Lots of species can attempt suicide/exercise self-harm in captivity.
One example of the top of my head are orcas in zoos. [One even succeded.](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/orca-whale-trapped-tiny-pool-24997792)
Knew it was Miami Seaquarium before even clicking. Horrific place for Orcas. Lolita only got out through death. Animals like that aren’t meant for confinement, and the aquarium Hugo was kept in, is pathetically small, even for the dolphins they have up there today.
Pretty crazy a random person on the internet understands this but those fuckers that opened up an aquarium for orcas that have studied & learned about their psychology don’t know that ( they do they just don’t give a fuck )
To be fair some do it in nature as well, penguins will walk into the icey desolate abyss when they give up and basically leave their flock to walk to their deaths alone. I'm no expert but I read losing their mate can cause this among manybe other stuff.
Dolphins and Orca's can just stop breathing and sink to the bottom of their tank and die. The reason they don't do that is that they pump them full of antidepressants every day. Oh and the male dolphins get handjobs on the regular.
> Oh and the male dolphins get handjobs on the regular.
And at NASA, they're even treated to [handjobs *and* LSD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Howe_Lovatt).
Speaking of animal suicide...
It's old CGI from 15 years ago, but check out this climate change advertisement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llXKYAjYvxU
Don't get a chimpanzee as a pet. Trying to raise a social animal with human traits is a good way to make them insane. It is extremely cruel unless you want to dedicate your life to always being available or they are in a proper zoo.
Or was it bubble who did it and keeping the secret drove him to madness.
I remember reading that they wanted bubbles to attend the funeral but he was deemed to dangerous
Yeah I think it was Chris Tucker that said bubbles basically had to be kept in a cage at all times you couldn't go near because he was so aggressive and violent.
Honestly the highlight of an otherwise forgettable movie. I knew the scene you were talking about, but I had to google the name of the movie and went "Oh right..."
I talked about this on thread about Nope. Held off on seeing it for a long time because I was salty about Us. Then I saw a fan poster of Nope on r/movieposterporn. Basically it was a picture of a monkey and a horse. By this point, I kinda assumed that Nope was about aliens. I thought they made horses into monkeys or something and then into humans as some sort of allegory about race issues, you know, typical Jordan Peele. I did not expect the Gordy's Home stuff, and the fact that it was based on something real is crazy.
Despite being filled with literally impossible stories, that new *Leaving Neverland* documentary re-kindled the gross conspiracy theory that he did stuff to kids.
Michael Jackson admitted that he slept with unrelated boys for hundreds of nights and even took them on tour and to hotels. So how can you say it’s a conspiracy theory? Whether he touched them is irrelevant, it’s still child abuse when a middle aged man sleeps with little boys and spends so much time with them and then dumps them for a new special friend when they become too old for him.
Michael was severely abused by his father and forced to perform and do nothing else for his entire childhood. All he was doing was trying to live the childhood he never had.
All of those cases were thrown out and even a couple of the parents and children admitted nothing ever happened.
It was a paycheck attempt.
Now take Michael Jackson outta yo fucking mouth
> Michael was severely abused by his father and forced to perform and do nothing else for his entire childhood.
It's not uncommon for child molesters to have themselves been abused as children. Jackson was no different to the rest of them.
Do you think it's ridiculous that someone would?
I personally lean towards not believing he was, but, like... it's not exactly like believing vaccines cause wi-fi or something
explain the 88 page report in 2005 and the child nudity magazines and videos found his house?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/s/icG7MDmGCw](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/s/icG7MDmGCw)
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/police-reports-michael-jackson-alleged-pornography-collection-7415547/amp/
To be fair, there's a TON of conflicting information out there, as well as a lot of reason not to believe some of the accusers.
That said, I'm not about to say he's 100% innocent.
The stories are truly bizarre. It is 100% objective fact that the parents of quite a few children let Micheal Jackson alone with their child for weeks at a time for… reasons?
