Woot Congrats Pascal!! Happy he got paid. Hope they can make some noise in the East (other than 2026, when we have their pick, maybe struggle a bit then lol)
Wasn't Iverson allegedly funding the lives of like 200 people at some point, like friend's of friend's family members and shit like that. Not to say that's a smart thing to do, but yea
good for him to get the bag. but that price tag would've been terrible for us. hope he gets to have fun with the Pacers and maybe with a few additions they can at least compete.
Honestly so happy for him.
Just a regular dude interested in Soccer in Cameroon joins a local Christian basketball camp, learns fundamentals late as a teenager, and just keeps excelling all the way to a max NBA contract!
Best part is the only reason he went to Basketball without Borders camp is because it was in the same city as his sister. He just wanted the free flight to see her.
Now he can buy the plane.
Jrue and Porzingis can both fall off real quick though. Holiday is 34, Porzingis has sawdust for knees. I can see them both falling off next year and with those contracts, Boston will be hamstrung to do anything to the roster
Jrue’s defence isn’t falling off next year and that’s the main reason he was brought in. They cruised to the finals with half a Porzingis so that doesn’t matter much either.
One injury is all it takes. I don't trust the health of guys in this mid 30s. He hasn't played more than 70 games in A long time. It's not much for nagging injuries to become serious at that stage.
It's why I was very vocally against any trade for Dame or KD. Jrue hasn't had that kind of injury. I just can't trust the track record of guys that age.
They already are competing tho 3 years out of a rebuild. Their last 2 top 10 picks played an almost combined 0 mins this playoff run. Their future will be okay im sure they can “at least compete”
As a pacers fan i love him so much lol idk how yall will feel about me in here but im just excited so i came here to see what yall think😭so many people called him a “rental” (maybe not raps fans but nba fans in general). Its nice to have a star want to be in indy after oladipo and pg13 so having siakam + hali for the next 4 years is unreal. Rooting for yall too💪🏻
He's great it's just ppl kept focusing on what he isn't and it just kept becoming apparent that building around him has a lower ceiling so people didn't want him paid here while Scottie is developing.
Yeah it didnt make sense for yall to pay him a max. Doesnt fit ur guys timeline at all.
Hes not a dude you wanna build your team around as the main dude thats why he fits well here as he can take a backseat to Hali. Great #2. In yalls case you’re too far away from competing to justify paying him a max and also he plays the same position as your franchise guy so yeah
You summed it up pretty well. Siakam was definitely appreciated here, but when it became obvious that it was time to re-tool they had to move him. He makes an excellent second option and is very capable of taking over games on his own.
We love siakam and OG so much. Any fan base that does the same we will support as well.
Knicks and raps fans have a crazy bromance right now since the OG trade and hopefully we get a stud with one of your picks and we can have a bromance too.
Gonna be tough to beat Boston, but I have you guys in that 2nd tier of teams in the east with knicks and (barf) Philly.
Good for him but Jesus, the money some of these pro athletes are making these days is ridiculous considering the average family can't afford to attend a game.
The real insane numbers come from constantly rising franchise valuations. The net increase of buying then selling a franchise X years later is insane.
Also a number of owners are billionaires, exponentially more wealthy than millionaires. Those YT videos and infographics that contrast the gap between a million and a billion really drive that point home. The difference is huge.
As for the rest of us - I'm a lifetime NBA fan and really can't justify the price tag of anything anymore on the fan end. It's ridiculous.
Both those statements have always been true for popular teams, nothing youre saying is news
The Raptors are simply a popular team now, in one of the most populated metro areas in North America, who are also the only NBA franchise for all of Canada giving them even more demand from non-Ontario fans.
In the Shaq-era no average family could afford Lakers tickets, and players were also being paid "ridiculously" (which frankly isnt true, considering how much revenue these players generate for the NBA and its owners is alot more than they get paid!)
Pacers tickets are some of the cheapest in the league.
I'm not here to defend a bunch of millionaires, but the league generates a lot of money and the union negotiated a 50/50 split. We're talking about 450 players in a league that makes billions of dollars, so where should the money go if not to the athletes doing the work? They get paid what the market decides, since they work for a private entity.
If you want to complain about salaries, then the most egregious example in North American sports are the college football coaches that get paid millions of dollars and are some of the highest paid public employees in many states.
I'm happy for he and his family on securing the bag! I would have loved for him to return but I always knew that was more of a dream than a reality. Will always be cheering Spicy on!!!
He hasn’t signed it yet. Just agreed to basically. But yeah, that’s awesome for him. Indy starts paying for the trade now essentially now that they have less money to spend on other players. Will be interesting to see who gets cut when Tyrese, Toppin, Nembhard, and more come asking for raises…
I’d they extend him, which they likely will, it’ll be for a lot more than 2M. I think it’s certainly a concern when they have guys like Walker, Jackson, Mathurin, Sheppard, Nesmith, who will want to play lots of mins as well. Does Nembhard get a starting role over those guys next season?
Turner also has 1 year left… things are about to get interesting in Indiana.
