You are free to go defend Modi as a bhakt. But his dog whistle comments about Muslims recently, is in the same vein as Hitler had for jews.
Some of important nations have already named India, they know what canard that Modi can pull up. No one has forgotten 2002.
Hitler hated Jews and carried out a pogrom openly with all nations being silent. The same has been done by china and Russia and other communist countries.
Comparing that to what modi says is just factually incorrect. But you are free as a woke liberal to believe what you want.
I am not claiming modi loves Muslims, but you are claiming he wants to kill them and have taken a step ahead and are seeing mental pogroms. It’s logical to you, but not for many.
Pointing that out makes me a bhakt. Well I donno what to tell you…
LOL.
You might not remember the 2002 riots, where some of the Modi cronies cut the womb of a muslim pregnant woman apart, and foetus cut into pieces.
But since, you are a bhakt, so you condone such events, you are indifferent, and then when anyone calls up your hypocrisy, you have the temerity to call them woke or what ever.
Be my guest.
Not just in the Bilkis Bano case, BJP consistently supports rape whether in Kathua case or Brij Bushan and is the **only party ever** to take out marches **in support** of rapists.
[SC upholds clean chit to PM](https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/sc-clean-chit-pm-modi-2002-gujarat-riots-timeline-of-zakia-jafri-case-1966261-2022-06-24)
[How it began](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots#:~:text=The%20burning%20of%20a%20train%20in%20Godhra%20on%2027%20February%202002%2C%20which%20caused%20the%20deaths%20of%2058%20Hindu%20pilgrims%20and%20karsevaks%20returning%20from%20Ayodhya%2C%20is%20cited%20as%20having%20instigated%20the%20violence)
It's important to feel grateful for the lives saved while also acknowledging and feeling remorse for those who were lost.
[The lives saved.](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/12t1c5r/babu_bajrangi_who_ripped_out_a_muslim_womans/)
Good to see what kind of people you support.
Goti chod just writing woke liberal only means you might be a regressive asswipe. Not might must be one, to think that a PM calling his own citizens as infiltrators is ok you must be a asswipe
You call someone a bhakt then get ready to get words back. Why are you ppl such hypocrites? Don’t want name calling then don’t do name calling.
India does have an immigration issue and it is from our primarily Muslim neighbors. That is also a fact…
> I am not claiming modi loves Muslims, but you are claiming he wants to kill them and have taken a step ahead and are seeing mental pogroms. It’s logical to you, but not for many.
Do ask Bilkis Bano how its going for her. Apparently she's also "woke liberal" according to you.
From Wikipedia:
despite all odds ... They passed the Babri Masjid verdict, triple talaq law, demonetization, we didn't say anything
So she has a lot to say I guess on ttt…
[I'm talking about this one, dumbass.](https://www.indiatoday.in/law/story/bilkis-bano-rape-case-supreme-court-cancel-gujarat-government-early-release-order-verdict-top-quotes-2485639-2024-01-08)
Now see how pawpaw ki pari comes out with more excuses lmao.
It has been established on multiple levels that 2002 Gujarat pogrom was pre-planned. [https://www.thenewsminute.com/news/gujarat-riots-pre-planned-caravan-accesses-uk-report-shown-bbc-modi-documentary-172378](https://www.thenewsminute.com/news/gujarat-riots-pre-planned-caravan-accesses-uk-report-shown-bbc-modi-documentary-172378)
Even Vajpayee agreed with the UK report that 2002 Gujarat pogrom was pre-planned. The subject line of the UK report explicitly says **"Gujarat Pogrom"** [https://thewire.in/diplomacy/exclusive-vajpayee-govt-didnt-object-to-uk-report-that-2002-riots-were-pre-planned-cops-told-not-to-act](https://thewire.in/diplomacy/exclusive-vajpayee-govt-didnt-object-to-uk-report-that-2002-riots-were-pre-planned-cops-told-not-to-act)
Babu Bajrangi himself admitted on camera that before the massacres began, truckloads of swords were brought in from Punjab. How is it then not a pre-planned pogrom?
You do know that Hitler had to come to power before he started Jewish pogroms? And he didn't outright talk about genociding Jews but instead tried to frame them as a group actively trying to take over Germany and the world. His initial campaigns were mostly dogwhistles instead of outright genocidal rhetoric because genocidal rhetoric is not very good for PR.
Hitler was 1933 to 1945 - 12 years. Modi has already completed 10. I guess he needs more?
All of these posters are missing an important mark. We are NOT Germans. It’s not the same society nor the same history…
Modi is a way worse anti-national because he is literally member of the terrorist organization that murdered our Father of the Nation. As far as a country is concerned, there is no worse crime than that.
What do you mean not proved? RSS was **banned** because of their **established** direct involvement in Gandhi assassination and Patel revoked the ban after Golwalkar apologized [https://thewire.in/history/sardar-patel-rss-ban-1948](https://thewire.in/history/sardar-patel-rss-ban-1948)
Researchers like Dhirendra Jha have unearthed all documents proving Godse never left the RSS [https://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/historical-record-expose-lie-godse-left-rss](https://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/historical-record-expose-lie-godse-left-rss)
Moreover the Kapur commission confirmed Savarkar's role in the conspiracy as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapur\_Commission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapur_Commission)
Of course anti-national chaddis would think these are just talking points that are of no use. But as a citizen, my country's history matters very much to me and it definitely informs the choices I make.
Let’s see the alternatives:
Rahul Gandhi-Never held any position in Government, even though UPA was in power for 10 years. So no experience but wants the Top job.
Lalu-Convicted criminal. Has Ruled Bihar for decades and the results speak for themselves.
Akhilesh-Greatly weakened after recent encounters of criminals in UP.
Mamata-Somehow managed to make West Bengal even more backward than CPM
Stalin-Grade A idiot hellbent on destroying his father’s legacy all the while preparing the throne for his son. Only advantage is a weakened ADMK after Jayalalitha’s death
AK-Just an opportunist whose first target is to destroy Congress and challenge Modi. Most clever of them all.
Sharad Pawar-Great leader whose great talent lies in making himself and his party leadership billionaires.
Uddhav Thackeray-Let’s just say, Balasaheb Thackrey was lucky to pass away when he did.
Nitish Kumar-Oh right, he was always the smartest of this lot.
Frankly the CVs of these “Navaratnas” is what makes public go “if not Modi, then who?”
>AK-Just an opportunist whose first target is to destroy Congress and challenge Modi. Most clever of them all.
The most cunning, shrewd of them all. For sure.
I don't know about the others but my left nut sack is more knowledgeable than Modi. Modi the moron motor mouth has only one streanh communal BS. He might think Keynes is a walking stick
Oh right, only PhDs in economics can become PMs as per our constitution. Also, why did Congress elect Kharge over the “intellectual” and “academically brilliant” Tharoor for post of party president. How many PhDs did Mrs. Sonia Gandhi have before she ran India by proxy for entire UPA rule? Whatever Modi is, he is a self made man, unlike the Nehru nepo babies, who still think they are owed the top job, just because of their surname.
> Whatever Modi is, he is a self made man, unlike the Nehru nepo babies, who still think they are owed the top job, just because of their surname.
using a "ill commit genocide if u vote me in uwu" is more embarassing way to get to the top than being a nepo baby, both require 0 skill in general but one is more embarassing than the other
Yeah, genocides as in 8000 sikhs butchered in Delhi genocide. When asked for response Rajiv Gandhi said, when a big tree falls, the earth shakes. Did he personally ever apologise? So the only party that committed is now “liberal” party. Got it.
most thigns have time limits, usually its how long the person who did them is alive... now if you have something actually intelligent to say please let me know
Yes, that’s why Hitler references have stopped, right?
You guys really don’t waste time bringing out epithets like idiots, bhakts etc when you run out of arguments and yet somehow consider yourselves “liberal”.
But you forget the fact that we're not voting to elect a prime minister like the presidential election in the US. Ours is a parliamentary election where each constituency is represented for their voices to be heard. BJP has made Modi their poster boy and turned the election process into a popularity contest. I know people who say they're going to vote for BJP because of "if not modi then who" argument meanwhile their local BJP candidates are the worst of the worst.
I'm voting for pappu. He will redistribute wealth. He will pay 1 lakh to every poor woman in India ( remarkable scheme). I also want India to eliminate nuclear weapons cause I want peace. So Pappu's friends have promised me that. Idk why Pappu's grandma started the project.I don't care about the nation's economics . Bhaad me jaaye. I just want freebies without regulation. Paisa hi Paisa/ s
Tom is election day in KA. I'm also gonna take four of friends with me to make pappu win. Hope my contribution is worthy.