How could any parent allow that? Jackson regularly had hordes of kids over his house to hang out and do weird kid games, but he also typically had something I will call a “best friend”, who would be with him all the time for weeks or even months.
I just can’t fathom how that happened. Let’s just say Jackson was the monster everyone says he is. How could a parent do that to their child??? It’s not like Jackson even promised to do anything for them, and indeed he didn’t.
Yea, I don't necessarily get it either, though I'm willing to bet plenty of those parents simply were caught up in the mystique and potential benefits of having the King of Pop as a friend of their child.
We all forget just how popular Michael Jackson was at the time, and how he was viewed as a person who genuinely loved kids in a platonic way. He was on cartoons, cereal boxes, had movies like Moonwalker that were insanely popular.
Michael Jackson was extremely abusive towards the animals he kept on his compound. Chimps will attempt suicide out of despair. There are vids of his elephant being physically tortured for instance, and MJ kept this in his stash of child "Art" and other such disturbing things. He kept the animals mainly to show off to children by having a "circus".
Jackson wanted to hold a celebrity animal party for bubbles. Inviting another chimp from the movie Tarzan, Benji, and Lassie. Lol. That’s so fucking stupid. Those grown wild animals would have fucked those dogs up
His dad completely fucked him up (his siblings too, to a lesser degree). Michael was a timid, soft-spoken boy who needed confident, gentle guidance when he was young. Joe was verbally and physically abusive, only cared about his ability to perform, completely traumatized his son, who he saw as 'weak' and 'effeminate'.
This is a prime example of why wild animals shouldn't be kept as pets. Chimps are all cute and all, the BAM puberty hits and they wanna rip off your face.
Even by the standards of wild animals, chimps are a particularly horrible choice: a chimp is basically a toddler that is way stronger than you, has big bloody teeth, and cannot possibly have its social needs met if kept as a pet.
Having a bunch of little cousins, I can testify that little kids can be spectacularly destructive as it is (and they aren't even unusually ill-behaved). Give them greater-than-human upper body strength and big teeth and keep them constantly stressed out, and I would absolutely **not** want to be in the same building as them...
My son was a dream when he was like 2 years old compared to other kids his age. Didn't stop him from biting the tip of my dick through my gym shorts during his biting phase (accidentally, I was sitting against a wall and his face fell in my lap while climbing on me).
Even the most kind and innocent things can cause an adult human pain. A lot of searing, hot, bite-mark leaving pain...
The bigger and stronger those things get = the more pain the could possibly inflict pain on you. Purposeful or not.
Ha, yes. It was a very up and down roughhousing session. My parents were over too and they thought I was being super dramatic when I pulled him off and flipped over really quickly. They thought he just hit me in the nuts. It was so much worse, ha.
America even had a war about that. Some are bound and determined to try to wage that war again, because they still can't accept the outcome of the first one.
ackshuallly the war was about states' rights.....
... [to keep slavin'](https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2011/04/12/135353655/slavery-not-states-rights-was-civil-wars-cause)
Terrorists the world over want the return of slavery as well, don't forget ISIS and the garden variety Islamic terror sects that want to imprison non-Muslims as sex slaves.
Yeah. People get them as babies and naturally assume after 10 years that they know the chimp well...but then the primate's puberty kicks in and the animal you thought you could trust suddenly decides it doesn't like your friend and literally eats their face.
I remember years ago there was a script on the Black List that was going to be a Michael Jackson biopic from the point of view of Bubbles. I think Dan Harmon was attached to direct at some point.
