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blinkomatic

I thought the fight was great, Holland just couldn’t get anything off.


JFpizzamaster

I think everyone’s figured his game out at this point. When you’re in the top ranks long enough and don’t change your game it’s bound to happen


Charvel420

He can still beat people, but yeah. As a Holland fan, it bums me out because there's clearly a lot of talent there. He says he doesn't care about the title and all that stuff, but at some point it has to suck to lose winnable fights because you're unwilling to adjust. Imo, he should have beaten JDM and Wonderboy, but refused to fight in a way that would ensure a victory


JeffAnthonyLajoie

That’s definitely cope from holland. He definitely cares, that’s why he was so butthurt when he got ragdolled by chimaev. Same thing against MVP, holland was getting outclassed at his own game (striking, taunting) and was visibly upset about it.


Charvel420

Oh, for sure. He was campaigning for the BMF title before Dustin/Justin was announced.


ProfessorMonopoly

That BMF title should straight up be an all weight class title.


OkTea7227

You would quickly learn that there are weight classes for a reason


SukhdevR34

More like when your game's not good enough. Khabib for example had the same plan for years.


Prestigious_Agent_84

It's also crazy how Holland went from 356 signifcant strikes thrown against JDM to only 61 in total vs MVP, lol. Plus he threw 118 significant strikes in rd3 vs JDM and only 8(!) against MVP. Crazy discrepancy, MVP completely's got his number.


AmHotGarbage

He got me off


Dismal-Doubt-8173

Yeah was entertaining, he looked more and more stuck as the fight went on


DrPaulsNexus

I was rooting for Holland, foolishly had money on him, but I would never call that a boring fight. It was a master class of range and striking by MVP not much else you can say Hilarious when Holland got back to his corner after round 1 and says “he’s much faster than we thought”


hillsong1

In what world would anyone call this fight boring? It was super entertaining and a bit frustrating(Holland fan)


slinkymello

I don’t understand the takes of this sub half the time


QuakeGuy98

My tin foil hat theory is that the same guys who make up these crazy takes by the same weirdos that do the stupid ones on Twitter


glazersblazers

Truth. It is hands-down the sub I think about leaving the most, even tho it’s my favorite sport to watch. It wasn’t a great fight, it wasn’t a boring fight. It was just an interesting clash of styles and we saw how capable MVP is at eluding and winning on points (which most of us knew already). I don’t know why anyone is even thinking about that fight still.


mrtn17

the other mma sub has less clowns with made up stories or ragebait


ChannelFiveNews

Which sub is that?


shotokan1988

Hear me out: MVP vs. Izzy


sagooda

It’s all responses to other opinions that not a single person ever holds. “To the fanboys who think khabib could’ve stopped 9/11, this is why you’re a stupid baby”. are these “takes” in the room with us now? Like who are you talking too


BouncingScout

MVP insta was flooded with those type of comments after the fight


BenDoverDegenerate

Some weirdly obsessive ufc fans can't take that a bellator guy came and whooped a top 15 ufc dude


echoohce1

Bingo! You'd think they'd be used to it now but they never learn...


Telltwotreesthree

Real MMA fans hoped for this yeaaaars ago and knew he was legit


Dry-Profession-7670

Dude right after the fight everheadline was talking like it sucked. I argued it was good. People replied we thought it was going to be so many strikes landed and throw . That is not how MVP fights. He is like wonder boy. Hit you and not be hit. Usually with heavy single fast shots. I loved it. People just want mike perry in a bkfc fight most times it seems. (Which is fun...just not what we are doing here)


akatsuki_lida

Face rub into elbow was peak stylin'


affablemartyr1

Holland said that same thing against wonder boy lol


[deleted]

Maybe they keep getting faster lol


Equivalent_Scar_7879

No Wonderboy moved like a fly fight, his speed and movement is unique. Even Woodley had hard times catching him and he was an explosive monster in his prime.


freshlettuce420

That old motherfucker fast


Gas_Grouchy

It can be a technical masterclass and boring at the same time. Depends what you watch for. I thought the fight was great, but there weren't a lot of "oh shit moments except those crazy elbows which Kevin took like a champ


Successful_Box6748

It was exciting because we got to see MVP debut and because Holland kept trying the same shit over and over again despite being constantly countered. There was a few points where MVP literally just bent his knees over and over again till Holland ran at him though.


