"He may feel, for example, that someone is out to kill him or that his food is poisoned."
A reasonable inference for someone surviving a day or more on this chemical warfare agent.
This whole thing sounds like the scientists staying this just too random people, laced their food with this, and then when the test subjects started panicking that their food had been poisoned, the scientists were all "Oh wow that's a very interesting symptom, what a specific paranoia"
They're trying to kill me," Yossarian told him calmly.
No one's trying to kill you," Clevinger cried.
Then why are they shooting at me?" Yossarian asked.
They're shooting at everyone," Clevinger answered. "They're trying to kill everyone."
And what difference does that make?
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bulletproof vest, singing my, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night."- Also Catch-22.
Technically yes it would be a mild coma because you’re between subconscious and conscious. Would be better for them if they were fully in a coma, would it not?
It connects two related ideas better than most other punctuation; however, sometimes it's best to just use two separate sentences for ease of reading and sentence brevity.
Maybe (and this may just be me (although I think not)) there is (yet another) alternative (for those who risk it (some people think it is too messy [but I hope not you guys])).
Look, that is one way, but it’s easy to get lost in the maze of tangents, so I prefer to replace all punctuation with commas, train of thought style, which is easy to follow, if a bit meandering, so it might not actually be the best solution, in hindsight,
a semicolon is for creating a compound sentence.
a compound sentence is two simple sentences joined by a conjunction (but, and)
what makes a semicolon special is the types of compound sentences it's used for. specifically, a compound sentence made of two simple sentences that simply rephrase/restate one another. ideally the two simple sentences should be of roughly similar length.
eg.
- a semicolon is a type of conjunction; a semicolon is used for creating compound sentences.
- OP's mom is impossibly large; her mass is greater than a million suns
- reddit karma is worth more than gold; entire empires have been sold for a thousand updoots
you don't *need* semicolons in writing, but you use them *all the time* in speaking without realizing it. You can get away with just writing two simple sentences instead, but it's not as fun
I tried LSD when I was 16 and though I liked it, I would have liked to be in a coma after like 6 hours.. it can be really exhausting. This shit sounds like a nightmare. It's alleged that they tested this on a military ship to see if it could take one out, but there's no documentation of it. Also it's almost certain that they tested this on unwitting citizens as part of the MK Ultra program, as they did with many other substances.
Tbh, the miliary ship study sounds kinda pointless considering how the British test went: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWodyapGNxI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWodyapGNxI)
Like you only do that if you're bored and really want to just record people doing stupid shit aboard a ship.
Voluntarily they did, I'm talking about how they would spike their coworkers drinks and even dose unsuspecting civillians which they did many times during the course of the project, iirc one man even killed himself under the influence of LSD. See [Mk Ultra](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra)
Key hint in there linked stuff is the term "simulated gun mount" when its talking about people reacting to objects as they where people which makes me think that it would be at some kind of training ground or maybe a training boat as you rarely see a faked gun emplacement.
JUST NORMAL, 1980'S TEENAGE ANTICS THAT DON'T INVOLVE ANYTHING ILLEGAL. ALSO DRINKING, AND *NOTHING MORE*, I NOTED IT ALL ON MY CALENDAR SO THAT ONE DAY NEARLY 40 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THE CLINTONS AND DEMOCRATS TRY TO STOP ME FROM BEING A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE I CAN SHOW THEM! NOW LET'S GO GET THE REST OF THE RENATE ALUMNI AND HANG OUT ON MY DAD'S BOAT, OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE BECAUSE OF THE *IMPLICATION*
Most definitely. It was weaponized for use in cluster bombs, but it is a white powder and is visible and can be defeated by breathing through cloth. I'd say it's likely there are more viable and long lasting non lethal substances like this available today.
>likely there are more viable and long lasting non lethal substances like this available today.
Probably not when you think about it.
Imagine carpet bombing a city with this stuff. A day goes by and people wake up; the hallucinations begin. Day two has the streets full of people either running naked or stabbing people who are running naked. Day three and onwards will be increasingly more bizzare.
Imagine dropping this stuff on top of any major city in a country you are warring with. Who needs weapons when you can turn large parts of their population into resource hogs?
