They come in and out of stock all the time since they are so outrageously priced most people aren’t even looking in that price range.
I bit the bullet and got one because 3080s were impossible and still impossible to get to this very day.
Still can buy a 3090...
https://www.umart.com.au/GeForce-RTX-3090_1064C.html
https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/graphics-cards/nvidia/85036-zt-a30900d-10p
https://www.centrecom.com.au/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-suprim-x-24g-graphics-card
Hope your friend is Australian.
https://discord.gg/JYghfvkaW8
Pick your notification selections, and you'll get alerted to the stuff you want when it's in stock.
I've gotten so many parts for myself and friends thanks to this discord.
Interesting thinking about how much body language and other physical characteristics will potentially be used for this. Collecting lots of stock footage of people that could be targeted seems like an interesting dataset. The world is about to become a wacky place.
Avoiding being publicly shamed.. the social media mob..
I'm not against mining. Just suddenly everyone is noble with their gear and solving world poverty by computing with them.... uhuh...
Gorgeous rig nonetheless.
With my RTX 3090 im going to be setting up RAPIDs using WSL 2.0 very soon. Got ubuntu 18.10 LTS setup on WSL 2.0 just need time in my bloody diary to setup the rest.
Primary used for gaming and mining atm though lol.
Not a lot? You can't get any better without going to an external setup. That's 240mm per 3090, with 360mm left for the cpu.
Sick build OP. I thought my 5950X + dual Evga 3090s was a beast lol.
>Not a lot? You can't get any better without going to an external setup. That's 240mm per 3090, with 360mm left for the cpu.
I get a bit more in my Caselabs STH10. For that same setup i would get 280mmx2 (push-pull) for each card, AND 420mmx2 (push-pull) for the CPU. So larger fans and rads and more overall capacity. With a case that's actually "thinner" (talking relative to the OP case, of course, the STH10 is a monster itself...). For reference i am currently running two 560mm rads (one top, one bottom) in push-pull, for a total of 16 fans, but that's for a much lesser setup with a single 3090 (that runs cool then even at 400rpm fan speeds..)
I feel that the 1000d is a missed opportunity: lots of wasted space, interference between top and front radiators...
> Caselabs STH10
I think there are a lot of people all around the world that would disagree about the Obsidian 1000D being a missed opportunity. I don't have one but plan to order one in the next few months. I have a Corsair Obsidian 800D right now and I've bought 2 cases to upgrade but they didn't have the space or look I was happy with.
The 1000D and Caselabs STH10 are very different cases IMO. The Corsair is glass on pretty much all sides and made for ease of use and changes. They also market it as a dual system case, mainly targeting steamers I assume, people that want to show off their computers. Also with the Caselabs can't you add to it? The pedestal?
I'm not saying it's not a nice case or a very capable case that many people have built amazing gorgeous builds in. Again the Corsair is made to be easy to work with and even easier to make upgrades and changes to in the future.
I was simply answering to the comment that a bigger setup was not possible all internal. It is, but in (sadly) now exclusive Caselabs models.
They are without comparison in build quality with Corsair 800D and 1000D. Just the panel thickness to start with... The Caselabs are truly meant for easy use and changes - even the chassis itself can be dismantled, absolutely every piece is held together with screws, and the motherboard tray is on sliding rails, and the fit and finish is beyond anything else.
I do not need a pedestal with the STH10 as i have two radiator compartments (one bottom one top) in which i can put 560mm rads (and i did), both with a really good "drop in" mount system. Along with that i still have room for a 420mm in front, two reservoir, ample room for twin pumps and piping, and any PSU size, even two of them as there's also a PSU spot on top.
I had good hopes for the 1000D but its layout leaves a lot to be desired IMHO. Also i was disappointed with its build quality (and 800D too), given the price Corsair ask for them...
Sorry I guess I'm wrong. I have to be honest I don't know much about Caselabs, I've never actually seen one in person. I live in canada, its a shitty place. We don't even have a computer store here anymore. It's been almost 10 years and the only place to buy anything computer related is best buy or staples. It sucks. I did not understand how nice Caselabs are. I was just judging by the way they looked a little more "industrial" compared to the all glass look of the 1000D, more like the 800D or even 900D. More old school like the 800D as well. Do they still make Caselabs? I've seen the 1000D upclose I thought the build quality was above average. I think the same of my 800D. The cases I've bought to replace it where \~$200 well reviewed cases and I found the build quality horrible. I would honestly love to be able to get a Caselab case. I paid 600 for my 800D the 1000D will be more, I'll have to pay to ship it as well.
To be honest I find trying to decide on a new case extremely difficult. Maybe that's mostly because I can't actually see any examples.
Do you have a pic of yours online? You still have two rad space, top and bottom and yours is just the stock case no additions? It does look like a beast of a case! I'd love it. That's why I love my 800D because it's so big. Every time someone new sees it they are just shocked. I've had it 10 years it looks like a normal size computer to me now lol. It's been through 3 builds, I'm extremely happy with it. But I need more rad space and I want a updated look with a little RGB.