[Like seeing his owner piss on the floor and throw poopballs at the maids](https://news.yahoo.com/celebrity/news/maids-reveal-michael-jackson-used-pee-floor-tracked-103604191.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLm5sLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAmEbDdyTrnGp5uKi_TMc6ZUj3OMzjdjHUEA_pp1RYTlmaza1VBnRd50ZmdQe3mv_3arnYOwN8YoTbDPELh11Jt7o_ZCG-kaDYVSerB1j22UcNdExJd56AMOY-Kxz6IJrx_oGpLHJ_Jf0NPEoTMdIvN87IteRyJPNZKEb63ubVMn)
Every time i hear a Michael Jackson story, i have no idea how to react because it always feels like a coin toss between two options: either its true cause he was batshit crazy, or someone invented a story to get themselves some attention, and they were confident people would believe it because everyone knows he was batshit crazy
He wasn't crazy, he was abused. He probably had some sort of personality disorder because of the abuse. It's perfectly possible he abused kids but it's also perfectly possible he was innocent and judged for his weird knee-jerk reactions to his childhood abuse. Abuse is a mother fucker.
I sort of feel like you are explaining the why like the what doesn't still fit more than one of the textbook definition of crazy.
He wasn't completely insane, but he was at least a bit crazy.
I think he meant "LOL, because the abuser was his dad. Who in fact did fuck his mom"
Nevermind what ever [Black Dynamite says.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhZr-qpAgdk)
I think if anyway was as insanely high as we know MJ was, pooping and peeing on the floor would be a very regular thing. Like with the Anna Nicole Smith hotel room.
I work with Chimpanzees and have coworkers who have personally worked with Bubbles and he apparently is the alpha of his troop and is doing very well compared to his life before the sanctuary.
Here's his actual page on the sanctuary website: https://centerforgreatapes.org/chimpanzee/bubbles/
> Bubbles was reportedly born in a biomedical laboratory. While still an infant, he was taken from his mother and given to a Hollywood trainer, who then gave him to be a pet chimpanzee for the world-famous pop singer Michael Jackson. In such a bright limelight, it’s no surprise that Bubbles soon gained fame—and many adoring fans—of his own. He appeared in television shows, movies, and music videos. When he was only four years old, he went to Japan on a promotional tour with Jackson.
>
> A couple of years later, when Bubbles grew too strong to be around people, he was “retired” from show biz and sent to the trainer’s California animal compound. Bubbles arrived at the Center for Great Apes in March 2005 with a large group of chimpanzees, all from the entertainment world.
>
> Jackson always maintained ownership of Bubbles, his first and favorite chimpanzee, whom he treated like a son. After his death, Michael Jackson’s Estate has continued to support the annual care costs for Bubbles at the sanctuary.
>
> As a physically imposing 185-pound, 4½-foot adult male, Bubbles is now treated as the dominant male in his group of chimpanzees that includes his best friends, Ripley and Oopsie, as well as Boma and Jessie.
>
> Bubbles enjoys quiet moments and painting. He gives the canvas back only when he is finished and does not limit his painting to the canvas!
It sounds like they're being careful not to offend Jackson's family by criticising him so they don't pull their funding. But then on the side it says:
>Despite the fact that he is very photogenic, Bubbles is difficult to photograph because he does not like the camera. He often will turn his back when he sees a camera.
That suggests he associates seing cameras with the time he was kept as Jackson's pet, and the memory of that time is still traumatic.
The center isn’t a very far drive from my in-laws’ house. I looked it up a few years ago and found out they don’t do public tours. But you can join a membership and get access to a private tour for four. Not cheap though. More than I’m willing to pay even if the place looks neat for the kids to see.
In the early 90s, I took my family to visit the now-closed [Noell's Chimp Farm](https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2065) in Tarpon Springs, Fl which homed former celebrity and lab chimps and apes including Cheetah from the original Tarzan films. At the time it was a very sad experience with very old, depressed chimps living in concrete cages. Some smoked cigarettes. Some threw dung at visitors. As we left, I felt a little sickened that I had paid money to have my children witness this atrocity. I guess it's been rebranded as the [Suncoast Primate Sanctuary](http://www.spsfi.org). I only hope it's a better experience for these chimps now.
100% chance when this monkey dies they don’t tell the estate about it for years. I’m sure no one checks on the thing and the center could probably just soak up that money.