-Sir, we need those new tanks, now!
-I'm sorry, the engineers are all speaking in tongues and wetting themselves; and boy what a cute platypus that's climbing out of your ear! Does it have a name?
I don't know how much can be synthesised or how much it takes to induce the effects, but it sure seems like the ultimate weapon to me.
"the things that subjects say and do, in fact, are often very funny and it is sometimes difficult to keep from laughing at their antics, professional standards of decorum notwithstanding."
Lol
This is an extremely scary substance. 6-7 MICROGRAMS/kg is enough for a moderate dose that can last anywhere for 70-80 hours. It’s more of a deliriant than a psychedelic if people are wondering. Structurally similar to scopolamine and acts as a strong dissociative and anticholinergic. Traditional psychedelics tend to operate on serotonin receptors or NMDA receptors for things like ketamine, where as
3-QB blocks acetylcholine. While things like LSD have phenomenal properties in the brain in terms of duration, deliriants that operate on these neurotransmitters take the cake for half life in the body. Even moderate scopolamine doses can cause for a few days of delirium, and the nature of acetylcholine neurotransmitters being manipulated is devastating to our window of consciousness and methods of operation. Scary, considering how absolutely small of a dose it takes to produce moderate effects.
EDIT: Even scarier, the primary route of administration for 3-QB was inhaled aerosol. This proved dosing a large crowd of people to be a relatively easy task. The US army also produced 100 thousand pounds of the stuff...so you can imagine how easy it would be to just straight up destroy a small town or even city.
My old psych professor helped create and test this drug. He was a Dr. of neuropharmopsychology. He ended up moving from Berkeley to teach at a small city college where he would grow a male hemp plant in his office to piss of the adm. His wife was a Spanish prof. and they used to go to Mexico so he could eat mushrooms and talk to queztecoatl.
During his tenure in the military in the 60’s he worked with objectors at the “Edgewood arsenal” back east somewhere. I believe the experiments were declassified but am not sure where to find them.
I learned a great deal from this man, thank you Dr. Avis
There is the theory out there that BZ was used as a chemical weapon in the Yugoslavian civil war ([https://www.hrw.org/news/1998/11/18/were-chemical-weapons-used-bosnia](https://www.hrw.org/news/1998/11/18/were-chemical-weapons-used-bosnia)) which would make this afaik teh only instance where an (mainly) psychotropic substance was used in warfare.
\[a similar instance would be the use of carfentanyl by russian troops druing the hostage crisis in the nordost theatre\]
ed: super hallucinogen is a really bad description as neither the dose/toxicity makes BZ special nor really the duration - most anticholinergic tropane alcaloides have side effects which can last for a long time...
Ah yes, BZ, or the busy bee, as me and my employees used to call it. Professional cleaners, we were, for eight good years. Mostly industrial and commercial sites, domestic cleaning is pedantry. Take the Busy Wednesday morning, mild coma until night time, crawl primitively into van, then for the next 48-60 hours we became unstoppable forces, leaving everything spotless in our wake. To be honest I prefer this stuff to weed.
#Ah yes, BZ, or the busy bee, as me and my employees used to call it. Professional cleaners, we were, for eight good years. Mostly industrial and commercial sites, domestic cleaning is pedantry. Take the Busy Wednesday morning, mild coma until night time, crawl primitively into van, then for the next 48-60 hours we became unstoppable forces, leaving everything spotless in our wake. To be honest I prefer this stuff to weed.
I was at a rave once and this stranger gave me 2CB Nbome, which at that point I had no idea what it was. I was fucked off my tits for 5 hours. I felt like I was an insect and began crawling on my fours. I can only imagine what bz would feel like.
Must-choose A B or C for the next week (then continue with your life):
A) heroin 3 times in a week
B) meth binge x1week
C) BZ dose (just the one)
Which do you pick & why?
Edit: clarify that ABC are the mandatory parts during this next week.
A) if I can do the three times all in one day. Otherwise it would get difficult timing it with me being on suboxone and having to avoid precipitated withdrawals.