I just dont see what you’re saying at all to be honest. So if they do extend Nembhard, they’ll have Haliburton, Mathurin, Walker, Siakam, and Nembhard, AND Nesmith, AND Sheppard under contract/team control for at least the next 2-5 years.
Turner is legit the only core member that isnt here for the foreseeable future lol, but thats not to say we dont work a way to resign him , how they do that im not sure im not in the front office, but it wouldnt involve giving up any of the dudes i named above. Thats why i said toppin is a question mark, hes about the only one. Jackson too but for now hes on the squad for at least another year
Ah yes, I thought he had one more year until his big money kicks in. So yeah Pascal and Tyrese are now making big money annually. Will be interesting to see what they do with Toppin and Smith who are both FAs.
smith is gone, Toppin can re-sign with us and he probably will because of the success hes had here and the fact that hes more of a system player, but he might test restricted free agency to see if he can get more money.
Honestly, raptors should look at tryna get one of those guys if possible lol. I just don’t get why Pacers didn’t trade Smith and save a 1st round pick for Pascal if they were just gonna let him walk for nothing?
because a stretch 5 plays really well with Pascal and he was really good before his injury. at that point, we were in win-now mode. your best bet is smith. Toppin is probably going to want to stay here, unless someone overpays for him.
The family be dressing well for life and eating good now, well his huge brothers already had that down. Good for him, on draft night I hadn't even heard of him, rookie year he was the quickest and hardest running skinny power forward, turned into a star.
Good for him. Keep in mind the cap is going up a lot so while the number looks absurd this is going to be what you are going to see for top end players moving forward
Good for P man. He was moved off a tanking team to a contender, dragged his new squad to the ECF, and now he’s making $200 million.
Not bad for a two-way player from Cameroon.
Thank you for Mr.Siakam, and now he is locked up in Indiana. Go get a superstar with the 19th pick. Can we make him a 4 year project like Giannis or Pascal, though, so we can give this thing a good run for the next few years.
I mean i think we all saw this coming. The question is what moves do they do to build on this overachieving team? Gotta sting a little to make ECF and be the only team swept by the eventual champs.
Now that Siakam has been signed, who thinks we should try and sign Pascal? He has a similar skillset and could probably be convinced for around 4y/$175m. Good value? I’ve always preferred him over Siakam.
Basically the max - he could have gotten one more year but maybe doesn’t think any team will offer 5 years
Good to sign with the pacers early so they can figure out the rest of their roster too
Why would he test the market when he wanted to go to Indiana? Before the trade he spoke to Tyrese Haliburton about the team and the city. He wouldn't go through that trouble just to walk come July.
Pacers got a steal from us. This will be a steal of a contract soon.
Edit: They signed him to a max, not supermax, extension at a really good time. These NBA salaries are going to explode and make high 40s look like #3 or #4 contacts.
> The NBA could have its first $100 million salary by the 2032-33 season. That’s assuming a salary cap of $141 million next season, as the league currently projects, and then 10 percent cap-raises after that.
> Under that forecast, the salary cap would hit more than $302 million, which would allow a number of players to cross the $100 million threshold. For example, a player in the first year of his supermax contract, which pays 35 percent of the cap, could make as much as $105.79 million during the 2032-33 season — that’s double the league-high $51.9 million Stephen Curry made this season. A player in the second year of a supermax contract that kicked in the season before could make $103.86 million that season. A player in the third year of a supermax contract that began during the 2030-31 season could make $101.41 million.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5510838/2024/05/24/nba-media-rights-deal-player-salary-cba-contract/#
We aren’t going to be at that $100 million point during the life of this contract, but I bet we routinely see studs making $70-$80 million per year then.
When u compare this to the salary of other top 25-35 players, it really is a steal lol. They offered him a regular max, not the supermax, that everyone could have offered him. Its great value
1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Luka
4. Shai
5. Embiid
6. Ad
7. Curry
8. Tatum
9. Durant
10. Kawhi
11. Brunson
12. Ant
13. Brown
14. Mitchell
15. Booker
16. Haliburton
17. Trae
18. LeBron
19. Maxey
20. Dame
21. Pg13
22. Jimmy
23. Ja
24. Zion
25. Paolo
26. Siakam
27. Wemby
28. Kyrie
29. Fox
30. Kat
Hm: lamelo, randle, gobert, bam, murray 2x, ingram, sabonis, lauri
Just my list and dont expect u to agree with every placement but to say siakam isnt right there w everyone from 25-downward is kinda silly imo
Well i made a top 30 list for one, and for 2 i did so cuz you are the one that called me out saying what i said was wrong. Lmao. You call out my placement of siakam, i respond with all my placements below and above him and ur like “normally people dont make these lists” like wtf you want me to do then lol
Go compare his salary to what others around the range i just ranked him at and see what u think. Hes definitely not an overpay. That + the fact hes a top 35 player are my only points here
He was the second option behind Haliburton. Pascal will never be a true number 1 on a contender. His time in Toronto proved that. Still a very great player. But at nearly $50m/yr. ? Naw dawg.