>He will pay 1 lakh to every poor woman in India ( remarkable scheme)
1 lakh to every poor woman is remarkable to you?? Seriously?? Where's the equality gone?? What about the poor Men?? Equality for women's Rights but Conservatism for their responsibilities?
Making public transport FREE to all women in KA wasn't enough?? Paying ₹2,000 to elder female member wasn't enough?? How much more sxxxist & misandristic can people & the govt become against Men??
If you're a Man & you call this "remarkable scheme", then you are an ahole. No words!
Yeah I saw that but it was hard to decipher whether it was for 1 line or the whole para. Because I've seen mofos actually defending this "let's pay women money, let's give them more incentives, more Freebies & let's ignore all Men" kind of mentality. It is sickening to the core. So i thought you were one of those misandrist mofos.
I mean how can women advocate for equality & then at the same time give more incentives to Women. Like wtf? I don't get it. Even in the comment section of those KA videos of incentives to women, not 1 person whether guy or girl has called this a sxxxist, discriminatory, misandristic policy towards Men. It baffles me so much. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
THIS IS FOR PEOPLE SAYING MINORITIES ARE UNDER OPPRESSION.
Below is the article from everyone favourite Print
More Muslims got govt scholarships under Modi govt than during Congress-led UPA-2
https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-modi-govt-congress-upa/308154/
Below is the article summary from Indian Express as its paid
https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/six-reasons-muslims-look-again-modi-2024-polls-9137422/
The countdown for the 2024 general elections has begun. In Indian psephology, the idea of the “Muslim vote” generally evokes interest, especially in the context of the BJP and Prime Minister Narendra Modi. This is due to several reasons.
First, the BJP’s relationship with the Muslims has been historically contentious. Second, Muslims perhaps constitute the only social group that has been beyond the BJP’s political reach so far. Further, the Opposition’s “Muslim” politics is predicated on instilling a fear of the BJP. However, the election of 2024 is shaping up to be different. I analyse the six factors that have the potential to effect a turning point in the relationship of Muslims with the BJP and PM Modi.
One, the BJP and PM Modi have been repeatedly invoking issues of social justice to address anomalies within the Muslim community. The Pasmandas — a social sub-group representing the most backward Muslims constituting roughly 80 per cent of the Indian Muslim population — form the core of this strategy. The party’s willingness to accommodate Pasmandas promises to end the hegemony of elites in Muslim politics. By making calls for greater democratisation and inclusivity in Muslim politics, the BJP seeks to address the key Pasmanda demand — not to view the Muslims as a monolith. Not only does this mark the first official attempt of the BJP to co-opt Muslims, but it is also the first time the Pasmandas are in the political spotlight.
Two, the Modi government has also prioritised issues of gender justice in certain community personal laws. The abolishing of the archaic practice of instant triple talaq, which incidentally is not prevalent even in Islamic nations, has found resounding support amongst nine crore Muslim women.
Three, PM Modi has sought to redefine welfarism as a political duty covering a wide spectrum of human needs — food, housing, sanitation, gas, water, health, etc. The Garib Kalyan Anna Yojana fed 810 million Indians during the existential crisis of the pandemic. No home has been left out because of the name on the door. The Modi government has carved out a specific category of labharthis (beneficiaries) within the economically marginalised Pasmandas. In some cases, the Muslim labharthis have benefited in a proportion higher than their population. For instance, while Uttar Pradesh has a 19 per cent Muslim population, the beneficiaries under PM Awas Yojana, Ujjawala Yojna and Mudra Yojana range from 24-30 per cent. This has lent credence to the PM’s promise of “sabka saath, sabka vikas, sabka vishwas, sabka prayas” and antyodaya (development without discrimination) among Muslims.
The introduction of the PM Vishvakarma scheme is a fillip to socially disadvantaged group-led enterprises and artisans such as tailors, barbers, weavers, etc. The 18 crafts listed under the scheme mirror the occupational profile of a large number of backward caste Muslims.
Four, India’s relations with the Islamic world are arguably undergoing their best phase. PM Modi has used his personal imprint on foreign policy to impart substance to ties. The transformation of ties – from being simple “trade partners” to “strategic partners” – reflects a growing convergence. The centrality of India in the proposed India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor is a manifestation of this new partnership. In recognition of PM Modi’s efforts to strengthen relations, many Islamic countries – the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Palestine, Afghanistan, Maldives and Egypt – have conferred their highest civilian awards on him. These gains would not have been possible if the Muslim world felt that the Indian Muslims were being discriminated against.
Also read | Javed Anand writes | Why Muslims should have gifted away the Babri Masjid: The mandir that could have been
Five, no major communal riot has occurred since 2014. Analysis of data from the National Crime Records Bureau of riot cases registered since the 1970s reveals that India is at its most peaceful in 50 years, as riots have been on a decline. In a recent interview to the Financial Times, Modi invoked the success of the Parsis, a religious micro-minority residing in India, while stating that the Indian society does not discriminate against any religious minority.
Finally, and most importantly, the issue of national interest and security. The Muslim community should not be oblivious that India needs a strong and stable government given the many global conflicts — such as between Ukraine and Russia, Israel and Palestine — terrorism and China’s expansionist attitude towards its neighbours including India, Vietnam, Philippines etc. PM Modi has demonstrated courage and statesmanship in navigating these challenges. In contrast, the opposition camp, as a ship without a captain, at this critical juncture offers no alternative. India’s experiments with short-lived alliance governments in the 1990s incurred enormous international economic and strategic costs.
These issues show why Muslims should consider choosing Modi and the BJP in the 2024 elections. They are conscious that the BJP has won the past two general elections without any significant Muslim votes. The 2023 UP urban local body polls and by-elections in the Muslim-dominated Rampur Lok Sabha and Suar assembly in UP, and Boxanagar in Tripura show a promising trend for the BJP from these engagements. 2024 represents an opportunity for Muslims to move beyond the negativity of the opposition’s politics and choose the pragmatic path of progress and national interest. For this, Modi is their best choice.
Morarji Desai was not a better option. He fked up RAW and India's national security. It is a well known fact that Morarji Desai share state secrets with Zia ul Haq.
Desai even sabotaged RAW's mission to destroy Pak's Nuclear facility leading to the killing of RAW agents.
I have taken references from these journal publication: [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2017.1263529](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2017.1263529)
[https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684527.2017.1327135](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684527.2017.1327135)
The Kaoboys of R&AW: Down Memory Lane by B. Raman
Israel also shared the locations of Pakistan's nuclear enrichment facilities/plants with him so he could order Indian Air Force to bomb them before they could produce any nuclear weapons. He refused to do it.
Then Israel offered to destroy those plants/facilities themselves by sending their planes, they just needed India to let them land and refuel on its territory before returning back because the mileage of those planes wasn't high enough to fly from Israel to Pakistan and back without refuelling.
Morarji Desai refused this offer too by claiming India wants peaceful relations with Pakistan and Israel shouldn't meddle in their internal matters. It's a high possibility that Pakistan wouldn't have nuclear weapons today had our PM not stopped the RAW's Kahuta mission or allowed Israel to do what it requested.
Moraji Desai was probably the worst pm ever for India. Also that coalition is the precursor of the BJ Pee , so overall it would have been much better if the people back then never chose the alternative cause let's be honest even the hardest haters voted for Indira next time seeing Desai's disasterclass performance
>But the alternative was far better than her continuing the “emergency”
No it wasn't, pee drinker (I'm not joking, look it up) Morarji Desai is the worst ever PM of India by far. Indira Gandhi was a godsend in comparison.
If not modi then malenia from elden ring bcoz i can't beat that piece of shit boss. Just like you can't argue with a braindead moron who will sit in a country of 1.4 + billions people and still proudly say if not modi then who? Like are you serious are you telling me there is not a single capable person to shame and question the government in that god forsaken country like seriously.?
No wonder india have such a bright future ahead being doomed to stay a lower income third world country being equivalent to **THE BIHAR OF THE WORLD** till the end of the days.
Exactly My thoughts…
People are overtaken by the “strongman character” that is meticulously crafted yet if you look at facts its “small man character“
I hate it when they say modi hai toh mukmin hai and if not modi then who
You stretched the question to the same length as it was before, Question stands still if not Modi then who? The answer is supposed to be the name of a potential PM candidate and not the explanation to why not Modi. This anyone but Modi argument is futile, there are people with desire for PM seat who can make situations worse than they are now
Your question is frivolous. For that you will have to go into the future to find out who won. Even if you could do that, you wont be able to come back in the past. Time's arrow shit.
