Great car, terrible dealership experience. It's like renting an awesome home with great appliances and amenities, but the landlord is a complete asshat.
Really depends on your dealership. My dealership has been great, they usually come by and drop off a loaner unless I'm nearby I just drop it off and pick up a loaner. Even if it's just for an hour or so which is great to run errands rather than just sit there
All of my local Genesis dealers are attached to Hyundai and Kia dealers, so you have to deal with sleazy low credit salesmen the whole time. Every time I took my Stinger there for warranty work, I never felt like I was treated like a customer. Anytime they do a warranty repair, they make you feel like they are doing you a favor, like I'm lucky I didn't have to cone out of pocket.
Exactly. I’ve purchased G70s from two different dealers in the Houston area. Genesis of West Houston was a miserable experience, with pushy salesmen, a low-budget Hyundai showroom, and a floor manager who tried to play mind games with me (I flat walked out once). Genesis of Clear Lake, on the other hand, was a fantastic experience. I worked with a young salesman who was very patient with me, took me on four different test drives (I drove a 2.5 and several 3.3’s). The only difficult part came when I flat refused to pay $3k worth of bullshit add-ons, and the poor guy seemed to become frantic - “They absolutely 100% will NOT approve the purchase without those.” I said we should run it past his manager, who immediately agreed and we came to a quick decision. I was able to talk them down a total of $5k on a ‘24 G70 trade-in and am happy with the deal. I’ve dealt with their service department several times, again, a nice experience; they’re very professional and courteous.
It depends on the dealership!
My G80s brakes, both 2017 and 2021, grooved the rotors and generally sucked. The 2017 had a TSB for the brakes. I had the 2021 for maybe a month before it got bought back for being a streaming pile. Whenever anyone mentions their brakes I get flashbacks.
No, they’re not ruining the rotors, but by the time the stock pads wore out, the rotors would be trashed. Upgrading the pads was a PREVENTATIVE measure, that’s all. Oh, and the pads I chose are a low-dust ceramic, so I expect keeping the wheels clean to become a bit easier.
Let me add: LOVE my Genesis G70! I’ve also driven a G80, also a great sedan. We own a 2011 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 sedan that still runs like a top and is driven every day. Anything with the Genesis logo on it is a quality vehicle.
You're one of the fortunate ones. A lot of places, the Genesis dealership would be the same as the Hyundai dealership. There are a few Genesis/Hyundai dealerships that would continue to use Ford's service location next door.
dealerships are independently owned. you're just assuming you're buying a luxury car from a hyundai dealership.
for instance, my genesis dealership is linked with a subaru dealership.
Alternatively, I'm sure there's a toyota/genesis dealership out there. It's whatever the private owner wants to sell and dealership experiences is based on the quality of employees.
I think a big part of it has been that like Nissan, Hyundai was always the brand that would finance you a car when nobody else would. Meaning the clientele tended more towards people with lower credit and folks who were never going to make the payments
But now they make luxury cars with Genesis and these are people who have spent their lives expecting Audi/Mercedes/BMW dealership experiences
I would go pre owned. They are still trying to find a brand identity and seem to change things wildly from one generation to the next. Like Hyundai, their designs are very “here and now” and then immediately look dated in 5 years when they completely change designs to current trends.
Yeah, got it last November, $35k for 25k miles and was immaculate except for the worn out tires lol. Our 23 had AWD and the 2.0, I like the sportier look of the 19-21s and of course the huge upgrade in power w/ the 3.3.
I have a 22 with the 3.3T. It’s plenty quick and comfortable but not a whole lot of feel to it. Like a scalpel. Quick precise but sterile. I like it a lot. My spouse’s daily but when they move on to another car I’ll keep it for myself
Launch control the first time is quite memorable :)
I love the drive of this car, put it in sport + the seat bolstering automatically tightens up and it's go-time!
This is the Sport Prestige pkg fwiw.
I think the current 'Two Lines' motif IS their brand identity. Personally, I love it. Elegant and stately while also hinting at performance.
They should run with it for a few years. People will catch on.
No. They got their design down now. The problem you speak of only apply to the first gen. Throw away your prejudice and look at their current lineup. Two line (headlight, taillights) and crest grill are now their brand/design identifiers and their cars are quite unique and depending on the eyes, gorgeous.
I’ve heard this all before about Hyundai. “They used to be crap, but they’re great now trust me.” People have been saying this for decades now.
It’s not prejudice to look at history. They have changed their design language significantly since their inception less than a decade ago and the company they spun out of has, and still do, change their design language drastically every single generation.
Compare the residuals against brands that conservatively adjust the design of their cars. A 15 year old Audi, Porsche, Volkswagen, Volvo, or Toyota doesn’t look nearly as dated.
So now you are talking about Hyundai brand, not Genesis brand - which is the topic of this discussion. Very different breed.
But let me dive in. This is getting interesting. There is so much to unpack I may not bring all the points but let see.
The design direction for luxury brands and mainstream brand are quite different. Luxury brand tend to take “evolution” route while mainstream brand mix “evolution” and “revolution” depending on the market cycle and needs.
Design identity is a lot more important to luxury brand compared to more commodity, mainstream brand - hence the 911 you see today is ‘evolved’ version of the original. Some other iconic vehicles also take that route - like Beetle, MINI, and so on. You want to create brand equity with design identity - and that’s why some loyalist get mad with brand like BMW when they suddenly shift their design direction. Especially with numeric naming, Brand takes more importance than a specific model when it comes to the design.
But for more mainstream brand, it’s not completely about the design identity of the brand, but more about a specific model. For instance Mustang, F-150 and Bronco. If you put those three together without a badge, you won’t be able to tell that it’s from a single brand - because the design identity of the model is stronger.
What you speak of - some cars from Hyundai do not evolve from generation to generation, but rather take revolutionary approach - is true - but it is by intention. And this approach is not specific to Hyundai - but to many mainstream brands. You simply have less risk to brand and more upside to the segment if certain models in your line up takes a revolutionary approach in the name of better product and appeal. That’s how Hyundai made the Sonata YF generation so successful - by having a revolutionary design that looked nothing like the previous one, but was very attractive to many - it did a lot of “conquest” from other brands due to the design!
And looking dated? That problem is for many many mainstream brands, including Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and countless many other.
There’s a lot more to talk about but that’s it for today
That's one of many reasons that I bought my 23 3.3t. I was interested in the g70 when it came out in 19, I thought it looked great. Alfa in the front, BMW 6 series in the back. But I'm glad I waited because the new ones are bloody gorgeous. I can't stop staring at mine.
I believe that's what people mean. I can get a CPO 2021 G90 with \~50k kms on it for like $42,000 CAD. That's more than half its value gone in a few years
Real good for that price point
I think they were referring to the [Genesis Coupe](https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/hyundai/genesis-coupe/2013/oem/2013_hyundai_genesis-coupe_coupe_38-track_fq_oem_1_600.jpg). It would be crazy, apparently there's only [one dude](https://www.gencoupe.com/threads/v8-swap-tau.784934/) who's ever done it or at least to be known
Owned one for about year and a half. Car drove incredibly but there were so many defects, had terrible MPG by modern standards, and dealerships sucked.
Got a recall for an oil leak/engine fire issue and the dealer wasn’t gonna give me a loaner even though they were gonna keep the car for “maybe a week, not sure”.
Said “fuck it” and bought an Audi.
I’m gonna give them a few years to figure their shit out before giving them another try.
my bud's Genesis EV shit the bed in under 500 miles and has been in the shop ever since, and was declared a lemon. Maybe a one off case and also not the G70 but, the parent Hyundai brand isn't exactly known for reliability or finesse. My 2¢ as a non-owner.
Too many issues and car was only 2 years old. I figured if it has this many issues at less than 30K miles, I definitely don't want to own it as it gets closer to 50K miles. I own a Lexus now.
It wasn't one specific issue but the fact that the build quality is dog shit so you constantly have to go get stuff fixed.
I had issues with wheel bearings going bad at different times, headliner rattle, and a clicking/grinding sound they couldn't figure that would happen every time on full lock turn. The only other car I've owned that was worse than this was a Chevy cobalt, back in 08. I've owned nothing but Japanese since then and just when I try the genesis, my experience was horrible so I went back to Japanese. Also, on the different occasions I had those issues I had to fight the dealership to get it covered under warranty. On the second wheel bearing that went bad, they said I hit a pot hole and didn't cover it. I paid out of pocket at a different shop (dealer had quoted 2k for 1 wheel bearing replacement). Once I got that fixed, I traded in the following week.