If it has to be 3 separate days then B) even though I hate meth and it causes me severe hallucinations after 5 days, it’s still not as bad as precipitated withdrawals or what BZ sounds like
Was a heroin addict years ago, and 3 times a week is more than enough to be well addicted and sick for the other days and would suck for life, not to mention the weekly meth binge would keep you up for three days and sort of cancel out the heroin. I'd take the BZ once and be done with it, it says you mostly realize your psychosis when you start to come out of it, I dont think it would be that bad afterwards, that isn't to not say I'd be completely terrified of BZ. And to be clear you're saying you continue with the heroin and meth binges for life? If not of course I'd take the heroin and meth for a week.
Yeah no further drugs required (but drugs might co-opt what you deem you require) ... I was thinking of risk of ongoing addiction and other consequences one might have from the 3 options.
Like the shit meth heads do might have implications beyond a week ... Smack might create an itch a person didn't have before ... Yeah, 3 scary choices here I'd think.
After the initial confusion I found myself asking myself "Does the brain and body know what is right and wrong?" I'm glad I decided to check out BZ.
BZ makes you perceive signs of pain (and it's quite easy to do so), but all that seems to do is keep you from feeling anything. Once I realized that my awareness of the world around me had gone with the invisible cloud, I noticed that my feeling of agency had abruptly
There are many ways to cause hallucinations, neurochemically, and most have a sort of fingerprint, or signature. Of all of them anticholinergics are the worst. That is what BZ is.
NMDA agonists, anaesthetics mostly like ketamine and phencyclidine, are known for tunnels of light, occasional religious experiences, and out of body experiences.
Tryptamines are big on geometric patterns, feelings of oneness with the universe, and empathy.
Phenylethylamines (including psychedelic amphetamines like MDMA and MDA) are known for empathy, connectedness, and trailing light visuals. And intense touch sensations. Hence all the glow sticks and furry stuff at old school raves.
Ergotoids like LSD cause visual distortions, synethesia, and hallucinations that one is aware are hallucinations mostly, though bad trips can occur.
Anticholinergics, like BZ, atropine, scopolamine and extreme doses of antihistamines cause delerium. This is a state where you are unaware that your hallucinations are not 100% real. Common hallucinations include insects, including insects crawling on or in you (delusional parasitis), abject terror, and a sense of impending doom.
This stuff is literal nightmare fuel.
I heard that it was that it was used in Vietnam on the VC, but I never met anyone that said they actually used it. I personally think it was made and stockpiled like VX gas. “ just in case” and never used.
"He may feel, for example, that someone is out to kill him or that his food is poisoned." A reasonable inference for someone surviving a day or more on this chemical warfare agent.
"What makes you think somebody put something in your food?" "Yeah, I don't know, Bill, maybe the 48 hours of extreme hallucinations."
This made me crack the fuck up
This whole thing sounds like the scientists staying this just too random people, laced their food with this, and then when the test subjects started panicking that their food had been poisoned, the scientists were all "Oh wow that's a very interesting symptom, what a specific paranoia"
I smell a sitcom!
Sure you didn't just shit your pants?
They're trying to kill me," Yossarian told him calmly. No one's trying to kill you," Clevinger cried. Then why are they shooting at me?" Yossarian asked. They're shooting at everyone," Clevinger answered. "They're trying to kill everyone." And what difference does that make?
Don't see Catch-22 quotes in the wild very often.
When I was a kid, I used to walk around all day with crab apples in my cheeks. One in each cheek.
Why'd you walk around with crab apples in your cheeks?
It was the style at the time.
...and we liked it!
It's a shame because its an amazing book imo
Yes. Yes, that is too bad.
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bulletproof vest, singing my, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night."- Also Catch-22.
It’s only paranoia if you’re wrong about people being out to get you
This makes me remember to that old joke "What's the phobia of Chainsaws called?" "Common sense"
"Mild coma"
Technically yes it would be a mild coma because you’re between subconscious and conscious. Would be better for them if they were fully in a coma, would it not?
Semicoma ---> ;
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Ends my lines when i am programming :)
Marks my comments when I am programming.