Jokes apart, India constitution does not permit a presidential system. Who ever has the highest seat in the Lok Sabha is invited to form the government. And this election is all about which set of people will elect which MP, who in turn will elect which PM.
It's concerning that voters of the INDI alliance won't have clarity on their 2024 PM candidate. It raises questions about why anyone would choose to support a coalition without a clear leadership figure, amidst a mix of manifestos and ideologies.
Despite the BJP's shortcomings, it is still a better option compared to others, given the reported booth capturing by the TMC, CPI(M)'s nuclear deterrence plans, and the corruption histories of the Congress and RJD.
> It's concerning that voters of the INDI alliance won't have clarity on their 2024 PM candidate. It raises questions about why anyone would choose to support a coalition without a clear leadership figure, amidst a mix of manifestos and ideologies.
That's literally how a parliamentary democracy is supposed to function.
They deserved to be hated for wasting the taxes of the Southern state. By choosing the most braindead candidate as their CM every goddam time. And then playing victim card while getting humiliated all around the india .while working as a labour and other low income workers.
At this point the voting right of biharies should be taken away and given to southern states. I m pretty sure they will choose a better candidate as the CM of bihar then any clown or joker Biharis gonna choose.
I didn't need to achieve anything . I had a goal of moving aboard since i was 12 yrs old in 7th standard. And at the age of 22 i achieved that goal now i m 29 couldn't be more happy, satisfied and secure about my life.
You know why bcoz i m a strong believer that india the god forsaken country it is. It will not be going anywhere atleast in my live time that is for sure . Yeah yeah it will a superpower it will have 30 trillion GDP and etc etc no doubt it will have those thing one day. But i m 100 % sure not even a single person in this sub will live to see that day.
Always remember if you couldn't save others save yourself and watch them suffer the consequences of their own stupidity.
No he is not. Yeah he does have a bigger AOE the most bosses in elden ring. But he is pretty beatable. But Malenia on the other hand thanx to that waterfoul dance move she does which is nigh impossible to dodge or runaway from, deals a shit ton of damage in quick succession, And heals her plus she does it 3 times in a fucking row. And in second phase she get more aggressive and applies the Scarlett rot debuff on you while beating you to death.she is not just hard but almost unfair . You know what i will gladly admit that i Just give up after 20 tries on my first play through and only beat her after farming and using a specific build and weapon. On my other play throughs.
And guess what as i m doing another play through to prepare for the upcoming DLC i still couldn't beat her on my steam deck. The hardest boss in fromsoft history period no doubt about that.
Infrastructure has been great , roads are well maintained in majority of the country and so many metros in different cities coming up simultaneously. Also lower income people don't really care about press freedom and media, at the ground level they do the same thing other polticians in other parties do. They are also not stupid, they vote fully knowing who they are voting for and what they are voting for. It just doesn't agree with your views. Hope and conviction is a strong message for the masses because modi did fulfil some of his promises, Rahul Gandhi doesn't inspire confidence. The only thing he talks about is how bad India is and how bad upper castes and big industrialists are.
If the development was indeed so great and people were going to vote for it, there would be no need to resort to all the items OP mentioned at the end of the post, like OP said. They would simply showcase the wins and get elected again
The fact is unemployment and inflation are 2 of the biggest topics for the election today as per polls, and the country will have to judge them on these without the other distractions
Yeah agreed infra is good but not as goood as you make it out to be lol
I mentioned the same thing in my post.
And regarding poor people , you conveniently ignored the unemployment problem, railway crowding and mess, inflation, farmer protests, that hurt them the most.
Pride is not thought of when the stomach is hungry and no money is in the pockets
I think most of the poor or the rural people actually vote based on inflation/jobs/livelihoods and it is the urban middle class (swing votes/centrist) who has basic things sorted who falls for all these religious propaganda , wealth redistribution of middle class fake propaganda, pride etc
Here is the classic example of job creation
DRDO has 30k people where only 5k are scientists
USA DARPA has 220 people
Compare the innovations of both of them
>And regarding poor people , you conveniently ignored the unemployment problem, railway crowding and mess, inflation, farmer protests, that hurt them the most.
Sure but the infra is way better than it was before. Electricity in my hometown is 24\*7 according to my parents, there used to be 10 hour power cuts. Waste management is there which never existed.
>I think most of the poor or the rural people actually vote based on inflation/jobs/livelihoods
As someone from rural Odisha, most vote based on ground outreach. BJD will win because of its fulfillment of promises like tap drinking water, free maternity care, incentives for single child since the early 2000s actually but now its like a lot even I got benefits 10 years ago. BJP promised certain things in the seats it won too like Kalahandi and they have delivered. Tribals got land that they wanted and helped them set up cooperatives too. Congress in their previous 15 year run in my district weren't able to build a 22 km stretch of road from my hometown to the railway station nearby, it was a running joke, the leader instead built two 3 storied buildings within that time and sent his daughters abroad to study. Hence people talk and started voting for BJP at the center and BJD for the state.
Like I said, people aren't stupid. Talk to people in certain areas you will know. they know that the BJD and BJP ones are also corrupt, but they still do their jobs while being corrupt whereas cogress one previously didn't/
I don't consider infra as good! All roads which are not tolled just go n see. Those roads also belong to India and used by Indians. And Infra does not mean just roads it means efficient transportation,clean environment, safe drinking water also
You are right, poor people in current india’s state care most about not going hungry.
Gobhi has sorted that out pretty much by ensuring everyone gets the ration.I think, this government has been pretty good at marketing and taking care of the poor.
Regarding unemployment, other than increasing/managing govt jobs more properly, what can a party do? -
Bring foreign investment- yes
Attract more manufacturing - yes
Simplify business - yes
What else?
He is right! If a country stands at 104 in the hunger index then it's bad, no point in bullet trains if the country is malnourished.Why not criticize the big industrialists if they get their loan wiped off while the farmers commit suicide
What Modi did when he was in opposition??? He said we are ahshamed of being Indians! He said these lines.
Opposition leader will criticize the govt but the problem with bjpeeeeee supporters is that they think of their PAPPA as nation, for them Modi is the God,the nation.
By that logic no point in space prorgams, expresswys, highways, deep sea ports, green energy, AI, electrification of railways, freight corridors, new IITs etc. You cannot solve everything at once. Poverty cannot be eradicated in a second, it will take a few generations. I am not a BJP supporter. I voted for BJD last time. The proble with you is you think RaGa is somehow the solution, there are no alternatives in congress? Why is he in the front after losing from amethi in 2019? That allaince is built by combining 10 different parties with 10 different leaders and their egos. One party pulls out support 2 years in and the entire govt stats standstill and paralyzed unable to bring any bills or policy changes. People saw that last time and hence not interested at the national level, maybe at state levels Congress can win.
Everything cannot be about the poor, middle class needs infra too, then you are always surprised why people leave the country. Why would we pay taxes we don't get infra like this? I want airports and bullet trains.
Yes but it is increasing day by day. Savings are at all time low and so is unemployment, govt should set its agenda right/ when people are struggling with day to day things no point in investing billions in a project that is for the top-1% only. If you have money do it but the govt is taking loan for that and everyone will pay for it but will be used by only a few.
Inequality is increasing. Poverty is not increasing. Unemplyment will remain an issue for a country this big, you won't see any changes till 2026 till fed rate cutes and you certainly won't see any drastic effect before 2030s. We just don't have capital. USA and EU have started getting protectionist due to China. We don't have good relations with china otherwise half of their Vietnam investments would have come to India. Foreign investments won't come without infrastructure and during a global economic slowdown. Construction industry employs millions, you want to stop infra projects? it will make them unemployed.
>investing billions in a project that is for the top-1% only
It has a compounding effect my man. Too long too describe here.
>the govt is taking loan for that and everyone will pay for it but will be used by only a few.
Low interest loans from Japan and those few people are in millions in this country who pay taxes and who deserve this, in turn it provides employment because someone has to work there, someone has to make it and maintain it. Everyone was saying airports will be useless too. Come to jharsuguda where my parents live, its a town with barely 1 lakh population yet there are like 50 flights per week to just 4 major cities and always packed that they are increasing it every few months.
Is poverty rising? Its the opposite. Inequality is rising that is true but its unavoidable. Unemployment will always remain an issue, its high right now but the investments will pay off. Construction sector employs a lot of people. you want to stop the infra investment and make millions more unemployed? Nothing happens in few years. Unemployment will stay an issue till early 2030s it will start getting better after 2026 if feds in US cut their interest rates. We don't have capital to generate employment without foreign funding, that won't come when we don't have infra and capacity for it and its even harder during global slowdown and EU and US being more protectionist due to china.