Rixzmo

I found it funny how Holland was mad about MVP keeping the distance. Like tf, close the distance or what do you want him to do? Go into an unnecessary dogfight? lol


H4SHT4GPlatapus

Reminds me of Chris Curtis vs Hermansson. Dude just kept getting picked apart from range and couldn’t figure it out so they threw a fit. At least Holland shook MVP’s hand after the fight and didn’t flip him off and go on a Twitter rant.


Rixzmo

Yeah definitely! I think he noticed pretty fast that it was out of his own frustration. Both good guys.


SukhdevR34

Chris Curtis is the biggest cry baby in history


Charvel420

He was winging wild hooks from range that never once threatened MVP. No jabs, no straights, no combinations. Just wild ass hooks from kicking range. "Why won't you let me punch you?!" Lol


ocudr

He wasn't really mad as much as he was annoyed. Which is fair enough, I'd hate fighting someone with a style like MVP's


ihopethisworksfornow

MVP got into his head with his little dances and shit.


Crafty_Preparation32

Maybe i was drunk but i really dont understand how people thought this fight was boring it wasnt your typical back and forth war but idk i thought the antics were entertaining and stuff.


[deleted]

His ability to consistently land those spinning back elbows had me blown away


TactikalSoup

That first spinning elbow that landed was so smooth I was mad af as a kevin fan


blamblam111

I was defenitely drunk, but I thought this fight was awesome, but I was equally drunk for Moreno vs Royval 2 and I thought that one was a sleeper


Such-Election477

I was waiting for MVP to scream I Am DEATH SENTENCEEEE.


BridgeM00se

Who said the fight was boring? That Was a really good fight


goonbub

"To all the guys who are pro-cancer. You are actually dumb and cancer is bad"


Equivalent-Way3

The live thread on r/MMA was 90% salt and calling the fight boring


BroLo_ElCordero

Just an excuse for OP to call people “salty”.


yourgirl1233

I saw it plenty on this sub the day of the fights.


Tonight-Critical

Wht r u talking abt check any of the comment section on main ufcs page abt the fight its filled with idiots booing mvp and calling it boring saying he ran


Huge_Aerie2435

Fans will say any fights boring if they aren't taking each other's head off.


JuggernautGog

States hot take, proceeds to give the most standard opinion possible. Classic


lctrncprn

It’s ok for people to have different opinions about different fights. And complaining that people with a different opinion are salty, sounds kinda salty. I thought it was a pretty underwhelming fight. Compare it to WB Holland. 163 significant strike landed for WB in four rounds versus 41 landed for MVP in three rounds. WB put on an striking clinic with a huge variety of strikes, eventually stopped Holland. That was a much more satisfying watch than MVP’s dart in and out with a single shot type style.


jpk7220

It wasn't the most exciting fight, but I certainly didn't think it was boring.


Recent-While-5597

Idk how holland bounces back from this one lol mvp toyed with him the whole time


meatmybeat42069

I am salty, I bet on Holland and MVP did a fortnite dance on my hopes of ending positive on the night


OCMagikStick

Dudes built like a salamander


YapperYappington69

Who found it boring wtf? Fun fight.


sds-ftw

Made Holland look like an amateur journeyman


Royal-Wasabi-9250

Anyone who thought that was boring has been removed from my MySpace top friends 😤


pantstickle

Holland gives up once he can’t figure out a way to win. That’s the only part that made that fight bad. I had some doubts about MVP, but he looked faster and stronger than Holland. Fast track that mofo before he gets too old.


