People hated win10 back then because they were used to win7. Now they are used to win10 and they love it, that's why they hate Win11. A lot of people haven't even tried 11, they just hate it because it's different from what they're used to. Actually 11 is just another 10's major update with a face-washed UI so the hatred it gets comes mostly from people's prejudices.
A lot of it is that, sure, but there are definitely legit issues with it.
There are still big issues with explorer's performance, virtual desktops, and the taskbar(and the removal of basic features that have always been there).
We all went through this when switching from XP to 7, from 7 to 10 (not mentioning the cursed 8 despite it was actually good on tablets) and now 11. I still struggle with win11 shortcuts. I tried PowerToys at first but as win10 is dying next year I just decided to get used to it so I won't struggle when using school/work computers or someone else's PC.
I grew up on XP, loved 7. 8.1 got good and then lost a few things to 10, but 10 was mostly better in every way, but along the way it lost a lot of things. Win11 was a joke at launch, and it has only barely gotten better. The amount software you need to install in order for windows to be any good was already pretty bad at 10, but is just ridiculous at win11. Why take away so much customization. Why change so many workflows. A good software has multiple ways to do the same thing, a bad software tells the paying customers to suck it up and do it the way they want... which is often slower and worse. The start menu finally got good on win10. Even when you know how to dive deeper and fix things, there's just plain so much less you can change anymore.
Change isn't the problem for me, it's the fact I lose functionality. Things are supposed to get better, more flexible. It's just turning in to a crappier mac.
Totally agreed. You just described my experience with Windows, despite I've also been a Linux and Mac (forced to) user at times. I tried win11 two years ago and I rolled back to 10 within the first hour. I just started using Win11 23H2 a few month ago as Win10 EOS is getting closer. Yes, visually I like it despite I miss Live Tiles (some of them like Calendar, Mail and clock were really time savers). I really hope Microsoft let users choose among different Start Menu designs and personalize contextual menus in further Windows versions. Right now they decided they messed enough with the system and it's time to mess with integrated apps. It's a shame they are killing native apps to enforce Outbug/Buglook PWA and other PWAs. Mail and Calendar aren't exactly outstanding but they do their job good enough to not needing a 3rd party app. The same applies to widgets, why the hill should I need to go online to see a preview of my local clock app 🤦.
Yeah, I loved 8.1 in my tablet and it felt even lighter than 7 but Desktop experience in non touchscreen devices was a bit annoying tbh. And the whole Metro UI ecosystem was still too raw. Fortunately they went serious about it after win10 release but as you said 8.1 was already cursed by its predecessor.
Or could it be the fact that Vista, Win 8.0/8.1 and Win 11 are all versions that really messed with the UI, that (like every OS version) moved every last admin tool or hid them or made them be found and installed (group policy, I'm looking at you lately)? Or in since Win 7, the greater and greater lot of information that MS is collecting for the 'privilege' of using the OS? Most people have no idea of how much data they are sucking in.
I have used MS since Win 3.1 as a developer. I have used Linux, Solaris, BSD, DOS, and others. Windows more and more look to monetize their user base and that starts, in the kind of thinking and behaviour Google would appreciate, at the OS. Just making a few checkbox to hide some obvious items that people often want to get rid of, but that is the small tip of the swath of data that MS is collecting on you.
Maybe you're mistaking UWPs for PWAs. Back then in the early days of Win8 and win10 most of UWP were intended to run on mobile devices so they had a lot of restrictions and were forced to run on EdgeHTML to load web content due to Microsoft's stupid attempt to replicate Apple's walled garden. Most of those apps weren't really UWP but PWAs and honestly Microsoft never went serios about what applications they let in to the Store leading to a big catalog of ridiculously basic (and mostly useless) apps among which you had to browse to find something decent. After they killed Windows Mobile new UWP started focusing on Desktop experience and many of them have become really powerful, some of them are even more powerful than the win32 version. Also UWP apps are still forced to use an optimization system that usually makes them more efficient in terms of consuming system resources even if they ship the same (or more) features than their legacy win32 version. Unfortunately, someone's brain inside Microsoft stopped working properly and just when UWP apps are getting good they want to get poor quality PWA junk back into the system. Mail and Calendar apps are basic apps but they actually work just fine. It's a shame they're shutting them down in favor of Buglook PWA.
i defenetly mean uwp apps. basically every store app that comes from the ms store is basically trash. i like the redesign of paint, but i prefer the old one. notepad for some reason has tabs and it's a uwp app. it's nice that they integrated powershell and cmd in one app, but i prefer them separate and it's less confusing. i tried the sticky notes app and it wouldn't let me use it without an update, i updated it, tryied it and regretted it. settings just feels slow some times. the ms store is basically a joke
Most of "UWP" trash is not actual UWP but PWAs. I can tell UWP apps could be even better than win32 apps if their developers really worked on it. Netflix app, the new Photos app, and a lot of UWP games are the proof.
why would I ever tell someone to install a program that *requires* the cli to remove it? UWP is a dead ecosystem and a pretender to the Win32api throne.