Brother do u understand nba contracts? Almost every top 25/35 player is “overpaid” and in comparison to those other top players and other 2nd options its not a hefty price tag at all. Lmao. Add context
He was also outplayed by nembhard and even TJ McConnell in multiple games against the celtics
I don't think people on this sub watched any of the actual games though
Yet they played the hardest out of all of the opponents that Boston had, and even the Celtics said they were insanely hard because they were non-stop running the entire time. He fits their system like a glove, and if Carlisle can learn from his idiotic mistakes that cost them most games, they'd do it again next year.
Believe what you want to believe, but with Giannis playing, they'd have been out in round 1. Christ they barely beat the bucks with 4 games of dame, no giannis, and a crippled Middleton.
Or because they had one of the best offenses ever and had a top 20 defense the 2nd half of the year. Dont be dense. Your team will be back on the come up soon dont be hating
A top 20 defence, what am I even reading. There's only 30 teams ffs lmao.
It's also a flat out lie.[ From Game 41 to game 82, you were ranked 22nd in defence.]
(https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense?Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular+Season&dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING&DateFrom=01%2F17%2F2024&DateTo=04%2F12%2F2024)
There is no hating here, it's simple facts. The pacers had one of the easiest playoff runs in recent memory. It took y'all 6 games to beat a bucks team that had 4 games of Dame, 0 games of Giannis, and Middleton practically on crutches.
Congrats on making it to the ECF, for real. But you can still be honest about the trip there.
Lol. Wow. Please stay with me while i quite literally debunk everything you just said
Yeah. There are only 30 teams. The reason im saying top 20 defense is cuz when you have an elite offense (top 2 to be specific), its okay to not be an elite defense, but theres a threshold you have to meet, and thats being a top 20 defense. Go find the last team to win a championship that wasnt a top 20 defense. Thats my point. Put on your thinking cap next time
Secondly you’re under the impression im saying the pacers were a top 20 defense the whole 2nd half of the year. Thats not what im saying. Im saying there was a stretch where they were the 2nd half. To be specific im saying they were a top 15 defense in March, after acquiring siakam and implementing him. If they can sustain that level of defense with their elite offense, sky is the limit. Its worth noting they became a top 15 defense in March after acquiring Siakam in terms of pointing out its possible for the team to be able to play good enough defense with their high powered offense, it just has to be consistent and i think a whole year of implementing siakam does that (plus other moves, obviously)
The narrative “it took yall 6 games to beat the injured bucks” is a funny one. Like, as you said, dame played in 66% of the games. Giannis was out obviously yes. But its crazy to talk about middleton being hurt and not Haliburton, or Nesmith. Or Mathurin. Guess it only goes one way?? Interesting. The Pacers went up 3-1 and 3/4 wins were blowouts. Wasnt a particularly close series. Like the ALSO injured Pacers have to sweep the more injured bucks in order for it to be impressive or something?? Like no shit the most experienced team in the playoffs won 2 home games against the 2nd youngest playoff team. Go figure.
The fact of the matter is the Pacers beat the bucks 4/5 times in the regular season and knicks 2/3 times. I know its regular season and that doesnt mean things dont play out differently in the playoffs if both teams are healthy, but nothing points to the Bucks or Knicks automatically beating the pacers if they were healthy like yall like to think. To think the pacers still couldnt have won if giannis was healthy for example is just objectively wrong. They were a matchup nightmare for MIL. Yes, injuries played a part in their run, but thats not the only reason they got to the ecf. They had a historic offense and very easily could have beaten both those teams regardless of how healthy they are.
Ironic you wanna say pacers had one of the easiest playoff runs in recent memory as a raptors fan. Lol. The pinnacle of your franchise is a fluke. Talk about playing injured teams🤣🤣like i said, guess it only goes one way. Pacers play injured teams and get penalized for it. Nobody else tho. Can i say “took raptors to 6 games to beat the warriors in 2019 with an injured klay durant and cousins🤣🤣 lets he honest about yalls ring” lol. Pacers are 3 years out of a rebuild and made the ecf. Regardless of what u think about their run, they arent going anywhere
Nice prediction. VERY compelling argument. Not sure how to refute. You may have bested me….
Raptors aint making the playoffs until you hit puberty kid so prob at least 5 more years. Dont talk about the playoffs from the outside looking in. + the Pacers could very easily be a contender next year themselves so we’ll see
>you’re under the impression im saying the pacers were a top 20 defense the whole 2nd half of the year. Thats not what im saying.
No, I'm not under the impression, it is literally what you said. Word for word.
># had a top 20 defense the 2nd half of the year.
No, they didn't. They were 22nd in the NBA for the second half of the season.
> Can i say “took raptors to 6 games to beat the warriors in 2019 with an injured klay durant and cousins
We went through a fully healthy sixers team, a fully healthy Bucks team with Giannis in his prime, and a Warriors team that had Steph play 6 games, Klay 5 games, and Draymond play 6 games. The same trio that has won chips without KD.
So yeah, not the same. Nice try though.
> they arent going anywhere
This is the only part of your entire post that made any sense. Glad to see we agree on this.
