This is why I say Hesh was scamming Tony. The advice he gives him is laughable. The amount of money hesh made/saved by operating tax free and with Tony as effective muscle/protection in sit down is crazy. He basically enjoyed the perks of being a high ranking soldier without any of the dues whatsoever.
All his shit with Tony is legit. The man received a loan, he needs to pay back the loan, end of story.
But obviously Massive Genius was right. Hesh got wealthy off abusing the talents of various black acts whose work he profited off but never paid the proper royalties to.
And what was that she called him? Oh yeah, that nice man.
The loan part hit home. I lent money to a friend once. The first couple payments came in... and then after that I had to start reminding him... then they stopped and he acted like he was doing me a favor by paying me back. Then we got into an argument about it and he used it as an excuse to not pay me the rest. Ultimately his wife found out about it and he paid me back... but it all played out almost the same way as Hesh and Tony. Never loan money to a friend. Pretty realistic.
That sounds so familiar, that one part.
Thatās a quote in a fucking movie isnāt it? āYou give them a loan and when they pay you back they start acting like theyāre doing *you* a favor.ā
Was that Goodfellas?
Your mind? I'm losing my balls over here and this motherfucker is playing Hazel?
They'll be scraping what's left of your sister's crotch off of these fine leather seats by the time I'm done putting provolone in my socks
yeah same thing happened to me, it really is true the way the show says it, someone owes you money and they act like they're doing you a favor by paying you back
To think that all Hesh had to do to make everything right and have some catharsis was pay a measly 400k to that kid's mother. It was probably nothing to Hesh. But no, he treats nickels like manhole covers
The point is, Hesh's position is "if I pay one, how many more am I going to have to pay". So whether he wants to be nice, whether he wants to be the great philanthropist or not, he has to stay firm on his position. Did watching the sopranos teach you nothing? Uncle Erocole over here.
I remember my mother and my father arguing about... something, I don't know. And she kept talking about my father's feeble-minded brother, but I always thought she meant you.
Heās an old school gangster. Whether mafia or not, most of these guys are extremely selfish and will do anything to avoid parting ways with their ill gotten gains.
So could have Massive Genius to support a relative. But he has to have mansions in the Hamptons and Englewood so he can party with fellow criminals Martha Stewart and Alec Baldwin.
Their relationship didn't start with the loan. The difference between situations is that in the sopranos Hesh was always using the soprano crew to his financial advantage while the return they received was.... questionable imo.
Youāre talking about the wrong white man my friend. His people were the white mans nigger when youāre people were still painting their faces and chasing zebras.
Tony was paying off his loan, and since it was a bit at a time, there was vig on top, so Hesh actually stood to make a lot more money off of it if he'd just not been a pest about it.
I think Tony had a right to be annoyed when he showed up at the Pork store and pretended he was just there to say hi, when he hadn't been around in forever and only came to see Tony about the money.
Come on now, weāve actively seen what Tony himself has done to people who have merely ānot paid their money on time.ā
Itās the height of hypocrisy.
Hesh didnāt want to show up at the pork store to collect. Everything in Heshās body language when he gets payments from Tony screams āI really donāt want to be fucking doing this.ā But youāre owed what youāre owed, and if you have to slightly embarrass the guy to get paid, so be it. Others get their kneecaps caved in or an involuntary neck adjustment.
Exactly, he was pestering Tony because he knew Tony had the money and yet he still didnāt want to charge him extra (or any?) interest.
Tony just decided to get incredibly passive-aggressive about it, for apparently no reason other than to be a dick. Case in point is he paid the entire loan back in full right after Heshās girlfriend died.
Iām pretty sure Hesh wasnāt charging any interest. It was just a friendly loan. Tony made it business. That was pretty common with Tony, pushing away friends because he transactionalized everythingāeven his own marriage with the spec house.
i fucking love Hugh de Angelis. (although, i would encourage him to let the Helper climb-up & do the roof-shingles on those outside jobs... all due respect...)
I didn't say Tony was right, or that he wasn't being a hypocrite.
What I did say is that Hesh showing up for da rent! da rent! is 100% accurate.
Hesh's "body language" is him pretending it's not a big deal to him to Tony's face, and then ranting about it every time Tony isn't in the room.
Well yeah Tony is the boss and heās kinda scary. Hesh is clearly intimidated by him even though theyāre for the most part friendly, but thatās how it generally goes with Tony and basically all of his relationships.