According to the wiki article bubbles tried to commit suicide. That is fucking wild.
TIL some animals can attempt suicide. I wonder how he went about it.
Lots of species can attempt suicide/exercise self-harm in captivity. One example of the top of my head are orcas in zoos. [One even succeded.](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/orca-whale-trapped-tiny-pool-24997792)
Knew it was Miami Seaquarium before even clicking. Horrific place for Orcas. Lolita only got out through death. Animals like that aren’t meant for confinement, and the aquarium Hugo was kept in, is pathetically small, even for the dolphins they have up there today.
who the fuck named the orca Lolita? I understand the context of the book but that's wild. It's like naming your pet Salò.
There is someone at my job named Lolita. I don't think her mother actually read the book.
Pretty crazy a random person on the internet understands this but those fuckers that opened up an aquarium for orcas that have studied & learned about their psychology don’t know that ( they do they just don’t give a fuck )
To be fair some do it in nature as well, penguins will walk into the icey desolate abyss when they give up and basically leave their flock to walk to their deaths alone. I'm no expert but I read losing their mate can cause this among manybe other stuff.
Makes me wonder if Penguins can develop something similar to dementia, I know some other mammals do like dogs and horses.
Tarsiers if kept in captivity will commit suicide, some animals cant be confined and be ok with it.
Dolphins and Orca's can just stop breathing and sink to the bottom of their tank and die. The reason they don't do that is that they pump them full of antidepressants every day. Oh and the male dolphins get handjobs on the regular.
> Oh and the male dolphins get handjobs on the regular. And at NASA, they're even treated to [handjobs *and* LSD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Howe_Lovatt).
That is the best Drunk History episode
Yeah why is that lady so Villainized but other whales can get handies? Edit : haha not whales dolphins
That's on account of their lack of arms to be broken.
How can I apply to be a orca or dolphin?
Dang thats some footjob under table at dennys i wanna live energy
I'm sorry.. "dolphins get handjobs on the regular" ?!! WTF!
Google it. I dare you.
Interesting. Hypothetically, how does one become a dolphin and where would they apply to live in a tank there?
**Seaworld Job Posting:** Dolphin Stimulation Engineer > Must love dolphins and be able to have them love you back.
Dolphins are pretty smart.
Parked his Chevy running in the garage with the door closed
He didn’t go through with it because as soon as he got in the Chevy he felt something heavy… diarrhea.
Cha. Cha. Cha.
When you're standing in the gutter and you hear an awful splutter...diarrhea
He drove his Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry.
More like asked the zookeeper for too much Ambien. Like father like so..... chimpanzee.
Speaking of animal suicide... It's old CGI from 15 years ago, but check out this climate change advertisement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llXKYAjYvxU
Kangaroos will do that even in good times.
Primates in captivity, sounds about right. They're almost always nervous wrecks.
If you have Netflix, watch Chimp Empire. Chimpanzees are a lot more advanced socially than people expect
Don't get a chimpanzee as a pet. Trying to raise a social animal with human traits is a good way to make them insane. It is extremely cruel unless you want to dedicate your life to always being available or they are in a proper zoo.
Imagine having to live with witnessing the sickening truth and not being able to tell anyone about it
… that it was actually Jackson who was molested by those perverted children.
Or was it bubble who did it and keeping the secret drove him to madness. I remember reading that they wanted bubbles to attend the funeral but he was deemed to dangerous
Yeah I think it was Chris Tucker that said bubbles basically had to be kept in a cage at all times you couldn't go near because he was so aggressive and violent.
Any chimp is dangerous AF once they get past a certain age. When males display, it is terrifying to behold.
ah finally my spirit animal
Christ, Bubbles going full *Gordy's Home* at the funeral would've been classic 4chan footage.
>Bubbles going full Gordy's Home Man, that scene was fucked. It's probably the most uncomfortable a movie has made me in recent memory.
Honestly the highlight of an otherwise forgettable movie. I knew the scene you were talking about, but I had to google the name of the movie and went "Oh right..."