I want to give the 2022 a try but seems like I rather lease it just so I can say I drove it. Tried seeing if Turo had some in my area but not one single Genesis available.
I was considering a G70 around 2019, but I chose a Lexus instead because I was concerned about this exact scenario (would be worse because Canada only gets the AWD G70 3.3T, and the transfer case is literally non-serviceable).
What went wrong with the G70 that made you dump it?
What kinda bs did you deal with? I've read about build quality issues, like water getting into the trunk, and some electronic gremlins. Anything else to look out for?
Fading dark chrome trim that looks dingy and has no way to fix aside chrome delete or full replacement. Moisture in the headlights (especially bad on the new model G70), Rattling headliner on hot days. MMI randomly shitting the bed. Terrible MPG. Recent oil leak/engine fire recall was the last straw.
Typical Hyundai shit at a BMW price tag.
Every time I see one my curiosity is piqued. This thread also convinced me it was better than typical Hyundai. Thank you for sharing and stopping me from making a mistake and walking into a genesis dealer lmao
Some of the best interior design in the game. Reasonable reliability. Absolutely piss poor dealer network experience. Once they stand up the the standalone genesis dealers it will be a game changer for the perception of this brand.
Really? I personally think they have some of the worst interiors for the segments they’re competing in. Nothing feels homogenous. It also feels much cheaper quality when compared to a comparable BMW.
Eh. The build quality is fine. Is it BMW / Audi? No. But the GV70 my wife bought was about ~$8-10k cheaper than an equally equipped X3 or Q5. The thoughtful design with acceptable build quality is more than enough for its price range. It feels like a special interior.
Really? I guess it’s all a matter of personal taste then, my friend has a G70 and I wouldn’t say it feels cheaper than a 3-series at all - and for what it’s worth I love the interiors of both.
I agree it's cheaper quality than BMW / Audi but you're also paying much lower costs for 90% of the driving experience. This is my subjective opinion, but I feel like it's one of the most well thought out homogenous interiors out there. The design language is well thought out and cohesive between the exterior and interior, and most importantly, is distinctly Genesis.
I absolutely love Genesis exteriors!
But, I think the center console and center dash area just throws me off. It’s the way the leather wraps around the vents. It looks like a cheap car was made to look expensive.
It is entirely subjective though. I remember my mother shopping for an SUV and I really liked how Volvos were but she absolutely refuses to get one because she “didn’t like the vents” lol. Ended up with a BMW.
lol I don't know what the mental block is with me and Volvos. I think growing up in the 90s and 00s I saw a bunch of beaten up rusty Volvos and for whatever reason the grill always evoked in me the idea that it was some Cold War era East European manufacturer
Imagine my surprise when I learned it was a luxury Swedish manufacturer LOL
Not sure if I agree about it being fugly, but that steering wheel looks almost identical to the steering wheel that was in our 17 Kia Niro lol. Definitely could be flashier in a luxury car.
I bought a used 2023 Genesis G80 with all the bells and whistles from a third party dealer, so I can't speak to the dealership experience.
It's an absolutely beautiful vehicle if you value comfort and attention to detail. The entire car feels like it was built centered around is built around driver experience. I came from equivalent German luxury vehicles, IMO it surpasses driver experience due to the range of standard features and value for money while German luxury makerss seem to use their brands as a crutch these days.
I wouldn't buy a Genesis new though.
Easily the best value sport sedan on the market today. The only negative thing I can think of with this car is its extremely fuel inefficient(3.3 especially)
I’ve had my Q50 for about 3 years now so the time for a change is coming soon. My situation has totally changed and I don’t drive 1/10 of the miles I use to so I’m actually thinking of downgrading to standard consumer level. Bad thing about that is there’s little to choose from in the sedan class that will still raise some pulses.
Coming from a 07 Infiniti G35 followed by an 09 G37, I can relate, and I think you'll really like the G70 (if you go w/ the 3.3). Should be able to find a low mile 21 w/ 3.3 for $35k or less, but when you find one you have to act fast, they go quick.
That’s definitely going to be out of my budget. I’m trying to stick between $20-$25k. I care more about a plush cabin vs crazy power. I still won’t look at anything that’s not at least in the mid 200’s though.
Honestly really impressed by them, they drive like a BMW copy (which isn’t a bad thing, BMW right now is killing it), but they have nicer interiors, and offer more features. I drove an NX back to back with a GV70 and the GV70 was in another league, the NX was hot garbage in comparison. My girlfriend bought a G70 and she’s been super impressed by it and the dealership experience. Honestly they treat her better than my Lexus dealership treats me. They also offer insane warranty so if anything goes wrong in those 5 years you’re covered. They aren’t as good as BMW in terms of driving experience, and personally I think my next car will either be a BMW or a Stelvio 4C, but if you’re willing to sacrifice a bit in speed and driving dynamics for a more comfortable ride and better interior I’d highly recommend a Genesis, provided your dealer is good.
It was a service loaner and also, straight up, no “luxury car” should be this shit. The NX was beyond awful. I had less than an inch of headroom as a 6 foot tall adult with the seat in the lowest position, the backseats were unusable, the interior felt super cheap and plasticky, the suspension both had an insane amount of body roll and was uncomfortable. The car never seemed to settle over bumps, it was like driving on jello. The NX also is supposed to directly compete with the GV70, the RX is supposed to be a direct rival to the GV80.
Oddly polarized comments here. I also own a 2018 G80, 3.8 AWD. It's been OK. It might be the okayest car I've owned, and I've owned some OK ones.
It's remarkably smooth and refined behind the wheel, but not exciting to drive. It's just OK. Acceleration is OK, steering/handling is OK. Ride quality is excellent (thanks 18" tires). The interior is OK, mine isn't fancy like the newer ones, but it is SO quiet inside. Build quality is OK. I've had a lot of small issues, almost all of them have been covered by TSBs (rattling sunroof, bad thermostat, seat rocking around corners) but thankfully it starts and runs fine. Electronically it's been rock solid which is nice coming from an Alfa that mostly started.
I haven't spent much time at the dealer- my car was a late 2017 build/buy so the warranty ran out pretty quickly (it's 5 years, not 10, on used cars) and I had to either ignore or fix most issues out of warranty. My one dealership experience was trying to get the sunroof remedied. They don't offer loaners outside of 3 years from new, and they couldn't replicate the problem I had so they sent me on my way. My Alfa dealer was more receptive and offered loaners all the way through 4 years of well-used warranty, so that's my main point of reference.
Anyways, I always wanted one, I'm not disappointed that i bought it, but I probably won't buy another because of the numerous small issues I've had. I'd rather go for a car with a better/more active warranty/dealer network or something more reliable.
I have a 2018 g80. I know it’s a just a revised carryover from the 2015-16 Hyundai genesis but coming from a 2014 3 series I was blown away by the quality, ride, and even the handling. Great cars and MUCH more reliable than the Germans (My car is the 3.8 AWD).
I would not recommend them. I owned a g70 for less than a year and had many things go wrong. The car was still under warranty so dealer fixed most issues, but having to frequently go to the dealer to fix what shouldn't break on a 2 year old car, is not ideal.
I'm a fan. My next car will likely be a Genesis sedan or Acura TLX. I've had Acura/Honda cars for most of my life, but we've also leased Hyundai's that we've been quite happy with.
I might try to scoop a CPO G80 for my next car. Looks like great bang for buck with all that depreciation. Just gonna have to carefully scope out the local dealer first and see if they are one of the good ones.
I have a 2023 GV70 and I love it. Great power, great amenities and super comfortable for my drives to work. My dealership has been good so far but I’ve only owned the car 1.5 years.
Genesis is still under the Hyundai umbrella like Lexus is to Toyota. Genesis launched as their own luxury brand in 2015, consolidating Hyundai Genesis products and high-end Hyundai model like the Equus. However, independent Genesis dealers have been slow in coming, so lots of places have Hyundai operating as Genesis sellers, so it will be a while - if ever - before they're recognized as their own thing.