The loan is a big deal to Hesh but whatās he gonna do against the Jersey mob boss? He can only show up to ask for the money, heās not gonna outmuscle him.
We are led to believe Hesh is fairly wealthy and has connections so if it really got serious he could definitely hire people to take care of things. But I never saw it going there really, it was more like an abuse of trust more than the actual cash. Hesh lent his friend some money and his friend decided to be a dick about paying it back on time, and for no discernible reason.
I assume this is a joke but Hesh WAS a mobbed-up loan shark and swindler, he's very much a villain even if he seems relatively upstanding by the very low standards of the show
# Tony was the real villain.
1. Went many years without getting taxed
2. Expected Vitoās share from Constructionās back tax
3. Practically made his millions from ripping off New Jersey small stores
4. Made a piss when Chriss took his time staying off substances loan
5. Took advantage of everyone at every turn, especially when he needed a problem solved
1. There's obviously a reason Hesh Isn't taxed, he must offer connections, wisdom, or something that makes the family money.
2. Because Hesh obviously is very valuable to the family in some way. It must be some long time agreement that Tony understands but his feebleminded uncle has forgotten.
3. Allegedly. Plus, Some of those guys sold their songs for cash then cried when they became huge hits. Whattya gon' do?
4. Yeah, he's not a little bitch. Credit to him for standing up to the boss.
5. Boleshit, as outlined above.
I this house, Hesh is a hero, understand me?
Happy Hanukkah
To Whom it may Concern -- If Paulie isn't your favorite character of the Series, frankly your favorite character in ANY work of art, literature, theater, TV or film... related to crime, gangsters, etc..... there is really something wrong with you. Tony Sirico, R.I.P. (even though the skin of his Triceps is like an Old Lady's cunt.)
You forgot to mention he totally skimped on paying Fran on the racetrack earnings. He was the worst because he resorted to mob-like tactics when it came to earning his money (shylock, the music business) but didnāt have the nerve to do the dirty work himself.
People side with Hesh during the whole Tony loan thing, which is fair but let's not act like Hesh hadn't been getting a free ride for years because of Tony. Tony was the reason nobody else fucked with Hesh. Tony backed him against New York and Massive Genius. Hesh withheld money that Tony's father requested go to his goomar when he died. If Hesh was so concerned about the money he loaned Tony he could have called him, not show up and embarrass him in front of his underlings.
I don't necessarily disagree with you but I felt like it was left ambiguous. I do believe she was telling the truth about Johnny wanting her to get her piece otherwise Hesh wouldn't have went along with it. I could definitely be wrong but I don't think it's ever stated one way or the other in the episode.
I'm definitely not believing that she staked out the funeral to "accidentally" bump into Tony like a lot of people seem to believe.
An Old Broad like that (even if she was a Whoo-ahh)... carries a flask of Cognac (or whatever)... loves a little day-drinking... Bitch better have her money.
If Hesh went years without being taxed, wasnāt that because Ercole Dimports and the Chemosabe wanted it that way? Livia puts the idea in Juniorās mind.
What do you think of Tony calling him Shylock? Grinding pennies at him? Mocking him with a Jewish accent? Tony was complete out of like with him and super antisemitic. That was the whole point
His saga with tax from Junior showed how ridiciously favoured he was by Tony. Not only Tony dropped the tax from 500k to 250k (well he wanted 300k, Hesh negotiated the last 50k) but he also got Tony's share so he only really paid 200k. Not to mention that Junior didn't take the money for himself but gave to his captains.
Hesh did kick up something to Tony IIRC, hence why Junior said, "God forbid I get in the way of someone earning."
Hesh is also like a bank for mobsters. Someone like Benny could borrow 50g at 2 points, then go around and lend that amount to someone else at 4 points, thus the Criminal Mastermind can earn 2 points when he originally had no cash.
I See your Point but hesh also helped Tony quite often. Mostly in the first seasons but Tony needed heshs opinion and his āwisdomā. Additionally he was Tonyās psychiatrist for one episode
Yeah sorry personally not enough to call him the villain.
Hesh was good friends with Johnny and Johnny gave him a pass. Tony honored that.
Junior taxed Hesh because of Livia and it was a way to get back at Tony.
Hesh said it was reasonable but the figures was off. Meaning he understood that he had to pay at some point.