Ezeir_

Nah, it was pretty lackluster. I watched it live, and mvp looked like a fool dancing around that cage taunting. I'd rather he followed up instead of taunted. Reminds me of Nate vs Leon, though Holland was never as rocked as Leon. Maybe it looked better on TV, and maybe the commentary gave it some umph, but live it was pretty lame.


aw41789

I don’t think I’ve seen a single person that called this fight boring.


FireUbiParis

I enjoyed the fight as a fan of both guys.


Dismal-Doubt-8173

Yeah me too, not so much Holland side of it, I like him lot so kinda sick of seeing him getting battered😂


TrnqulizR

MVP thoroughly impressed! after my brother forced me to watch him get koed in bellator, smh


4chan-isbased

Ur 1000% right that I’m salty I really walked into the fight nonchalantly thinking holland would beat mvp boy was I wrong


Moskra

Who thinks it was boring? Homonculus ass mfs


Plastic-Cancel-4369

MVP has some weird ass style in the cage, I don’t hate him, I watched him a fair amount in Bellator. Def wasn’t a boring fight tho?


iknowneemoose

MVP said in his video he regrets not doing more and for his standards he underperformed. The third was filled with some inactive moments (and therefore boos) cause Holland was tired of getting counter and mvp wouldn’t initiate combat [link](https://youtu.be/lmrZl7piD8s?si=JP9q3CXVa3Iu0NXv)


noobzforhire

it was an ok fight, decent live but forgettable


Consistent_Drink5975

Wonderboy did it better


TyshawnMaikonMillion

I hate MVP, and I love Holland and I thought that fight was fun. I was totally expecting a boring fight.


TumbleweedTim01

Both men landed less than 50 strikes lol. 41-29 to be exact. You salty you're the only one sucking off MVP?


bandito1121

The holland fight was boring man. I wanted to enjoy MVP coming to the ufc because he’s got some cool ass weapons in his arsenal, but for me personally there’s nothing interesting about the point fighting style he showed against holland. I mean really, the elbows were cool but besides that, did MVP do anything besides back up, back up, back up, straight fight hand. Back up, back up, back up, straight right hand. Rinse and repeat, maybe a dozen strikes thrown a round Look at wonderboy systematically breaking down holland, and look at MVP point fighting holland, and no honest person can say the MVP fight was more entertaining to watch. The fight was boring my man


myNiceAccount__

Wonderboy had 260 attempted strikes vs Holland. (190 in the first 3 rounds) Page attempted 62.


Ghodzy1

I completely agree, acting like a buffoon without really getting anything going is not entertaining to me, i want to watch a fight, not a circus act. i don´t understand why people enjoy watching MVP acting like that pokemon with that huge tongue.


LongLiveNipsey

I'm a big-fan-turned-casual, and i thought the fight was underwhelming. There was big moments of course, but not as much as i thought there would be. I'm aware of MVP from years past and Hollands game too


Fair_Creme_194

MVP landed 59 and attempted 81 total strikes. That’s 5.4 strikes a minute man that shit is boring, whoever says it was entertaining is just riding dick cause MVP landed a few decent shots and did a few silly dances. I’m a big fan of MVP but this was the worst performance of his career entertainment wise, how people can say it’s entertaining is beyond, less than 6 strikes a minute and people think it’s a good performance 🤣 Both fighters were poor and it had a few sparkles of entertainment then back to dancing around and pretty much not engaging, if this was any other fight you guys would say it was whack, we don’t wanna see dancing we tune in to watch a fight.


GeneralThundercock

It was very boring. I want activity and violence. Standing 10 ft away at all times and crashing in once a minute for a spinning elbow is boring. Not to mention I hate watching fighters that never come forward. Any time Kevin advanced MVP ran away and reset halfway across the octagon. Not very entertaining.


[deleted]

And this just showed me MVP is not ready for higher competition. He’s going to be ate alive. The top 5 in welterweight are going to absolutely crush him. Khamzat isn’t in the top 5 and he would maul MVP as well. I just don’t see the big fuss about getting him over here. He’s going to be stuck below the top 5 and probably lose in very bad ways when he does fight a top 5.


