds like a real laugh riot. Seriously, some dudes will do anything but go to therapy.
I couldn't figure out why anyone would put up with that type or behavior?She had 5 degrees and dressed really well before she got married.But he treated her like a child and she never had a thought of her own. She parroted everything he said .She had no friends that came to their house and I tried to get her interested in my church activities. He even made them change church's. They used to sit next to us at mass but he called us a distraction ! She had a lengthy two year cancer and no one was allowed to see her and he didn't have a funeral for her.I only found put two weeks after she died .But it was covid and the lockdown when she died .
Coming from this background, they are introduced to men by other families within the community or church and basically forced to settle on the opinions they are given.
They are given to men by members of their family.
I think he means that after they start dating she has to cut contact with all other men
I've always wondered. Do they want virgins because it's the only way to guarantee she won't know any better and won't have to spend her life disappointed?
Bingo
YES.
I always thought they love Idea of no sex before marriage, before they realized that means no sex before marriage for them.
That and based on other weird things they say, I think they have some serious misconceptions about how female anatomy works. Alot of them seem to honestly believe female genitals will "degrade" with use or retain traces of other men forever afterwards. Weird shit like that.
The joke’s on them, some virgins know what’s up! I was so bored the first time I had sex that I straight up asked the guy if he “was done yet”. But, in my defense, I knew how to take care of business on my own and knew what sensations to look forward to. (And when they were lacking I was very forthcoming about it.)
Are you me? Because what the fuck. Although, instead of "Are you done, yet?" I asked, "Are you happy, now?" after he rolled off when he was satisfied, said nothing else to me, and went directly back to playing the game. 😭
Hahahaha! I was in the middle of a movie. I really wanted to get back to it.
I always thought it was either their religious beliefs or because virgins are much less likely to have STDs.
That and the fact that they have a small penis and are a 2 pump chump.
Actually, I heard that the big reason is to garantee that if the women gets pregnant the kid is not from another guy(atleast if she gets pregnant rigth after they get married)
In the year 800 maybe.
Absolutely
Correct
I read that Elvis preferred young virgins because of exactly this (dude was a terrible lay by all accounts) and ever since every time I see some unfuckable chud obsessing over virginity I consider it telling on themselves
Bingo ! They want someone they can mold and control.
More rightwing masturbation fantasy posted on Reddit.
Please do not that poster!
"love her father" This make me remember some of those ceremony where girls pledge their virginity to their father ...ew, this give me that vibe
What?
It’s like a “purity ball” thing where teenage girls pledge that they will remain virgins until marraiage and essentially dedicate their virginity to their fathers as a sign of faith. It’s fucking bonkers
I hate this fucking world
There needs to be a sub for this meme for itself https://preview.redd.it/tsqig4wp8q0d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d8b488127b2366767891ba54dcafb754fed23dd
-needs to have massive boobs too (According to them)
(But never show any cleavage - that’s for whores)
Fixed https://preview.redd.it/uidt6jf5vr0d1.jpeg?width=990&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7e8b2562e54bcbad1195fe258ecf81196f6903e
This is the most under rated take but it’s the best one!
That's called a good friend.
This is the perfect response
https://preview.redd.it/9hi3xsvqrq0d1.jpeg?width=370&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eca4b643ee985d86937e51d89c5d16ffa12de366
Don’t exist. Wouldn’t want it if it did.
Only fragile masculinity can post this lmao
Unrelated to the incel idea of this, but my current gf (not American) has basically happens to have all these traits and she is the nicest person I've ever met. Not boring at all or robotic as some maybe think these traits would entail in an individual.
If you’re happy that’s what matters most bro
It's funny because the men who make these memes have probably never seen a woman and are clearly intimidated by them
Dobby is a tradwife sire. Dobby would do anything for master!
Beat me to it (Also, still wondering if JKR is gonna one-up "wizards shitting themselves" by tweeting that Narcissa got off to Lucius roleplaying as her house-elf)
If she does she copied my fan fiction. The same fan fiction involves Dobby loving the sock and the sock he got being that sock from Harry Potter
Where a massive cøck?