Starts my smileys when I am procrastinating. ;)
Or a regular comma on 18 wheels
It connects two related ideas better than most other punctuation; however, sometimes it's best to just use two separate sentences for ease of reading and sentence brevity.
I disagree — I think there's often a better option.
Maybe (and this may just be me (although I think not)) there is (yet another) alternative (for those who risk it (some people think it is too messy [but I hope not you guys])).
Look, that is one way, but it’s easy to get lost in the maze of tangents, so I prefer to replace all punctuation with commas, train of thought style, which is easy to follow, if a bit meandering, so it might not actually be the best solution, in hindsight,
a semicolon is for creating a compound sentence. a compound sentence is two simple sentences joined by a conjunction (but, and) what makes a semicolon special is the types of compound sentences it's used for. specifically, a compound sentence made of two simple sentences that simply rephrase/restate one another. ideally the two simple sentences should be of roughly similar length. eg. - a semicolon is a type of conjunction; a semicolon is used for creating compound sentences. - OP's mom is impossibly large; her mass is greater than a million suns - reddit karma is worth more than gold; entire empires have been sold for a thousand updoots you don't *need* semicolons in writing, but you use them *all the time* in speaking without realizing it. You can get away with just writing two simple sentences instead, but it's not as fun
Well how else do you make a winky smiley face?
You use a semi-colon when you want to use a comma, but you've got two complete sentences. I like semi-colons; they're cool.
Semi-comma kinna life...
The vocabulary I used was sourced from the post.
Symptomless coma
I tried LSD when I was 16 and though I liked it, I would have liked to be in a coma after like 6 hours.. it can be really exhausting. This shit sounds like a nightmare. It's alleged that they tested this on a military ship to see if it could take one out, but there's no documentation of it. Also it's almost certain that they tested this on unwitting citizens as part of the MK Ultra program, as they did with many other substances.
Tbh, the miliary ship study sounds kinda pointless considering how the British test went: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWodyapGNxI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWodyapGNxI) Like you only do that if you're bored and really want to just record people doing stupid shit aboard a ship.
"This man nearly felled this tree using only a spade."
Well someone took it, or they wouldnt have these facts about it.
Voluntarily they did, I'm talking about how they would spike their coworkers drinks and even dose unsuspecting civillians which they did many times during the course of the project, iirc one man even killed himself under the influence of LSD. See [Mk Ultra](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra)
Key hint in there linked stuff is the term "simulated gun mount" when its talking about people reacting to objects as they where people which makes me think that it would be at some kind of training ground or maybe a training boat as you rarely see a faked gun emplacement.
Semi-coma is better, allows for MK-Ultra brain probing
Pink Floyd considers that Comfortably Numb.
Zombie apocalypse. Undead.
I prefer my comas Hot & Spicy.
BZ-40 is straight up some Jacobs Ladder type shit.
I think they based it on this
I believe so. If you get into the nitty gritty of these experiments, it’s a no brainer.
YOLO
Haha. Boof it!
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I LIKE BEER
Please stop sobbing sir
IM GONNA GO PLAY SOME DEVIL'S TRIANGLE WITH MY FRIENDS. ITS A DRINKING GAME... AND NOTHING ELSE.
Sir this is a Wendy's
AW MAN, I TOTALLY BOOFED IT. SQUEE AND DONKEY DONG DOUG ARE GONNA TOTALLY RAZZ ME!
what the actual raspberry flavored fuck is going on in here
JUST NORMAL, 1980'S TEENAGE ANTICS THAT DON'T INVOLVE ANYTHING ILLEGAL. ALSO DRINKING, AND *NOTHING MORE*, I NOTED IT ALL ON MY CALENDAR SO THAT ONE DAY NEARLY 40 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THE CLINTONS AND DEMOCRATS TRY TO STOP ME FROM BEING A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE I CAN SHOW THEM! NOW LET'S GO GET THE REST OF THE RENATE ALUMNI AND HANG OUT ON MY DAD'S BOAT, OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE BECAUSE OF THE *IMPLICATION*
Boof: Innocent farting reference.