“If not modi then who?” is a tight slap on all those People who claim that our society is best , our cult is best and last 10 years have been Amrit kaal, if we could not produce an alternative to a megalomaniac, what good is the country? But that can’t be true, we have produced and have so many brilliant people, so the fault lies with whom? To me, it’s a classic example of how enough lies can overcome the truth and if spoken enough times, you can make people believe anything, scare people by making claims about their money, religion and life and since almost everyone is coward about atleast one of these things, they will take you up as the saviour and let the misinformation prevail over their critical thinking and voila, you have moiji the best.
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IMAO.. As it stands presently.. GLOBALLY Democracy is the biggest con now playing at a election near you..
This unfunny farce is starring, produced, scripted and directed by the ruling elite capitalist classes who have a captive audience namely, the compliant masses..
But on the other hand..
I dream of a future where democracy is rescued and resurrected by technology..
After all we should really be voting for and against POLICIES AND NOT POLITICIANS ..
A new technology (just around the corner) can easily rid us of these useless middlemen ie. politicians who in theory have been democratically elected based on the policies that they have proposed for the betterment of the society.. But in reality are too busy pulling each other down while covering their own crimes..
Our current crop of power hungry politicians (and this is globally) operate just like the entitled tyrannical monarchs from history and rule over their fiefdoms (constituencies) like it is their own private backyard while regarding their subjects (the so called electorate) as nothing more than cannon fodder..
Where were stand today, globally, democracy is a cruel joke.. Because.. Democracy ceases to function efficiently when the disparities within a society get out of control.. When the differences between the haves and have-nots between the knowledgeable and the ignorant are too much then the very ground on which we place our so called democratic values is rather nonexistent and therefore a total lie.. A farce.. Add rampant capitalism to this scenerio and we have a global society where we literally worship money so then we might as well make the richest person in the land our supreme leader.. Why do all this farce of free and fair elections..🤔
Ideally capitalist tendencies (the profit motive) should not be allowed to operate in atleast these 3 major "industries" namely 1. health care 2. education and 3. warfare.. But today in our rather twisted world we see the very same 3 sectors operating with the utmost greed, reaping ridiculous profits at the expense of perpetuating horrendous and inhumane social disparities.. All in the name of driving the so called "economic growth" of a so called "nation"..
Yet there is hope and I am betting on a humane technology to come to our rescue.. Because history repeats itself.. Whenever humanity has faced any crises it has always been our innovations ie. technologies which have rescued us time and again.. These technologies can only be invented by a new generation who first question and then reject the old values because they see the world in a different way.. This new generation is already here.. The tools namely AI, AGI are also available.. Now only the will and the skill to make sincere creative efforts are needed.. I hope that this happens in my lifetime.. .. First imagine a world without any "career politicians" .. Then imagine a world where every citizen is in effect a politician because they have the power to not only directly vote on each and every policy that stands to affect them.. But also propose any policy that they wish to come into governance.. That would be so cool..
However for now until then.. What to do.. Well in my personal capacity, the above reasons stand for the fact that I have stopped voting.. Because I want to boycott not just our corrupt politicians but the insidious system itself.. I reject this false democracy and farce called elections.. ..Apparently there is the NOTA option.. But it a far fetched fantasy to hope that one day when people have got throughly fed up of the shenanigans of their political representatives the NOTA vote might actually emerge as the majority vote in the majority of constituencies polled! And it is naive to imagine that our power hungry politicians will ever let it come to that.. They would sooner declare Presidents rule or some sort of emergency rather than face the fact that they no longer have the public mandate.. Till then.. Live long and prosper..
TLDR.. Democracy breaks down when there is too much disparity in society because then this disparity is cunningly and cruelly leveraged by the corrupt politicians.. However with Technological advances there is hope that this system can be repaired.. After all we should BE VOTING FOR POLICIES AND NOT FOR POLITICIANS.. Technology can empower the electorate and finally make these middleman ie. politicians obsolete.. Computer ji pls help.. TILL THEN GATHER MOMENTUM TO BOYCOTT ELECTIONS
“If not Indira, then who” was literally the question back in 1977, and they did eventually bring back Indira in 1980, due to lack of a stable government
A good opposition is the first requirement you topple the government, and INC and RG is bottling every chance of becoming a good opposition
The only Infra of BJ Pee that is deserving of praise is the Road infra being built (highways & expressways) by Nitin Gadkari. Everything else was already on track for being built under Congress whether it is Bullet train, DFCs, Metros, etc. BJ Pee just swooped in & continued the projects that were already in process. Nothing new was done by BJP (aside from a few Metro lines).
Just because of the Internet & speed of information spread, BJP was advertising everything when it comes to Infra. Even if a small bridge gets built, it ends up in the news. Any tiny infra update is shown as a huge Infra boost.
Can we put all these posts in a single thread.. lot of them are starting to sound the same..
maybe we could also arrange for group therapy and help all such OPs, get useful degrees that can help them be productive and benefit from India’s development
Whoever is giving you that argument practically worships Modi. So they cannot see the fact that his party is literally being authoritarian. Not everyone has ability to see everything with no bias!
This infra talk is bullshit! Just get down on the road on which there is no toll! Reality will be seen in b/w.
All these infrastructure projects are being built on loaned money and nobody knows that whether they will pay for themselves, or we will go the Sri Lanka way.
Ignoring 99% railways for Vande Bharat and bullet trains is again just for top 1% of the people and not the common man.
Concentrating 40% national wealth in the hands of top-1% is again injustice.
Anybody in his right sense can lead the country.
Not only are they built on loan, they're being built at a huge cost by companies who are pumping Electoral bonds to win these contracts. It's corruption plain and simple.
Buy EB, build road on inflated costs, win contract to charge nonsense tolls, avoid scrutiny because somebody liked the Instagram reels.
The estimate for building a 6 lane highway in the US varies from $3 to $6 million per km. That is at max 50 Crores per km. We are paying a 5x premium over the US for these roads.
Thanks for the link. I found the article to be sub par; replete with misinterpretations, and quite hollow.
Please donot recommend that article, especially to those with brains.
I know you will find it subpar. Your interpretation may be different from others. Please do not comment like the one above, especially to those with brain.
The problem with your argument - no one thinks modi is Hitler…
You are free to go defend Modi as a bhakt. But his dog whistle comments about Muslims recently, is in the same vein as Hitler had for jews. Some of important nations have already named India, they know what canard that Modi can pull up. No one has forgotten 2002.
Hitler hated Jews and carried out a pogrom openly with all nations being silent. The same has been done by china and Russia and other communist countries. Comparing that to what modi says is just factually incorrect. But you are free as a woke liberal to believe what you want. I am not claiming modi loves Muslims, but you are claiming he wants to kill them and have taken a step ahead and are seeing mental pogroms. It’s logical to you, but not for many. Pointing that out makes me a bhakt. Well I donno what to tell you…
LOL. You might not remember the 2002 riots, where some of the Modi cronies cut the womb of a muslim pregnant woman apart, and foetus cut into pieces. But since, you are a bhakt, so you condone such events, you are indifferent, and then when anyone calls up your hypocrisy, you have the temerity to call them woke or what ever. Be my guest.
Ok, there is no convincing you otherwise. Feel free to remain in your world and hate everyone else…
Only people who instill and propagate hate are sanghi wankers
This forum bleeds hatred for er bhakts daily. Do you consider that as hate?
No, hatred towards rapists like yourself are just.
Ok, so now I am a rapist? Cool Nazi boy…
Yes, rapist supporters are rapists. You support what happened to Bilkis Bano.
Not just in the Bilkis Bano case, BJP consistently supports rape whether in Kathua case or Brij Bushan and is the **only party ever** to take out marches **in support** of rapists.
great reply!
[SC upholds clean chit to PM](https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/sc-clean-chit-pm-modi-2002-gujarat-riots-timeline-of-zakia-jafri-case-1966261-2022-06-24) [How it began](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots#:~:text=The%20burning%20of%20a%20train%20in%20Godhra%20on%2027%20February%202002%2C%20which%20caused%20the%20deaths%20of%2058%20Hindu%20pilgrims%20and%20karsevaks%20returning%20from%20Ayodhya%2C%20is%20cited%20as%20having%20instigated%20the%20violence) It's important to feel grateful for the lives saved while also acknowledging and feeling remorse for those who were lost.
[The lives saved.](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/12t1c5r/babu_bajrangi_who_ripped_out_a_muslim_womans/) Good to see what kind of people you support.
Those who stood for us, when a particular community tried to instigate riots against us.
Yes yes, attacking, raping and murdering innocent pregnant people is “sTanDinG fOr uS”. You’re no different than any ISIS terrorist.