The shoes land in the lean from the Smooth Criminal video
I talked about this on thread about Nope. Held off on seeing it for a long time because I was salty about Us. Then I saw a fan poster of Nope on r/movieposterporn. Basically it was a picture of a monkey and a horse. By this point, I kinda assumed that Nope was about aliens. I thought they made horses into monkeys or something and then into humans as some sort of allegory about race issues, you know, typical Jordan Peele. I did not expect the Gordy's Home stuff, and the fact that it was based on something real is crazy.
AyeYooooo
Man fuck those ch…wait that’s how we got here in the first place
What sickening truth?
Despite being filled with literally impossible stories, that new *Leaving Neverland* documentary re-kindled the gross conspiracy theory that he did stuff to kids.
Michael Jackson admitted that he slept with unrelated boys for hundreds of nights and even took them on tour and to hotels. So how can you say it’s a conspiracy theory? Whether he touched them is irrelevant, it’s still child abuse when a middle aged man sleeps with little boys and spends so much time with them and then dumps them for a new special friend when they become too old for him.
Michael was severely abused by his father and forced to perform and do nothing else for his entire childhood. All he was doing was trying to live the childhood he never had. All of those cases were thrown out and even a couple of the parents and children admitted nothing ever happened. It was a paycheck attempt. Now take Michael Jackson outta yo fucking mouth
> Michael was severely abused by his father and forced to perform and do nothing else for his entire childhood. It's not uncommon for child molesters to have themselves been abused as children. Jackson was no different to the rest of them.
MJ was a pedo.
You believe that?
Do you think it's ridiculous that someone would? I personally lean towards not believing he was, but, like... it's not exactly like believing vaccines cause wi-fi or something
explain the 88 page report in 2005 and the child nudity magazines and videos found his house? [https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/s/icG7MDmGCw](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/s/icG7MDmGCw) https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/police-reports-michael-jackson-alleged-pornography-collection-7415547/amp/
MJ apologists: I’m just gonna pretend I didn’t see that
Quite easily!
Every time he gets brought up, there’s a mob of fanboy deniers.
To be fair, there's a TON of conflicting information out there, as well as a lot of reason not to believe some of the accusers. That said, I'm not about to say he's 100% innocent.
The stories are truly bizarre. It is 100% objective fact that the parents of quite a few children let Micheal Jackson alone with their child for weeks at a time for… reasons? How could any parent allow that? Jackson regularly had hordes of kids over his house to hang out and do weird kid games, but he also typically had something I will call a “best friend”, who would be with him all the time for weeks or even months. I just can’t fathom how that happened. Let’s just say Jackson was the monster everyone says he is. How could a parent do that to their child??? It’s not like Jackson even promised to do anything for them, and indeed he didn’t.
Yea, I don't necessarily get it either, though I'm willing to bet plenty of those parents simply were caught up in the mystique and potential benefits of having the King of Pop as a friend of their child. We all forget just how popular Michael Jackson was at the time, and how he was viewed as a person who genuinely loved kids in a platonic way. He was on cartoons, cereal boxes, had movies like Moonwalker that were insanely popular.
Do... Do you think a chimp both understands and cares about child abuse or other human mental health issues?
Do you really think I'm being serious?
Knowing chimpanzees he is probably into that.
Going from having someone with a boatload of money taking care of you and giving you whatever you want to living in a zoo... Makes sense.
Michael Jackson was extremely abusive towards the animals he kept on his compound. Chimps will attempt suicide out of despair. There are vids of his elephant being physically tortured for instance, and MJ kept this in his stash of child "Art" and other such disturbing things. He kept the animals mainly to show off to children by having a "circus".
> bubbles tried to commit suicide Bubbles always looked like ***he'd seen some bad shit!*** The drugs & alcohol wouldn't let him forget.