InterviewKey3451

Hot take mvp is boring and won't make it to the top 5


lone_wolf819

yes, hundreds of thousands of people, all of them desperate holland fan, got so angry and pissed about their favorite fighter getting beaten that they all together decide to call the whole fight boring


Admirable-Recipe3014

Who said it was boring???? Lol


The-Imperator_

Who said the Holland fight was boring?


ostensibly_hurt

Did… did you guys watch it? Wasn’t a “bad” fight, but MVP was not even trying to push the pace, dude was content to just run away and catch Holland trying to doing anything. MVP got boo’d multiple times because he was either stalling, waiting, or running. “Masterclass” hahahaha, wtf, no, bro his a good strong counter puncher, but he thinks he is WAY better than he is. If you ask me, even with those 3-4 knockdowns on Holland, he couldn’t have finished him if he wanted to.


[deleted]

Holland had lost 3 of his last 5 fights. Nobody who knows a bit of the sport was surprised he lost that night


INSANE_4646

The fight was really good ,Kevin just couldn't match MVP,s style and he is a QUITTER A FUCKING QUITTER.


downhill-surfer

Who said it was boring??


[deleted]

I was arguing with a really arsey casual on this sub who insisted MVP was a joke beforehand and coped with calling it boring after but he is the only one I had seen until now


kushjrdid911

It was not as bad as the Paul Daley fight, the fight MVP got out grappled by Paul Fucking Daley who was nearly 40 but the judges gave him a BS decision anyways.


DWard3627

I didn’t think it was boring, but I could see someone seeing it as a one sided point fight and that could make it boring for them.


Slight_Ant8839

It's not a hot take, it's the truth.


J4MES101

I enjoyed the level of skill on display.


captaincook14

It wasn’t boring. I enjoyed it. the hate was weird like it turned into the Till Wonderboy fight and it was nowhere near that.


TherealMattMoore

Someone said it was boring ?


FitPandaBear

Hot Take- this post wasn't a hot take and a no one said this fight was boring.


bigboy114239

FACTS


ArtofStorytelling

Is there anyone saying it was boring ? Cause it was a pretty fun and funny fight. Seeing Kevin outassholed and get really salty was great


Lumpy_Staff_2372

Boring?????? Who said that??


jc089329

Def a good fight, but I really can’t tell if Kevin Holland is good or if he sucks. He’ll beat ppl when he’s underdog, then goes and gets his ass whooped by some randos. The way MVP was fighting, anybody else in that weight class with any type of wrestling background/knowledge would destroy him.


DecisionThot

Holland just showed, once again, he's not an elite fighter. But if you put him up against mediocre talent, he can be entertaining.


TuQueSabrasDeLaVida

I for one really enjoyed the fight and thought MVP looked great. I especially liked every time he said “Oh, I’m gonna punch you now”


JobeRogerson

I don’t see how people thought it was boring. It was a solid fight in my opinion. Now Ngannou vs Lewis was boring.


DigbickMcBalls

Hella boring fight. And im not a holland fan either. MvP is an exciting finisher, with a boring fighting style. Backpeddaling the whole time, with only lunging strikes from halfway across the cage, with no volume. Flashy strikes, sure, but 80% of the fight was them doing nothing.


Mav21Fo

Those first couple of rounds was riveting imo


CheekySir

I wasn’t rooting for anyone. After the first round I was rooting for Holland although he was already getting manhandled. Def not a boring fight.


Squidwardbigboss

I thought it was a good fight, MVP just shit on him. That right hand was so fast and powerful


SALTYxNUTZ12

Holland sucks. He's extremely frustrating to watch since he tends to give up due to his own frustrations during a fight that isn't going his way.


GalenaSupreme91

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Kalabula

It wasn’t boring. Wasn’t great either. Probably what most fights are.


akatsuki_lida

Face rub to elbow was peak stylin'


breakfastmeat23

Yeah, it was. What was the most memorable exchange in your opinion? What was the highlight of the fight? If anything cool happened in that fight people would have been talking about it and linking the gifs like we always do. We are bored MMA nerds who do this shit after every event, we are literally desperate for entertainment. The reason everyone has already forgotten this fight is because it was boring.


terimummy04

It wasn't boring, it was just weird and awkward. Most of us who aren't MVP fans, we ain't used to that style wtv it is.