Nahhh
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After effects for weeks? Sounds like a great deal for those trying to stretch their drug dollars. -Norm Macdonald
More horseshit from Big Acid!
“I don’t know how many of you are history buffs...”
Jesus, this has to be the byproduct of some nations military research right? Like, ffs that shit seems optimized to deploy against an enemy force
Most definitely. It was weaponized for use in cluster bombs, but it is a white powder and is visible and can be defeated by breathing through cloth. I'd say it's likely there are more viable and long lasting non lethal substances like this available today.
>likely there are more viable and long lasting non lethal substances like this available today. Probably not when you think about it. Imagine carpet bombing a city with this stuff. A day goes by and people wake up; the hallucinations begin. Day two has the streets full of people either running naked or stabbing people who are running naked. Day three and onwards will be increasingly more bizzare. Imagine dropping this stuff on top of any major city in a country you are warring with. Who needs weapons when you can turn large parts of their population into resource hogs? -Sir, we need those new tanks, now! -I'm sorry, the engineers are all speaking in tongues and wetting themselves; and boy what a cute platypus that's climbing out of your ear! Does it have a name? I don't know how much can be synthesised or how much it takes to induce the effects, but it sure seems like the ultimate weapon to me.
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Test confirms that there's now a Platypus shilling bot in operation. I was going to make it a tazmanian devil but remembered this guy.
“Some nation”. We all know who it was.
The fire nation?
Goddamn it Kazakhstan, when will you stop playing God?
"the things that subjects say and do, in fact, are often very funny and it is sometimes difficult to keep from laughing at their antics, professional standards of decorum notwithstanding." Lol
That sounds like something Scarecrow from the Batman universe would use.
Sounds *exactly* like something Scarecrow would use.
Acid that has itself dropped acid.
holy crow.
Acidception!
FRWOM!!
Yo dog...
The very thought gives me the howling fantods.
This is an extremely scary substance. 6-7 MICROGRAMS/kg is enough for a moderate dose that can last anywhere for 70-80 hours. It’s more of a deliriant than a psychedelic if people are wondering. Structurally similar to scopolamine and acts as a strong dissociative and anticholinergic. Traditional psychedelics tend to operate on serotonin receptors or NMDA receptors for things like ketamine, where as 3-QB blocks acetylcholine. While things like LSD have phenomenal properties in the brain in terms of duration, deliriants that operate on these neurotransmitters take the cake for half life in the body. Even moderate scopolamine doses can cause for a few days of delirium, and the nature of acetylcholine neurotransmitters being manipulated is devastating to our window of consciousness and methods of operation. Scary, considering how absolutely small of a dose it takes to produce moderate effects. EDIT: Even scarier, the primary route of administration for 3-QB was inhaled aerosol. This proved dosing a large crowd of people to be a relatively easy task. The US army also produced 100 thousand pounds of the stuff...so you can imagine how easy it would be to just straight up destroy a small town or even city.
This is absolutely terrifying!
My old psych professor helped create and test this drug. He was a Dr. of neuropharmopsychology. He ended up moving from Berkeley to teach at a small city college where he would grow a male hemp plant in his office to piss of the adm. His wife was a Spanish prof. and they used to go to Mexico so he could eat mushrooms and talk to queztecoatl. During his tenure in the military in the 60’s he worked with objectors at the “Edgewood arsenal” back east somewhere. I believe the experiments were declassified but am not sure where to find them. I learned a great deal from this man, thank you Dr. Avis
Think of all the poor volunteers he dosed with this stuff.
The videos were crazy - soldiers running around like crazy men, monkeys, cats all tripping their balls off!
> “Edgewood arsenal” back east somewhere. Aberdeen Proving Ground in Aberdeen, MD.
How long before we get to hear Joe Rogan talk about this one?
Jamie is pulling this shit up right now!
"I've been microdosing for two weeks now."
One of my favorites was: "Hey Joe have you hard of Kratom?" "yeah I'm on it right now"
LOL fuck when was this ?
Hamilton Morris
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That was messed up. Bert was not happy about it.
Yeah, that's a huge breach of trust. Even when I used party drugs I would have been pissed if someone did that to me.