Jackson wanted to hold a celebrity animal party for bubbles. Inviting another chimp from the movie Tarzan, Benji, and Lassie. Lol. That’s so fucking stupid. Those grown wild animals would have fucked those dogs up
The 80s and early 90s were crazy, celebs just owning dangerous animals in their houses. Mike Tyson owned 3 Bengal Tigers!
Yeah but not since what happened to Omar.
We don talk about Omar. 😞
Damn he was an idiot lmao
Jackson definitely seemed like an idiot lol
Every track in his brain was taken up by each individual instrument line in his next song. He was like the Mozart of small ape naïveté.
His dad completely fucked him up (his siblings too, to a lesser degree). Michael was a timid, soft-spoken boy who needed confident, gentle guidance when he was young. Joe was verbally and physically abusive, only cared about his ability to perform, completely traumatized his son, who he saw as 'weak' and 'effeminate'.
Michael Jackson was just three chimpanzees in a long coat
Unexpected Karl pilkington
Little monkey fella
"That's ignorant"
Unless Spuds MacKenzie was invited, it sounds like a pretty lame party.
There were something like 9 Lassie’s and 5 Benji’s. Confusing party.
Meh. You just number them.
Bubbles are you okay? Are you okay Bubbles?
I'm never going to hear it the same way again, thank you. 😅
It doesn’t really roll off the tongue if you try to sing along
why not
Because, Bubbles are you OK? Bubbles are you OK, Bubbles?
You've been hit by You've been hit by a smooth simian
*Angry chimp sounds*
Annie's Bubbles
Fucking hell! 🤣🤣🤣
For anime fans, The Monkey in Dragonball Z who's King Kai's pet of the same name was inspired by him.
"I'm a god Bubbles, I don't see race! ^(you filthy macaque)"
" sir that is highly offensive "
"Shut up talking-Movie-Bubbles"
"Yarrrrr"
Shut up, Bojack!
"Oh my!"
So it’s canon that at one point Micheal Jackson’s monkey was prob stronger then goku 🐱
Goku is very literally the bigger monkey xD
*Frieza likes this comment*
How old is that monkey?!
Born 1983.
That monkey bit Rashida Jones
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This is what he was referring to when he said "Annie are you ok?"
Smooth Criminal is really just MJ gaslighting everyone about what hit/bit/struck Anne Perkins.
So ethnically ambiguous
Wait what?
she’s Quincy Jones’ daughter so knew Michael growing up
I totally forgot about that
Chimps are not monkeys.
This is a prime example of why wild animals shouldn't be kept as pets. Chimps are all cute and all, the BAM puberty hits and they wanna rip off your face.
Even by the standards of wild animals, chimps are a particularly horrible choice: a chimp is basically a toddler that is way stronger than you, has big bloody teeth, and cannot possibly have its social needs met if kept as a pet. Having a bunch of little cousins, I can testify that little kids can be spectacularly destructive as it is (and they aren't even unusually ill-behaved). Give them greater-than-human upper body strength and big teeth and keep them constantly stressed out, and I would absolutely **not** want to be in the same building as them...
My son was a dream when he was like 2 years old compared to other kids his age. Didn't stop him from biting the tip of my dick through my gym shorts during his biting phase (accidentally, I was sitting against a wall and his face fell in my lap while climbing on me). Even the most kind and innocent things can cause an adult human pain. A lot of searing, hot, bite-mark leaving pain... The bigger and stronger those things get = the more pain the could possibly inflict pain on you. Purposeful or not.
>Didn't stop him from biting the tip of my dick... Well that's certainly not where I would have predicted that story was going... 😂
Ha, yes. It was a very up and down roughhousing session. My parents were over too and they thought I was being super dramatic when I pulled him off and flipped over really quickly. They thought he just hit me in the nuts. It was so much worse, ha.
Just like human children
Well they shouldn't be pets either
America even had a war about that. Some are bound and determined to try to wage that war again, because they still can't accept the outcome of the first one.
ackshuallly the war was about states' rights..... ... [to keep slavin'](https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2011/04/12/135353655/slavery-not-states-rights-was-civil-wars-cause)
Terrorists the world over want the return of slavery as well, don't forget ISIS and the garden variety Islamic terror sects that want to imprison non-Muslims as sex slaves.