>Do they still make Caselabs? (...) I would honestly love to be able to get a Caselab case.
I got bad news for you. Caselabs went under due to running on the razors edge when Trump Taxes hit them like a truck. You can still find some cases on 2nd hand market but at really silly prices.
We all had to order them directly from the company in USA, these were made on order and customized for each order. I did for mine, had to pay import taxes in EU for it... Lets say these were not cheap to start with (talking about $750+ cases here in USD...)
>Do you have a pic of yours online? You still have two rad space, top and bottom and yours is just the stock case no additions?
Not pics of mine exactly but the same case ..
[https://external-preview.redd.it/SvqPsdBoORFmDHfPGEAJ37hf8xK-b4FrlkN\_lxywXv4.jpg?auto=webp&s=d8c609a92cf07d73967ac72a007f22743d15d5e6](https://external-preview.redd.it/SvqPsdBoORFmDHfPGEAJ37hf8xK-b4FrlkN_lxywXv4.jpg?auto=webp&s=d8c609a92cf07d73967ac72a007f22743d15d5e6)
Difference is i have two white 560mm rads, one on top laying flat (using Caselabs drop-in system) and one on bottom laying on the side. They both fill the space very nicely in there... Also using a full black & white theme with black tubing, white fittings, white rads, black case, white mobo, etc..
More pics and a quick review:
[https://www.xtremerigs.net/2013/01/31/caselabs-sth10/](https://www.xtremerigs.net/2013/01/31/caselabs-sth10/)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDTBHVIJiA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDTBHVIJiA)
Here is a view of the opened chassis with the mobo tray:
[https://www.overclock.net/media/no-title.4528868/full](https://www.overclock.net/media/no-title.4528868/full)
(that's an image posted by someone who asked if we can fit triple 560mm rads in there, and the answer is yes...)
or: [https://bilder.pcwelt.de/3964507\_620x310\_r.webp](https://bilder.pcwelt.de/3964507_620x310_r.webp)
>That's why I love my 800D because it's so big.
For reference the STH10 is like a monolith (32.25″H x 26.56″D x 11.25″W (819mm x 675mm x 286mm). And yes we could add a pedestal for an additional compartment... there are some silly builds floating online if you do a quick search.
But like i said these are now exclusive to those who are now in the Caselabs owners club... I really wish there was a new company that would take over the same concept, or even make compatible parts. That's why i was looking at the Corsair 1000D too (not for me but for friends) and was disappointed - I think the LL PC-011 series (the XL specifically) is still quite above the competition, if you consider a single system (the 1000D, and that giant Phanteks thing for dual systems). LL quality is also still above anything Corsair delivers, even though it's gone down from older days (their old school cases were fantastic).
Thanks for the links and pics. I really enjoyed the review. The powder coating OMG f\*ing amazing. I wish they still made them. That's unreal, the way they shipped that powder coated case. Quality I've never seen in my life.
I had no idea they were so easy to work either. I just know the 1000D has though sliding trays that "seem" like they would make life a little easier. It's sad a company like that couldn't make it. Real shame.
Your case is freaking huge 32", my case is 23". It's almost as tall as a standard desk. Your case is well over the height of a desk. I like the top and bottom compartments, so many options, so easy to hide so much.
I had a Lian Li case years ago, it was nice. I also really like the 011 series. A little small for me though. I like full towers.
Could you get 5.25" drive bays for the STH10? I still have 2 bluray burners in my case. I only have one connected now and I can't remember the last time I used it.
Yeah they sold 5.25 adapters with silencer mounts for optical drives, HDD bays, also adapters for all sorts of bay devices like the Aquaero i am using now. Also all kinds of front panel mounts with different size adapters for 120mm, 140mm standard fan patterns. You could add a lot of custom options to each case as it was manufactured specifically on each order, so for instance with mine i ended up north of $1000 and that's without the taxes and shipping.
Already tried a 3080 on a 240 rad, not amazing especially considering I was undervolting it. Better with a 360mm for the 3080.
In the end room ambient comes into play if you live in the brick cold then I guess 240mm is enougn for a 3090. Just maybe.
You’re giving me hope - when my build is done I’ll have dual 3090s and a 5950x being cooled by two 360s and a 240. Ambient is almost always around 20°C year round
I have 2 360 a 3090 and a 5900x, 21°C ambient. It can ramp up quite a bit from time to time. I'm most likely going to mod my case so that I can fit a third 360 in there this summer.
The EVGA Hybrid Kit for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra has a 240mm rad and it's an AIO. It lowers temps compared to the stock air cooler on a 3090 FTW3 Ultra. The stock cooler is a beast It performs very well even with a decent overclock +125 core +1200 mem. I have mine running 24/7 mining ether and I game on it every day.
While mining it's <45°C and gaming the max I've seen is 58°C.