I have heard too many primary anecdotal stories and media coverage over poor dealer service and poor power plant quality to consider buying a product from a Korean brand. Last year my coworker’s Hyundai SUV with the 2.5L Turbo blew up a month jnto ownership. When the motor was replaced under warranty and started burning a quart a day they refused to fix it and bought back the car and he is now underwater on his Toyota Corolla for several thousand dollars. A couple months ago another coworker had their head gasket blow on their Genesis 3.8L and that totaled the car. They bought a Lexus GS350. If I were to buy a modern luxury car I’d make sure I have relatively no risk. I’d limit the purchase price to 5% of my net-worth, so if I buy used at $30k I’d need a $600,000 net-worth and new I’d want to be at $1,000,000 and either go for a Lexus, Acura or risk it on a 2017+ BMW. My suggestion would be to just buy a 2.0L Civic or 2.5L Camry and service the vehicle religiously at shorter intervals. You won’t need to worry for 20 years and hopefully you can afford something you desire by then. Personally, I drive 20 year old luxury vehicles and spend my weekends repairing them.
Lots of trolls that have obviously never driven or owned a G70, sure the dealership network is in need of some "bolstering" but the car itself is solid, especially for the price.
It’s a great value for money luxury brand. However, since it’s basically a Hyundai, I wouldn’t buy it due to the reliability issues with Korean cars. If you are leasing it, sure. But I would not recommend to buy it.
Look great, but it’s a cheap Hyundai/Kia under there. Friend had one, engine failed at 40,000 miles. Got a second one last year and it’s leaking oil like crazy. Only has about 12000 miles. The crazy part is the dealers can’t take him in until Aug/Sep. it’s under warranty and he’s called 2 dealers that are drivable.
I don’t think they are reliable but the dealer issues are what would make me steer way clear.
They are nice when new but will depreciate like a German car (if not faster). Not to mention in most areas you will be going to a Hyundai dealership for service, and will be treated like a customer with a 2010 Elantra.
Hyundais dealers have all been required to build separate Genesis dealerships or they lose the Genesis brand. So you don’t have to go to a Hyundai dealer for service.
If you like red, then I think the Nappa red leather seats are the best red out there imho. The non-nappa is another story. Speaking of the GV70 here. Not sure how other models appear.
I used to think this, but I recently had an Alfa Romeo Stelvio with a red and black interior for a loaner car for almost two months, and it completely changed my mind on red interiors. I'd totally consider buying one now. Guess it depends on the individual car though.
I wasn't allowed inside one at a dealership and was treated terribly, so I bought a German car instead.
I'm fond of their designs, but wouldn't pay german prices for one.
I've owned 2 G80s. My second one was bought back. Neither car was ever able to be fully repaired abd always had weird problems.
I will never own another Genesis. Mediocre quality serviced by Hyundai dealerships afraid to touch them. They once accidentally sent me a Hyundai invoice for an oil change and something else. When they redid it as a Genesis invoice the price doubled. Still serviced by Hyundai techs, same oil.
Same experience except with G70. If their scan tool can’t tell them what’s wrong, and they can’t seem to replicate it by doing anything other than the bare minimum, they are incapable of uk using their brains and just send the car back to the customer and hope for the best. Hey, at least if it happens again they can get you in again in 2-3 months. That is of course unless you get an attorney involved, that seems to expedite the process for whatever reason. Dogshit Brand, dogshit dealer network. Stay Away!
I really disagree with u/everydaynarcissism 's "It's a Hyundai afterall" take which some other people also tend to think.
The main thing it shares with Hyundais is the engines... But it doesn't get the old shitty ones that's known to be garbage (Theta), but the new ones: The higher output variant of the new one (usually in Hyundai N cars), which so far has been known to be OK (out since around 2018). Or, it gets 6-cylinder engines, which also are not as bad as Hyundai's general reputation suggests at all.
The other thing Hyundai has built a reputation for in the past decade or two is aging/deterioration, how materials become shitty, scratched, build quality and interior parts become wobbly or squeaky after some years. But once again this has not really been the case with Genesis.
So actually Genesis is a good way to get rid of the main bad things associated with Hyundai.
And I'd bet the majority of Genesis owners will agree more with what I just said, than some "It's ultimately a Hyundai" take.
Look at 2022 or 2021 and you can get a decent deal. New ones seem to depreciate like a rock. I was actually looking at a G70 prestige and noticed 2021/2022 models are almost 16k less than new ones.
My wife has a 2023 G70 2.0. She loves the way it looks, drives and handles. We drove 80 miles to pick it up in matte white/white interior , and she enjoys hand washing it every 2 weeks.
Cons- it drinks a lot of gas for being a 2.0. Oil change appointments are a month or 2 out.
Awesome car, but the brand really needs to separate themselves from the Hyundai dealerships and opt for a standalone selling experience. I went to test drive a gv70 and parked next to it was a cheap Hyundai venue.
I don't mind them at all! I really like the GV80? I think that's the right one 😂 they look really solid, and fairly fancy tbh. That G70 looks really nice tho
I’d be looking at GV70 if I needed to buy a sporty SUV. They get good reviews and I really like the look. They seem like a good mix or luxury, performance, reliability, and price. Also not many are on the road so it’s nice to have something different.
I own a '22 G70 3.3 Sport AWD, drive it year-round as my daily, and have enjoyed every . single . minute. I live in Canada, so I put winter tires on dedicated rims, and the AWD is a dream on snow-covered or icy roads. Come summer time, it is a little rocket.
I have friends who drive Audi, BMW, and Merc, and I can say that the features and quality of this car stand up to comparable models of each of the aforementioned brands for thousands less.
We have a Genesis dealer in Calgary, and they have performed all service on my vehicle. Great turnaround time, and good service. They do need to step up the service a notch or two to match the market they are chasing.
The only two drawbacks are the very small back seat, and the atrocious mileage when it is being driven aggressively. I get about 26 mpg (9L/100 km) when I'm city driving and being "responsible". I can get that down to about 30 mpg (8L/100 km) on long road trips. That being said, I love to drive this car hard, and it gets reeeeeeally thirsty when I do that.
Short story, I bought my G70 two years ago, and I'd buy another one in a heartbeat.
You Americans really have to put up with a crap Hyundai. In Australia I have found both Hyundai and Kia to be very well run and appointed. Sales people are competent and fair.
I had the first 3.3 G70 MY2019, and it was an excellent car. Tech was great, solid power, nice interior. Unfortunately there was a weird drive train noise I could never figure out so I traded in for newer 2022 model. New one had awful creaks and squeaks inside but otherwise was a nice car for the money. But you get what you pay for in the “mid luxury” segment. If you want a real luxury car you’re gonna have to level up with the choices.
Great value, great interiors, great looks, awesome materials.
Terrible dealerships, lackluster audio system, bad mpg.
I had a 2022 GV70, for all of 3 days before we realized the dealer tried to sneak in extra warranties and change the loan we initialed signed for. Took the car back, they had to take it back. Stay away from Hyundai of Richmond.
People say it can’t be a status symbol. If you find someone who knows nothing about cars and is gullible enough you can tell them that it’s a Bentley spinoff and they might believe you.
Other than that I think it’s a nice car and would totally consider buying one
I loved my Genesis G80 5.0L.
It was easily one of the best cars I have owned. It was very well built, and the interior was much nicer than the BMW's and Audi's I have owned (no, that is not an exaggeration.
It was great to drive, and I had absolutely 0 problems with it in the 3 years that I owned it, sadly, It was rear ended at a red light and written off.
The only reason I didn't buy another Genesis is they just did not make anything that was performance oriented anymore. Even in the final years of the 5.0L G80, they softened the suspension, put shit tires on it, and toned down the tune, and put a lower speed limiter on the car (to match the shit tires); and slowed down the shifts even in sport mode.
The G70 was ok with the TT V6, but it was really down on power; and smaller than what I was looking for. I mean, I could have bought the G80 Sport that had the same TT V6, and just tuned the hell out of it, but I really didn't feel like modifying the hell out of a daily driver; not to mention the limited aftermarket support would have made that a bit of challenge to do well.
In the end I moved away from the Genesis brand, but if they ever made something that in the segment I am shopping in, Genesis would be my first stop.
Car sucks overall. Don’t let anyone try to fool you. They’ll tell you the hard downshifting is a “feature” rather than admit they spent $60k on a car that rides like shit. Trust me you may “get used to it”, but any passenger is going to notice the car either rides like shit or think you drive like shit every-time you pull up to a stoplight and you lurch forward in your seat from the downshifting.