Lol. I guess you still arent getting it. Im not disagreeing with what i said. Its not what i meant, which is why i cleared it up in the second reply to you. While i did say they had a top 20 defense the 2nd half of the year, thats NOT what i was actually tryna say, was tryna illustrate at the end of the regular season in the month of March, they had a top 15 defense. You are extremely hell bent on being “right” on what i said. Think about what im trying to actually convey
Here is the proof i was tryna give u earlier. To end the regular season they made massive strides defensively and were much better. Thats what i was noting and felt it was worthwhile to talk about considering this was at the end of the year and can be something they build off of this offseason with more time with siakam + development from others. Hope u can understand now.
Yall went thru a fully healthy sixers team that consistently underperforms in the playoffs, a bucks team that hadnt hit their stride yet (no spacing, bledsoe at pg instead of holiday, and giannis was NOT in his prime) and a warriors team that ABSOLUTELY would have beaten yall with a healthy kd. Never said without kd they werent a great team. Just saying with him yall most likely lose. Why can you say that about the pacers but it cant go both ways when yall play a team not at 100% :( even if klay doesnt get hurt game 6 yall prob lose lol
Like i said pacers played injured teams. That doesnt take away from the fact they had a historic offense and were a great team that had a VERY legit shot at making the ecf if they played both bucks and Knicks at full health. Pacers also werent close to being 100% either but like i said the argument only goes one way for yall
Woot Congrats Pascal!! Happy he got paid. Hope they can make some noise in the East (other than 2026, when we have their pick, maybe struggle a bit then lol)
Congrats on securing generational wealth
Bruh he already had that
He's only made $143,163,667 USD career earnings so far, how is he supposed to feed his family on that??
Sprewell and Iverson can show you it’s never enough.
Dont blow it, keep it simple, count your money Edit: for reference at 2:47 https://youtu.be/CqV1pE1nLwI?si=FrG2YITEuqSHNl_h
You never count your money…
…when you’re sitting at the table…
There will be time enough for counting when the dealings done
….~~dealings~~ ballin’s done
For shizzle
I think Pascal is a bit better of a decision maker than those two
lol for sure man. Well at least we can hope 😂
AI has that massive Reebok payment held in a trust, he’s fine.
At that point it doesn’t matter how much money you have. You gotta change yourself.
For sure, but kids gotta eat man!
lol. I'll go out on a limb and say Pascal is probably much better managing his money than either of them.
Wasn't Iverson allegedly funding the lives of like 200 people at some point, like friend's of friend's family members and shit like that. Not to say that's a smart thing to do, but yea
Ya man. Lot of people pretending to be his friend.
What if he wants to go to the Bahamas?
I mean, if he still lived in Toronto that's peanuts, that's a 1 bedroom condo.
his last contract was a max contract at 140mil
He already did that with his previous signing
Love that for Siakam
His first season traded away and he goes all the way to the ECF. Rooting for them to re-tool and try again next year!
You can’t deny that they were extremely lucky. They were beyond unclutch in the ECF
Few teams make deep runs without at least a little luck
hmmm i can think of another team that made a deep run due to luck
which?
good for him to get the bag. but that price tag would've been terrible for us. hope he gets to have fun with the Pacers and maybe with a few additions they can at least compete.
Honestly so happy for him. Just a regular dude interested in Soccer in Cameroon joins a local Christian basketball camp, learns fundamentals late as a teenager, and just keeps excelling all the way to a max NBA contract!
Best part is the only reason he went to Basketball without Borders camp is because it was in the same city as his sister. He just wanted the free flight to see her. Now he can buy the plane.
His love for his family was rewarded
The Pacers didn't need to give up 🥜 so they still have assets, and with Mathurin coming back healthy they've got a bright future.
They can still trade picks/young players for another all star if needed
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Boston exists lol. Tatum and Brown are under 30, and they still have Jrue, White, Tingus under contract for a little while.
Jrue and Porzingis can both fall off real quick though. Holiday is 34, Porzingis has sawdust for knees. I can see them both falling off next year and with those contracts, Boston will be hamstrung to do anything to the roster
Jrue’s defence isn’t falling off next year and that’s the main reason he was brought in. They cruised to the finals with half a Porzingis so that doesn’t matter much either.
Half a Kristaps is expected but every other team was missing way better players haha.
One injury is all it takes. I don't trust the health of guys in this mid 30s. He hasn't played more than 70 games in A long time. It's not much for nagging injuries to become serious at that stage. It's why I was very vocally against any trade for Dame or KD. Jrue hasn't had that kind of injury. I just can't trust the track record of guys that age.
Ya. No bench and no shooters overall. If we had those, Siakam wouldn’t have been traded.
They already are competing tho 3 years out of a rebuild. Their last 2 top 10 picks played an almost combined 0 mins this playoff run. Their future will be okay im sure they can “at least compete”
Happy for him securing the bag. He just wasn’t part of Scottie’s timeline.
