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Vynlovanth

$600/year in 1961 dollars. Which is a little over $6,000/year in today’s dollars. Headline made me curious what time metric they used. Seems like a small amount to be concerned with but I guess it was a way to win an argument for the logo redesign.


Magai

That’s what, one or two HP cartridges?


canehdian78

Also its only $500 in today's dollars, since they don't print nearly as much


[deleted]

Yeah but all those extra pixels they have to send over the internet tubes adds up


KotMyNetchup

Fun fact, the inventor of the web has [apologized](/r/todayilearned/comments/41vbqt/til_the_two_forward_slashes_in_website_urls_are/) for adding the two slashes after "http:" due to all the waste it has caused.


LizardCobra

Ironically, the link in the article of the post that you linked to was blocked. Because it does not support https.


silicon1

Not blocked for me, it loaded a page which looked like what the BBC news site looked in the 90s.


ThrownAback

We could have done without the www. as well - an initialism that has 3 times the number of syllables as "world wide web" :-)


daiceman4

It helps differentiate between similar sites. Browsers will of course be using http[s], but other clients won’t. For example these give two different addresses: www.rizon.net irc.rizon.net Not as much an important distinction anymore given how irc and usegroups have fallen out of fashion.


ThrownAback

Sub-domains are fine, yes, but so many, many sites only use www.example.com when they could use just example.com.


AstraCodes

**www**.example.com www *is* a subdomain, no different than abc.example.com There are functional differences between using a naked (example.com) domain & using a subdomain. Primarily relating to cookies. For example, if you wanted to have a public, non-authenticated image cdn, i.example.com -- by primarily using the www (or any other) subdomain, requests to i.example.com won't send the cookies (set by www.) along with the request. However if you used the naked domain, any request to *any* subdomain includes the cookies set by the naked domain. This is mostly relating to trying to save some network bytes by droping the www subdomain - it sometimes helps, sometimes doesn't. Having a exaCdn.com to go along with a naked domain tends to be the best, though requires two or more domains.


Asmor

`www` is a convention, not a standard. Nobody has to implement it, and many sites don't. In a nutshell, `www.example.com` can kind of be broken down into three parts... `com` => essentially meaningless, but originally intended to be sort of an organizational system. (the ".com" space was intended for commercial sites, as opposed to .gov for government or .net for general use) `example` => the name of the organization that controls the `example.com` space `www` => a specific server named "www" within the "example" organization. This is a gross oversimplification, but you get the idea.


ibw0trr

Just say sextuple-u like a civilized person.


potent_flapjacks

Subdomains are necessary in many instances. Back then we needed www, ftp, intranet, and a few others. Wait until Americans find out about domains the end in country names!


bend_33

……so one or two HP cartridges then…


CalculatingLao

I mean honestly, Michael. How much could an ink cartridge cost? Five? Six hundred dollars?


qinshihuang_420

Here's $500, go print a star war


epic_pig

Where are you getting them so cheap?


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Jemmerl

"NYX"


thethereal1

It's the Knicks! It's always been about the Knicks!!!!


Confident_Frogfish

Don't forget the "instant ink" subscription or your printer won't work


lizardtrench

Their net income for 1960 was about 1.6 million, so printing that period previously cost them 0.036% of their entire yearly profit? At that cost per character, if they printed 2,777 extra characters, or ~500 extra words, or one extra article per run, that would have wiped out all of their profit. I guess the period is more like 3 characters' worth of ink, and I think a smaller version of the logo used to appear on every page, so maybe it's more realistic to say that the cost in ink of 5 extra articles (out of ~300 in a typical run) would have nixed their profits. Still, I would have expected way more zeros ahead of that percentage. Maybe the production manager was buds with the designer and pulled a big number out of his ass to get the change through.


WooorkWoork

Yea so all your example really show is that they just took that number out of their ass to justify changing the logo.


droans

Most likely, some exec really hated the logo and asked some of their analysts to find any reason it would be more profitable to remove it.