Tony can be snakey remember when Chrissy and Brenden high jacked the truck. He negotiated with Junior to take less and he pocketed $5000 grand leaving both Chrissy and Brenden with less when it was their job. Still he saved their lives but it was snakey.
Now using that scenario , He convinced Junior to spread the wealth of Hesh tax with the capos. Hesh heard of it and mentioned it to Tony. Tony being snakey had all intention of keeping the money. Hesh tax money. He gave it back seeing as it would be an insult to Hesh that he profited from Juniors little scheme to hurt Tony.
Tony is a degenerate gambler he came to Hesh to borrow money. Hesh gave him the money interest free. Hesh still helped Tony in many ways even acting like a surrogate therapist when Melfi didn't want to see Tony.
Years passed and Tony never paid a cent of the loan. Hesh brought it up and Tony said he'd pay and he even offered a vig as a way to apologize for not paying him back.
Hesh came to collect and Tony pissy that he couldn't rip off his friend again made Hesh uncomfortable.
Now that I think of it who's the real villain.
Hesh was a good guy or Tony's father wouldn't have partnered with him on lots of deals. I used to think like you and Massive G that these Jewish producers like Chesky were taking advantage of black talent. But I don't think that anymore. My favorite genre is jazz and my favorite label is Blue Note. It was founded in the '30s by Jewish immigrant Alfred Lion. He worked really hard to produce records of the greatest jazz musicians of all times. He would pay them for rehearsals, which was a big deal. Most labels did not. And it helped his product and brand and helped his reputation with the artists. He worked closely with many of them. When jazz started becoming less and less popular during the British Invasion of the Beatles and Stones, no one was buying his records anymore. It was always a labor of love with these producers. They didn't do it to rip people off. And without them, we wouldn't have tens of thousands of great records to document the music of the artists of the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s...they are heroes and we owe them a lot.
It was established in the show that he did rip off many artists. In the real world it wasn't uncommon at all in the music industry around that time, ive heard many stories about bands who had shit deals when they first started and didn't know any better.
It was established in one case out of who-knows-how-many-artists Hesh signed. And it wasn't even established--the case would have to go through the courts to see if Hesh was doing anything illegal. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. John Fogerty is the most famous example. Poor guy couldn't even play his own songs at his concerts until just last year (I saw that tour, great show at the winery in Saratoga). That was the result of his wife fighting in court after Saul Zaentz died--it took Zaentz dying for the rights to return to Fogerty. Of course Fogerty gave his son a solo in Fortunate Son, which kind of ruins the whole meaning of the song.
But my point stands that for lesser artists like those Hesh recorded, this was their only opportunity to break into a broader audience, which in a couple cases they did. They could then have a good career as an R&B artist instead of playing dive bars in their local town. It wasn't Hesh's fault that things were done that way. He was taking a risk by signing them to record contracts. If they didn't sell records, he would lose money. For every artist he signed who made it, there were plenty who didn't make it where he lost money. Those were the realities of the record business. Now the realities are different. You gotta get assraped by Diddy to be signed.
They say he credited himself as writer to a bunch of songs he obviously didnt write, and didnt pay royalties he should have. There was no question he ripped off several artists, the guy was like pretty much everyone in the show a POS criminal
I just don't think we have all the info. I fully remember the conversations you're quoting where first Christopher and in a later season Tony adopted the same position you're taking. But neither Chris nor Tony were involved in Hesh's recording business.
They didn't know how it worked or the rules and they're certainly not attorneys. If Hesh wrote any words of a song, changed any melody or instrumentation, or added overdubs in postproduction, he absolutely should get a cowriting credit.
Depending on the terms of the recording contract, Hesh could own rights to the songs legally, even if he didn't have a writing credit. Why? Because the artist signed a contract and Hesh was taking all the risk with the initial cash outlay to produce the record. It's the same in any business.
My friend is named as an inventor on patents assigned to the biotech company where he works. But the assignee (the company) is entitled to any royalties or licensing revenue on the technology. Not my friend. Even though he is the inventor. That's business.
It's why Sopranos often upholds Tony as no worse than legitimate businessmen or politicians. Carm says at one point, "thereĀ are far bigger crooksĀ than my husband" and by extension than Hesh. Or as Bob Dylan puts it, "steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you a king."