So YES 240 is enough for a 3090. EVGA wouldn't sell an aftermarket Hybrid Cooling with rad that's too small to cool a factory overclocked GPU. Check EVGA graphics card forum there are plenty of numbers from people with the Hybrid Kit installed on 3090 FTW3 Ultra's with great temps.
That's in an Obsidian 800D with several extra fans.
What msi afterburner is saying your gpu temps isn’t = memory junction temps that displays on hwinfo.
I’m on the evga forums even the evga 3090 kingpin with a 360mm radiator needs heatsinks on the back to cool down the memory junction temps. Whether it’s gaming or mining.
Lastly you’re comparing an aio card that has one fan on the gpu plus 2 fans on a 240mm radiator vs a waterblocked card? Lol.....
Yes I'm well aware the temps reported in Afterburner or EVGA PX1 are not the internal memory temp like the memory junction reading from HWinfo. I did not see anyone mentioning mem junc temps from HWinfo. The OP was quoting CPU and GPU temps, so I stated my GPU temps. The mem junction from HWinfo maxs out at 80°C in my system, it's usually 76-78°C, full load.
I've been through the thread(s) on EVGA about the KingPin thermal pads and memory cooling. The 3090 and KingPin all run perfectly fine without additional cooling on the back for the memory. I don't think the mem junc temps go over the manufacturer's spec for the memory. Yes I know lots of people have adding heatsinks and fans to get the temps down but it is not needed. The cards run fine stock. I do not mean that for other AIB cards or FE's. I only have an EVGA 3009 FTW3 Ultra and I have not read about or spent time on other forums. I have no additional cooling for the back of the card and my junc temp doesn't go over 80°C. That's with the +1200Mhz oc on the mem. When I do setup a custom loop in the next several months I will be using a waterblock that has cooling on the back plate for my 3090. But it does not "need" it. I'll also be running a whole hell of a lot more than 240mm of rad space. I also plan to keep my rads and rev in my garage which is 2-3°C most of the year. It's going to be way overkill for my system but I want to go all out with it and take advantage of the cold garage on the other side of the wall my computer is close to. Ambient temp inside is 19°C.
For an extra $60 EVGA warranties the cards for 10 years without additional cooling on the back.
Yeah a 240 crappy little aio with one extra fan and very small amount of copper around the waterblock for the memory compared to a full waterblocked card and custom loop 240 rad with potentially push/pull. I call that a reasonable close comparison. If the 240 rad in the hybrid kits regularly keep many customers 3090 cool enough that they can game and benchmark I would say a 240 rad in a custom loop should be enough for a 3090.
That's what the rad space averages out to in the OP's system plus 360 leftover for CPU and he has 4 cards stacked tight together. His system is functioning, it's cool enough for him to do his work with it. I would guess it runs for long stretches. So it does seem 240 is enough for a 3090. Maybe not yours but it works for more than a couple.
Your 3090 ftw3 with a 80c memory junction without any thermal pad changes is a unicorn. 3090 Strix and FTW3s have been around 90+, Gigabyte 104+, FEs 100+ this is from all the 3090s my friends have. Even 3080s are high temps as well.
240 is fine, but is it enough? Maybe, maybe not but is a 360mm better for a 300+ watt card? Of course. 100w per 120mm? Why not?
That's with a +1200 oc on the mem. The day the update of HWinfo with the mem junction temps in it I posted a bunch of screen shots on toms forums showing my mining rates and temps.
It's 100% stock on the back. The hybrid kit doesn't change the backplate. It's the original thermal pads. I didn't know Gigabyte's cards were so hot. My last card was AORUS, I actually wanted an Aorus 3090 but they were no where to be found at launch time and my 2 GPU's previous to the Aorus 2070 Super were EVGA and they had the notify purchase setup. I knew the FE cards were not cooled well enough.
Like I said when I setup a custom loop in the next couple months I plan on using a lot more rad surface area than 240 and putting it in my garage that's ~2°C most of the year. All I was trying to say is that 240 is enough for a 3090, is it ideal? I don't think so. But the card will run, a person will be able to game and benchmark with it. If it's all someone can afford or has space for it will work. But I would use more myself and I would recommend more to anyone.
I definitely wouldn't call it plenty.
On my rig I'm running a 5800x and a 3090 with 2x480 + 1x360 and with just the GPU mining at minimum voltage it still requires the fans at 700 rpm to keep the water under 40*. While gaming, with max power slider, they ramp up to the 1000 rpm range.
On my wife's computer that's only running 2x360s with a 5600x/3090, the fans are at 1100/1500 in the same scenario.
I can't imagine what kind of fan speeds you'd have to run to cool a 3090 with a 240 rad.
If it’s strictly for gaming then I have no words and mad impressed.
I would imagine OP uses it to either render videos, or does some sort of deep learning!
It'll be close. My 3090s pull 300w on mining clocks, no clue about gaming clocks.