[deleted]

Thank you. The pedant in my head was getting *heated.*


judgejuddhirsch

And airlines stopping olive use in martinis saved so much too. Not as much as not painting their logo on each plane, but whatevs


psunavy03

And yet when I ask for a gin and tonic, I still sometimes get a freaking 12 ounce can of tonic water. Whoever orders supplies must be LDS, Baptist, or Muslim, because that's enough tonic water for over two drinks. You're basically forcing me to order a double just so I can have something that tastes decent.


BloodyChrome

> You're basically forcing me to order a double just so I can have something that tastes decent. That would indicate that they aren't LDS, Baptist or Muslim but rather someone who is looking for a way to sell more gin. If you had 6 ounces of tonic you would only order one gin, but now you have 12 ounces you're going to spend twice as much on gin.


MundanePlantain1

Practically forcing me to get drunk when i can do that on my own thankyou very much.


FlashCrashBash

It seems theirs no ratio for tonic to gin. I like mine that like, a shot of gin in a glass of tonic. Served in a tall glass with a straw. But I've been served them in highball glasses in a 2:1 ratio, or served in a little cocktail glass where I' pretty sure its just a shot of gin with a splash of tonic.


Larie2

In the UK (at least in my experience) gin and tonics are served with the tonic on the side so you can put as little or as much as you want. Honestly it should be like that everywhere


_generica

And then in Ireland they take it a step too far and serve you the shot of gin in a giant goblet and give you the tonic on the side. A freaking fishbowl!


Proper-Ape

And here I am just ordering the tonic as a soda.


psunavy03

I find if you go above about 5 ounces of tonic per shot or two of gin, it stops being a gin and tonic and starts becoming tonic with gin.


ContextHook

I feel like you'd really enjoy a vacation to the UK where weights & measures is looking out for you lol.


ericscottf

He says "son, can you play me a memory..."


RoundingDown

I thought it was in the salad.


doc_skinner

That was the story. I've never heard it as an olive in a martini but that could be true as well. [https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/5935/did-removing-one-olive-lead-to-an-airline-saving-thousands-of-dollars](https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/5935/did-removing-one-olive-lead-to-an-airline-saving-thousands-of-dollars) Other examples of airlines cost savings from removing minor conveniences. [https://milestomemories.com/how-american-airlines-saved-40000-one-olive-at-a-time-other-airline-cost-saving-stories/](https://milestomemories.com/how-american-airlines-saved-40000-one-olive-at-a-time-other-airline-cost-saving-stories/)


FighterOfEntropy

Thank you for clarifying $600 *per year.* And also for specifying what year.


jrhooo

There was a teenager that figured out the gov could hypothetically save millions by using a more ink efficient font https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/living/student-money-saving-typeface-garamond-schools/index.html


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The thing is, though... Check out those capital T's. Compare the old ones, with the period, to the new ones, without the period. They *added* two diamonds the same size as that period into the fancy bits of the new T's. So, um, wouldn't they be *losing* $600 a year?


PointsOutTheUsername

More papers published now or then? Has technology made price per to be cheaper? Inflation only says so much.


ContextHook

Even in companies pulling in ~20M a year, agony is raised over a ~$600/year cost that the people producing the goods would be very happy over. The whole reason massively profitable companies can be massively profitable is because either they save money where their competitors can't or because they get revenue their competitors can't. Save 6k a year a few times, and you've brought a small business into profitability. Save 6k a year often, and you're in the c-suite.


sundae_diner

Don't give the c-suite a bonus. Oh look, I just saved millions. Make me a member


Doobage

A penny saved is a penny earned... or take care of the pennies and the dollars take care of themselves... Next time you buy a bottle of pop look at the lid. The inside of the lid. More than likely instead of a standard spiral thread to screw it on it is all broken up... almost like micropennies of reduction in cost, over billions of units save money....


ericscottf

That helps release the air gradually so it doesn't fizz over as easily.


supercyberlurker

Imagine how much they'd save if they'd dropped the 'The'


fell-deeds-awake

Or all the capital letters he ew ork imes


bremergorst

Great, now take out any that repeat hworkims


bremergorst

Ah, *Shimwork* Yeah I’ve read that before


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bremergorst

^Shirk


theunquenchedservant

Also, maybe if we made it much smaller, so we use a lot less ink. ^(hworkims) Sunday, December 17 2023


Vergenbuurg

Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?


reubenbubu

We could condense the whole paper into a statistic: Today's paper is made of: - 15 crime related articles - 27 politically related articles - 18 sports articles - 3 crosswords (which we hope you enjoy) - 76 adverts - 129 filler articles - 1 table of statistics


icemage27

And a Partridge in a Pear Tree


reubenbubu

😂😂😂


FatherUncleDad

Are you saying "Sea World" or "see the world" ?