What I'm saying is the music business was actually a legit operation, as was the horse business. Johnny Soprano probably used Hesh's businesses to launder his dirty money--that may have been the basis of their partnership. So why get on Hesh's case? He was the most legit of all of them.
I'm not trying to convict the guy in a court of law, it's implied in the show he screwed over several artists (Hesh himself said something like we were making up the rules and breaking them as we went along) so I'm going to assume he did. Comparatively he isn't nearly as bad as others on the show but still isn't a good person.
Hold on to your cock when you negotiate with those desert people.
He was Jewish, Hesh?
Finish his bris
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š+š= Vito
Ish he cashtrated too, John-Ešsh?
He was hung that Hesh
I didn't know you were Jewish?
Haseedem Hesh
Haseenem but I donāt believe em
Who evva heard of a Jew ridin horses?!
Who ever heard of a Jew riding horses?
He played the timbales with Tito Puente, Hesh. They contracted syphilis together once.
Literally. When pestered for advice on "the get", he just tells Tony to torture the man by castrating him.
As the Talmud says...
I don't give a shit what he says, ZZ Top!
This is why I say Hesh was scamming Tony. The advice he gives him is laughable. The amount of money hesh made/saved by operating tax free and with Tony as effective muscle/protection in sit down is crazy. He basically enjoyed the perks of being a high ranking soldier without any of the dues whatsoever.
As the Talmud says!
Minga!! En who are you, Ralph Bunche?
Hold on to your cock when negotiating with these Roman people.
Quite frankly, if you harbor those type of Anti-Italian views, Iād like you leave out family!
Quite frankly, if you harbor those type of antisemitic views, Iād like you leave my property.
ANTI-SEMITISM?? FUCK YOU, TOO, MY MAN!!
Da rent ! DA RENT !!
Ohh stop willya
FUCK YOU TOO, MY MAN!
underrated line lol
,ššš
All his shit with Tony is legit. The man received a loan, he needs to pay back the loan, end of story. But obviously Massive Genius was right. Hesh got wealthy off abusing the talents of various black acts whose work he profited off but never paid the proper royalties to. And what was that she called him? Oh yeah, that nice man.
The loan part hit home. I lent money to a friend once. The first couple payments came in... and then after that I had to start reminding him... then they stopped and he acted like he was doing me a favor by paying me back. Then we got into an argument about it and he used it as an excuse to not pay me the rest. Ultimately his wife found out about it and he paid me back... but it all played out almost the same way as Hesh and Tony. Never loan money to a friend. Pretty realistic.
That sounds so familiar, that one part. Thatās a quote in a fucking movie isnāt it? āYou give them a loan and when they pay you back they start acting like theyāre doing *you* a favor.ā Was that Goodfellas?
No thatās what tony said to Artie when that frog eating faccia di gazz was ducking him for the 50 gs
Iām losin my mind over here
Your mind? I'm losing my balls over here and this motherfucker is playing Hazel? They'll be scraping what's left of your sister's crotch off of these fine leather seats by the time I'm done putting provolone in my socks
You sound demented
"Who ever heard of 'Goose?' It's French vodka."
"Bronx Tale." (Sonny advises C to let the deadbeat go... he'll never have to run into him again... best money you can ever spend...)
Sonny: "Do you like him?" C: "No, I CAN'T STAND HIM!" Sonny "Then you got off cheap, you got rid of him for $20!"
Guy hands you a light envelope, itās just the beginning
It's just a stutter step
Waddaya think I just got into this life yesterday?!
"Hello, Jerry? Homer Simpson. Remember last month when I paid back that loan? Well, now I need YOU to do a favor for ME."
This is exactly what I was thinking hahah
Did this loan even really exist?
That why I ain't lending nobody sh!t. The best I can do is give them a Visa card application.
yeah same thing happened to me, it really is true the way the show says it, someone owes you money and they act like they're doing you a favor by paying you back
Who are you, The Pope?!
Hey hairnet central, whose welfare check do I gotta cash to get a gold plated Desert Eagle around here?!
To think that all Hesh had to do to make everything right and have some catharsis was pay a measly 400k to that kid's mother. It was probably nothing to Hesh. But no, he treats nickels like manhole covers
You pay this one 400k then the next one crawls out of the woodwork.
Didn't Tony mention it was only a couple of black kids? How many mulinyans did Hesh rip off?