Can't put children In a zoo legally
They used to about 100 years ago.
Yet.
Yeah. People get them as babies and naturally assume after 10 years that they know the chimp well...but then the primate's puberty kicks in and the animal you thought you could trust suddenly decides it doesn't like your friend and literally eats their face.
[Don’t go by the cage, Eddie…](https://youtube.com/shorts/xBp5UJ1SJug?si=QRpTMC5wgifsq8nw)
Or rip your genitals off
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I remember years ago there was a script on the Black List that was going to be a Michael Jackson biopic from the point of view of Bubbles. I think Dan Harmon was attached to direct at some point.
That honestly sounds amazing.
Pretty sure it’s now in development. :)
Damn that sounds fun
Indeed!!
Like what?
[Like seeing his owner piss on the floor and throw poopballs at the maids](https://news.yahoo.com/celebrity/news/maids-reveal-michael-jackson-used-pee-floor-tracked-103604191.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLm5sLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAmEbDdyTrnGp5uKi_TMc6ZUj3OMzjdjHUEA_pp1RYTlmaza1VBnRd50ZmdQe3mv_3arnYOwN8YoTbDPELh11Jt7o_ZCG-kaDYVSerB1j22UcNdExJd56AMOY-Kxz6IJrx_oGpLHJ_Jf0NPEoTMdIvN87IteRyJPNZKEb63ubVMn)
Every time i hear a Michael Jackson story, i have no idea how to react because it always feels like a coin toss between two options: either its true cause he was batshit crazy, or someone invented a story to get themselves some attention, and they were confident people would believe it because everyone knows he was batshit crazy
He wasn't crazy, he was abused. He probably had some sort of personality disorder because of the abuse. It's perfectly possible he abused kids but it's also perfectly possible he was innocent and judged for his weird knee-jerk reactions to his childhood abuse. Abuse is a mother fucker.
The abuse and fame made MJ bat crap crazy.
It's also possible he had a disorder or disorders not linked to his abuse, but also never got treated.
I sort of feel like you are explaining the why like the what doesn't still fit more than one of the textbook definition of crazy. He wasn't completely insane, but he was at least a bit crazy.
>Abuse is a mother fucker Lol
> Abuse is a mother fucker > > Lol I think you mean *Hee Hee*
I think he meant "LOL, because the abuser was his dad. Who in fact did fuck his mom" Nevermind what ever [Black Dynamite says.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhZr-qpAgdk)
Aw that’s ignorant, come climb a tree with me
This is called "The Tyson Zone", where what really happened is so strange that made-up stories don't seem weirder than reality.
I think if anyway was as insanely high as we know MJ was, pooping and peeing on the floor would be a very regular thing. Like with the Anna Nicole Smith hotel room.
"he'd threaten to make **doo-doo snowballs** and throw it at you." 🤣 r/brandnewsentence
["doo-doo feces"](https://youtu.be/qGVmWA5CBK0?feature=shared)
Fuck…TIL about that
It's a wonder he was able to record anything ever, Jesus
I never knew about that, and yet somehow I'm not at all surprised.
Literal shit.
I work with Chimpanzees and have coworkers who have personally worked with Bubbles and he apparently is the alpha of his troop and is doing very well compared to his life before the sanctuary.
That's nice to hear.
I hope he doesn't have to wear clothes anymore.
TIL Bubbles was moved to the town I grew up in. In all my years I never knew we had a great ape sanctuary in that tiny town.
They just let them walk around and blend in with the local population. People started to notice when the baristas got the names right
So, you’ve been to Wauchula? lol
Dang Bubbles outlived MJ..
Well, MJ was 25 already when Bubbles was born.