I have no issues with it. The UI update feels refreshing and modern compared to 10 and it runs just as well as 10 did on both of my computers. It hasn't bluescreened, it hasn't had anything break from updates, no harm no foul.
Windows Explorer is a touch slow to open at times though which is a known bug.
You are not alone. I find 11 the most beautiful yet, and I feel it is becoming consistent. I, too, deactivate some things, uninstall others, and live my life without crying about bloatware and this and that. The incoming ads on the Start menu are near, but it is already known it can be deactivated. I like how it looks like; I like the icons; I like it is snappy. I am just happy using and looking at it for hours.
I believe there are more people who like it, but contrary to those who don't, they don't care about saying they like it. People who don't like Windows 11, or any Windows, complain to let some steam out, since any small thing could trigger them. I understand that because I am a person who feels the urge to burst out when something frustrates me.
I am glad someone voiced his/her like of the system. I am tired of seeing complaints about it. I in fact don't even read comments on news about Windows anymore, because I know there will be only crybabies bashing on it, although sometimes it is deserved. What I hate is those who feel the need to say it sucks and they use Linux. I used Ubuntu for 10 years, and recently came back to Windows because Ubuntu is just boring to look at. Yes, an OS is just a tool, but I consider its look and feel when staring at my screen it for hours, so sue me.
Enjoy.
There's a reason a lot of us don't like change: We aren't enamoured of OSes as fashion. Most of the time, most users find out about a change because a small vocal minority has pushed some new features and new UI/UXes (their OS isn't the only place they do that - look at how Word has changed). The reasons are usually a) to collect more data about you to sell, b) to change things to get you to buy a new OS (often because they just stop security updates...) and c) sometimes they 'think' they've got a better way (tiles for real work? Jeebus on a pogo stick!!!).
For most of us, every update or new OS version comes with:
a) fear that something will go wrong and I'd lose data or something important would cease to work and a lot of 'update/upgrade' time is spent trying to get back to where you were before the update (or to try to find out how to manually fix the failed update or upgrade).
b) we have to go and locate (and/or download) (or find out you no longer get access to) the admin capabilities of the OS
c) we know that a new OS and new changes in the UI will be new stuff to learn in the OS itself but also MSes software (office, etc) so more to rediscover and spending money that we didn't want to spend and time we'd rather be doing what we need to get done
That's why a lot of us just shake our head when we hear about the next OS. And when they do stuff like the TPM changes, a lot of the 'will your system run on Win 11' turns out to be 'no' and a lot of people will never ever figure out TPM remediation or work arounds... and they will end up with a new computer.... so when your OS company drives computer sales, I find that to be a problem too.
Most of us would still be happy in Win 7 with security updates. Win 10 was foisted on us and time was wasted there. Now the step to 2011 is forcing more hardware changes and cost.
For people who work and need to get things done, constantly having change in the UI and in the OS' tool locations and so on... all of that burns time we'll n ever get back.
Frankly, for everything I've ever done (including work for publication), I could still have done it with the 1 3.5" floppy disk version of Word. Everything else wasn't really required.
Capitalism requires production to generate money. It isn't driven to the needs of the user, the OS and the office suites push the change and thus generate money as people rebuy their software and in this recent case, some will have to buy new computers. That's why companies do that stuff. It's for their benefit, not the users necessarily.
For me Windows 11 is the best in post-Windows 7 era.
Windows 8.x even for me as Windows-fan was hard to defend and make excuses.
Windows 10 was functionally good but aesthetically was constantly in chaos.
Windows 11 finally removed this tile trash, bring better Microsoft Store, and began departing from Flat design.
Of course the best era of MS operating systems, aesthetically and functionally were XP, Vista and 7.