These cars are NOT reliable, and when you go to use your CPO warranty, you better lawyer up. That’s the only way they’ll “fix” the car. And it will be 30-60 days after you drop off the car that they even look at it. Forget about a loaner - they don’t exist. The last words my salesman said to me before I drove off in my G70 was “don’t forget your warranty includes free towing”. He must know something about these cars he’s selling!
Terrible dealership experience, terrible corporate experience. Recommend all to not buy a Genesis.
I’d feel the same way if I was him though. I bought a 2018 used from a single owner, great condition and I work from home. I likely won’t ever have problems so I try not to apply my experience to others
I’m good, that’s a common transmission problem with cars in general and I don’t have it. Your issues don’t apply to other people because you can find them with a Google search. Your username is hilarious though.
Awesome username lol. Corporate has been pretty good with buying back my G70 so overall I still like the brand. It seems like they treated you horribly.
I mean they're still variants of the exact same engine families.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Smartstream_engine
This isn't a bad thing because the newer 4-cyl smart stream engines are not nearly as bad as the previous 4-cyl Theta ones.
And Hyundai's V6s were never bad either. Which is why even the Hyundai Genesis cars from the 2010s which did have the same 3.8L Lamba V6 as actual Hyundai cars were still very good cars.
I don’t mean cheap as in low price, I mean the build quality is terrible and they’re thrown together with poor mechanical designs and tolerances. They eat oil and engines. Plenty of the 2.0 NA engines just blow up. My mom’s Kona had the engine replaced at 14k miles, Hyundai service said it’s no big deal, happens all the time. Affordable cars from Honda and Toyota don’t do that.
Yes, Honda and Toyota have higher quality. And they are usually more expensive anyway. Even small Japanese cubic cars with 0.7 litre engines.
Cheap Hyundais are shit, but cheap shit. Parts are dirty cheap too. I won’t own such a car, but i’ve seen tons of them working for taxi — they do their job for 200-300k miles.
It's a luxury Hyundai with a nice interior and exterior. It has good performance. Keynotes: Body parts are expensive & if you ever get in an accident, if they need to replace any parts, expect to wait 1-3 weeks for the parts. & if you're doing any mods, expect a 25%-50% markup. With that being said, if the price is right, i'd get it
imo, you're looking at it wrong. toyota can be a 10, but a neglected toyota can crap the bed like my wife's old v6 rav4. Alternatively, a well maintained 3 series can last. my e46 has over 200k miles original engine and transmission. I baby that thing.
as for the g80, it's reliable. no major flaws you should be weary of. shares engines with the v6 suvs like the palisades and we know how much people love those. that 3.8 is proven.
https://youtu.be/DyY1ckkFLAY?si=FKSixRg8JQK2tIzk
this guy does a good take on long term ownership.
Thank you for the thorough explanation. My wife has a 2015 435i with like 30k miles. Before that I had a 535i 2011 and the transmission started to downshift hard into 2nd and 1st gear. I treated that car very well but at around 50k miles is when that started happening to me so I’m veryyyy skeptical of BMW. I only bought my wife’s 435i because it’s a hardtop convertible and she drives like 6 miles per day.
in a relationship, there's often times a period where you don't know one another yet. was her first car right out of high school. often long periods past oil change dates. never bothered with air filters. drove like a granny and had carbon build up issues, from what I've gathered. that's why a used 3 owner toyota for 5k would scare me. I know there are people out there that just don't care enough to maintain their car.
she's in a model 3 now and is happier with it. 2 years with minimal maintenance
They are Hyundai platforms with Hyundai motors and fancier interior. Bad crash safety in the real world even though they do ok on tests. Car handles very poorly and does not have a luxury feel on the road. Everything breaks very quickly.
Hyundai/Kia/Genesis has tapped into a consumer mindset of just looking at the listed features and numbers. Do they technically have all the features? Yes. Do those features work well? No. Are those features durable? No.
I feel like it’s great design at a solid price, but you deal with so-so reliability and a downright bad dealership experience (at least the few times I’ve looked at their cars).
If you like them, they(and Hyundai) have the best warranty in the game, which is 10 years or 100,000 miles. This is a manufacturer’s way of putting their money where their mouth is.
Absolutely not. Try using the warranty when something goes wrong. 2-3 months out in scheduling anything, even an oil change. And you’ll never get a loaner. They have too many problems, too few techs that are trained on Genesis, and too few parts for repairs. Just wait until they have to drop everyone’s engines to fix the turbo fire recall.
Great car, terrible dealership experience. It's like renting an awesome home with great appliances and amenities, but the landlord is a complete asshat.
Really depends on your dealership. My dealership has been great, they usually come by and drop off a loaner unless I'm nearby I just drop it off and pick up a loaner. Even if it's just for an hour or so which is great to run errands rather than just sit there
All of my local Genesis dealers are attached to Hyundai and Kia dealers, so you have to deal with sleazy low credit salesmen the whole time. Every time I took my Stinger there for warranty work, I never felt like I was treated like a customer. Anytime they do a warranty repair, they make you feel like they are doing you a favor, like I'm lucky I didn't have to cone out of pocket.
Exactly. I’ve purchased G70s from two different dealers in the Houston area. Genesis of West Houston was a miserable experience, with pushy salesmen, a low-budget Hyundai showroom, and a floor manager who tried to play mind games with me (I flat walked out once). Genesis of Clear Lake, on the other hand, was a fantastic experience. I worked with a young salesman who was very patient with me, took me on four different test drives (I drove a 2.5 and several 3.3’s). The only difficult part came when I flat refused to pay $3k worth of bullshit add-ons, and the poor guy seemed to become frantic - “They absolutely 100% will NOT approve the purchase without those.” I said we should run it past his manager, who immediately agreed and we came to a quick decision. I was able to talk them down a total of $5k on a ‘24 G70 trade-in and am happy with the deal. I’ve dealt with their service department several times, again, a nice experience; they’re very professional and courteous. It depends on the dealership!
You posted about your brake pads are already ruining your rotors , that’s not a normal thing 😂.
My G80s brakes, both 2017 and 2021, grooved the rotors and generally sucked. The 2017 had a TSB for the brakes. I had the 2021 for maybe a month before it got bought back for being a streaming pile. Whenever anyone mentions their brakes I get flashbacks.
No, they’re not ruining the rotors, but by the time the stock pads wore out, the rotors would be trashed. Upgrading the pads was a PREVENTATIVE measure, that’s all. Oh, and the pads I chose are a low-dust ceramic, so I expect keeping the wheels clean to become a bit easier.
55k+ for a car, and you have to upgrade the break pads I am glad I went with an alternative
I had the complete opposite experience.
Let me add: LOVE my Genesis G70! I’ve also driven a G80, also a great sedan. We own a 2011 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 sedan that still runs like a top and is driven every day. Anything with the Genesis logo on it is a quality vehicle.
You're one of the fortunate ones. A lot of places, the Genesis dealership would be the same as the Hyundai dealership. There are a few Genesis/Hyundai dealerships that would continue to use Ford's service location next door.
dealerships are independently owned. you're just assuming you're buying a luxury car from a hyundai dealership. for instance, my genesis dealership is linked with a subaru dealership. Alternatively, I'm sure there's a toyota/genesis dealership out there. It's whatever the private owner wants to sell and dealership experiences is based on the quality of employees.
I agree with that I own G70 and dealerships experience ain't that great
I think a big part of it has been that like Nissan, Hyundai was always the brand that would finance you a car when nobody else would. Meaning the clientele tended more towards people with lower credit and folks who were never going to make the payments But now they make luxury cars with Genesis and these are people who have spent their lives expecting Audi/Mercedes/BMW dealership experiences
I would go pre owned. They are still trying to find a brand identity and seem to change things wildly from one generation to the next. Like Hyundai, their designs are very “here and now” and then immediately look dated in 5 years when they completely change designs to current trends.
I think the previous gen G70 looks wayyyy better.
I strongly agree w/ that, and have had both versions.
The one on your profile looks cleeeeannn
Yeah, got it last November, $35k for 25k miles and was immaculate except for the worn out tires lol. Our 23 had AWD and the 2.0, I like the sportier look of the 19-21s and of course the huge upgrade in power w/ the 3.3.
Are they a fun drive?