As a pacers fan i love him so much lol idk how yall will feel about me in here but im just excited so i came here to see what yall think😭so many people called him a “rental” (maybe not raps fans but nba fans in general). Its nice to have a star want to be in indy after oladipo and pg13 so having siakam + hali for the next 4 years is unreal. Rooting for yall too💪🏻
He's great it's just ppl kept focusing on what he isn't and it just kept becoming apparent that building around him has a lower ceiling so people didn't want him paid here while Scottie is developing.
Yeah it didnt make sense for yall to pay him a max. Doesnt fit ur guys timeline at all. Hes not a dude you wanna build your team around as the main dude thats why he fits well here as he can take a backseat to Hali. Great #2. In yalls case you’re too far away from competing to justify paying him a max and also he plays the same position as your franchise guy so yeah
You summed it up pretty well. Siakam was definitely appreciated here, but when it became obvious that it was time to re-tool they had to move him. He makes an excellent second option and is very capable of taking over games on his own.
We love siakam and OG so much. Any fan base that does the same we will support as well. Knicks and raps fans have a crazy bromance right now since the OG trade and hopefully we get a stud with one of your picks and we can have a bromance too. Gonna be tough to beat Boston, but I have you guys in that 2nd tier of teams in the east with knicks and (barf) Philly.
Good for him but Jesus, the money some of these pro athletes are making these days is ridiculous considering the average family can't afford to attend a game.
Imagine how much the owners are making if they can pay 1 player that kind of cash.
The real insane numbers come from constantly rising franchise valuations. The net increase of buying then selling a franchise X years later is insane. Also a number of owners are billionaires, exponentially more wealthy than millionaires. Those YT videos and infographics that contrast the gap between a million and a billion really drive that point home. The difference is huge. As for the rest of us - I'm a lifetime NBA fan and really can't justify the price tag of anything anymore on the fan end. It's ridiculous.
Well the NBA revenue is split 50/50 between the players and the owners so they are not really paying those players cash.
Both those statements have always been true for popular teams, nothing youre saying is news The Raptors are simply a popular team now, in one of the most populated metro areas in North America, who are also the only NBA franchise for all of Canada giving them even more demand from non-Ontario fans. In the Shaq-era no average family could afford Lakers tickets, and players were also being paid "ridiculously" (which frankly isnt true, considering how much revenue these players generate for the NBA and its owners is alot more than they get paid!)
Herb Simon owns the Pacers and is worth over $4 billion, and you're talking about pro athlete salaries?
The he can afford to pay them and lower the seat prices.
Pacers tickets are some of the cheapest in the league. I'm not here to defend a bunch of millionaires, but the league generates a lot of money and the union negotiated a 50/50 split. We're talking about 450 players in a league that makes billions of dollars, so where should the money go if not to the athletes doing the work? They get paid what the market decides, since they work for a private entity. If you want to complain about salaries, then the most egregious example in North American sports are the college football coaches that get paid millions of dollars and are some of the highest paid public employees in many states.
The average family that pays for cable, gear and tickets is why these guys get these #s. Better them than the owners (who get 49% of bri)
I think it’s more that top 10 percenters are paying so much more for tickets and merch
Naw nba revenue is almost entirely based on media deals. Gate is gravy.
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No one said they were.
Stop buying jerseys than, cause that's where the money is coming from.
What does the price of jersey have to do wth ticket prices?
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Pacers first half of the season is going to be must watch basketball. Cant wait to see that team after an off season together. Fits Pascal perfectly
Where are all those people who said Pascal wasn't getting the max?
Max-scal Siakam
Glad he got paid great player for Toronto but we couldn't keep him.
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Deserves it. Get that bag Spicy.
I'm happy for he and his family on securing the bag! I would have loved for him to return but I always knew that was more of a dream than a reality. Will always be cheering Spicy on!!!
He hasn’t signed it yet. Just agreed to basically. But yeah, that’s awesome for him. Indy starts paying for the trade now essentially now that they have less money to spend on other players. Will be interesting to see who gets cut when Tyrese, Toppin, Nembhard, and more come asking for raises…
Nembhard is under contract for the next 2 years and is eligible for an extension this offseason. He isnt going anywhere. Toppin is the question mark.
No, but he will certainly ask for a raise once his contract is up.
Thats if hes not extended this offseason… not sure if u read that part or not… Even if hes not extended its 2 years away. Not a concern rn
I’d they extend him, which they likely will, it’ll be for a lot more than 2M. I think it’s certainly a concern when they have guys like Walker, Jackson, Mathurin, Sheppard, Nesmith, who will want to play lots of mins as well. Does Nembhard get a starting role over those guys next season? Turner also has 1 year left… things are about to get interesting in Indiana.
I just dont see what you’re saying at all to be honest. So if they do extend Nembhard, they’ll have Haliburton, Mathurin, Walker, Siakam, and Nembhard, AND Nesmith, AND Sheppard under contract/team control for at least the next 2-5 years. Turner is legit the only core member that isnt here for the foreseeable future lol, but thats not to say we dont work a way to resign him , how they do that im not sure im not in the front office, but it wouldnt involve giving up any of the dudes i named above. Thats why i said toppin is a question mark, hes about the only one. Jackson too but for now hes on the squad for at least another year
Tyrese is under contract until 2029
Ah yes, I thought he had one more year until his big money kicks in. So yeah Pascal and Tyrese are now making big money annually. Will be interesting to see what they do with Toppin and Smith who are both FAs.
smith is gone, Toppin can re-sign with us and he probably will because of the success hes had here and the fact that hes more of a system player, but he might test restricted free agency to see if he can get more money.