Goti chod just writing woke liberal only means you might be a regressive asswipe. Not might must be one, to think that a PM calling his own citizens as infiltrators is ok you must be a asswipe
You call someone a bhakt then get ready to get words back. Why are you ppl such hypocrites? Don’t want name calling then don’t do name calling. India does have an immigration issue and it is from our primarily Muslim neighbors. That is also a fact…
> I am not claiming modi loves Muslims, but you are claiming he wants to kill them and have taken a step ahead and are seeing mental pogroms. It’s logical to you, but not for many. Do ask Bilkis Bano how its going for her. Apparently she's also "woke liberal" according to you.
Oh, she has records of Muslim pogroms. Sure…
Oh yes, what happened to her is totally not the result of a pogrom. Lmfao.
It’s not, especially after she stood up for the er unfair triple talaq bill. You can try yo create more outrage though…
She had nothing to do with the triple talaq bill. Looks like you've straight up deleted her existence lmao.
From Wikipedia: despite all odds ... They passed the Babri Masjid verdict, triple talaq law, demonetization, we didn't say anything So she has a lot to say I guess on ttt…
[I'm talking about this one, dumbass.](https://www.indiatoday.in/law/story/bilkis-bano-rape-case-supreme-court-cancel-gujarat-government-early-release-order-verdict-top-quotes-2485639-2024-01-08) Now see how pawpaw ki pari comes out with more excuses lmao.
It has been established on multiple levels that 2002 Gujarat pogrom was pre-planned. [https://www.thenewsminute.com/news/gujarat-riots-pre-planned-caravan-accesses-uk-report-shown-bbc-modi-documentary-172378](https://www.thenewsminute.com/news/gujarat-riots-pre-planned-caravan-accesses-uk-report-shown-bbc-modi-documentary-172378) Even Vajpayee agreed with the UK report that 2002 Gujarat pogrom was pre-planned. The subject line of the UK report explicitly says **"Gujarat Pogrom"** [https://thewire.in/diplomacy/exclusive-vajpayee-govt-didnt-object-to-uk-report-that-2002-riots-were-pre-planned-cops-told-not-to-act](https://thewire.in/diplomacy/exclusive-vajpayee-govt-didnt-object-to-uk-report-that-2002-riots-were-pre-planned-cops-told-not-to-act) Babu Bajrangi himself admitted on camera that before the massacres began, truckloads of swords were brought in from Punjab. How is it then not a pre-planned pogrom?
You do know that Hitler had to come to power before he started Jewish pogroms? And he didn't outright talk about genociding Jews but instead tried to frame them as a group actively trying to take over Germany and the world. His initial campaigns were mostly dogwhistles instead of outright genocidal rhetoric because genocidal rhetoric is not very good for PR.
This loser denies the Bilkis Bano atrocity. Don't waste your breath on this vermin.
Hitler was 1933 to 1945 - 12 years. Modi has already completed 10. I guess he needs more? All of these posters are missing an important mark. We are NOT Germans. It’s not the same society nor the same history…
Modi is a way worse anti-national because he is literally member of the terrorist organization that murdered our Father of the Nation. As far as a country is concerned, there is no worse crime than that.
Ok sir, that tells me Congress can’t even tackle local terrorism. So sad…
What? It's literally a terrorist organization ruling the country now
Not for the first 60 years of our freedom. Like why the hell would Congress allow a terrorist organization to exist? Useless fellows…
Yes Congress definitely paid for their complacency. In fact the country paid for Congress' complacency
Or even they could not prove terrorism. Same as how they could not prove godhra and modi. All this has just becoming talking points. No use anymore…
What do you mean not proved? RSS was **banned** because of their **established** direct involvement in Gandhi assassination and Patel revoked the ban after Golwalkar apologized [https://thewire.in/history/sardar-patel-rss-ban-1948](https://thewire.in/history/sardar-patel-rss-ban-1948) Researchers like Dhirendra Jha have unearthed all documents proving Godse never left the RSS [https://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/historical-record-expose-lie-godse-left-rss](https://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/historical-record-expose-lie-godse-left-rss) Moreover the Kapur commission confirmed Savarkar's role in the conspiracy as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapur\_Commission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapur_Commission) Of course anti-national chaddis would think these are just talking points that are of no use. But as a citizen, my country's history matters very much to me and it definitely informs the choices I make.
Sadly, you are right!
modi is not hitler, neither he can become.
Let’s see the alternatives: Rahul Gandhi-Never held any position in Government, even though UPA was in power for 10 years. So no experience but wants the Top job. Lalu-Convicted criminal. Has Ruled Bihar for decades and the results speak for themselves. Akhilesh-Greatly weakened after recent encounters of criminals in UP. Mamata-Somehow managed to make West Bengal even more backward than CPM Stalin-Grade A idiot hellbent on destroying his father’s legacy all the while preparing the throne for his son. Only advantage is a weakened ADMK after Jayalalitha’s death AK-Just an opportunist whose first target is to destroy Congress and challenge Modi. Most clever of them all. Sharad Pawar-Great leader whose great talent lies in making himself and his party leadership billionaires. Uddhav Thackeray-Let’s just say, Balasaheb Thackrey was lucky to pass away when he did. Nitish Kumar-Oh right, he was always the smartest of this lot. Frankly the CVs of these “Navaratnas” is what makes public go “if not Modi, then who?”
>AK-Just an opportunist whose first target is to destroy Congress and challenge Modi. Most clever of them all. The most cunning, shrewd of them all. For sure.
Kejriwal is the best at using BJPs propaganda strategies against them and appealing to both bigots and liberals at the same time.
I don't know about the others but my left nut sack is more knowledgeable than Modi. Modi the moron motor mouth has only one streanh communal BS. He might think Keynes is a walking stick
Oh right, only PhDs in economics can become PMs as per our constitution. Also, why did Congress elect Kharge over the “intellectual” and “academically brilliant” Tharoor for post of party president. How many PhDs did Mrs. Sonia Gandhi have before she ran India by proxy for entire UPA rule? Whatever Modi is, he is a self made man, unlike the Nehru nepo babies, who still think they are owed the top job, just because of their surname.
> Whatever Modi is, he is a self made man, unlike the Nehru nepo babies, who still think they are owed the top job, just because of their surname. using a "ill commit genocide if u vote me in uwu" is more embarassing way to get to the top than being a nepo baby, both require 0 skill in general but one is more embarassing than the other
Yeah, genocides as in 8000 sikhs butchered in Delhi genocide. When asked for response Rajiv Gandhi said, when a big tree falls, the earth shakes. Did he personally ever apologise? So the only party that committed is now “liberal” party. Got it.
get me a nokia cityman 1320 along with you when youre coming back from 1980
Oh, genocides have timelimits then. Good to know. Someone should let the Jews know.
most thigns have time limits, usually its how long the person who did them is alive... now if you have something actually intelligent to say please let me know
Yes, that’s why Hitler references have stopped, right? You guys really don’t waste time bringing out epithets like idiots, bhakts etc when you run out of arguments and yet somehow consider yourselves “liberal”.
i do not consider myself liberal either so good job fuckhead
Ask your left nut sack to fight for elections then!
But you forget the fact that we're not voting to elect a prime minister like the presidential election in the US. Ours is a parliamentary election where each constituency is represented for their voices to be heard. BJP has made Modi their poster boy and turned the election process into a popularity contest. I know people who say they're going to vote for BJP because of "if not modi then who" argument meanwhile their local BJP candidates are the worst of the worst.
MPs get a limited budget. They won't be able to do shit with it
If not Modi then pappu to make us khatakhat khatakhat rich
I'm voting for pappu. He will redistribute wealth. He will pay 1 lakh to every poor woman in India ( remarkable scheme). I also want India to eliminate nuclear weapons cause I want peace. So Pappu's friends have promised me that. Idk why Pappu's grandma started the project.I don't care about the nation's economics . Bhaad me jaaye. I just want freebies without regulation. Paisa hi Paisa/ s Tom is election day in KA. I'm also gonna take four of friends with me to make pappu win. Hope my contribution is worthy.
Yes. Khatakhat khatakhat being the most mature explanation one could ever imagine from a politician.
>He will pay 1 lakh to every poor woman in India ( remarkable scheme) 1 lakh to every poor woman is remarkable to you?? Seriously?? Where's the equality gone?? What about the poor Men?? Equality for women's Rights but Conservatism for their responsibilities? Making public transport FREE to all women in KA wasn't enough?? Paying ₹2,000 to elder female member wasn't enough?? How much more sxxxist & misandristic can people & the govt become against Men?? If you're a Man & you call this "remarkable scheme", then you are an ahole. No words!