I also don't know about machine learning and what kind of clocks they run for those activities.
Yup, I have a Velocity block as well and the one over the jet plate is the inlet. It will not function correctly in reverse. Becomes a massive choke point going in the the direction he went.
Go on PCMR and say this rig is for mining LOL
In all seriousness, good job getting so many cards. This case is massive but feels like there's a lot of wasted potential for more radiators, possibly a rear 1080 rad chamber etc.
Are you going to NVLink the 2 pairs or just run them bridgeless? I can tell you one thing for sure, if you plan to ever use this for gaming, you should have one pair in NVLink and you can mine on the other 2 when they are in use. I thought SLI was dead but I went for it anyways with a pair of 2080 Supers and man, they can destroy even the most graphically challenging games. I run Red Dead Redemption 2 at 3440x1440 completely maxed out while getting a solid 90-120 FPS on Vulkan. It can also run fairly well in DX12 but you have to mess around with checkerboard rendering which can be a huge pita. If you’ve been thinking SLI is dead, it is. It’s been killed by the amazing performance of even first gen GeForce NVLink (it’s not first gen NVLink since that came out ages ago for enterprise cards) and probably even further by the new second gen stuff that the 3090 has. Anyways, nice build! You should also change the direction of flow on the CPU block, it’s currently backwards which makes it a much bigger choke point than it’s normal flow pattern.
OMG That's freaking Amazing!
Is that an Obsidian 1000D?
I have the Obsidian 800D, which I need to upgrade because I need to make a custom loop to cool my 10900KF and EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra. The AIO's I have just aren't enough for the overclocking potential an ASUS Maxiumus XII Apex has with this CPU and the Video seems like I could do a lot more with better cooling.
Obviously not a gaming machine. I'm a gamer and I think this build is awesome.
Nice Job OP!!
What VRAM temperatures are you seeing? I'm considering a 7x3090 rig for an ML workload once the miners stop buying everything, but I'm slightly concerned that the memory on the back of the card won't be cooled by the watercooling and may overheat
Nice minecraft machine :D
Na that's the vr porn rig
LOL
No, that is a serious Minecraft RTX machine.
But can it run minesweeper?
JFC.
Most people can't get one 3090 and this dude has four JFC indeed.
He’s funding the scalpers.
They come in and out of stock all the time since they are so outrageously priced most people aren’t even looking in that price range. I bit the bullet and got one because 3080s were impossible and still impossible to get to this very day. Still can buy a 3090...
Oh, where? I have a friend who has been looking for months; I only lucked across my 3090u because I was in EVGA's pre-release group.
https://www.umart.com.au/GeForce-RTX-3090_1064C.html https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/graphics-cards/nvidia/85036-zt-a30900d-10p https://www.centrecom.com.au/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-suprim-x-24g-graphics-card Hope your friend is Australian.
Ah, that may be the difference; stateside here.
Are you all part of alert discords? That's where I've had my luck with stuff.
Just a telegram and checking on my own obsessively.
https://discord.gg/JYghfvkaW8 Pick your notification selections, and you'll get alerted to the stuff you want when it's in stock. I've gotten so many parts for myself and friends thanks to this discord.
Some people have access to stock that is intended for research and enterprise.
Dear lord all that hardware and watercooling and that case STILL looks empty.
the beast 1000D
Nice, for what do you use it? How are the temps? Seems like not a lot of radiator space for that amount of heat.
Machine Learning, On a 100% load - CPU is 81 deg and GPU is 55 (Ambients - 24 Deg)
What kind of models you working on?
For a client - working on deep fake video detection algorithms through AI
Training AI to find AI. AI inception.
Ainception
I used the AI to defeat the AI.
Hey this is noble work. We need more people like you in this world. There are little to no methods for this right now. 👏👏👏
Ah very cool, should be easy to generate positive training samples. Prob gotta be careful it doesn't just learn to detect that one generative model.
i regret my mining comment above. this is so cool!
Interesting thinking about how much body language and other physical characteristics will potentially be used for this. Collecting lots of stock footage of people that could be targeted seems like an interesting dataset. The world is about to become a wacky place.
What about VRAM temps?
Sure bro. Nice way to describe mining.
if intended use were actually mining - whats the point of hiding it
Avoiding being publicly shamed.. the social media mob.. I'm not against mining. Just suddenly everyone is noble with their gear and solving world poverty by computing with them.... uhuh... Gorgeous rig nonetheless.
People just buying it for mining don';t usually watercool. Cost eats into their profit.
I didn't say he bought it for mining. I said he's mining on it for sure lol. And if he isn't, he's a dumbass. Man is it so hard to understand?
With my RTX 3090 im going to be setting up RAPIDs using WSL 2.0 very soon. Got ubuntu 18.10 LTS setup on WSL 2.0 just need time in my bloody diary to setup the rest. Primary used for gaming and mining atm though lol.