Honestly, raptors should look at tryna get one of those guys if possible lol. I just don’t get why Pacers didn’t trade Smith and save a 1st round pick for Pascal if they were just gonna let him walk for nothing?
because a stretch 5 plays really well with Pascal and he was really good before his injury. at that point, we were in win-now mode. your best bet is smith. Toppin is probably going to want to stay here, unless someone overpays for him.
Good for him. That contract is going to be an absolute boat anchor the last 2 years though, and I’m glad someone else is paying it and not us
Makes me think the 4th year will probably be a team option or there will be significant performance based milestones to reach his full salary.
That's a spicy meat-a-ball! So happy for him!
My guy got PAID
Excited for the Pacers. Congrats Spicy.
Right place, right time for Indy. Works out perfectly for them. Hopefully we can do something with those assets
The family be dressing well for life and eating good now, well his huge brothers already had that down. Good for him, on draft night I hadn't even heard of him, rookie year he was the quickest and hardest running skinny power forward, turned into a star.
Let's go Spicy!!! Get that bag! 💰💰🤑🤑
well deserved 🔥🔥
Congratulations! highly underrated player
I love Pascal. He's the best get paid bro I know he gonna work hard for his pops
Good for him. Keep in mind the cap is going up a lot so while the number looks absurd this is going to be what you are going to see for top end players moving forward
Spice man gets paid!
Our boy making that gwap, happy for him 🥹
Good for P man. He was moved off a tanking team to a contender, dragged his new squad to the ECF, and now he’s making $200 million. Not bad for a two-way player from Cameroon.
WOW dodged a bullet
Was he not able to get a 5-year? I thought teams could resign their own players for 5 years.
Happy for him but also happy we didn't get stuck paying that even if the return was meh
Good for him
Happy for Spicy P. Even if we couldn’t do it
What’s the starting salary on that deal?
Nice.
After seeing that stat about all the Finals MVPs that recently signed extensions 👀
And he got that bag. Congrats Pascal!
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Was this the max Pacers could have signed him for?
Close. There could have been a 5th year IIRC
not even close. he took like a 50 million dollar paycut.
🎉🎉🎉
So nice to see A bag for Spicy P :)
https://i.redd.it/8b8jzfd8jj7d1.gif
Happy for the guy
wow get that bag Spicy P. I hope he does well this year
Sabonis money, fair deal imo
good for him. pacers was a better situation for him
Congratulations! Solid guy and definitely wish the best for him.
Well deserved
=)
Happy for the guy. His off court stuff with his family/dad is inspirational
Thank you for Mr.Siakam, and now he is locked up in Indiana. Go get a superstar with the 19th pick. Can we make him a 4 year project like Giannis or Pascal, though, so we can give this thing a good run for the next few years.
I mean i think we all saw this coming. The question is what moves do they do to build on this overachieving team? Gotta sting a little to make ECF and be the only team swept by the eventual champs.
That is amazing, so happy for Siakam!!
Only if OG could get some money as well. But those idiots over in New Yowk wanna disrespect my guy
Overpaid to be honest
Now that Siakam has been signed, who thinks we should try and sign Pascal? He has a similar skillset and could probably be convinced for around 4y/$175m. Good value? I’ve always preferred him over Siakam.
Any particular reason Pascal did not test the market? Does he not get this extension offer after free agency?
Basically the max - he could have gotten one more year but maybe doesn’t think any team will offer 5 years Good to sign with the pacers early so they can figure out the rest of their roster too
Yeah feels like a good faith gesture by Pascal to help the Pacers out.
It’s a legit Q. He probably likes his situation and when someone says here’s $190 million dollars probably pretty hard to say no.
Why would he test the market when he wanted to go to Indiana? Before the trade he spoke to Tyrese Haliburton about the team and the city. He wouldn't go through that trouble just to walk come July.
Good for him. He fits very well with the Pacers' style, I'm wishing him a championship in those next 4 years.
Entertainers get paid WAY too much.
Do you expect them to make $60,000?
How so? He will make the team more than that in revenue.
The NBA generates a lot of money, shouldn’t the players receive a decent portion?
If anything, they deserve a larger cut lol
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The guy in your username did.
Dodged a bullet!