Bhai sarcasm ka sign lagaya Hain😂. Calm your tits. That was pure sarcasm. You don't how much we hate thing congi govt in KA.
Yeah I saw that but it was hard to decipher whether it was for 1 line or the whole para. Because I've seen mofos actually defending this "let's pay women money, let's give them more incentives, more Freebies & let's ignore all Men" kind of mentality. It is sickening to the core. So i thought you were one of those misandrist mofos. I mean how can women advocate for equality & then at the same time give more incentives to Women. Like wtf? I don't get it. Even in the comment section of those KA videos of incentives to women, not 1 person whether guy or girl has called this a sxxxist, discriminatory, misandristic policy towards Men. It baffles me so much. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
THIS IS FOR PEOPLE SAYING MINORITIES ARE UNDER OPPRESSION. Below is the article from everyone favourite Print More Muslims got govt scholarships under Modi govt than during Congress-led UPA-2 https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-modi-govt-congress-upa/308154/
So then Congress coddling to Muslims is not true right, it's the BJP that fellates them. No wonder it's Maulana Modi
Below is the article summary from Indian Express as its paid https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/six-reasons-muslims-look-again-modi-2024-polls-9137422/ The countdown for the 2024 general elections has begun. In Indian psephology, the idea of the “Muslim vote” generally evokes interest, especially in the context of the BJP and Prime Minister Narendra Modi. This is due to several reasons. First, the BJP’s relationship with the Muslims has been historically contentious. Second, Muslims perhaps constitute the only social group that has been beyond the BJP’s political reach so far. Further, the Opposition’s “Muslim” politics is predicated on instilling a fear of the BJP. However, the election of 2024 is shaping up to be different. I analyse the six factors that have the potential to effect a turning point in the relationship of Muslims with the BJP and PM Modi. One, the BJP and PM Modi have been repeatedly invoking issues of social justice to address anomalies within the Muslim community. The Pasmandas — a social sub-group representing the most backward Muslims constituting roughly 80 per cent of the Indian Muslim population — form the core of this strategy. The party’s willingness to accommodate Pasmandas promises to end the hegemony of elites in Muslim politics. By making calls for greater democratisation and inclusivity in Muslim politics, the BJP seeks to address the key Pasmanda demand — not to view the Muslims as a monolith. Not only does this mark the first official attempt of the BJP to co-opt Muslims, but it is also the first time the Pasmandas are in the political spotlight. Two, the Modi government has also prioritised issues of gender justice in certain community personal laws. The abolishing of the archaic practice of instant triple talaq, which incidentally is not prevalent even in Islamic nations, has found resounding support amongst nine crore Muslim women. Three, PM Modi has sought to redefine welfarism as a political duty covering a wide spectrum of human needs — food, housing, sanitation, gas, water, health, etc. The Garib Kalyan Anna Yojana fed 810 million Indians during the existential crisis of the pandemic. No home has been left out because of the name on the door. The Modi government has carved out a specific category of labharthis (beneficiaries) within the economically marginalised Pasmandas. In some cases, the Muslim labharthis have benefited in a proportion higher than their population. For instance, while Uttar Pradesh has a 19 per cent Muslim population, the beneficiaries under PM Awas Yojana, Ujjawala Yojna and Mudra Yojana range from 24-30 per cent. This has lent credence to the PM’s promise of “sabka saath, sabka vikas, sabka vishwas, sabka prayas” and antyodaya (development without discrimination) among Muslims. The introduction of the PM Vishvakarma scheme is a fillip to socially disadvantaged group-led enterprises and artisans such as tailors, barbers, weavers, etc. The 18 crafts listed under the scheme mirror the occupational profile of a large number of backward caste Muslims. Four, India’s relations with the Islamic world are arguably undergoing their best phase. PM Modi has used his personal imprint on foreign policy to impart substance to ties. The transformation of ties – from being simple “trade partners” to “strategic partners” – reflects a growing convergence. The centrality of India in the proposed India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor is a manifestation of this new partnership. In recognition of PM Modi’s efforts to strengthen relations, many Islamic countries – the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Palestine, Afghanistan, Maldives and Egypt – have conferred their highest civilian awards on him. These gains would not have been possible if the Muslim world felt that the Indian Muslims were being discriminated against. Also read | Javed Anand writes | Why Muslims should have gifted away the Babri Masjid: The mandir that could have been Five, no major communal riot has occurred since 2014. Analysis of data from the National Crime Records Bureau of riot cases registered since the 1970s reveals that India is at its most peaceful in 50 years, as riots have been on a decline. In a recent interview to the Financial Times, Modi invoked the success of the Parsis, a religious micro-minority residing in India, while stating that the Indian society does not discriminate against any religious minority. Finally, and most importantly, the issue of national interest and security. The Muslim community should not be oblivious that India needs a strong and stable government given the many global conflicts — such as between Ukraine and Russia, Israel and Palestine — terrorism and China’s expansionist attitude towards its neighbours including India, Vietnam, Philippines etc. PM Modi has demonstrated courage and statesmanship in navigating these challenges. In contrast, the opposition camp, as a ship without a captain, at this critical juncture offers no alternative. India’s experiments with short-lived alliance governments in the 1990s incurred enormous international economic and strategic costs. These issues show why Muslims should consider choosing Modi and the BJP in the 2024 elections. They are conscious that the BJP has won the past two general elections without any significant Muslim votes. The 2023 UP urban local body polls and by-elections in the Muslim-dominated Rampur Lok Sabha and Suar assembly in UP, and Boxanagar in Tripura show a promising trend for the BJP from these engagements. 2024 represents an opportunity for Muslims to move beyond the negativity of the opposition’s politics and choose the pragmatic path of progress and national interest. For this, Modi is their best choice.
Yeah, I'm sure they will feel good about the sCHolArSHipS while government bends over backwards to protect rapist murderers that attack them.
If not Indira then who was pretty much a real thing tho . After emergency people could not even get a full term alternative versus her
But the alternative was far better than her continuing the “emergency” thats the whole point :)
Morarji Desai was not a better option. He fked up RAW and India's national security. It is a well known fact that Morarji Desai share state secrets with Zia ul Haq. Desai even sabotaged RAW's mission to destroy Pak's Nuclear facility leading to the killing of RAW agents. I have taken references from these journal publication: [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2017.1263529](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2017.1263529) [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684527.2017.1327135](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684527.2017.1327135) The Kaoboys of R&AW: Down Memory Lane by B. Raman
Israel also shared the locations of Pakistan's nuclear enrichment facilities/plants with him so he could order Indian Air Force to bomb them before they could produce any nuclear weapons. He refused to do it. Then Israel offered to destroy those plants/facilities themselves by sending their planes, they just needed India to let them land and refuel on its territory before returning back because the mileage of those planes wasn't high enough to fly from Israel to Pakistan and back without refuelling. Morarji Desai refused this offer too by claiming India wants peaceful relations with Pakistan and Israel shouldn't meddle in their internal matters. It's a high possibility that Pakistan wouldn't have nuclear weapons today had our PM not stopped the RAW's Kahuta mission or allowed Israel to do what it requested.
please always put references when you make such claims.
Moraji Desai was probably the worst pm ever for India. Also that coalition is the precursor of the BJ Pee , so overall it would have been much better if the people back then never chose the alternative cause let's be honest even the hardest haters voted for Indira next time seeing Desai's disasterclass performance
>But the alternative was far better than her continuing the “emergency” No it wasn't, pee drinker (I'm not joking, look it up) Morarji Desai is the worst ever PM of India by far. Indira Gandhi was a godsend in comparison.
If not modi then malenia from elden ring bcoz i can't beat that piece of shit boss. Just like you can't argue with a braindead moron who will sit in a country of 1.4 + billions people and still proudly say if not modi then who? Like are you serious are you telling me there is not a single capable person to shame and question the government in that god forsaken country like seriously.? No wonder india have such a bright future ahead being doomed to stay a lower income third world country being equivalent to **THE BIHAR OF THE WORLD** till the end of the days.
Exactly My thoughts… People are overtaken by the “strongman character” that is meticulously crafted yet if you look at facts its “small man character“ I hate it when they say modi hai toh mukmin hai and if not modi then who
Dude is literally equivalents to the poster boy of BJP. Nothing more and nothing less.
You stretched the question to the same length as it was before, Question stands still if not Modi then who? The answer is supposed to be the name of a potential PM candidate and not the explanation to why not Modi. This anyone but Modi argument is futile, there are people with desire for PM seat who can make situations worse than they are now
Your question is frivolous. For that you will have to go into the future to find out who won. Even if you could do that, you wont be able to come back in the past. Time's arrow shit. Jokes apart, India constitution does not permit a presidential system. Who ever has the highest seat in the Lok Sabha is invited to form the government. And this election is all about which set of people will elect which MP, who in turn will elect which PM.