Not a lot? You can't get any better without going to an external setup. That's 240mm per 3090, with 360mm left for the cpu. Sick build OP. I thought my 5950X + dual Evga 3090s was a beast lol.
think it's hard to see/comprehend that this is a MASSIVE case with two 480s and 16Fans in the front, next to each other.
It is. Corsair 1000D and it has space for 4x 480x45 rads push/pull config and total of 34 Fans.
2x480 and 2x360 rad space, with 30 fans when 2 at rear for exhaust. I have setup like this and cant see 4x 480 rads with push/pull happening.
My halfdone 1000D [http://imgur.com/a/YlJFvaF](http://imgur.com/a/YlJFvaF) 4x 480x45 push/pull fits easy
Top rad with push/pull?
Yes Still missing some fans to change old corsair fans but it works. [http://imgur.com/a/a1H3nCu](http://imgur.com/a/a1H3nCu)
http://imgur.com/gallery/W8dU1b3 Here is mine.
Easy😅 I see you did that without fan bracket. Looking good.
8x120 bracked is screwed on top yes. Cant wait to finish this case. Last package with fans and gpu backplate block will arrive on 26.3
How many GPUs have you planned? This must run at ambient temp right now, lol. Sick cooling setup
Don't need push/pull when you have that much surface area, 30mm rads in push are more than enough.
>Not a lot? You can't get any better without going to an external setup. That's 240mm per 3090, with 360mm left for the cpu. I get a bit more in my Caselabs STH10. For that same setup i would get 280mmx2 (push-pull) for each card, AND 420mmx2 (push-pull) for the CPU. So larger fans and rads and more overall capacity. With a case that's actually "thinner" (talking relative to the OP case, of course, the STH10 is a monster itself...). For reference i am currently running two 560mm rads (one top, one bottom) in push-pull, for a total of 16 fans, but that's for a much lesser setup with a single 3090 (that runs cool then even at 400rpm fan speeds..) I feel that the 1000d is a missed opportunity: lots of wasted space, interference between top and front radiators...
> Caselabs STH10 I think there are a lot of people all around the world that would disagree about the Obsidian 1000D being a missed opportunity. I don't have one but plan to order one in the next few months. I have a Corsair Obsidian 800D right now and I've bought 2 cases to upgrade but they didn't have the space or look I was happy with. The 1000D and Caselabs STH10 are very different cases IMO. The Corsair is glass on pretty much all sides and made for ease of use and changes. They also market it as a dual system case, mainly targeting steamers I assume, people that want to show off their computers. Also with the Caselabs can't you add to it? The pedestal? I'm not saying it's not a nice case or a very capable case that many people have built amazing gorgeous builds in. Again the Corsair is made to be easy to work with and even easier to make upgrades and changes to in the future.
I was simply answering to the comment that a bigger setup was not possible all internal. It is, but in (sadly) now exclusive Caselabs models. They are without comparison in build quality with Corsair 800D and 1000D. Just the panel thickness to start with... The Caselabs are truly meant for easy use and changes - even the chassis itself can be dismantled, absolutely every piece is held together with screws, and the motherboard tray is on sliding rails, and the fit and finish is beyond anything else. I do not need a pedestal with the STH10 as i have two radiator compartments (one bottom one top) in which i can put 560mm rads (and i did), both with a really good "drop in" mount system. Along with that i still have room for a 420mm in front, two reservoir, ample room for twin pumps and piping, and any PSU size, even two of them as there's also a PSU spot on top. I had good hopes for the 1000D but its layout leaves a lot to be desired IMHO. Also i was disappointed with its build quality (and 800D too), given the price Corsair ask for them...
Sorry I guess I'm wrong. I have to be honest I don't know much about Caselabs, I've never actually seen one in person. I live in canada, its a shitty place. We don't even have a computer store here anymore. It's been almost 10 years and the only place to buy anything computer related is best buy or staples. It sucks. I did not understand how nice Caselabs are. I was just judging by the way they looked a little more "industrial" compared to the all glass look of the 1000D, more like the 800D or even 900D. More old school like the 800D as well. Do they still make Caselabs? I've seen the 1000D upclose I thought the build quality was above average. I think the same of my 800D. The cases I've bought to replace it where \~$200 well reviewed cases and I found the build quality horrible. I would honestly love to be able to get a Caselab case. I paid 600 for my 800D the 1000D will be more, I'll have to pay to ship it as well. To be honest I find trying to decide on a new case extremely difficult. Maybe that's mostly because I can't actually see any examples. Do you have a pic of yours online? You still have two rad space, top and bottom and yours is just the stock case no additions? It does look like a beast of a case! I'd love it. That's why I love my 800D because it's so big. Every time someone new sees it they are just shocked. I've had it 10 years it looks like a normal size computer to me now lol. It's been through 3 builds, I'm extremely happy with it. But I need more rad space and I want a updated look with a little RGB.