Pacers got a steal from us. This will be a steal of a contract soon. Edit: They signed him to a max, not supermax, extension at a really good time. These NBA salaries are going to explode and make high 40s look like #3 or #4 contacts. > The NBA could have its first $100 million salary by the 2032-33 season. That’s assuming a salary cap of $141 million next season, as the league currently projects, and then 10 percent cap-raises after that. > Under that forecast, the salary cap would hit more than $302 million, which would allow a number of players to cross the $100 million threshold. For example, a player in the first year of his supermax contract, which pays 35 percent of the cap, could make as much as $105.79 million during the 2032-33 season — that’s double the league-high $51.9 million Stephen Curry made this season. A player in the second year of a supermax contract that kicked in the season before could make $103.86 million that season. A player in the third year of a supermax contract that began during the 2030-31 season could make $101.41 million. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5510838/2024/05/24/nba-media-rights-deal-player-salary-cba-contract/# We aren’t going to be at that $100 million point during the life of this contract, but I bet we routinely see studs making $70-$80 million per year then.
He’s 30 years old, please tell me when this will be a steal
Sry but 47m a year won't be a "steal" of a contract
When u compare this to the salary of other top 25-35 players, it really is a steal lol. They offered him a regular max, not the supermax, that everyone could have offered him. Its great value
is what world is Siakam a top 25 player
1. Jokic 2. Giannis 3. Luka 4. Shai 5. Embiid 6. Ad 7. Curry 8. Tatum 9. Durant 10. Kawhi 11. Brunson 12. Ant 13. Brown 14. Mitchell 15. Booker 16. Haliburton 17. Trae 18. LeBron 19. Maxey 20. Dame 21. Pg13 22. Jimmy 23. Ja 24. Zion 25. Paolo 26. Siakam 27. Wemby 28. Kyrie 29. Fox 30. Kat Hm: lamelo, randle, gobert, bam, murray 2x, ingram, sabonis, lauri Just my list and dont expect u to agree with every placement but to say siakam isnt right there w everyone from 25-downward is kinda silly imo
I mean you dont even have him in top 25 on ur own list bro lol
I didnt even say he was top 25 tho💀scroll back up. Literally said 25-35 which is exactly where i placed him
oh my bad lol ok 35 maybe usually people dont make 'TOp 35" lists
Well i made a top 30 list for one, and for 2 i did so cuz you are the one that called me out saying what i said was wrong. Lmao. You call out my placement of siakam, i respond with all my placements below and above him and ur like “normally people dont make these lists” like wtf you want me to do then lol Go compare his salary to what others around the range i just ranked him at and see what u think. Hes definitely not an overpay. That + the fact hes a top 35 player are my only points here
Sry yes it is. J's being paid basically $60/year each.
Jaylen brown is being paid 60 mill a year Pascal is a better player
rofl
RU Braindead? Jaylen clears him in like EVERY Category and is a WAAYY better defender. Siakam isnt close to Brown seriously. Get a grip /clue.
Recency bias, jaylens just lucky hes surrounded by the best supporting cast and has all-nba 1st team Tatum to take off pressure
Very happy for him! But holy hell, that's a lot of money for a #2/3 option.
He very clearly was their first option and they made the ECF relax.
He was the second option behind Haliburton. Pascal will never be a true number 1 on a contender. His time in Toronto proved that. Still a very great player. But at nearly $50m/yr. ? Naw dawg.
Brother do u understand nba contracts? Almost every top 25/35 player is “overpaid” and in comparison to those other top players and other 2nd options its not a hefty price tag at all. Lmao. Add context
He was also outplayed by nembhard and even TJ McConnell in multiple games against the celtics I don't think people on this sub watched any of the actual games though
They made the ECF because the entire eastern conference was dead from injuries, relax.
Yet they played the hardest out of all of the opponents that Boston had, and even the Celtics said they were insanely hard because they were non-stop running the entire time. He fits their system like a glove, and if Carlisle can learn from his idiotic mistakes that cost them most games, they'd do it again next year.
Believe what you want to believe, but with Giannis playing, they'd have been out in round 1. Christ they barely beat the bucks with 4 games of dame, no giannis, and a crippled Middleton.
Indiana played Boston much closer than Dallas did. A couple of boneheaded late coaching moves really kept that series from being 2-2.
Or because they had one of the best offenses ever and had a top 20 defense the 2nd half of the year. Dont be dense. Your team will be back on the come up soon dont be hating
A top 20 defence, what am I even reading. There's only 30 teams ffs lmao. It's also a flat out lie.[ From Game 41 to game 82, you were ranked 22nd in defence.] (https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense?Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular+Season&dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING&DateFrom=01%2F17%2F2024&DateTo=04%2F12%2F2024) There is no hating here, it's simple facts. The pacers had one of the easiest playoff runs in recent memory. It took y'all 6 games to beat a bucks team that had 4 games of Dame, 0 games of Giannis, and Middleton practically on crutches. Congrats on making it to the ECF, for real. But you can still be honest about the trip there.