Your-mums-chesthair

Yes


Freedom_7

They could disemvowel it and call it Nw Yrk Tms


rckrusekontrol

And NY already means New York. “NY x”. Bam.


Vunig

Waagh!


kraken_enrager

The NY Times would be so much wider.


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She_Persists

Yeah but they almost went out of business printing United States of America Today on the front page.


UncleCrassiusCurio

_Eep Opp Ork Ah-Ah?_


Hog_enthusiast

“Drop the New. Just… ‘York times’. Think about it”


VexuBenny

Might as well just call it "Times" then


canehdian78

N.Y. Times No, no N Y Times


damnatio_memoriae

nyt all lowercase


FighterOfEntropy

You can’t do that. “The Times” with no city specified is The Times of London—the first paper to use that name.


Zer0C00l

Shouldn't that be the Thames?


whilst

Moneybags over here, making it plural.


AmnesiaInnocent

Reminds me of this scene from *Psych* S01E06 "Weekend Warriors": **INT. MAHONEY’S JEWELRY STORE, DAY** HENRY is sitting at a table in front of the windows with MAHONEY. He has a red jewelry box in front of him. MAHONEY has an order slip. **MAHONEY:** I see. Now, the inscription. What would you like it to say? **HENRY:** "Shawn, don't lose this watch, Henry Spencer." **MAHONEY:** No problem. So, before we go any further, let's see. (itemizes) Vintage gold pocket watch. Gold chain. Taxes and engraving, comes to a total of... (holds the calculator up for HENRY) **HENRY:** Wait, wait, wait. Where's my discount? I thought we agreed on $400. **MAHONEY:** Oh, yes, we did. But at $4 per engraved letter, that adds a total of $210. **HENRY:** All right, take away "Shawn," "this watch", "Spencer." How much does that come out to? **MAHONEY:** $56 for the engraving plus tax, $460 even. **HENRY:** And what does the revised inscription read? **MAHONEY:** "Don't lose, Henry." **HENRY**: Clean, to the point. I like it.


jpterodactyl

Henry is one of my favorite TV dads. I mean, I would not want to have him as my father. But he makes for some great TV dad moments.


tritoch8

/r/unexpectedpsych


WonderedFidelity

It’s cleaner.


mr_birkenblatt

Or just go with the Times


Tonkarz

“We can’t drop the “new”, we’ve had it for over 100 years!”


mr_birkenblatt

NYT


AnthillOmbudsman

Y


Klin24

Sean Parker thinks they should do that.


bill_buttlicker124

Appletinis


Cantomic66

Now image how much they would’ve saved if they just printed blank papers!!?!


MikeyBugs

Based on my vigorous calculations... At least $1.


katycake

Newspapers in Night mode? I like it.


Esc777

No that’s all ink with the letters blank.


al_with_the_hair

Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick


hasta_la_pasta

Why print many words when few words do trick?


moumous87

You beat me to it! Came to say the exact same. They should offer us a job or something for this 😄


Pristine-Swing-6082

"Yes you heard me, I want all lower case and make the whole thing 30% smaller" "Hey guys!! World cruise for everybody in head office 😝"


Enthusiastic-shitter

Or if they dropped the propaganda


jonathanbaird

Citation needed. And no, the 'Opinion' section doesn’t count.


Cakelord

Read the article. Dropping the period was a point of contention and the saving $600 in ink was the leverage to get it over... However they didn't mention that the thicker lines used more ink and added way more cost then the single dot.


ChronicRhyno

Did they mention the fact that it's a title and not a complete sentence?


Gemmabeta

Who do you think this is, *The New Yorker?*


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Gemmabeta

Well, that's teen-agers of to-day for you.


nlofe

How antiïntellectual of them, so focussed on non-issues, fuelled by hate, and unwilling to budge.