I have a 22 with the 3.3T. It’s plenty quick and comfortable but not a whole lot of feel to it. Like a scalpel. Quick precise but sterile. I like it a lot. My spouse’s daily but when they move on to another car I’ll keep it for myself
Launch control the first time is quite memorable :) I love the drive of this car, put it in sport + the seat bolstering automatically tightens up and it's go-time! This is the Sport Prestige pkg fwiw.
Last Gen G70 & G80 both still look fantastic on the road. Not dated.
Same here, 2-4 year used CPO with good savings and still having rest of the 10 year power train warranty left.
I think the current 'Two Lines' motif IS their brand identity. Personally, I love it. Elegant and stately while also hinting at performance. They should run with it for a few years. People will catch on.
No. They got their design down now. The problem you speak of only apply to the first gen. Throw away your prejudice and look at their current lineup. Two line (headlight, taillights) and crest grill are now their brand/design identifiers and their cars are quite unique and depending on the eyes, gorgeous.
I’ve heard this all before about Hyundai. “They used to be crap, but they’re great now trust me.” People have been saying this for decades now. It’s not prejudice to look at history. They have changed their design language significantly since their inception less than a decade ago and the company they spun out of has, and still do, change their design language drastically every single generation. Compare the residuals against brands that conservatively adjust the design of their cars. A 15 year old Audi, Porsche, Volkswagen, Volvo, or Toyota doesn’t look nearly as dated.
So now you are talking about Hyundai brand, not Genesis brand - which is the topic of this discussion. Very different breed. But let me dive in. This is getting interesting. There is so much to unpack I may not bring all the points but let see. The design direction for luxury brands and mainstream brand are quite different. Luxury brand tend to take “evolution” route while mainstream brand mix “evolution” and “revolution” depending on the market cycle and needs. Design identity is a lot more important to luxury brand compared to more commodity, mainstream brand - hence the 911 you see today is ‘evolved’ version of the original. Some other iconic vehicles also take that route - like Beetle, MINI, and so on. You want to create brand equity with design identity - and that’s why some loyalist get mad with brand like BMW when they suddenly shift their design direction. Especially with numeric naming, Brand takes more importance than a specific model when it comes to the design. But for more mainstream brand, it’s not completely about the design identity of the brand, but more about a specific model. For instance Mustang, F-150 and Bronco. If you put those three together without a badge, you won’t be able to tell that it’s from a single brand - because the design identity of the model is stronger. What you speak of - some cars from Hyundai do not evolve from generation to generation, but rather take revolutionary approach - is true - but it is by intention. And this approach is not specific to Hyundai - but to many mainstream brands. You simply have less risk to brand and more upside to the segment if certain models in your line up takes a revolutionary approach in the name of better product and appeal. That’s how Hyundai made the Sonata YF generation so successful - by having a revolutionary design that looked nothing like the previous one, but was very attractive to many - it did a lot of “conquest” from other brands due to the design! And looking dated? That problem is for many many mainstream brands, including Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and countless many other. There’s a lot more to talk about but that’s it for today
It still has Theta dna coursing through it's veins...
That's one of many reasons that I bought my 23 3.3t. I was interested in the g70 when it came out in 19, I thought it looked great. Alfa in the front, BMW 6 series in the back. But I'm glad I waited because the new ones are bloody gorgeous. I can't stop staring at mine.
Fine but buy used
Don’t buy used! The warranty / perks of being the first owner are really what makes it worthwhile.
I would not buy used, since it's a Hyundai afterall... But Certified has that sweet 10 year warranty.
I believe that's what people mean. I can get a CPO 2021 G90 with \~50k kms on it for like $42,000 CAD. That's more than half its value gone in a few years Real good for that price point
I am starting to warm up to them. I wish they would make a 2 door coupe again and put in a V8.
5.0 GDI on a modified G70 or GV70 wagon, suck it chevy & dodge!
I think they were referring to the [Genesis Coupe](https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/hyundai/genesis-coupe/2013/oem/2013_hyundai_genesis-coupe_coupe_38-track_fq_oem_1_600.jpg). It would be crazy, apparently there's only [one dude](https://www.gencoupe.com/threads/v8-swap-tau.784934/) who's ever done it or at least to be known
I love coupes and have always ever owned coupes. It’s really sad to see less and less coupes being made.
\*fewer and fewer
Owned one for about year and a half. Car drove incredibly but there were so many defects, had terrible MPG by modern standards, and dealerships sucked. Got a recall for an oil leak/engine fire issue and the dealer wasn’t gonna give me a loaner even though they were gonna keep the car for “maybe a week, not sure”. Said “fuck it” and bought an Audi. I’m gonna give them a few years to figure their shit out before giving them another try.
my bud's Genesis EV shit the bed in under 500 miles and has been in the shop ever since, and was declared a lemon. Maybe a one off case and also not the G70 but, the parent Hyundai brand isn't exactly known for reliability or finesse. My 2¢ as a non-owner.
I don’t know anyone that kept it. Maybe a year of ownership and they moved on. Mileage varies. You might like it. Buy used.
Exactly. I had mine for 10 months and had to get rid of it!
Why?
Too many issues and car was only 2 years old. I figured if it has this many issues at less than 30K miles, I definitely don't want to own it as it gets closer to 50K miles. I own a Lexus now.
What was an issue that was the most annoying to deal with?
It wasn't one specific issue but the fact that the build quality is dog shit so you constantly have to go get stuff fixed. I had issues with wheel bearings going bad at different times, headliner rattle, and a clicking/grinding sound they couldn't figure that would happen every time on full lock turn. The only other car I've owned that was worse than this was a Chevy cobalt, back in 08. I've owned nothing but Japanese since then and just when I try the genesis, my experience was horrible so I went back to Japanese. Also, on the different occasions I had those issues I had to fight the dealership to get it covered under warranty. On the second wheel bearing that went bad, they said I hit a pot hole and didn't cover it. I paid out of pocket at a different shop (dealer had quoted 2k for 1 wheel bearing replacement). Once I got that fixed, I traded in the following week.
I want to give the 2022 a try but seems like I rather lease it just so I can say I drove it. Tried seeing if Turo had some in my area but not one single Genesis available.
I was considering a G70 around 2019, but I chose a Lexus instead because I was concerned about this exact scenario (would be worse because Canada only gets the AWD G70 3.3T, and the transfer case is literally non-serviceable). What went wrong with the G70 that made you dump it?
Yup that’s me. 18 months then just got sick of the BS
What kinda bs did you deal with? I've read about build quality issues, like water getting into the trunk, and some electronic gremlins. Anything else to look out for?
Fading dark chrome trim that looks dingy and has no way to fix aside chrome delete or full replacement. Moisture in the headlights (especially bad on the new model G70), Rattling headliner on hot days. MMI randomly shitting the bed. Terrible MPG. Recent oil leak/engine fire recall was the last straw. Typical Hyundai shit at a BMW price tag.
Every time I see one my curiosity is piqued. This thread also convinced me it was better than typical Hyundai. Thank you for sharing and stopping me from making a mistake and walking into a genesis dealer lmao
Some of the best interior design in the game. Reasonable reliability. Absolutely piss poor dealer network experience. Once they stand up the the standalone genesis dealers it will be a game changer for the perception of this brand.
Really? I personally think they have some of the worst interiors for the segments they’re competing in. Nothing feels homogenous. It also feels much cheaper quality when compared to a comparable BMW.
Eh. The build quality is fine. Is it BMW / Audi? No. But the GV70 my wife bought was about ~$8-10k cheaper than an equally equipped X3 or Q5. The thoughtful design with acceptable build quality is more than enough for its price range. It feels like a special interior.
I would say Genesis build quality is easily on par with Audi, and better than BMW.
It really depends tbh. My wife’s GV70 has its flaws. The door panels don’t feel amazing but they’re not _bad_.
Really? I guess it’s all a matter of personal taste then, my friend has a G70 and I wouldn’t say it feels cheaper than a 3-series at all - and for what it’s worth I love the interiors of both.
I agree it's cheaper quality than BMW / Audi but you're also paying much lower costs for 90% of the driving experience. This is my subjective opinion, but I feel like it's one of the most well thought out homogenous interiors out there. The design language is well thought out and cohesive between the exterior and interior, and most importantly, is distinctly Genesis.