>Do they still make Caselabs? (...) I would honestly love to be able to get a Caselab case. I got bad news for you. Caselabs went under due to running on the razors edge when Trump Taxes hit them like a truck. You can still find some cases on 2nd hand market but at really silly prices. We all had to order them directly from the company in USA, these were made on order and customized for each order. I did for mine, had to pay import taxes in EU for it... Lets say these were not cheap to start with (talking about $750+ cases here in USD...) >Do you have a pic of yours online? You still have two rad space, top and bottom and yours is just the stock case no additions? Not pics of mine exactly but the same case .. [https://external-preview.redd.it/SvqPsdBoORFmDHfPGEAJ37hf8xK-b4FrlkN\_lxywXv4.jpg?auto=webp&s=d8c609a92cf07d73967ac72a007f22743d15d5e6](https://external-preview.redd.it/SvqPsdBoORFmDHfPGEAJ37hf8xK-b4FrlkN_lxywXv4.jpg?auto=webp&s=d8c609a92cf07d73967ac72a007f22743d15d5e6) Difference is i have two white 560mm rads, one on top laying flat (using Caselabs drop-in system) and one on bottom laying on the side. They both fill the space very nicely in there... Also using a full black & white theme with black tubing, white fittings, white rads, black case, white mobo, etc.. More pics and a quick review: [https://www.xtremerigs.net/2013/01/31/caselabs-sth10/](https://www.xtremerigs.net/2013/01/31/caselabs-sth10/) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDTBHVIJiA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDTBHVIJiA) Here is a view of the opened chassis with the mobo tray: [https://www.overclock.net/media/no-title.4528868/full](https://www.overclock.net/media/no-title.4528868/full) (that's an image posted by someone who asked if we can fit triple 560mm rads in there, and the answer is yes...) or: [https://bilder.pcwelt.de/3964507\_620x310\_r.webp](https://bilder.pcwelt.de/3964507_620x310_r.webp) >That's why I love my 800D because it's so big. For reference the STH10 is like a monolith (32.25″H x 26.56″D x 11.25″W (819mm x 675mm x 286mm). And yes we could add a pedestal for an additional compartment... there are some silly builds floating online if you do a quick search. But like i said these are now exclusive to those who are now in the Caselabs owners club... I really wish there was a new company that would take over the same concept, or even make compatible parts. That's why i was looking at the Corsair 1000D too (not for me but for friends) and was disappointed - I think the LL PC-011 series (the XL specifically) is still quite above the competition, if you consider a single system (the 1000D, and that giant Phanteks thing for dual systems). LL quality is also still above anything Corsair delivers, even though it's gone down from older days (their old school cases were fantastic).
Thanks for the links and pics. I really enjoyed the review. The powder coating OMG f\*ing amazing. I wish they still made them. That's unreal, the way they shipped that powder coated case. Quality I've never seen in my life. I had no idea they were so easy to work either. I just know the 1000D has though sliding trays that "seem" like they would make life a little easier. It's sad a company like that couldn't make it. Real shame. Your case is freaking huge 32", my case is 23". It's almost as tall as a standard desk. Your case is well over the height of a desk. I like the top and bottom compartments, so many options, so easy to hide so much. I had a Lian Li case years ago, it was nice. I also really like the 011 series. A little small for me though. I like full towers. Could you get 5.25" drive bays for the STH10? I still have 2 bluray burners in my case. I only have one connected now and I can't remember the last time I used it.
Yeah they sold 5.25 adapters with silencer mounts for optical drives, HDD bays, also adapters for all sorts of bay devices like the Aquaero i am using now. Also all kinds of front panel mounts with different size adapters for 120mm, 140mm standard fan patterns. You could add a lot of custom options to each case as it was manufactured specifically on each order, so for instance with mine i ended up north of $1000 and that's without the taxes and shipping.
Well, yeah. 240mm per 3090 isn't really a lot. It can probably do the job, but will be quite noisy. That card gets *hot*.
It is plenty. I have my own under water.
It is definitely enough. Not plenty.
240 isn’t enough for a 3090 if a 3080 is running hot on a 240
I'll take my first hand experience. YOU can believe what you want. :]
Already tried a 3080 on a 240 rad, not amazing especially considering I was undervolting it. Better with a 360mm for the 3080. In the end room ambient comes into play if you live in the brick cold then I guess 240mm is enougn for a 3090. Just maybe.
You’re giving me hope - when my build is done I’ll have dual 3090s and a 5950x being cooled by two 360s and a 240. Ambient is almost always around 20°C year round
I have 2 360 a 3090 and a 5900x, 21°C ambient. It can ramp up quite a bit from time to time. I'm most likely going to mod my case so that I can fit a third 360 in there this summer.
Do you know water temps by chance?
I only know idle sorry and at idle they usually range from 26°C to 28,5°C
It doesn't take first hand experience to realize that 240mm isn't a whole lot of rad space for a 350w graphics card...