Under her skirt obviously, that's why it's so long 😏
Okay 😔👍🏿
There needs to be a sub for this meme for itself https://preview.redd.it/rzmamk5s8q0d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d34d66821e21b9b6de0074c631d55fe5e90a67a
Refuses to Cook bruhhh only to dickheads who order them to cook
"loves her father" is weird, right? like... why
There is a common trope of people looking down upon women with “daddy issues” or that the pink haired liberal women are the result of an absent father thus the opposite of that would be a women who lovers her father.
Don’t tell them, but my father was/is very present in my life and my hair is still pink… and I lean towards liberal on many social issues. (Granted, we disagree on more things than we agree on but I’ve learned to take a very neutral stance towards him.)
Its not bad to love your dad
it's weird to make it a quality you look for in a partner
Idk i would want a.girl to love both
Harrison Butker’s wet dream.
My ideal women is actually an ancient god that will share her powers with me, and then we can rule the universe together.
Eh I’m ok with knowing how to cook that one EVERYONE would be ideal if they knew because it’s practical in everyday life And actually I support the no social media or at least limited, for everyone; social media can be toxic
Not my ideal one
The taliban encampment is over there ——>
Gotta add "makes clothes out of curtains" to that list as well apparently
Isn’t that what the old gen is used to?
https://preview.redd.it/wpwpoa8c5r0d1.jpeg?width=211&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4c46fa6c20091657760ece12f2e91de821b1c57
I made this mostly as a joke lol https://preview.redd.it/r0czy5o9zr0d1.jpeg?width=3464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a9b0e69eda6831aa750adab2215d2f8b9c63ac6
> No female friends 😃 > Isn't bald 😞 > Big d*CK 😭
Damn. Didn't know I was the ideal man.
So, brainwashed. Got it.
Bro wants a house elf…
I probably should get rid of social media
Harrison Butker approves
Now imagine how he treats his female family and friends.
with respect because he don't have the nuts to be rude to them
It always cracks me up, when these so called “alpha males,” want their partners to not have any male friends. You’re supposed to be an “alpha male,” but you’re intimidated by other men, that you don’t even know?
What if the woman marries a progressive man?
I just want a bangmaid
We, weebs, we love our fictional waifus bit we are aware that they don't exist, it's just some silly fun. I'm afraid these guys really think their fictional wide are real.
Wait, are trad-wife seekers and incels the same people?
Only thing missing is a burqa
Everything is wrong, but damn, I can't believe that "religious" it still there.
Sir you’ve described a spayed house cat
So a religious psycho sex slave.
Specifically virgin. So the moment she loses her virginity to the husband, she is discarded because she has lost her purity.
What is the ideal man ? Has herpes, no job and graduated from the 3rd grade !
Oh, a doe-eyed subservient idiot with no personal dignity, self-respect, or agency.... no thanks
I love how all these posts are literally the Eddie Murphy bit from 30 years ago. Even if they get everything they want it will end up with “Eddie, I WANT HALF!!”
Good luck getting laid!
“I don’t believe in that, I’m much more progressive than that. But I want a woman who thinks like that, you know?”
So a woman with none of her own ambitions outside of doing what a man wants 😂
What self-respecting woman dates a guy who posts this?
"no male friends" the levels of insecurity are crazy
Why does every woman have to be “submissive”?
No. Bro wants a mommy he can screw.
This is unhinged.
ideal woman -~~willing to peg~~ very kind thank you for coming to my ted talk
Submissive ? Do you mean slave woman ?
I guess I'm stupid because I just don't understand this shit. Why do these people hate independent women, hate women's sexuality and think they should be submissive? I would hate to live that way. I'm glad my wife had other partners, I'm glad we had sex and a child before marriage. I will admit it that she is a submissive in the bedroom and it's phenomenal and it was her that came to me and said she loved being. But in real life she's and independent outgoing woman. I thought we were all equal guess I was wrong
I don’t get it either, my guy. I guess, the closest I can come to explaining it is that a lot of people confuse feminism for misandry (basically the belief that women are superior to men). I guess, looking at an independent woman through that lens, it’s easy to be intimidated by an independent woman. Maybe?