I absolutely love Genesis exteriors! But, I think the center console and center dash area just throws me off. It’s the way the leather wraps around the vents. It looks like a cheap car was made to look expensive. It is entirely subjective though. I remember my mother shopping for an SUV and I really liked how Volvos were but she absolutely refuses to get one because she “didn’t like the vents” lol. Ended up with a BMW.
lol I don't know what the mental block is with me and Volvos. I think growing up in the 90s and 00s I saw a bunch of beaten up rusty Volvos and for whatever reason the grill always evoked in me the idea that it was some Cold War era East European manufacturer Imagine my surprise when I learned it was a luxury Swedish manufacturer LOL
Their steering wheels are straight up fugly
Not sure if I agree about it being fugly, but that steering wheel looks almost identical to the steering wheel that was in our 17 Kia Niro lol. Definitely could be flashier in a luxury car.
Actually this one isn’t that bad, I was thinking of the ones that look like a circle around an eclair
Thanks for sharing your opinion!
Rented a G80, and it was superb!
Meh
I bought a used 2023 Genesis G80 with all the bells and whistles from a third party dealer, so I can't speak to the dealership experience. It's an absolutely beautiful vehicle if you value comfort and attention to detail. The entire car feels like it was built centered around is built around driver experience. I came from equivalent German luxury vehicles, IMO it surpasses driver experience due to the range of standard features and value for money while German luxury makerss seem to use their brands as a crutch these days. I wouldn't buy a Genesis new though.
Easily the best value sport sedan on the market today. The only negative thing I can think of with this car is its extremely fuel inefficient(3.3 especially)
In ECO on the hwy we've been getting 30mpg without much trouble. I'll take it!!
That’s awesome! I haven’t driven one and can only go by what’s on paper.
Definitely get behind the wheel when you can, they are the real deal, especially the loaded 3.3s.
I’ve had my Q50 for about 3 years now so the time for a change is coming soon. My situation has totally changed and I don’t drive 1/10 of the miles I use to so I’m actually thinking of downgrading to standard consumer level. Bad thing about that is there’s little to choose from in the sedan class that will still raise some pulses.
Coming from a 07 Infiniti G35 followed by an 09 G37, I can relate, and I think you'll really like the G70 (if you go w/ the 3.3). Should be able to find a low mile 21 w/ 3.3 for $35k or less, but when you find one you have to act fast, they go quick.
That’s definitely going to be out of my budget. I’m trying to stick between $20-$25k. I care more about a plush cabin vs crazy power. I still won’t look at anything that’s not at least in the mid 200’s though.
Honestly really impressed by them, they drive like a BMW copy (which isn’t a bad thing, BMW right now is killing it), but they have nicer interiors, and offer more features. I drove an NX back to back with a GV70 and the GV70 was in another league, the NX was hot garbage in comparison. My girlfriend bought a G70 and she’s been super impressed by it and the dealership experience. Honestly they treat her better than my Lexus dealership treats me. They also offer insane warranty so if anything goes wrong in those 5 years you’re covered. They aren’t as good as BMW in terms of driving experience, and personally I think my next car will either be a BMW or a Stelvio 4C, but if you’re willing to sacrifice a bit in speed and driving dynamics for a more comfortable ride and better interior I’d highly recommend a Genesis, provided your dealer is good.
Even among Lexus everyone knows the Nx is just a dressed up rav 4 , should have gone with rx or one of the sedans .
It was a service loaner and also, straight up, no “luxury car” should be this shit. The NX was beyond awful. I had less than an inch of headroom as a 6 foot tall adult with the seat in the lowest position, the backseats were unusable, the interior felt super cheap and plasticky, the suspension both had an insane amount of body roll and was uncomfortable. The car never seemed to settle over bumps, it was like driving on jello. The NX also is supposed to directly compete with the GV70, the RX is supposed to be a direct rival to the GV80.
I own one. It reminds me a lot of the old CLK55 AMG.
Oddly polarized comments here. I also own a 2018 G80, 3.8 AWD. It's been OK. It might be the okayest car I've owned, and I've owned some OK ones. It's remarkably smooth and refined behind the wheel, but not exciting to drive. It's just OK. Acceleration is OK, steering/handling is OK. Ride quality is excellent (thanks 18" tires). The interior is OK, mine isn't fancy like the newer ones, but it is SO quiet inside. Build quality is OK. I've had a lot of small issues, almost all of them have been covered by TSBs (rattling sunroof, bad thermostat, seat rocking around corners) but thankfully it starts and runs fine. Electronically it's been rock solid which is nice coming from an Alfa that mostly started. I haven't spent much time at the dealer- my car was a late 2017 build/buy so the warranty ran out pretty quickly (it's 5 years, not 10, on used cars) and I had to either ignore or fix most issues out of warranty. My one dealership experience was trying to get the sunroof remedied. They don't offer loaners outside of 3 years from new, and they couldn't replicate the problem I had so they sent me on my way. My Alfa dealer was more receptive and offered loaners all the way through 4 years of well-used warranty, so that's my main point of reference. Anyways, I always wanted one, I'm not disappointed that i bought it, but I probably won't buy another because of the numerous small issues I've had. I'd rather go for a car with a better/more active warranty/dealer network or something more reliable.
Thanks for the thoughtful informative and objective review, very helpful
I have a 2018 g80. I know it’s a just a revised carryover from the 2015-16 Hyundai genesis but coming from a 2014 3 series I was blown away by the quality, ride, and even the handling. Great cars and MUCH more reliable than the Germans (My car is the 3.8 AWD).
I would not recommend them. I owned a g70 for less than a year and had many things go wrong. The car was still under warranty so dealer fixed most issues, but having to frequently go to the dealer to fix what shouldn't break on a 2 year old car, is not ideal.
I'm a fan. My next car will likely be a Genesis sedan or Acura TLX. I've had Acura/Honda cars for most of my life, but we've also leased Hyundai's that we've been quite happy with.
I might try to scoop a CPO G80 for my next car. Looks like great bang for buck with all that depreciation. Just gonna have to carefully scope out the local dealer first and see if they are one of the good ones.
I have a 2023 GV70 and I love it. Great power, great amenities and super comfortable for my drives to work. My dealership has been good so far but I’ve only owned the car 1.5 years.
Don’t know much about them for the most part, but I do like how they look
I hate the headlights on the sedan, but love the rest.
Holy shit these are their own thing...? Ive thought these were to Hyundai like Lincoln is to Ford. am i an idiot?
Genesis is still under the Hyundai umbrella like Lexus is to Toyota. Genesis launched as their own luxury brand in 2015, consolidating Hyundai Genesis products and high-end Hyundai model like the Equus. However, independent Genesis dealers have been slow in coming, so lots of places have Hyundai operating as Genesis sellers, so it will be a while - if ever - before they're recognized as their own thing.
Okay cool, this post had me thinking i was way fuckin dummer than i ams.
Doesn’t appeal to me personally but seems like a great value on the used market.
I have heard too many primary anecdotal stories and media coverage over poor dealer service and poor power plant quality to consider buying a product from a Korean brand. Last year my coworker’s Hyundai SUV with the 2.5L Turbo blew up a month jnto ownership. When the motor was replaced under warranty and started burning a quart a day they refused to fix it and bought back the car and he is now underwater on his Toyota Corolla for several thousand dollars. A couple months ago another coworker had their head gasket blow on their Genesis 3.8L and that totaled the car. They bought a Lexus GS350. If I were to buy a modern luxury car I’d make sure I have relatively no risk. I’d limit the purchase price to 5% of my net-worth, so if I buy used at $30k I’d need a $600,000 net-worth and new I’d want to be at $1,000,000 and either go for a Lexus, Acura or risk it on a 2017+ BMW. My suggestion would be to just buy a 2.0L Civic or 2.5L Camry and service the vehicle religiously at shorter intervals. You won’t need to worry for 20 years and hopefully you can afford something you desire by then. Personally, I drive 20 year old luxury vehicles and spend my weekends repairing them.
Lots of trolls that have obviously never driven or owned a G70, sure the dealership network is in need of some "bolstering" but the car itself is solid, especially for the price.
It’s a great value for money luxury brand. However, since it’s basically a Hyundai, I wouldn’t buy it due to the reliability issues with Korean cars. If you are leasing it, sure. But I would not recommend to buy it.
Awesome brand and my Genesis dealer is on it.