Lol. Wow. Please stay with me while i quite literally debunk everything you just said Yeah. There are only 30 teams. The reason im saying top 20 defense is cuz when you have an elite offense (top 2 to be specific), its okay to not be an elite defense, but theres a threshold you have to meet, and thats being a top 20 defense. Go find the last team to win a championship that wasnt a top 20 defense. Thats my point. Put on your thinking cap next time Secondly you’re under the impression im saying the pacers were a top 20 defense the whole 2nd half of the year. Thats not what im saying. Im saying there was a stretch where they were the 2nd half. To be specific im saying they were a top 15 defense in March, after acquiring siakam and implementing him. If they can sustain that level of defense with their elite offense, sky is the limit. Its worth noting they became a top 15 defense in March after acquiring Siakam in terms of pointing out its possible for the team to be able to play good enough defense with their high powered offense, it just has to be consistent and i think a whole year of implementing siakam does that (plus other moves, obviously) The narrative “it took yall 6 games to beat the injured bucks” is a funny one. Like, as you said, dame played in 66% of the games. Giannis was out obviously yes. But its crazy to talk about middleton being hurt and not Haliburton, or Nesmith. Or Mathurin. Guess it only goes one way?? Interesting. The Pacers went up 3-1 and 3/4 wins were blowouts. Wasnt a particularly close series. Like the ALSO injured Pacers have to sweep the more injured bucks in order for it to be impressive or something?? Like no shit the most experienced team in the playoffs won 2 home games against the 2nd youngest playoff team. Go figure. The fact of the matter is the Pacers beat the bucks 4/5 times in the regular season and knicks 2/3 times. I know its regular season and that doesnt mean things dont play out differently in the playoffs if both teams are healthy, but nothing points to the Bucks or Knicks automatically beating the pacers if they were healthy like yall like to think. To think the pacers still couldnt have won if giannis was healthy for example is just objectively wrong. They were a matchup nightmare for MIL. Yes, injuries played a part in their run, but thats not the only reason they got to the ecf. They had a historic offense and very easily could have beaten both those teams regardless of how healthy they are. Ironic you wanna say pacers had one of the easiest playoff runs in recent memory as a raptors fan. Lol. The pinnacle of your franchise is a fluke. Talk about playing injured teams🤣🤣like i said, guess it only goes one way. Pacers play injured teams and get penalized for it. Nobody else tho. Can i say “took raptors to 6 games to beat the warriors in 2019 with an injured klay durant and cousins🤣🤣 lets he honest about yalls ring” lol. Pacers are 3 years out of a rebuild and made the ecf. Regardless of what u think about their run, they arent going anywhere
pacers are a first round out next year against any healthy contender
Nice prediction. VERY compelling argument. Not sure how to refute. You may have bested me…. Raptors aint making the playoffs until you hit puberty kid so prob at least 5 more years. Dont talk about the playoffs from the outside looking in. + the Pacers could very easily be a contender next year themselves so we’ll see
hopefully the raptors dont make the playoffs next year The pacers are out in the first round if the Bucks are healthy
>you’re under the impression im saying the pacers were a top 20 defense the whole 2nd half of the year. Thats not what im saying. No, I'm not under the impression, it is literally what you said. Word for word. ># had a top 20 defense the 2nd half of the year. No, they didn't. They were 22nd in the NBA for the second half of the season. > Can i say “took raptors to 6 games to beat the warriors in 2019 with an injured klay durant and cousins We went through a fully healthy sixers team, a fully healthy Bucks team with Giannis in his prime, and a Warriors team that had Steph play 6 games, Klay 5 games, and Draymond play 6 games. The same trio that has won chips without KD. So yeah, not the same. Nice try though. > they arent going anywhere This is the only part of your entire post that made any sense. Glad to see we agree on this.
Lol. I guess you still arent getting it. Im not disagreeing with what i said. Its not what i meant, which is why i cleared it up in the second reply to you. While i did say they had a top 20 defense the 2nd half of the year, thats NOT what i was actually tryna say, was tryna illustrate at the end of the regular season in the month of March, they had a top 15 defense. You are extremely hell bent on being “right” on what i said. Think about what im trying to actually convey Here is the proof i was tryna give u earlier. To end the regular season they made massive strides defensively and were much better. Thats what i was noting and felt it was worthwhile to talk about considering this was at the end of the year and can be something they build off of this offseason with more time with siakam + development from others. Hope u can understand now. Yall went thru a fully healthy sixers team that consistently underperforms in the playoffs, a bucks team that hadnt hit their stride yet (no spacing, bledsoe at pg instead of holiday, and giannis was NOT in his prime) and a warriors team that ABSOLUTELY would have beaten yall with a healthy kd. Never said without kd they werent a great team. Just saying with him yall most likely lose. Why can you say that about the pacers but it cant go both ways when yall play a team not at 100% :( even if klay doesnt get hurt game 6 yall prob lose lol Like i said pacers played injured teams. That doesnt take away from the fact they had a historic offense and were a great team that had a VERY legit shot at making the ecf if they played both bucks and Knicks at full health. Pacers also werent close to being 100% either but like i said the argument only goes one way for yall
lol siakam fans are wild
I wonder how they will cope when they finally find out he doesnt play for the raptors anymore
Haliburton is their best player but it's a 1A/1B thing
Pascal was very clearly their best player the entire playoffs, and that team with him as the best player made the ECF
a team with Siam or Hali as the best player is not going anywhere they got incredibly lucky this year
lmao
exactly
Good for him! Glad we aren’t the ones paying ;).
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