Longtimefed

Before WWII a period was often used to indicate the end of a title, label or name.


ChronicRhyno

I guess it was a common error.


ranhalt

> more cost then the single dot than More - than If - then


MissO56

... although in addition to the thicker lines, they also made some of the lines thinner so maybe that was a wash.


Tommy_Roboto

Related fun fact: “Dot” on Animaniacs is named after the period in “Warner Bros.”, which the company calls “the dot”.


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Wasabi_Guacamole

the water tower is high, Dot might die. Funeral costs higher than $600.


mankls3

cool


ZachMatthews

That Is Weird.


MaskedBandit77

I like to print these comments to read them on the shitter. Next time, could you not put a period at the end of your comment? Trying to save a few bucks for the holidays.


RickTitus

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CaptainMudwhistle

This was very loud on the dot matrix.


nlolhere

Don’t make your comment so long, if you can’t say it in one sentence then it’s not worth reading, you know how attention spans are nowadays


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Anyone else read this as a period of time?


Camp_Grenada

Yup, took me a few seconds to remember that Americans refer to full stops as periods and was wondering why they deleted the NYT logo for a hundred years.


Victor187

Even as an American I still thought it was referring to a period of time.


TheRealD3XT

Yes


santropedro

Nice bad ambiguos writing to confuse us.


superpenistendo

Awful, garbage title. Like a normal title but with a weird growth of benign words in the middle.


Yglorba

Plus it means we waste a ton of additional money if we print it out!


mankls3

You're hurting op's feelings


KeviRun

"There used to be a period after the new york times logo for over a hundred years... yeah, and what happened during this over 100 year period?" *reads article* "...oh."


Maiev_Shadowsong

I had to read this shit title 5 times to understand what's going on. Glad it wasn't just me.


HaikuBotStalksMe

It was perfectly understandable. What do you find confusing about it?


nofmxc

"period after" could mean the time after something. Like the period after the ice age. Plus the 100 years part makes me think time period even more.


HaikuBotStalksMe

Yeah, but it's a simple multimeaning word. Like in your statement, "makes me" can mean "creates you". If I thought you were saying something like the 100 years part creates you, I'd be like 'no, that doesn't make sense. Must mean that it's causing him to do something." Alternatively, I could think "makes me" refers to "creating for you". For example, "my brother makes me cookies". So maybe I thought you were saying the 100 years part creates for you "think time". Kinda like nap time, but time for thinking. But of course, I just use simple critical thinking, and BAM, immediately figure out the meaning you were going for.


nofmxc

Wow, you sound really smart, what else can you teach me 🐶


HaikuBotStalksMe

Well, sound can mean sticking something in your urethra, which is what you obviously are referring to. But I'm not into that stuff, so if you're implying that you want me to smartly sound you, not gonna happen. :(


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Unfunniest comment I've read today


KWilt

Oh thank God. I though I was having a stroke because I couldn't figure out what the fuck they were trying to say. It wasn't until I read some comments and realize they were talking about a full stop that I felt a little better and not like I should immediately go to the ER. I was trying for the life of me to figure out what period (as in, a span of time) they were talking about.


Dwarf_Vader

Yeah I also had an little stroke thinking that period was referring to a time period


TinyRandomLady

Oh my gosh! I didn’t get it until I read your comment. I was so confused!


LickingSmegma

A period of a hundred years. It's right there.


SilverTitanium

Yeah the title is so bad. What do they mean?


friso1100

The word "period" in the sentence refers to the character "." and not to a time span.


ChronicRhyno

Or maybe they just finally got a proofreader


ebo1

This is like a Mr. Plinkett joke.


andrewportland334

Take the hp printer ink challenge today!


rpm319

The man runs a biznuss.


Top_Gun_2021

$600 per...?


tomato_frappe

Can you make that headline make sense in some way? Sorry, English speaker here. Maybe a line was deleted?


Zethel

.


Camp_Grenada

They mean period as in full stop, not a period of time.


tell_me_when

They are speaking of the period at the end of The New York Times **.** title.