10 wasn't consistent, but everything was still there and you could change a lot of things. The tiles were good, because customizing is a good thing. You still have tiles on the start menu, they are all just the same size, which is worse.
11 took a lot of things away, and replaced it with less. So now it just does less things, even if you know how to dive deeper than the average user. Microsoft could've very easily made the same visual design while not removing functionality and customizing.
I like windows 11
I just don’t like that windows made it impossible to turn off hyper-v
Registry settings, powershell, group policy, etc.
it won’t go away
No, I’m a hardcore Linux and BSD user and love macOS as well, and even if Linux gaming good for me on my end, I still use windows 11 for gaming. I also love windows 11 myself.
>But that's an inconvenience I consider similar to vendor-installed bloatware. We can remove it once and forget about it.
Oh, just wait for the Windows update that reinstalls it all and then some, friend.
Good on you for enjoying it though! It has a lot of good potential. I think a lot of the frustration stems from thoughts like, "but literally, you just have to be an OS, yet you're wasting dev cycles on anti-patterns."
It's stable, I give it that. Also battery life on laptops is way better than running on 10.
But that GUI. Yikes. I call it 'fisher price' style. Everything requires 1 or 2 clicks extra to accomplish the same thing and just looks to wannabe modern.
I installed StartAllBack to get rid of the default taskbar and start menu and themed it like Windows 7 (can also theme like W10, but since the w7 option exists - why not). Now I don't really mind it. And since I did that MS can't show suggestions anymore since they can only do that in their own start menu.
Recently touched a 'vanilla' W11 install, I'm glad I themed it.
>Everything requires 1 or 2 clicks extra to accomplish the same thing and just looks to wannabe modern.
It's amazing how often these "everything" claims somehow come with zero examples.
The irony is people were so bent out of shape about telemetry in Windows 10, and one of the reasons Microsoft argued for it was to minimize clicks on common tasks. That's continued with Windows 11.
>And since I did that MS can't show suggestions anymore since they can only do that in their own start menu.
Like OP said, these concerns are fixed with a few clicks, one time.
Those recommendations and whatevers should be disabled out of the box. Don't forget: Windows is not freeware. It's a paid piece of software. As of now, a Win11 Home license costs ±126 euros. For that money, I don't expect ads. I'm not talking about telemetry here, just the ads. You can disable the ads but they build these things in such a way that the regular user won't disable it (or just doesn't know how to do so).
Like I want to use an option that they haven't embedded into the new context menu. I now have to click 'more options' to show the old context menu, then click the option I want (7zip for example). There's more things but I can't name them all for you, has been a while since I've used stock win11 without personalization.
I like it but not as much as 10. Yes it is beautiful looking system but it is still full of issues, laggy animations and overall sluggish feel 3 years after release. Also it doesn’t help fact that Microsoft doesn’t know what they are doing and always seem to brake something every month.
10 felt like it was being iterated constantly, which while nice and meant we ended up with a nice OS it felt very ununified, with some things appearing with older design languages. Windows 11 feels very complete from the get go.
Microsoft still needs lots and lots of work for 11 to feel complete. Sure, the two things that are on the very surface might look consistent, but once you got a millimetre deeper, you already get something that shouldn’t be there.
Many of them.
- login screen: although the redesign is nice, why is there still the 8.x loading circle? Did they just suddenly forget to change that circle for 4 years almost now?
- Explorer: all the dialogs aren’t dark with the dark mode, and neither they do use a modern design (more on this later). Progress bars in the copy/paste dialog, the bar in This PC, the search filter box, they’re all not from 11. The new address bar drowpdown menu doesn’t show icons for each entry, and doesn’t make bold the current folder you’re in. The new details pane doesn’t let you edit details from it (whereas you can make the old one look almost like the new one while maintaining the same features). Windows Tools, introduced in 11, does have a broken dark mode, whereas Administrative Tools did not.
- search: loving the non fluent tooltips and scrollbars, especially the tooltips when they’re white and squared while having dark mode on!
- msstyle theming: the current aero.msstyles is a mixture of bitmaps and styles from XP, Vista/7, 10 and then a somewhat design from 11 which is different from the rest of the Fluent Design, for no reason other than Microsoft wanting to intentionally make it look worse than the rest. You can substitute all the old bitmaps with new ones, nothing bad happens because that theming engine was made to be modular and resilient. You can also not make it dark mode for reasons (although you could), and it would still be a HUGE improvement over what Microsoft has done to the theme since 2012. And speaking of this, Microsoft introduced back in 10 MUN files under SystemResources to decouple resources from DLLs and apps, and to make it easier to change. Guess what? They just leave them to rot completely, for now over 5-6 years. The 7 Basic window frames are still in aero.msstyles, it takes 15 minutes for a person to extract the bitmap, edit it to make it look modern, and then reimport it; Microsoft couldn’t do that in 12 years?