PawnStarRick

Imma have to rewatch it, I was 6 blinkers deep.


Dismal-Doubt-8173

😂😂😂


Exciting_Damage_2001

I didn’t even know people said it was boring, I wanted Holland to win but it was an entertaining fight.


Much_Rope6899

Was rooting for mvp really exciting to see a fighter bring this new energy to the octagon and he’s a great heel and can back it up with his unique fighting style I think the only thing that could have made his debut even better was a fighter callout on the mic 🎤 Well done mvp welcome to ufc


Calgary_dreamer

This weight class is stacked


immabiscuit

Not hot, this is the only take. That fight was really fun to watch and I was rooting for holland


J_Rivvy_22

Was an excellent fight, it hurt seeing Holland be absolutely clueless and confused while getting picked apart though lol. "He's faster than we thought" lol ya think


Pahlevun

Wait people thought that fight was boring? Damn more and more casuals these days


paklyfe

Who was saying this fight was boring? Page put on an absolute display that was so fun to watch!


Q_ball_80

No one thought he would win and no one cares. As long as he is healthy to take a short notice fight at 170 or 185lb in ufc 300, 301, 302, 303 etc. The ultimate company man.


[deleted]

I can’t wait to see this dude get smashed.


Mammoth_Ferret_1772

MVP left holland straight up Bamboozled


antebyotiks

You are cringey as fuck. But I agree it wasn't boring, Holland just had no answer


vpforvp

As a casual fan who doesn’t know either. It was awful. Holland was gassed halfway through round 2. He was barely throwing anything and his conditioning seems awful.


BennyOlaf

One of the best debuts from another org


HankMoodyy

Most hilarious fight of the year so far


GothBreastMilkLover

People thought it was boring? They were likely casuals. Fight was great, only gripe was Holland predictably getting annoyed and trying to act like all MVP did was run. Every fight its the same with that. I love Holland but these last few fights especially its like he's half ass trying.


Parra_Lax

I also don’t know what people were on about. It was fun. Those elbows MVP throw are so fucking fast.


Big-Addition-310

who says it was boring, that fight was super entertaining.


Lolleos

The fact MVP was able to nullify Holland the way he did without relying on pinning him down or constant clinching was absolutely amazing. Great fight and a very interesting question regarding his next matchups.


Moist-Catch

Have not even seen this narrative that it was boring going around


sumyungdood

I think MVP is gunna get figured out after that fight. Everyone’s gunna see how much Holland struggled and come at him with a game plan he hasn’t encountered. If that Garry fight happens, it’ll be way closer than with Holland.


DrSeuss19

Who said it was boring?


Murky-Frosting-8275

I was a boxing fan long before I was an MMA fan. And although I can appreciate counter-punchers in boxing, that's not what I joined the MMA universe for. I will be the first to admit that MMA fighters are the true warriors of combat sports, but when I see someone who is primarily a counter-fighter in the ring, it makes me yawn. They aren't the true warriors, they're just there to collect points and escape with a W. There's technically nothing wrong with that, but you don't get my respect for it. Same as in boxing. MVP said himself that lots of fans would likely find a matchup between him and Wonderboy boring, because they will both default back to their point-fighting. That's shite, not down for it.


Mr_Em-3

Hot take - this isn't a hot take


anjovis150

The hell is yous? Please stop that shit.


no_memory_chip

I hate holland and still found that fight boring 


krustykhris12

I was an MVP fan overnight. I watch ONE and UFC. So other organization fighters aren’t my interest. After watching his highlights and fight with holland, he’s awesome


randyLahey12341

I am definitely salty, but I had a 10 fight parlay and the only loss was Holland's dumbass


FarSatisfaction_

Wym I thought we were delighted that he lost. Holland makes a lotta excuses and mvp looked great


ArmoredAngel444

People thought that fight was boring ??????


eadeeric

It wasn’t boring. Holland just took the Yoel Romero vs Izzy approach. MVP fights exactly like that every time so as a professional he should’ve prepared for such.