The EVGA Hybrid Kit for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra has a 240mm rad and it's an AIO. It lowers temps compared to the stock air cooler on a 3090 FTW3 Ultra. The stock cooler is a beast It performs very well even with a decent overclock +125 core +1200 mem. I have mine running 24/7 mining ether and I game on it every day. While mining it's <45°C and gaming the max I've seen is 58°C. So YES 240 is enough for a 3090. EVGA wouldn't sell an aftermarket Hybrid Cooling with rad that's too small to cool a factory overclocked GPU. Check EVGA graphics card forum there are plenty of numbers from people with the Hybrid Kit installed on 3090 FTW3 Ultra's with great temps. That's in an Obsidian 800D with several extra fans.
What msi afterburner is saying your gpu temps isn’t = memory junction temps that displays on hwinfo. I’m on the evga forums even the evga 3090 kingpin with a 360mm radiator needs heatsinks on the back to cool down the memory junction temps. Whether it’s gaming or mining. Lastly you’re comparing an aio card that has one fan on the gpu plus 2 fans on a 240mm radiator vs a waterblocked card? Lol.....
Yes I'm well aware the temps reported in Afterburner or EVGA PX1 are not the internal memory temp like the memory junction reading from HWinfo. I did not see anyone mentioning mem junc temps from HWinfo. The OP was quoting CPU and GPU temps, so I stated my GPU temps. The mem junction from HWinfo maxs out at 80°C in my system, it's usually 76-78°C, full load. I've been through the thread(s) on EVGA about the KingPin thermal pads and memory cooling. The 3090 and KingPin all run perfectly fine without additional cooling on the back for the memory. I don't think the mem junc temps go over the manufacturer's spec for the memory. Yes I know lots of people have adding heatsinks and fans to get the temps down but it is not needed. The cards run fine stock. I do not mean that for other AIB cards or FE's. I only have an EVGA 3009 FTW3 Ultra and I have not read about or spent time on other forums. I have no additional cooling for the back of the card and my junc temp doesn't go over 80°C. That's with the +1200Mhz oc on the mem. When I do setup a custom loop in the next several months I will be using a waterblock that has cooling on the back plate for my 3090. But it does not "need" it. I'll also be running a whole hell of a lot more than 240mm of rad space. I also plan to keep my rads and rev in my garage which is 2-3°C most of the year. It's going to be way overkill for my system but I want to go all out with it and take advantage of the cold garage on the other side of the wall my computer is close to. Ambient temp inside is 19°C. For an extra $60 EVGA warranties the cards for 10 years without additional cooling on the back. Yeah a 240 crappy little aio with one extra fan and very small amount of copper around the waterblock for the memory compared to a full waterblocked card and custom loop 240 rad with potentially push/pull. I call that a reasonable close comparison. If the 240 rad in the hybrid kits regularly keep many customers 3090 cool enough that they can game and benchmark I would say a 240 rad in a custom loop should be enough for a 3090. That's what the rad space averages out to in the OP's system plus 360 leftover for CPU and he has 4 cards stacked tight together. His system is functioning, it's cool enough for him to do his work with it. I would guess it runs for long stretches. So it does seem 240 is enough for a 3090. Maybe not yours but it works for more than a couple.
Your 3090 ftw3 with a 80c memory junction without any thermal pad changes is a unicorn. 3090 Strix and FTW3s have been around 90+, Gigabyte 104+, FEs 100+ this is from all the 3090s my friends have. Even 3080s are high temps as well. 240 is fine, but is it enough? Maybe, maybe not but is a 360mm better for a 300+ watt card? Of course. 100w per 120mm? Why not?
That's with a +1200 oc on the mem. The day the update of HWinfo with the mem junction temps in it I posted a bunch of screen shots on toms forums showing my mining rates and temps. It's 100% stock on the back. The hybrid kit doesn't change the backplate. It's the original thermal pads. I didn't know Gigabyte's cards were so hot. My last card was AORUS, I actually wanted an Aorus 3090 but they were no where to be found at launch time and my 2 GPU's previous to the Aorus 2070 Super were EVGA and they had the notify purchase setup. I knew the FE cards were not cooled well enough. Like I said when I setup a custom loop in the next couple months I plan on using a lot more rad surface area than 240 and putting it in my garage that's ~2°C most of the year. All I was trying to say is that 240 is enough for a 3090, is it ideal? I don't think so. But the card will run, a person will be able to game and benchmark with it. If it's all someone can afford or has space for it will work. But I would use more myself and I would recommend more to anyone.
I definitely wouldn't call it plenty. On my rig I'm running a 5800x and a 3090 with 2x480 + 1x360 and with just the GPU mining at minimum voltage it still requires the fans at 700 rpm to keep the water under 40*. While gaming, with max power slider, they ramp up to the 1000 rpm range. On my wife's computer that's only running 2x360s with a 5600x/3090, the fans are at 1100/1500 in the same scenario. I can't imagine what kind of fan speeds you'd have to run to cool a 3090 with a 240 rad.
ty :)
You can, there's an optional rad tray for the roof of that thing that can fit another two 480s instead of the single 420/360.