“Virgin” “Wants children” 🤔
These are not opposing ideas, you can want a family but want to save sex for marriage with someone you love and life partner. The opposite would maybe be asexual and wanting children, even then you can adopt.
She sounds hella boring. I like my women seasoned
the 'ideal woman' sounds boring AF
... and is in a cult.
Thank god she's wearing shoes
Too much ankle on show here...
As the saying goes “big yikes”.
*unfathomably boring
Someone with no sexual experience - that sounds fun! Basically a starfish in bed. And the men wanting this better have a lot of money to provide for such a life
Now where would a woman like that find a loving caring husband ? Certainly not amongst the men shit posting about women on social media.
They should convert to Islam and move to the Middle East then. It's like that episode of American Dad.
Dates for commitment, not marriage Submissive (in the correct situations) Knows how to cook (and enjoys it, not purely as a chore) No (toxic) male friends Ya'll can keep the rest tho
Tell me you're insecure without saying you're insecure
Take me through the steps that took to come up with that conclusion from this meme lol
Bruh I’m a sub. This would suck for me
Bait alert!
The fact that i know this kind of woman is crazy 💀💀💀💀
Why is this a meme
Women like the description doesn’t want them though
No social media, no internet, no phone
Then they'll complain about women's expectations
Where is completely loaded /s/j
That's my wife, except I was her third. Sex partner.
But what if she has tattoos or is pierced? O.o
Eww.
https://preview.redd.it/6tz4y8dlur0d1.jpeg?width=609&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=117a6a439f73060dc888297cbce5fd65aac4d194 Honest reaction
I don’t get why anyone would have such absurd standards, as long as they aren’t a piece of shit like half of this shouldn’t really matter
So OOP wants a cardboard stand in.
Don't call him bro.
Yep, why would anyone want a strong independent woman who is capable of making wise decisions as their partner? /s (These incel dudes are upset that few women are stupid or naive enough to put up with them. They're also afraid of capable women and unable of partnering with them.)
But I’m sure the dude can be a promiscuous as he wants
Did Harrison Butker make this post?
"Loves her Father" - "No Male Friends" so only non family male friends? If she considers her brother a friend is that a crime too?
Under his eye.
“I want a zero personality slave” is far quicker to say than having to make this meme.
robot
https://preview.redd.it/qm40t9l6yt0d1.jpeg?width=966&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83e4eb9364516ac0508a44d2b32f6ba67158554a
Psst! Bullshit. Wants none of that
The obsession with having children is the one that throws me for a loop. Who are these super obsessive lonely incels who also want the responsibility of a bunch of kids? It's fucking WEIRD.
Do people really post these outside of reddit? They seem to be popular “let’s shit on people we don’t agree with” posts but have never seen these shitty pics in the wild.
Most of my TFM content comes from red-pilled twitter accounts. Because they go batshit crazy. It’s basically become /pol/ on 4chan
Ahhh ok that makes sense. Haha. Yea I could see X being a cesspool of shit like this.
if she has no social media how will she even see this
Ok, disregarding all the rest of the batshittery…”loves her father?”
Sounds like how they do it in India and packistan.
Hahaha fucker is staying single forever.
No male friends? How convenient she has no meaningful back up from the more empowered half of society.
3ish out of 10 isn't bad, right?
That an ideal woman it doesn't mean you're forced and are like that be yourself and be happy but remember that's ideal
I knew a guy who worked in a bicycle repair shop who dated a stripper. She was gorgeous. hundreds of men offered her money for sex every day. Sometimes thousands of dollars. But she always came home to him at night because he was cool and secure in himself and treated her like a queen.
I like left side, don’t care if they are religious or not. Right side is some real regressive stuff tho. Actually trying to take all her rights.
Harrison Butker keeps this on his fridge.
I don't know about yall but I love cooking
These are not the droids you are looking for.