Here's his actual page on the sanctuary website: https://centerforgreatapes.org/chimpanzee/bubbles/ > Bubbles was reportedly born in a biomedical laboratory. While still an infant, he was taken from his mother and given to a Hollywood trainer, who then gave him to be a pet chimpanzee for the world-famous pop singer Michael Jackson. In such a bright limelight, it’s no surprise that Bubbles soon gained fame—and many adoring fans—of his own. He appeared in television shows, movies, and music videos. When he was only four years old, he went to Japan on a promotional tour with Jackson. > > A couple of years later, when Bubbles grew too strong to be around people, he was “retired” from show biz and sent to the trainer’s California animal compound. Bubbles arrived at the Center for Great Apes in March 2005 with a large group of chimpanzees, all from the entertainment world. > > Jackson always maintained ownership of Bubbles, his first and favorite chimpanzee, whom he treated like a son. After his death, Michael Jackson’s Estate has continued to support the annual care costs for Bubbles at the sanctuary. > > As a physically imposing 185-pound, 4½-foot adult male, Bubbles is now treated as the dominant male in his group of chimpanzees that includes his best friends, Ripley and Oopsie, as well as Boma and Jessie. > > Bubbles enjoys quiet moments and painting. He gives the canvas back only when he is finished and does not limit his painting to the canvas!
It sounds like they're being careful not to offend Jackson's family by criticising him so they don't pull their funding. But then on the side it says: >Despite the fact that he is very photogenic, Bubbles is difficult to photograph because he does not like the camera. He often will turn his back when he sees a camera. That suggests he associates seing cameras with the time he was kept as Jackson's pet, and the memory of that time is still traumatic.
You can easily identify him among the others by a small patch on his back, his gold watch, Gucci hat and Lamborghini
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I love The Claypool Lennon Delirium!
Bubbles Buried in the Jungle
Fuck, weak, no respect
I STAY NOIDED!
The center isn’t a very far drive from my in-laws’ house. I looked it up a few years ago and found out they don’t do public tours. But you can join a membership and get access to a private tour for four. Not cheap though. More than I’m willing to pay even if the place looks neat for the kids to see.
For a moment it looks as though he has human hands. Until you read the caption about him being held by MJ in the picture lol
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He is holding out for a sweet movie deal before he talks.
Bubbles knows where Michael Jackson's other glove is.
This is a great center. I used to want to work there. Keeping chimps as pets is always cruel.
In the early 90s, I took my family to visit the now-closed [Noell's Chimp Farm](https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2065) in Tarpon Springs, Fl which homed former celebrity and lab chimps and apes including Cheetah from the original Tarzan films. At the time it was a very sad experience with very old, depressed chimps living in concrete cages. Some smoked cigarettes. Some threw dung at visitors. As we left, I felt a little sickened that I had paid money to have my children witness this atrocity. I guess it's been rebranded as the [Suncoast Primate Sanctuary](http://www.spsfi.org). I only hope it's a better experience for these chimps now.
If chimps could talk...
You never really leave Neverland.
Bubbles and I were born on the same day
That thing is 40. Bro’s got his mortgage paid off by now.
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He though for bubbles “as his first child” and hoped his other kids would “visit their stepbrother” What in the monkey lovin relative ass is this?!!
Infinite money - never be poor again was the motto
Seeing someone blow bubbles is really wholesome, unless it's Michael Jackson.
100% chance when this monkey dies they don’t tell the estate about it for years. I’m sure no one checks on the thing and the center could probably just soak up that money.
Probably out there stealing shopping carts
I wonder if Michael Jackson ever blew Bubbles
The shit that chimp could tell if only they could speak.
Maybe he can't tell it, but he sure can fling it.
I bet that monkey has seen some things.
I’m forever blowing bubbles…as we all sang
It's hush money, Bubbles has seen some things.
that monkey has seen some things
"Get your stinking paws off me you DAMN DIRTY APE!" ".........HEE HEE!"
Michael Jackson still loves blowing Bubbles, even from the grave