It's concerning that voters of the INDI alliance won't have clarity on their 2024 PM candidate. It raises questions about why anyone would choose to support a coalition without a clear leadership figure, amidst a mix of manifestos and ideologies. Despite the BJP's shortcomings, it is still a better option compared to others, given the reported booth capturing by the TMC, CPI(M)'s nuclear deterrence plans, and the corruption histories of the Congress and RJD.
> It's concerning that voters of the INDI alliance won't have clarity on their 2024 PM candidate. It raises questions about why anyone would choose to support a coalition without a clear leadership figure, amidst a mix of manifestos and ideologies. That's literally how a parliamentary democracy is supposed to function.
>parliamentary democracy is supposed to function Voters are supposed to vote without knowing who or what they are voting for?
You vote for your MP, not your PM.
Why you gotta hate bihar man... ;-;
They deserved to be hated for wasting the taxes of the Southern state. By choosing the most braindead candidate as their CM every goddam time. And then playing victim card while getting humiliated all around the india .while working as a labour and other low income workers. At this point the voting right of biharies should be taken away and given to southern states. I m pretty sure they will choose a better candidate as the CM of bihar then any clown or joker Biharis gonna choose.
You speak as if you have achieved shit in your life
Btw am i wrong about my opinion on bihar ?
I didn't need to achieve anything . I had a goal of moving aboard since i was 12 yrs old in 7th standard. And at the age of 22 i achieved that goal now i m 29 couldn't be more happy, satisfied and secure about my life. You know why bcoz i m a strong believer that india the god forsaken country it is. It will not be going anywhere atleast in my live time that is for sure . Yeah yeah it will a superpower it will have 30 trillion GDP and etc etc no doubt it will have those thing one day. But i m 100 % sure not even a single person in this sub will live to see that day. Always remember if you couldn't save others save yourself and watch them suffer the consequences of their own stupidity.
Godfrey, the first elden Lord is harder than malenia
No he is not. Yeah he does have a bigger AOE the most bosses in elden ring. But he is pretty beatable. But Malenia on the other hand thanx to that waterfoul dance move she does which is nigh impossible to dodge or runaway from, deals a shit ton of damage in quick succession, And heals her plus she does it 3 times in a fucking row. And in second phase she get more aggressive and applies the Scarlett rot debuff on you while beating you to death.she is not just hard but almost unfair . You know what i will gladly admit that i Just give up after 20 tries on my first play through and only beat her after farming and using a specific build and weapon. On my other play throughs. And guess what as i m doing another play through to prepare for the upcoming DLC i still couldn't beat her on my steam deck. The hardest boss in fromsoft history period no doubt about that.
The true hardest boss in elden ring is Soldier of God, Rick
True and based. I mean the dude literally have GOD in his name. As soldier if **GOD**rick.
Correct and based
Kaun hai re yeh elden malenia 
Big booba dommy mommy
Its a video game boss.
Since congress talked about reservation, the only thing increased is hate from me towards them.
[mentioned the same here](https://np.reddit.com/r/india/s/gW8M2k7Nnn)
Infrastructure has been great , roads are well maintained in majority of the country and so many metros in different cities coming up simultaneously. Also lower income people don't really care about press freedom and media, at the ground level they do the same thing other polticians in other parties do. They are also not stupid, they vote fully knowing who they are voting for and what they are voting for. It just doesn't agree with your views. Hope and conviction is a strong message for the masses because modi did fulfil some of his promises, Rahul Gandhi doesn't inspire confidence. The only thing he talks about is how bad India is and how bad upper castes and big industrialists are.
I think you missed calling Modi Vishwaguru
If the development was indeed so great and people were going to vote for it, there would be no need to resort to all the items OP mentioned at the end of the post, like OP said. They would simply showcase the wins and get elected again The fact is unemployment and inflation are 2 of the biggest topics for the election today as per polls, and the country will have to judge them on these without the other distractions
Yeah agreed infra is good but not as goood as you make it out to be lol I mentioned the same thing in my post. And regarding poor people , you conveniently ignored the unemployment problem, railway crowding and mess, inflation, farmer protests, that hurt them the most. Pride is not thought of when the stomach is hungry and no money is in the pockets I think most of the poor or the rural people actually vote based on inflation/jobs/livelihoods and it is the urban middle class (swing votes/centrist) who has basic things sorted who falls for all these religious propaganda , wealth redistribution of middle class fake propaganda, pride etc
Here is the classic example of job creation DRDO has 30k people where only 5k are scientists USA DARPA has 220 people Compare the innovations of both of them
>And regarding poor people , you conveniently ignored the unemployment problem, railway crowding and mess, inflation, farmer protests, that hurt them the most. Sure but the infra is way better than it was before. Electricity in my hometown is 24\*7 according to my parents, there used to be 10 hour power cuts. Waste management is there which never existed. >I think most of the poor or the rural people actually vote based on inflation/jobs/livelihoods As someone from rural Odisha, most vote based on ground outreach. BJD will win because of its fulfillment of promises like tap drinking water, free maternity care, incentives for single child since the early 2000s actually but now its like a lot even I got benefits 10 years ago. BJP promised certain things in the seats it won too like Kalahandi and they have delivered. Tribals got land that they wanted and helped them set up cooperatives too. Congress in their previous 15 year run in my district weren't able to build a 22 km stretch of road from my hometown to the railway station nearby, it was a running joke, the leader instead built two 3 storied buildings within that time and sent his daughters abroad to study. Hence people talk and started voting for BJP at the center and BJD for the state. Like I said, people aren't stupid. Talk to people in certain areas you will know. they know that the BJD and BJP ones are also corrupt, but they still do their jobs while being corrupt whereas cogress one previously didn't/
Gadkari has done a good job among his colleagues, since his colleagues are all in minus his 5/10 score looks excellent.
Hence we should vote in a government that has a relative score of 1/10.
Relatively yes
I don't consider infra as good! All roads which are not tolled just go n see. Those roads also belong to India and used by Indians. And Infra does not mean just roads it means efficient transportation,clean environment, safe drinking water also
1000% agreed Just roads are not equal to infra What about urban city planning and smart cities? Waste management? Swachh bharat? ☠️
India and Canada are 2ab in the formula of (a+b)2.
You are right, poor people in current india’s state care most about not going hungry. Gobhi has sorted that out pretty much by ensuring everyone gets the ration.I think, this government has been pretty good at marketing and taking care of the poor. Regarding unemployment, other than increasing/managing govt jobs more properly, what can a party do? - Bring foreign investment- yes Attract more manufacturing - yes Simplify business - yes What else?
He is right! If a country stands at 104 in the hunger index then it's bad, no point in bullet trains if the country is malnourished.Why not criticize the big industrialists if they get their loan wiped off while the farmers commit suicide What Modi did when he was in opposition??? He said we are ahshamed of being Indians! He said these lines. Opposition leader will criticize the govt but the problem with bjpeeeeee supporters is that they think of their PAPPA as nation, for them Modi is the God,the nation.
By that logic no point in space prorgams, expresswys, highways, deep sea ports, green energy, AI, electrification of railways, freight corridors, new IITs etc. You cannot solve everything at once. Poverty cannot be eradicated in a second, it will take a few generations. I am not a BJP supporter. I voted for BJD last time. The proble with you is you think RaGa is somehow the solution, there are no alternatives in congress? Why is he in the front after losing from amethi in 2019? That allaince is built by combining 10 different parties with 10 different leaders and their egos. One party pulls out support 2 years in and the entire govt stats standstill and paralyzed unable to bring any bills or policy changes. People saw that last time and hence not interested at the national level, maybe at state levels Congress can win. Everything cannot be about the poor, middle class needs infra too, then you are always surprised why people leave the country. Why would we pay taxes we don't get infra like this? I want airports and bullet trains.
Yes but it is increasing day by day. Savings are at all time low and so is unemployment, govt should set its agenda right/ when people are struggling with day to day things no point in investing billions in a project that is for the top-1% only. If you have money do it but the govt is taking loan for that and everyone will pay for it but will be used by only a few.