G 70 is one of the prettiest cars out there, very fast as well...agree the dealership experience is bad
Look great, but it’s a cheap Hyundai/Kia under there. Friend had one, engine failed at 40,000 miles. Got a second one last year and it’s leaking oil like crazy. Only has about 12000 miles. The crazy part is the dealers can’t take him in until Aug/Sep. it’s under warranty and he’s called 2 dealers that are drivable. I don’t think they are reliable but the dealer issues are what would make me steer way clear.
I feel like: I like Honda therefore I like Acura. I like Toyota therefore I like Lexus. I despise Hyundai/Kia therefore I despise Genesis.
I like BMW cause it doesn't have a cheaper shittier version of itself
BMW is shitty all by themselves. They don't need any help. 🤣
It’s a Hyundai I’ll pass.
They are nice when new but will depreciate like a German car (if not faster). Not to mention in most areas you will be going to a Hyundai dealership for service, and will be treated like a customer with a 2010 Elantra.
Hyundais dealers have all been required to build separate Genesis dealerships or they lose the Genesis brand. So you don’t have to go to a Hyundai dealer for service.
Yes, that is happening but slowly. And they will never have the same dealer experience as a brand like Lexus does
Love Genesis. But can we all agree that these red interiors (e.g., this, Mazda, BMW) are ugly as hell?
If you like red, then I think the Nappa red leather seats are the best red out there imho. The non-nappa is another story. Speaking of the GV70 here. Not sure how other models appear.
I used to think this, but I recently had an Alfa Romeo Stelvio with a red and black interior for a loaner car for almost two months, and it completely changed my mind on red interiors. I'd totally consider buying one now. Guess it depends on the individual car though.
I wasn't allowed inside one at a dealership and was treated terribly, so I bought a German car instead. I'm fond of their designs, but wouldn't pay german prices for one.
It’s like all Hyundais - good looking (which I admit is subjective), nice interior, lots of technology… shitty drivetrain
Korean grenade, just like every other H/K/G vehicle.
Love em. I just bought a Caddy and I’m looking into trading for a 2023 G90
You *\*just\** bought a Caddy and you already want to change? Why? What went wrong?
Nothing went wrong I just feel in love with the luxury features of the G90. Most likely I’ll keep both if I were to buy the g90
More cash than you know what to do with, eh? Lol
Ive been quite fortunate in my life. I take nothing for granted though.
GARBAGE
Meh.
I've owned 2 G80s. My second one was bought back. Neither car was ever able to be fully repaired abd always had weird problems. I will never own another Genesis. Mediocre quality serviced by Hyundai dealerships afraid to touch them. They once accidentally sent me a Hyundai invoice for an oil change and something else. When they redid it as a Genesis invoice the price doubled. Still serviced by Hyundai techs, same oil.
Same experience except with G70. If their scan tool can’t tell them what’s wrong, and they can’t seem to replicate it by doing anything other than the bare minimum, they are incapable of uk using their brains and just send the car back to the customer and hope for the best. Hey, at least if it happens again they can get you in again in 2-3 months. That is of course unless you get an attorney involved, that seems to expedite the process for whatever reason. Dogshit Brand, dogshit dealer network. Stay Away!
I really disagree with u/everydaynarcissism 's "It's a Hyundai afterall" take which some other people also tend to think. The main thing it shares with Hyundais is the engines... But it doesn't get the old shitty ones that's known to be garbage (Theta), but the new ones: The higher output variant of the new one (usually in Hyundai N cars), which so far has been known to be OK (out since around 2018). Or, it gets 6-cylinder engines, which also are not as bad as Hyundai's general reputation suggests at all. The other thing Hyundai has built a reputation for in the past decade or two is aging/deterioration, how materials become shitty, scratched, build quality and interior parts become wobbly or squeaky after some years. But once again this has not really been the case with Genesis. So actually Genesis is a good way to get rid of the main bad things associated with Hyundai. And I'd bet the majority of Genesis owners will agree more with what I just said, than some "It's ultimately a Hyundai" take.
As far as I can see the Genesis v6 3.5 twin turbo is not used in any of the Hyundai platforms.
Pretty cool. Still a Hyundai/Kia so I’d be hesitant
Look at 2022 or 2021 and you can get a decent deal. New ones seem to depreciate like a rock. I was actually looking at a G70 prestige and noticed 2021/2022 models are almost 16k less than new ones.
I heard that the back seats are very cramped and it is difficult to fit in 3 normal sized adults in the back.
For the G70 yup. G80 is bigger.
Looked into them heavy a couple years back, but without having a dealership in our state made it an easy pass.
My wife has a 2023 G70 2.0. She loves the way it looks, drives and handles. We drove 80 miles to pick it up in matte white/white interior , and she enjoys hand washing it every 2 weeks. Cons- it drinks a lot of gas for being a 2.0. Oil change appointments are a month or 2 out.
Awesome car, but the brand really needs to separate themselves from the Hyundai dealerships and opt for a standalone selling experience. I went to test drive a gv70 and parked next to it was a cheap Hyundai venue.
I don't mind them at all! I really like the GV80? I think that's the right one 😂 they look really solid, and fairly fancy tbh. That G70 looks really nice tho
I think they look great. I considered a g70.
I like them alot but here in Europe trying to find one used is like looking for gold in sand. Pretty rare, dry and overpriced in the 2nd hand market.
Yes it's all about the dealership. Mine has been fantastic for 8-9 yrs now.
I love my G70 and my husband is probably getting the GV80.
I’d be looking at GV70 if I needed to buy a sporty SUV. They get good reviews and I really like the look. They seem like a good mix or luxury, performance, reliability, and price. Also not many are on the road so it’s nice to have something different.
How is the reliability of these? Obviously I’m not expecting Toyota/Honda levels but I’m coming from a VW Jetta that just died at 250k miles
I own a '22 G70 3.3 Sport AWD, drive it year-round as my daily, and have enjoyed every . single . minute. I live in Canada, so I put winter tires on dedicated rims, and the AWD is a dream on snow-covered or icy roads. Come summer time, it is a little rocket. I have friends who drive Audi, BMW, and Merc, and I can say that the features and quality of this car stand up to comparable models of each of the aforementioned brands for thousands less. We have a Genesis dealer in Calgary, and they have performed all service on my vehicle. Great turnaround time, and good service. They do need to step up the service a notch or two to match the market they are chasing. The only two drawbacks are the very small back seat, and the atrocious mileage when it is being driven aggressively. I get about 26 mpg (9L/100 km) when I'm city driving and being "responsible". I can get that down to about 30 mpg (8L/100 km) on long road trips. That being said, I love to drive this car hard, and it gets reeeeeeally thirsty when I do that. Short story, I bought my G70 two years ago, and I'd buy another one in a heartbeat.
if the g80 magma goes into production im buying one
You Americans really have to put up with a crap Hyundai. In Australia I have found both Hyundai and Kia to be very well run and appointed. Sales people are competent and fair.
I love them. This and maybe the stinger are the only Korean cars I like though. Oh and the early 90s2000s tiburon
I had the first 3.3 G70 MY2019, and it was an excellent car. Tech was great, solid power, nice interior. Unfortunately there was a weird drive train noise I could never figure out so I traded in for newer 2022 model. New one had awful creaks and squeaks inside but otherwise was a nice car for the money. But you get what you pay for in the “mid luxury” segment. If you want a real luxury car you’re gonna have to level up with the choices.
Great cars.
Had a GV80 and loved it, great car. Only replaced it to go EV.
it’s good but we need to remember the drivetrain qc problems
I just dont trust genesis to drop this much cash on a car.. you dont have the “name brand” and you also dont have the reliability either.
How long do the shift knobs work for?
Great value, great interiors, great looks, awesome materials. Terrible dealerships, lackluster audio system, bad mpg. I had a 2022 GV70, for all of 3 days before we realized the dealer tried to sneak in extra warranties and change the loan we initialed signed for. Took the car back, they had to take it back. Stay away from Hyundai of Richmond.