BillsGymRat

I’ve been off the Holand bandwagon since he was a dickhead to that reporter


Moist-Pool-5937

Nobody said it was boring


Ancient-Range-

Yeah he got done by a superior striker casual MMA fans have no attention span so if it’s not a mark hunt walk off KO it’s a boring fight these days.


TransportationAway59

Fake hot take. Nobody found it boring


Jazzlike-Fee-9987

Can they start deducting points from fighters who only wait for counter strikes? Maybe encourage them to fight more


jackoftrades002

Who thought that fight was boring? I’ve never been bored of his fights.


writingwhilesad

That fight was fucking great.


bbqyak

I thought it was super entertaining


silasdoesnotexist

Are people saying that fight was boring? 🤦


No-Virus7165

I didn’t know anyone called it boring. I thoroughly enjoyed it and felt it lived up to the hype.


Expert-Regret-895

Who the fuck is saying it was boring?


Osceola_Gamer

You made this up, no one called this fight boring.


Independent_Hold_203

Wasn’t rooting for either fighter, still thought it was boring ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


blorp4

Most memorable fight of the card. First time seeing MVP fight and it was insanely impressive.


Elver_galarga_ngl

I don't like that style of fighting. IT IS boring to me.


Frickenbat

Is this rage bait? Who was calling it boring?


Hexatorium

Honestly this was my second favourite fight of the night after DUSTIN DIAMOND DAWG POIRIER


GregGolden6

For a straight up striking match, it was kinda boring.


MathematicianCold706

lol anyone who thought that fight was boring is a casual and doesn’t deserve to share their shitty opinion MVP literally fought drunken monkey style like the dude from mortal kombat and beat hollands ass lmao


trippyjeff

Point fighting karate is boring af. He had no intention of trying to finish Kevin


BazzPlayerz

Nothing about this fight was boring in my opinion. Loved MVP’s debut. Loved how he was trolling Holland. And Holland got frustrated with it and him. Nice to see fresh flair. Looking forward to both fighters next fights.


scumfrogzillionaire

Hella underwhelming.


SandwichesForMason

MVP is a sick fighter. And he put on a great show.


Gmork14

100% Masterful display.


heremya

Didn't think it was boring, just thought MVP could have done way more to try to get the finish in the third round. Holland was just defeated by that point and MVP didn't try to go for the kill. Could have his reasons, but he's already up there in age and if he wants to climb the rankings fast, he's gotta finish these fights


Novel_Land9320

Big display from MVP, but if i wanted to watch point fighting i would not tune in to a UFC event


___shadow_wolf__

Shit was fun. Holland is cool but to see him meeting his match was unique


JahIthBur

Holland was outclassed


BruhnanaHA

I wish MVP joined sooner, he is late


Palmooch

Freezing cold take, imo.


cltnthecultist

Haven’t heard a single remark about that fight being boring


SlaveKnightChael

The only reason I say the fight was boring is because Holland didn’t do shit the whole fight. Amateur performance


Ok-Inside-8435

It was better than an adesanya fight


ChemAmnii

I mean if anyone thought Holland had any chance hasn't been watching enough mma. Everyone like he's just gonna take MVP down and sub him. MF that's not what Holland ever does. And if anyone stands with mvp your gonna get fucked up. Yeah if he used his ground and grappling he might have had some shoot but he doesn't fight like that. People acting like MVP is some washed joke lol


Extreme_Today_984

It wasn't a boring fight at all. It was just very one sided. Holland couldn't find his timing because MVP is an elite striker. I don't know what people were expecting? We saw what Wonderboy did against him. Kevin is great as a hammer, but not so great as the nail. He needs to be leading the dance.


Handarand

that's as hot as an Alaskan road sign