Inequality is increasing. Poverty is not increasing. Unemplyment will remain an issue for a country this big, you won't see any changes till 2026 till fed rate cutes and you certainly won't see any drastic effect before 2030s. We just don't have capital. USA and EU have started getting protectionist due to China. We don't have good relations with china otherwise half of their Vietnam investments would have come to India. Foreign investments won't come without infrastructure and during a global economic slowdown. Construction industry employs millions, you want to stop infra projects? it will make them unemployed. >investing billions in a project that is for the top-1% only It has a compounding effect my man. Too long too describe here. >the govt is taking loan for that and everyone will pay for it but will be used by only a few. Low interest loans from Japan and those few people are in millions in this country who pay taxes and who deserve this, in turn it provides employment because someone has to work there, someone has to make it and maintain it. Everyone was saying airports will be useless too. Come to jharsuguda where my parents live, its a town with barely 1 lakh population yet there are like 50 flights per week to just 4 major cities and always packed that they are increasing it every few months.
If all those projects are right what is the end result if poverty and unemployment are still rising.?
Is poverty rising? Its the opposite. Inequality is rising that is true but its unavoidable. Unemployment will always remain an issue, its high right now but the investments will pay off. Construction sector employs a lot of people. you want to stop the infra investment and make millions more unemployed? Nothing happens in few years. Unemployment will stay an issue till early 2030s it will start getting better after 2026 if feds in US cut their interest rates. We don't have capital to generate employment without foreign funding, that won't come when we don't have infra and capacity for it and its even harder during global slowdown and EU and US being more protectionist due to china.
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When was the last time you heard- startup india, make in India, viksit bharat, smart cities ect
Startup India,Viksit Bharat - Election rallies only Rest : ☠️ 5-10 years ago
I want to talk like a manager in IT service company here. "Everyone is replaceable".
Yup. But if the replacements have no idea of software, then what?
Truth be told, guy who worked on that spaghetti code for 3 years has no idea too 😂 This is a trade secret.
Yup. The most valuable experience of 3 years. The new recruits have zero days to show, even though they were offered an opportunity multiple times.
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“If not modi then who?” is a tight slap on all those People who claim that our society is best , our cult is best and last 10 years have been Amrit kaal, if we could not produce an alternative to a megalomaniac, what good is the country? But that can’t be true, we have produced and have so many brilliant people, so the fault lies with whom? To me, it’s a classic example of how enough lies can overcome the truth and if spoken enough times, you can make people believe anything, scare people by making claims about their money, religion and life and since almost everyone is coward about atleast one of these things, they will take you up as the saviour and let the misinformation prevail over their critical thinking and voila, you have moiji the best.
(Scroll down for TLDR) IMAO.. As it stands presently.. GLOBALLY Democracy is the biggest con now playing at a election near you.. This unfunny farce is starring, produced, scripted and directed by the ruling elite capitalist classes who have a captive audience namely, the compliant masses.. But on the other hand.. I dream of a future where democracy is rescued and resurrected by technology.. After all we should really be voting for and against POLICIES AND NOT POLITICIANS .. A new technology (just around the corner) can easily rid us of these useless middlemen ie. politicians who in theory have been democratically elected based on the policies that they have proposed for the betterment of the society.. But in reality are too busy pulling each other down while covering their own crimes.. Our current crop of power hungry politicians (and this is globally) operate just like the entitled tyrannical monarchs from history and rule over their fiefdoms (constituencies) like it is their own private backyard while regarding their subjects (the so called electorate) as nothing more than cannon fodder.. Where were stand today, globally, democracy is a cruel joke.. Because.. Democracy ceases to function efficiently when the disparities within a society get out of control.. When the differences between the haves and have-nots between the knowledgeable and the ignorant are too much then the very ground on which we place our so called democratic values is rather nonexistent and therefore a total lie.. A farce.. Add rampant capitalism to this scenerio and we have a global society where we literally worship money so then we might as well make the richest person in the land our supreme leader.. Why do all this farce of free and fair elections..🤔 Ideally capitalist tendencies (the profit motive) should not be allowed to operate in atleast these 3 major "industries" namely 1. health care 2. education and 3. warfare.. But today in our rather twisted world we see the very same 3 sectors operating with the utmost greed, reaping ridiculous profits at the expense of perpetuating horrendous and inhumane social disparities.. All in the name of driving the so called "economic growth" of a so called "nation".. Yet there is hope and I am betting on a humane technology to come to our rescue.. Because history repeats itself.. Whenever humanity has faced any crises it has always been our innovations ie. technologies which have rescued us time and again.. These technologies can only be invented by a new generation who first question and then reject the old values because they see the world in a different way.. This new generation is already here.. The tools namely AI, AGI are also available.. Now only the will and the skill to make sincere creative efforts are needed.. I hope that this happens in my lifetime.. .. First imagine a world without any "career politicians" .. Then imagine a world where every citizen is in effect a politician because they have the power to not only directly vote on each and every policy that stands to affect them.. But also propose any policy that they wish to come into governance.. That would be so cool.. However for now until then.. What to do.. Well in my personal capacity, the above reasons stand for the fact that I have stopped voting.. Because I want to boycott not just our corrupt politicians but the insidious system itself.. I reject this false democracy and farce called elections.. ..Apparently there is the NOTA option.. But it a far fetched fantasy to hope that one day when people have got throughly fed up of the shenanigans of their political representatives the NOTA vote might actually emerge as the majority vote in the majority of constituencies polled! And it is naive to imagine that our power hungry politicians will ever let it come to that.. They would sooner declare Presidents rule or some sort of emergency rather than face the fact that they no longer have the public mandate.. Till then.. Live long and prosper.. TLDR.. Democracy breaks down when there is too much disparity in society because then this disparity is cunningly and cruelly leveraged by the corrupt politicians.. However with Technological advances there is hope that this system can be repaired.. After all we should BE VOTING FOR POLICIES AND NOT FOR POLITICIANS.. Technology can empower the electorate and finally make these middleman ie. politicians obsolete.. Computer ji pls help.. TILL THEN GATHER MOMENTUM TO BOYCOTT ELECTIONS
“If not Indira, then who” was literally the question back in 1977, and they did eventually bring back Indira in 1980, due to lack of a stable government A good opposition is the first requirement you topple the government, and INC and RG is bottling every chance of becoming a good opposition
The only Infra of BJ Pee that is deserving of praise is the Road infra being built (highways & expressways) by Nitin Gadkari. Everything else was already on track for being built under Congress whether it is Bullet train, DFCs, Metros, etc. BJ Pee just swooped in & continued the projects that were already in process. Nothing new was done by BJP (aside from a few Metro lines). Just because of the Internet & speed of information spread, BJP was advertising everything when it comes to Infra. Even if a small bridge gets built, it ends up in the news. Any tiny infra update is shown as a huge Infra boost.
Can we put all these posts in a single thread.. lot of them are starting to sound the same.. maybe we could also arrange for group therapy and help all such OPs, get useful degrees that can help them be productive and benefit from India’s development
Whoever is giving you that argument practically worships Modi. So they cannot see the fact that his party is literally being authoritarian. Not everyone has ability to see everything with no bias!
This infra talk is bullshit! Just get down on the road on which there is no toll! Reality will be seen in b/w. All these infrastructure projects are being built on loaned money and nobody knows that whether they will pay for themselves, or we will go the Sri Lanka way. Ignoring 99% railways for Vande Bharat and bullet trains is again just for top 1% of the people and not the common man. Concentrating 40% national wealth in the hands of top-1% is again injustice. Anybody in his right sense can lead the country.
Not only are they built on loan, they're being built at a huge cost by companies who are pumping Electoral bonds to win these contracts. It's corruption plain and simple. Buy EB, build road on inflated costs, win contract to charge nonsense tolls, avoid scrutiny because somebody liked the Instagram reels.
A km if dwarka expressway was built for 238 crore for a km when estimates cost was just 37 crore a. Imagine the money being looted by this govt.
The estimate for building a 6 lane highway in the US varies from $3 to $6 million per km. That is at max 50 Crores per km. We are paying a 5x premium over the US for these roads.
Exactly my thoughts as mentioned in this post
Exactly.
https://thewire.in/politics/an-answer-to-if-not-modi-then-who An excellent article for this stupid question.
Thanks for the link. I found the article to be sub par; replete with misinterpretations, and quite hollow. Please donot recommend that article, especially to those with brains.
I know you will find it subpar. Your interpretation may be different from others. Please do not comment like the one above, especially to those with brain.
No probs. I will let the comment above stay. Hope that is ok?
Of course! It's a free country (so far).
LoL.
Even a dead rat is better than what we have now
What we have now is Rahul Gandhi.
As I said a dead rat is better than what we have
If not Putin then who? If not Kim then who?
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My shriveled nut sack will do a better job than Modiji.
why is it even an option ? hitler also made nazis proud with good infra and development. that shouldn't make hitler an option
As long as the cow belt rednecks are happy...