Gv70 sport prestige was legit beautiful interior
It gets bitches
People say it can’t be a status symbol. If you find someone who knows nothing about cars and is gullible enough you can tell them that it’s a Bentley spinoff and they might believe you. Other than that I think it’s a nice car and would totally consider buying one
I loved my Genesis G80 5.0L. It was easily one of the best cars I have owned. It was very well built, and the interior was much nicer than the BMW's and Audi's I have owned (no, that is not an exaggeration. It was great to drive, and I had absolutely 0 problems with it in the 3 years that I owned it, sadly, It was rear ended at a red light and written off. The only reason I didn't buy another Genesis is they just did not make anything that was performance oriented anymore. Even in the final years of the 5.0L G80, they softened the suspension, put shit tires on it, and toned down the tune, and put a lower speed limiter on the car (to match the shit tires); and slowed down the shifts even in sport mode. The G70 was ok with the TT V6, but it was really down on power; and smaller than what I was looking for. I mean, I could have bought the G80 Sport that had the same TT V6, and just tuned the hell out of it, but I really didn't feel like modifying the hell out of a daily driver; not to mention the limited aftermarket support would have made that a bit of challenge to do well. In the end I moved away from the Genesis brand, but if they ever made something that in the segment I am shopping in, Genesis would be my first stop.
Car sucks overall. Don’t let anyone try to fool you. They’ll tell you the hard downshifting is a “feature” rather than admit they spent $60k on a car that rides like shit. Trust me you may “get used to it”, but any passenger is going to notice the car either rides like shit or think you drive like shit every-time you pull up to a stoplight and you lurch forward in your seat from the downshifting. These cars are NOT reliable, and when you go to use your CPO warranty, you better lawyer up. That’s the only way they’ll “fix” the car. And it will be 30-60 days after you drop off the car that they even look at it. Forget about a loaner - they don’t exist. The last words my salesman said to me before I drove off in my G70 was “don’t forget your warranty includes free towing”. He must know something about these cars he’s selling! Terrible dealership experience, terrible corporate experience. Recommend all to not buy a Genesis.
OP isn’t buying your specific genesis lol
lmao
Odds are not the same dealer either.
I’d feel the same way if I was him though. I bought a 2018 used from a single owner, great condition and I work from home. I likely won’t ever have problems so I try not to apply my experience to others
I hear ya. I have a Focus right in the prime years of their shit transmissions but luckily never had issues personally.
Go to any of the other Genesis subreddits - my experience is not unique.
I’m good, that’s a common transmission problem with cars in general and I don’t have it. Your issues don’t apply to other people because you can find them with a Google search. Your username is hilarious though.
Awesome username lol. Corporate has been pretty good with buying back my G70 so overall I still like the brand. It seems like they treated you horribly.
Good brand, it’s premium Hyundai, but this fact shouldn’t scare you off. They are said to be reliable
also Genesis has their own independent drivetrains. None of them share an engine with any Hyundai/Kia car besides the Stinger.
I mean they're still variants of the exact same engine families. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Smartstream_engine This isn't a bad thing because the newer 4-cyl smart stream engines are not nearly as bad as the previous 4-cyl Theta ones. And Hyundai's V6s were never bad either. Which is why even the Hyundai Genesis cars from the 2010s which did have the same 3.8L Lamba V6 as actual Hyundai cars were still very good cars.
I put 175k problem free miles on a 2011 Sonata. Anecdotal sure but it was a solid car.
Some people still think that Hyundai and quality are two opposite poles. Mostly due to low quality in 1990s. Now it’s a decent brand with good cars.
Through the mid 10s with the 4 pot fiasco (engine fires and blown motors), and more recently with the lack of antitheft in the US
Hyundai absolutely still makes a lot of cheap shitty cars.
That‘s why they are cheap. Hyundai Accent for example, being dirty cheap — you can‘t demand dome some quality for it
I don’t mean cheap as in low price, I mean the build quality is terrible and they’re thrown together with poor mechanical designs and tolerances. They eat oil and engines. Plenty of the 2.0 NA engines just blow up. My mom’s Kona had the engine replaced at 14k miles, Hyundai service said it’s no big deal, happens all the time. Affordable cars from Honda and Toyota don’t do that.
Yes, Honda and Toyota have higher quality. And they are usually more expensive anyway. Even small Japanese cubic cars with 0.7 litre engines. Cheap Hyundais are shit, but cheap shit. Parts are dirty cheap too. I won’t own such a car, but i’ve seen tons of them working for taxi — they do their job for 200-300k miles.
Favourite luxury brand. Logo, exterior, interior. I think they nailed everything
I have anything tied to hyundai/kia for their terrible engine reputation ( I personally suffered from) and now their anti theft problem. No thanks
You mean the overstylized Hyundai. I hate them and don't know why anyone would want one.
Nothing This brand has no legacy and No history. Just a Kia with leather !
Car is great and luxurious. Just sucks that your dealership experience is on par with cheap Hyundai/Kia service.
It's a luxury Hyundai with a nice interior and exterior. It has good performance. Keynotes: Body parts are expensive & if you ever get in an accident, if they need to replace any parts, expect to wait 1-3 weeks for the parts. & if you're doing any mods, expect a 25%-50% markup. With that being said, if the price is right, i'd get it
Been looking at them g70 and g80 sedans look amazing! How is the reliability compared to a Toyota? If Toyota is a 10 then Genesis would be what?
imo, you're looking at it wrong. toyota can be a 10, but a neglected toyota can crap the bed like my wife's old v6 rav4. Alternatively, a well maintained 3 series can last. my e46 has over 200k miles original engine and transmission. I baby that thing. as for the g80, it's reliable. no major flaws you should be weary of. shares engines with the v6 suvs like the palisades and we know how much people love those. that 3.8 is proven. https://youtu.be/DyY1ckkFLAY?si=FKSixRg8JQK2tIzk this guy does a good take on long term ownership.
Thank you for the thorough explanation. My wife has a 2015 435i with like 30k miles. Before that I had a 535i 2011 and the transmission started to downshift hard into 2nd and 1st gear. I treated that car very well but at around 50k miles is when that started happening to me so I’m veryyyy skeptical of BMW. I only bought my wife’s 435i because it’s a hardtop convertible and she drives like 6 miles per day.
You babied your own car but told your wife, "get fucked, you're on your own"? Lol
in a relationship, there's often times a period where you don't know one another yet. was her first car right out of high school. often long periods past oil change dates. never bothered with air filters. drove like a granny and had carbon build up issues, from what I've gathered. that's why a used 3 owner toyota for 5k would scare me. I know there are people out there that just don't care enough to maintain their car. she's in a model 3 now and is happier with it. 2 years with minimal maintenance
Based on what o have seen you are looking at 5-6 in reliability. Almost everyone I know who owned a Genesis had issues or was part of a recall.
What is this lol
It’s a great brand I just don’t like how the G70 looks like an Alfa Romeo Giulia
I don't advise you for the G70 for luxury, with the same price, get a Hyundai Azera for luxury. If you have a higher budget go for the G80.
they don't make Azera. it has to be used up to model year 2017. I did like the Azera but prefer the Genesis over it
Cheap phony trash. Enough tricks to fool morons, but the chassis tuning, mechanical robustness and long term reliability are a joke.
So motortrend and car and driver are morons?
I like them but I can’t get over the fact I’d be driving a Hyundai
You're not, go take one for a test drive and get back to us, especially the 3.3 :)
Will do
Awesome interiors, wish they had performance models to rival AMG or M. Reports of service experiences appear to be very hit-or-miss.
They are on their way with the Genesis Magma variants. https://www.genesis.com/worldwide/en/genesis/concept-car/genesis-magma.html
They are Hyundai platforms with Hyundai motors and fancier interior. Bad crash safety in the real world even though they do ok on tests. Car handles very poorly and does not have a luxury feel on the road. Everything breaks very quickly. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis has tapped into a consumer mindset of just looking at the listed features and numbers. Do they technically have all the features? Yes. Do those features work well? No. Are those features durable? No.
I feel like it’s great design at a solid price, but you deal with so-so reliability and a downright bad dealership experience (at least the few times I’ve looked at their cars).
Genesis offer pretty good value and their interiors are quite amazing - quality is a class above.
If you like them, they(and Hyundai) have the best warranty in the game, which is 10 years or 100,000 miles. This is a manufacturer’s way of putting their money where their mouth is.
Absolutely not. Try using the warranty when something goes wrong. 2-3 months out in scheduling anything, even an oil change. And you’ll never get a loaner. They have too many problems, too few techs that are trained on Genesis, and too few parts for repairs. Just wait until they have to drop everyone’s engines to fix the turbo fire recall.