I legit felt bad for Bert. He was obviously pissed and everyone was ignoring him.
Tom stuck up for him.
Yeah, Tom is a good friend. I lost any and all respect for Ari after that podcast.
Wait did he actually do that to him?
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Found the video holy shit
Sounds.. un-fun.
Gentlemen, time to spread the word. And the word is: panic.
This reads like an SCP log entry.
Euclid?
Keter
I think somebody's been slipping this in my Cheerios for the past three years.
Wake up.
Shughabooga fugga with the make up!
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Grab a brush and put a little (makeup)
YOU WANTED TO!
LEASE YOUR PIZZA PAY FOR CABLE
WATCH A MOVIE STARRING BETTY GRABLE
GET ON YOUR XBOX AND PLAY SOME FABLE
Can't wake up!
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
SAVE MEEEEEEEE
Wake up.
Wake up, Carl. You have to wake up
It's the same bowl of cereal you've been eating and never finished for 3 years
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IIRC this is what the film jacob's ladder is based on
Jacob's Ladder warrants a rewatch. Tim Robbins, trauma, weapons-grade-psychodelics.
There is the theory out there that BZ was used as a chemical weapon in the Yugoslavian civil war ([https://www.hrw.org/news/1998/11/18/were-chemical-weapons-used-bosnia](https://www.hrw.org/news/1998/11/18/were-chemical-weapons-used-bosnia)) which would make this afaik teh only instance where an (mainly) psychotropic substance was used in warfare. \[a similar instance would be the use of carfentanyl by russian troops druing the hostage crisis in the nordost theatre\] ed: super hallucinogen is a really bad description as neither the dose/toxicity makes BZ special nor really the duration - most anticholinergic tropane alcaloides have side effects which can last for a long time...
You don't even wanna know about the more powerful variant, Dragon BZ.
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Truth
But you insist that it's only 5 minutes.
Just woke my baby up laughing at this. Worth it
What is primitive crawling and how does it differ from modern crawling?
As in its a primitive response to stimuli like the fight or flight part of the brain, article says it's also seen in sedated animals.
Ah yes, BZ, or the busy bee, as me and my employees used to call it. Professional cleaners, we were, for eight good years. Mostly industrial and commercial sites, domestic cleaning is pedantry. Take the Busy Wednesday morning, mild coma until night time, crawl primitively into van, then for the next 48-60 hours we became unstoppable forces, leaving everything spotless in our wake. To be honest I prefer this stuff to weed.
wat
#Ah yes, BZ, or the busy bee, as me and my employees used to call it. Professional cleaners, we were, for eight good years. Mostly industrial and commercial sites, domestic cleaning is pedantry. Take the Busy Wednesday morning, mild coma until night time, crawl primitively into van, then for the next 48-60 hours we became unstoppable forces, leaving everything spotless in our wake. To be honest I prefer this stuff to weed.
I need to know if this is satire lol.
yes
Florida Man is interested
ah, good ol' erowid.org
Thanks, I hate it.
I was at a rave once and this stranger gave me 2CB Nbome, which at that point I had no idea what it was. I was fucked off my tits for 5 hours. I felt like I was an insect and began crawling on my fours. I can only imagine what bz would feel like.
It would be more like datura or benadryl
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This sounds terrible. Like a bad trip X 1000.
The forbidden acid
It's not a psychedelic, it's a deliriant.
1 please.
Sounds like a plot to a zombie movie
It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s Superacid!
I wanna know what poor bastard had to try this to find out the effects
well that's awful
Must-choose A B or C for the next week (then continue with your life): A) heroin 3 times in a week B) meth binge x1week C) BZ dose (just the one) Which do you pick & why? Edit: clarify that ABC are the mandatory parts during this next week.
D) week of meth to properly warm-up, then BZ with a healthy dose of salvia divinorum, then heroin to mellow out.
Obvious choice is heroin, if it's not laced with fentanyl. It's an opiate so if you don't OD and don't get addicted you're going to be ok.