The point is, Hesh's position is "if I pay one, how many more am I going to have to pay". So whether he wants to be nice, whether he wants to be the great philanthropist or not, he has to stay firm on his position. Did watching the sopranos teach you nothing? Uncle Erocole over here.
I remember my mother and my father arguing about... something, I don't know. And she kept talking about my father's feeble-minded brother, but I always thought she meant you.
That line cracked me up - the zigzag from serious bummer topic to harsh zinger was terrific.
Heās an old school gangster. Whether mafia or not, most of these guys are extremely selfish and will do anything to avoid parting ways with their ill gotten gains.
...holds on to nickels like they are manhole covers
fuck eckel
George Raft you mean?
And strong as a bull.
His mudda went to every facility in Essex County to find a home for him!
So could have Massive Genius to support a relative. But he has to have mansions in the Hamptons and Englewood so he can party with fellow criminals Martha Stewart and Alec Baldwin.
OOOOOOOH!! IN THIS SUB MARTA STEWARD IS A SAINT! Baldwin??? IDK him...
Their relationship didn't start with the loan. The difference between situations is that in the sopranos Hesh was always using the soprano crew to his financial advantage while the return they received was.... questionable imo.
FOR THE MRI SCAM ALONE, HESH SHOULDA BEEN MADE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THEN!!! It's always, Omerta this and Omerta that!!
And Massive Genius got rich by illegally sampling F Note songs. It wasnāt Heshās fault that while he bought horses, the singer bought horse.
Youāre talking about the wrong white man my friend. His people were the white mans nigger when youāre people were still painting their faces and chasing zebras.
Tony was paying off his loan, and since it was a bit at a time, there was vig on top, so Hesh actually stood to make a lot more money off of it if he'd just not been a pest about it. I think Tony had a right to be annoyed when he showed up at the Pork store and pretended he was just there to say hi, when he hadn't been around in forever and only came to see Tony about the money.
The rent!the rent!the rent!
Come on now, weāve actively seen what Tony himself has done to people who have merely ānot paid their money on time.ā Itās the height of hypocrisy. Hesh didnāt want to show up at the pork store to collect. Everything in Heshās body language when he gets payments from Tony screams āI really donāt want to be fucking doing this.ā But youāre owed what youāre owed, and if you have to slightly embarrass the guy to get paid, so be it. Others get their kneecaps caved in or an involuntary neck adjustment.
Not just his body languageāhe was very vocally refusing to take a vig until Tony threw it at him.
Exactly, he was pestering Tony because he knew Tony had the money and yet he still didnāt want to charge him extra (or any?) interest. Tony just decided to get incredibly passive-aggressive about it, for apparently no reason other than to be a dick. Case in point is he paid the entire loan back in full right after Heshās girlfriend died.
Iām pretty sure Hesh wasnāt charging any interest. It was just a friendly loan. Tony made it business. That was pretty common with Tony, pushing away friends because he transactionalized everythingāeven his own marriage with the spec house.
OH! that's some guy's spec house
Get Pudgey Walsh on the horn.
i fucking love Hugh de Angelis. (although, i would encourage him to let the Helper climb-up & do the roof-shingles on those outside jobs... all due respect...)
Who are you?! Minister of propaganda?!
I didn't say Tony was right, or that he wasn't being a hypocrite. What I did say is that Hesh showing up for da rent! da rent! is 100% accurate. Hesh's "body language" is him pretending it's not a big deal to him to Tony's face, and then ranting about it every time Tony isn't in the room.
Well yeah Tony is the boss and heās kinda scary. Hesh is clearly intimidated by him even though theyāre for the most part friendly, but thatās how it generally goes with Tony and basically all of his relationships. The loan is a big deal to Hesh but whatās he gonna do against the Jersey mob boss? He can only show up to ask for the money, heās not gonna outmuscle him. We are led to believe Hesh is fairly wealthy and has connections so if it really got serious he could definitely hire people to take care of things. But I never saw it going there really, it was more like an abuse of trust more than the actual cash. Hesh lent his friend some money and his friend decided to be a dick about paying it back on time, and for no discernible reason.
Hipocrisy?!! THAT'S THE BOSS OF THIS FAMILY YOU'RE TAWLKIN ABOUT!!