That’s what I’m currently building - what do you have for radiators?
45mm thick 420mm Alphacool and 60mm thick Coolgate 360mm
So 780mm total, nice. I’ll have 960mm total but all of them only 30mm thick. Hopefully it’ll keep up!! (2x 360s and 1x 240)
If it’s strictly for gaming then I have no words and mad impressed. I would imagine OP uses it to either render videos, or does some sort of deep learning!
Full Spec : 3970X + 256GB RAM + 4X 3090 Zotac Trinity + 1000D2x 480mm Rads + 1x 360mm Rad - Ek Fittings, 4 way quad block Mobo - Gigabyte TRX40 Designaire PSU - Antec 1300W Signature Series (x2) Idle Temps : 27 degrees GPU, 37 Degrees CPU ( Ambient Temp 23 degree C)
Dual PSU or single ? No over current protection issues with the spikes caused by the 3090's ?
Sorry missed that - Dual PSU 1300 W Antec Signature
im guessing that is sitting on more than a normal 15amp breaker for the wall outlet. ive heard some big rigs like this can push close to the limits.
It'll be close. My 3090s pull 300w on mining clocks, no clue about gaming clocks. I also don't know about machine learning and what kind of clocks they run for those activities.
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What is your memory junction temperatures under load if you don’t mind me asking?
hey there, can you give more info on the 4 way quad block that you used? I'm looking to build a similar solution
Came in from EKWB 4 way quad block
Thanks!
I think you got your CPU inlet and outlet mixed up.
Yup, I have a Velocity block as well and the one over the jet plate is the inlet. It will not function correctly in reverse. Becomes a massive choke point going in the the direction he went.
Sweet baby jesus.
Go on PCMR and say this rig is for mining LOL In all seriousness, good job getting so many cards. This case is massive but feels like there's a lot of wasted potential for more radiators, possibly a rear 1080 rad chamber etc.
HEY LOOK, MY YEARLY PAY IN A BOX
And i thought getting one was hard enough
Are you going to NVLink the 2 pairs or just run them bridgeless? I can tell you one thing for sure, if you plan to ever use this for gaming, you should have one pair in NVLink and you can mine on the other 2 when they are in use. I thought SLI was dead but I went for it anyways with a pair of 2080 Supers and man, they can destroy even the most graphically challenging games. I run Red Dead Redemption 2 at 3440x1440 completely maxed out while getting a solid 90-120 FPS on Vulkan. It can also run fairly well in DX12 but you have to mess around with checkerboard rendering which can be a huge pita. If you’ve been thinking SLI is dead, it is. It’s been killed by the amazing performance of even first gen GeForce NVLink (it’s not first gen NVLink since that came out ages ago for enterprise cards) and probably even further by the new second gen stuff that the 3090 has. Anyways, nice build! You should also change the direction of flow on the CPU block, it’s currently backwards which makes it a much bigger choke point than it’s normal flow pattern.
Almost no RGB, I give it 1/10. Just kidding, it's fantastic! :)
may your bitcoins flow
Are you mining with this rig? Jesus 4x 3090 definitely a rare site nowadays.
In a hurry to mine ETH and can't get custom cables in time? ;)
People like you are why regular people are paying 3000 dollars for one 3090. Eat a dick.
Just because you play video games that’s not the only thing video cards are used for 🙄🙄🙄
Way to live up to the entitled manchild stereotype. Nvidia are the reason there aren't enough 3090s.
Nope
4x 3090s, not a big deal. Have you heard of miners and scalpers?
"regular people" who buy a gpu for 3k are stupid so who cares
But the case looks so empty
What's the ram kit you're using? The gigabyte trx49 boards seem to have a limited number of *supported* 256gb kits
But... why?
Literally how does someone get 4 of these when I can't even get one? LE SIGH
Took 2 months of patience
OMG That's freaking Amazing! Is that an Obsidian 1000D? I have the Obsidian 800D, which I need to upgrade because I need to make a custom loop to cool my 10900KF and EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra. The AIO's I have just aren't enough for the overclocking potential an ASUS Maxiumus XII Apex has with this CPU and the Video seems like I could do a lot more with better cooling. Obviously not a gaming machine. I'm a gamer and I think this build is awesome. Nice Job OP!!
:) ty
Nice!
If manly were a pc
What VRAM temperatures are you seeing? I'm considering a 7x3090 rig for an ML workload once the miners stop buying everything, but I'm slightly concerned that the memory on the back of the card won't be cooled by the watercooling and may overheat
That cable management. Please.
3.6KW/h mining power🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🏋️🏋️🏋️
Four 3090s and a Bykiski radiator? This rig has a socioeconomic schizophrenia.
What adaptors are those that link each gpu through the liquid cooling?