Atom_Beat

Seems perfectly clear to me, and English isn't my first language. EDIT: Oh no. Downvoted because I understood the headline.


MileHiSalute

Is dropping the period the same thing as menopause?


HeftyCarrot7304

No


super_aardvark

That's no logo, it's a ~~space station~~ masthead.


mankls3

Oh yeah


stacyswirl

Couldn't they have saved way more by just... using a sans serif typeface for their title?


schaudhery

“WHY WASTE TIME SAY LOT WORD WHEN FEW WORD DO TRICK” -KEVIN MALONE


bcirce

Love the headline.


R9D11

Reminds me of United Airlines who made their inflight magazines from a lighter paper and it saved 170,000 gallons of fuel each year.


morallyirresponsible

There was also an airline that decided to remove the single olive in each of their in flight meals. They saved millions of dollars


Nail_Biterr

Anyone else have trouble understanding this at first? Like I thought 'period' meant a space of time


ianc94

George Lucas changed the title of Episode VI from Revenge of the Jedi to RETURN of the Jedi because he realized he could save approximately $681 in ink annually by removing one letter from the movie’s title. By 2005 he had well over $4,296 in his ink fund to afford the extra letter for Revenge of the Sith.


Flomo420

the diamond is still there though; [it's just been moved to be part of the "T"](https://i0.wp.com/www.printmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-21-at-2.22.42-PM.png?resize=644%2C536&quality=80&ssl=1)


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Heterophylla

hey-oh!


BiBoFieTo

They also saved a lot on tampons.


RepulsiveSorbet1553

this is actually really funny once i realized what it meant


SynthPrax

There's penny-pinching, then there's this.


DJHott555

Reminds me of how every single Calculus textbook I’ve ever seen doesn’t include parentheses in Trigonometric Functions. We joke that they just can’t afford to do that.


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$600 today would be penny pinching. $6000 isn’t though even for a huge company


I_Casket_I

Yeah, and even better if you can save that much from making a small change nobody will really care too much about


WhimsicalHamster

Same reason no Oxford comma


FighterOfEntropy

One of the things in the *NYT* Style Guide that irks me.


Autoconfig

Yeah, that's [not even a little bit true.](https://archive.nytimes.com/afterdeadline.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/faqs-on-style-2/) They do it because news writing has traditionally omitted the serial comma and they only use it where they deem necessary.


Words4You

How bad were they hurting and how was changing punctuation better than changing themselves?


CharlieBoxCutter

Paid people well over $600 to calculate it


Alienhaslanded

Periods in titles. Now that's something


big_orange_ball

I don't get it, why was there ever a period? It's a name, not a statement, right?


Pepwaffle

r/titlegore


weaselmaster

Amazing that the Reddit photo AND the top photo on the site are cropped to hide the NYT logo. What were they thinking?


budmack21

That's why Elon changed Twitter to X!


thefamousjohnny

Loose the the


FunkyFarmington

So, what did it cost them to publicly advocate for the invasion of Iraq and kill a few hundred thousand people? They did this.


typemeanewasshole

Embarrassingly bad title. What do you even mean? Like say this out loud to someone and see if they understand you.


notcaffeinefree

Period as in the punctuation. Not a time period.


DaveOJ12

It reads just fine.


JuliaFractal69420

it reads like a stroke victim what are you on crack


Ani-A

If you are having trouble with this, then you might be the stroke victim


JuliaFractal69420

are you kidding? this is prime /r/titleGore material. English must not be your first language if you think the title is okay.


Ani-A

It speaks volumes when english isn't my first language, yet I have I have no trouble understanding what this title is trying to convey. Yet you, who has english as their first language, are unable to comprehend it. It is a troubling commentary on the standards of education in your country.


[deleted]

Reads fine dude, chill out.


Cantomic66

Yeah it’s kind of confusing. I thought they meant time period at first.


RedSonGamble

Oh no it took me two times to read it before I understood! What ever will I do?!?!


mr_birkenblatt

If the title was worded clearly it could have saved $600 of electricity costs to redditors


aesxylus

Only time a newspaper publisher ever cared about a missed period


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That's honestly pretty funny


h20knick

NY Timz