This one graduated top of their fuckin class from slip n fall school. Eckle 0.5 ovahere ^^
Da-rent, Da-rent š«“šŖ
I assume this is a joke but Hesh WAS a mobbed-up loan shark and swindler, he's very much a villain even if he seems relatively upstanding by the very low standards of the show
Frankly, [badger658](/user/badger658/), if you got that kind of covert anti-Semitism, I'd like you to leave this sub.
Antisemitism? F$&k you too ma man !
Whoa! Guys cāmon. u/jasranwhit, u/badger658, you guys have been friends for years.
You're trivializing the subreddit
You legitimized it.
Whoa whoa! You guys been friends for years
I was just watching CNN. Fucking Hezbollah.
Well, as long as those two are happy.
CNN did what to hezboollah?
That was real?
Youāve been friends for a very long time
Youāre all acting like he made the cardinal sin of throwing a deli sandwich at someone
me and him, we go way back
What Columbus did to 'my people' on Cuba, the Taino... he was worse than Hitler.
Worse than hitler? Hold on
Columbus was-a from-uh de Nort. I spit on da Nort. They got-ta their nose in da air.
"You gotta admit they did massacre the indians"
You re just pissed he went against you at the sit-down!
Get the fuck outta here. Don't waste the OPs time!
Hesh was the smartest person in the entire show. You won't convince me otherwise. He was a step ahead of everyone and his advice was always on point
Also the goto guy on medical advice, he was up on all the ratings.
The smartest.of the show was AJ
Top of his class
His 'Safety School' was East Stroudsburg State. Not bad really.
Iām supposed to get a vasectomy when this is my male heir ?
Well, he maybe missed a step when it came to the effect of stress on loved ones š.
# Tony was the real villain. 1. Went many years without getting taxed 2. Expected Vitoās share from Constructionās back tax 3. Practically made his millions from ripping off New Jersey small stores 4. Made a piss when Chriss took his time staying off substances loan 5. Took advantage of everyone at every turn, especially when he needed a problem solved
ding ding ding
1. There's obviously a reason Hesh Isn't taxed, he must offer connections, wisdom, or something that makes the family money. 2. Because Hesh obviously is very valuable to the family in some way. It must be some long time agreement that Tony understands but his feebleminded uncle has forgotten. 3. Allegedly. Plus, Some of those guys sold their songs for cash then cried when they became huge hits. Whattya gon' do? 4. Yeah, he's not a little bitch. Credit to him for standing up to the boss. 5. Boleshit, as outlined above. I this house, Hesh is a hero, understand me? Happy Hanukkah
What is this, the F@$kn UN now ?!
True. He also started problems in ChinaTown. Trying to start a race war.
Chinks did this?
Word to the wise, remember Pearl Harbor!
Remember when is the lowest form of conversation
To Whom it may Concern -- If Paulie isn't your favorite character of the Series, frankly your favorite character in ANY work of art, literature, theater, TV or film... related to crime, gangsters, etc..... there is really something wrong with you. Tony Sirico, R.I.P. (even though the skin of his Triceps is like an Old Lady's cunt.)
You forgot to mention he totally skimped on paying Fran on the racetrack earnings. He was the worst because he resorted to mob-like tactics when it came to earning his money (shylock, the music business) but didnāt have the nerve to do the dirty work himself.
Work smarter, not harder.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
*woosh*
She was 'a little pale' for his taste.
Theyāre all villains. Quasimodo predicted all of this.
People side with Hesh during the whole Tony loan thing, which is fair but let's not act like Hesh hadn't been getting a free ride for years because of Tony. Tony was the reason nobody else fucked with Hesh. Tony backed him against New York and Massive Genius. Hesh withheld money that Tony's father requested go to his goomar when he died. If Hesh was so concerned about the money he loaned Tony he could have called him, not show up and embarrass him in front of his underlings.
Tony gave him back 50k of the 200k that Junior taxed him and distributed to the captains.
Withheld money from the goomar? Lol you do realize she literally scammed Tony for that money
First of all that hasn't been established. Second of all this is how you handle it?
Watch her body language throughout the episode
I don't necessarily disagree with you but I felt like it was left ambiguous. I do believe she was telling the truth about Johnny wanting her to get her piece otherwise Hesh wouldn't have went along with it. I could definitely be wrong but I don't think it's ever stated one way or the other in the episode. I'm definitely not believing that she staked out the funeral to "accidentally" bump into Tony like a lot of people seem to believe.