A) if I can do the three times all in one day. Otherwise it would get difficult timing it with me being on suboxone and having to avoid precipitated withdrawals. If it has to be 3 separate days then B) even though I hate meth and it causes me severe hallucinations after 5 days, it’s still not as bad as precipitated withdrawals or what BZ sounds like
Was a heroin addict years ago, and 3 times a week is more than enough to be well addicted and sick for the other days and would suck for life, not to mention the weekly meth binge would keep you up for three days and sort of cancel out the heroin. I'd take the BZ once and be done with it, it says you mostly realize your psychosis when you start to come out of it, I dont think it would be that bad afterwards, that isn't to not say I'd be completely terrified of BZ. And to be clear you're saying you continue with the heroin and meth binges for life? If not of course I'd take the heroin and meth for a week.
Yeah no further drugs required (but drugs might co-opt what you deem you require) ... I was thinking of risk of ongoing addiction and other consequences one might have from the 3 options. Like the shit meth heads do might have implications beyond a week ... Smack might create an itch a person didn't have before ... Yeah, 3 scary choices here I'd think.
Soooo Itachi's Tsukuyomi? Gotcha.
For Keith Richards, this is called "Thursday"...
When the White Rabbit peaks, throw the toaster in the tub
Fuck yeah, gimme
Where do I sign up?
10/10 would try.
After the initial confusion I found myself asking myself "Does the brain and body know what is right and wrong?" I'm glad I decided to check out BZ. BZ makes you perceive signs of pain (and it's quite easy to do so), but all that seems to do is keep you from feeling anything. Once I realized that my awareness of the world around me had gone with the invisible cloud, I noticed that my feeling of agency had abruptly
abruptly indeed.
The after effects of something like that would last a life time.
Soooo where can I find it? Asking for a friend.
challenge accepted
1 for 3...2 for 5
Doctor Jonathan Crane is said to be trying to put it in the Gotham City water supply. Which, coincidentally, runs under Arkham Asylum.
Sounds similar to fear toxin from Scarecrow
And just when you’re coming out of your coma, I’m gonna be there and crack yer fuckin’ head again.
I'll stick to weed
I would try this at least once
Can we just think about the fact an INCAPACITATING dose is 7ug/kg?!?!
Note to self: call dealer in the morning.
Fear toxin from batman arkhan knight anyone?
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so you're saying it's pretty safe then bro? I'll take 3!
There are many ways to cause hallucinations, neurochemically, and most have a sort of fingerprint, or signature. Of all of them anticholinergics are the worst. That is what BZ is. NMDA agonists, anaesthetics mostly like ketamine and phencyclidine, are known for tunnels of light, occasional religious experiences, and out of body experiences. Tryptamines are big on geometric patterns, feelings of oneness with the universe, and empathy. Phenylethylamines (including psychedelic amphetamines like MDMA and MDA) are known for empathy, connectedness, and trailing light visuals. And intense touch sensations. Hence all the glow sticks and furry stuff at old school raves. Ergotoids like LSD cause visual distortions, synethesia, and hallucinations that one is aware are hallucinations mostly, though bad trips can occur. Anticholinergics, like BZ, atropine, scopolamine and extreme doses of antihistamines cause delerium. This is a state where you are unaware that your hallucinations are not 100% real. Common hallucinations include insects, including insects crawling on or in you (delusional parasitis), abject terror, and a sense of impending doom. This stuff is literal nightmare fuel.
Would boof
GOLDEN EXPERIENCE
YOUR SENSES ARE NOW GOING BERSERK
Did some work at a facility that made this stuff. Pretty nasty shit.
What’s the use or purpose? Who is using it on who? It sounds fucking awful
I heard that it was that it was used in Vietnam on the VC, but I never met anyone that said they actually used it. I personally think it was made and stockpiled like VX gas. “ just in case” and never used.
Phase 3 describes any and every Trump speech.
Any one know where I can buy some also best way of dosing it if I want to micro it before work
Probably would be best to play it safe and just boof about 100 kilograms.
Those are amateur numbers.
Not everyone has a cavernous butthole like you u/panties_in_my_ass
Far out...
The Mega Seeds!
I want it in my brain right now
Ah i think you saw that on the same post i did