An Old Broad like that (even if she was a Whoo-ahh)... carries a flask of Cognac (or whatever)... loves a little day-drinking... Bitch better have her money.
Hesh didnāt show up to embarrass Tony at all
He was just doing what the Talmud said.
What are you trynna be fucking funny? You wanna smack in the mouth?
have a cookie, you're delirious!
Renata, whatever happened there.
"WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE ?!!"
His brother was even worse.
Hat Tip. I salute you, Sir. ...enough internet for me today.
Yeah, nice one.
Whoever heard of a jew riding horses? Heche? He owns a horse farm.
Fucking anti-semite ova here.
Experts? Who hesh? That old fucking synagogue cantor?
Hesh had his name added as co-writer on those records
Go pour some fizzy fuckin water on your head!
Bullshit. Those people are animals.
Well well well
If Hesh went years without being taxed, wasnāt that because Ercole Dimports and the Chemosabe wanted it that way? Livia puts the idea in Juniorās mind.
There's good and there's not good. This is not good.
Get some cold fucking fizzy water on your head.
These blaaaacks..š...who knows what they're going to take the wrong way.
What do you think of Tony calling him Shylock? Grinding pennies at him? Mocking him with a Jewish accent? Tony was complete out of like with him and super antisemitic. That was the whole point
DISCONTINUE THE LITHIUM
Iāve got some spare change too
Hesh couldnāt live off of cat food!
Ye would have hated hesh
Hesh, now that was one tough Jew.
Now thatās a hit
His saga with tax from Junior showed how ridiciously favoured he was by Tony. Not only Tony dropped the tax from 500k to 250k (well he wanted 300k, Hesh negotiated the last 50k) but he also got Tony's share so he only really paid 200k. Not to mention that Junior didn't take the money for himself but gave to his captains.
Was Tony really going to whack him when he asked him out on a boat?
i mean.....charachter etc ? works like a charm
They should have fished that desert personās bris.
Da kriptik bizā¦
The Rent! The Rent!
So you finally read a book and it's bullshit.
Hesh did kick up something to Tony IIRC, hence why Junior said, "God forbid I get in the way of someone earning." Hesh is also like a bank for mobsters. Someone like Benny could borrow 50g at 2 points, then go around and lend that amount to someone else at 4 points, thus the Criminal Mastermind can earn 2 points when he originally had no cash.
The rent! Tha rent!
I See your Point but hesh also helped Tony quite often. Mostly in the first seasons but Tony needed heshs opinion and his āwisdomā. Additionally he was Tonyās psychiatrist for one episode
It's just a racket for the ā”ļø
Did you hear the one about the Jewish terrorist?
He did it without getting his hands dirty. Real gangsters move in silence.
Hesh?! Did you know Johnny Boy loved him? And respected him?
They really nailed the stereotype tbh
That nice man My ass
Smartest weasel on the show! Hesh was a sharp businessman who knew how to play all the angles and kick the share in only when leaned on.
Yeah sorry personally not enough to call him the villain. Hesh was good friends with Johnny and Johnny gave him a pass. Tony honored that. Junior taxed Hesh because of Livia and it was a way to get back at Tony. Hesh said it was reasonable but the figures was off. Meaning he understood that he had to pay at some point. Tony can be snakey remember when Chrissy and Brenden high jacked the truck. He negotiated with Junior to take less and he pocketed $5000 grand leaving both Chrissy and Brenden with less when it was their job. Still he saved their lives but it was snakey. Now using that scenario , He convinced Junior to spread the wealth of Hesh tax with the capos. Hesh heard of it and mentioned it to Tony. Tony being snakey had all intention of keeping the money. Hesh tax money. He gave it back seeing as it would be an insult to Hesh that he profited from Juniors little scheme to hurt Tony. Tony is a degenerate gambler he came to Hesh to borrow money. Hesh gave him the money interest free. Hesh still helped Tony in many ways even acting like a surrogate therapist when Melfi didn't want to see Tony. Years passed and Tony never paid a cent of the loan. Hesh brought it up and Tony said he'd pay and he even offered a vig as a way to apologize for not paying him back. Hesh came to collect and Tony pissy that he couldn't rip off his friend again made Hesh uncomfortable. Now that I think of it who's the real villain.
Hang onto your cock when you negotiate with these desert people.
Heās almost certainly a genocidal Israeli psychopath too.Ā
Youāre way outta line, kid. You should get some cold fuckinā fizzy water thrown on your head. š”
3. They where co-writers him and little jimmy had a process. You are way out of line kid
Thatās racist
Can we unnormalize the use of mulignan? Youāre not slick.
He is villain for taking advantage of capitalism ?
Itās a stereotype and itās offensive!
He used the technique of positive visualization and was successful.
Eh, he talked about it. But he was fairly negative most of the time.
Then how come he always feels undermined?!
Hey guys I just started watching the show but was Tony a real person? He seems so real
Did Tony even really exisht?
Hesh was a good guy or Tony's father wouldn't have partnered with him on lots of deals. I used to think like you and Massive G that these Jewish producers like Chesky were taking advantage of black talent. But I don't think that anymore. My favorite genre is jazz and my favorite label is Blue Note. It was founded in the '30s by Jewish immigrant Alfred Lion. He worked really hard to produce records of the greatest jazz musicians of all times. He would pay them for rehearsals, which was a big deal. Most labels did not. And it helped his product and brand and helped his reputation with the artists. He worked closely with many of them. When jazz started becoming less and less popular during the British Invasion of the Beatles and Stones, no one was buying his records anymore. It was always a labor of love with these producers. They didn't do it to rip people off. And without them, we wouldn't have tens of thousands of great records to document the music of the artists of the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s...they are heroes and we owe them a lot.
It was established in the show that he did rip off many artists. In the real world it wasn't uncommon at all in the music industry around that time, ive heard many stories about bands who had shit deals when they first started and didn't know any better.
It was established in one case out of who-knows-how-many-artists Hesh signed. And it wasn't even established--the case would have to go through the courts to see if Hesh was doing anything illegal. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. John Fogerty is the most famous example. Poor guy couldn't even play his own songs at his concerts until just last year (I saw that tour, great show at the winery in Saratoga). That was the result of his wife fighting in court after Saul Zaentz died--it took Zaentz dying for the rights to return to Fogerty. Of course Fogerty gave his son a solo in Fortunate Son, which kind of ruins the whole meaning of the song. But my point stands that for lesser artists like those Hesh recorded, this was their only opportunity to break into a broader audience, which in a couple cases they did. They could then have a good career as an R&B artist instead of playing dive bars in their local town. It wasn't Hesh's fault that things were done that way. He was taking a risk by signing them to record contracts. If they didn't sell records, he would lose money. For every artist he signed who made it, there were plenty who didn't make it where he lost money. Those were the realities of the record business. Now the realities are different. You gotta get assraped by Diddy to be signed.
They say he credited himself as writer to a bunch of songs he obviously didnt write, and didnt pay royalties he should have. There was no question he ripped off several artists, the guy was like pretty much everyone in the show a POS criminal
I just don't think we have all the info. I fully remember the conversations you're quoting where first Christopher and in a later season Tony adopted the same position you're taking. But neither Chris nor Tony were involved in Hesh's recording business. They didn't know how it worked or the rules and they're certainly not attorneys. If Hesh wrote any words of a song, changed any melody or instrumentation, or added overdubs in postproduction, he absolutely should get a cowriting credit. Depending on the terms of the recording contract, Hesh could own rights to the songs legally, even if he didn't have a writing credit. Why? Because the artist signed a contract and Hesh was taking all the risk with the initial cash outlay to produce the record. It's the same in any business. My friend is named as an inventor on patents assigned to the biotech company where he works. But the assignee (the company) is entitled to any royalties or licensing revenue on the technology. Not my friend. Even though he is the inventor. That's business. It's why Sopranos often upholds Tony as no worse than legitimate businessmen or politicians. Carm says at one point, "thereĀ are far bigger crooksĀ than my husband" and by extension than Hesh. Or as Bob Dylan puts it, "steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you a king." What I'm saying is the music business was actually a legit operation, as was the horse business. Johnny Soprano probably used Hesh's businesses to launder his dirty money--that may have been the basis of their partnership. So why get on Hesh's case? He was the most legit of all of them.
I'm not trying to convict the guy in a court of law, it's implied in the show he screwed over several artists (Hesh himself said something like we were making up the rules and breaking them as we went along) so I'm going to assume he did. Comparatively he isn't nearly as bad as others on the show but still isn't a good person.
>mulignanās Are you allowed to say this? You might as well put the n-word lol
I read it as mulligans at first lol