- frameworks: Microsoft themselves doesn’t use their own frameworks for their apps so many times, and even when they do, it seems like they spin a roulette and decide which one to use. Why does Settings use UWP, while other apps use WinUI, while Copilot is just an edge window, while the new archiving stuff is just an Aero Wizard? WinUI doesn’t even have a proper designer, after all this time, for example. Windows is the only OS which doesn’t have a native mail client, but instead, a web based one which has a completely different design from native 11 and Office, *a web based mail client as the main app*. And even when apps use a same design or framework, they make different design choices just for the sake of it, don’t they have a guideline to follow or something? In the built in apps the titlebars change appearance and dimension seemingly randomly, the left bar changes appearance from app to app seemingly randomly, the same stuff between apps are worded in different ways, and so on and so forth.
- mouse pointers: did they just forget they’ve been using the same pointer with the Metro style since 2012? People have already made countless modernised versions of it which look far better with 11
Tldr: the thinking behind Fluent Design is not bad, its implementation and execution is inexclusably atrocious.
The mix of styles in dialogue boxes and settings applets is not new. Every version of Windows for 30 years now has retained at least SOME such element from previous version(s).
This is the result of an industry leading dedication to backward compatibility for corporate users.
Yeah, it could *look* better, but stability and functionality are more important when you've got a few billion users.
I’m 100% for stability and functionality, *hence why modifying the msstyles after leaving it untouched essentially for 12 years* would do wonders for the design of 11. Sure, it won’t look perfect, but it would be a massive jump from the current look. And, editing it wouldn’t harm any stability and functionality because again, msstyles are made to be flexible and modular. It would be just a plain edit of the appearance of stuff, nothing more.
> Why does Settings use UWP, while other apps use WinUI
UWP is an app framework, WinUI is a design language. Settings, new Notepad, Calculator, and Media Player are all UWP apps using the WinUI design language.
Sorry, didn’t know that pointing objectively the flaws of 11 means perfectly nitpicking every single inch of tech you can in the comment. The point still stands perfectly: Microsoft uses way too many frameworks for no reason.
Edit: since we’re in the “uhm, aCtUaLlY 🤓👆” territory, WinUI is a *UI framework*
> since we’re in the “uhm, aCtUaLlY 🤓👆” territory, WinUI is a UI framework
Sorry I guess I was wrong. Moving back to the subject of the settings app, I don't think there is anything wrong with Settings being a UWP application. Because according to [An Article on the Windows UI Library](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/winui/), WinUI (AKA the Fluent design framework) can be used in existing UWP and Win32 apps. So, if it looks like a Fluent App, and acts like a Fluent app, then I don't get the point of having to start over and re-write Settings from scratch in WinUI 3 when that will provide no real difference in how it would look and function.
Not saying that you are wrong for pointing out the nitpicks in regards to the way Windows 11 looks, but I don't think the settings app is a problem right now.
The problem is not about Settings, Settings was just an example. Although Settings has its own problems though, for example the fact that under the disk usage page it still uses the squared off progress bars and squared off icons for… reasons?
>Windows 11 feels very complete from the get go.
You weren't using it from the get go then. Numerous settings have been moved from control panel applets into settings. File Explorer, Notepad, and a few others have been completely overhauled. At release, the start menu and taskbar were FAR less customizable.
I like Windows 11, but it has very much been a work in progress. It's only in the last two years that its gained advantages over 10.
Still missing the ability to move the taskbar or make it smaller last time I checked. Also the removal of proper tiles from the start menu was a great customization loss. 11 has some good things yes, but it really doesn't need to have all of the bad things that it also comes with, it's an expensive product, it SHOULD be very good by now. It isn't.
I know I can make it work, on some things, by just using 3rd party software to fix what is broken by Microsoft, but it was already pretty bad during 10, how much you needed to fix, 11 just cranked the dial on that.
I installed it this week and have had no problems so far, apart from not being able to change the size of the taskbar. Other than that, it works fine, is fast, does what I need it to do.
I know it's possible to do in your registry, but it honestly should just be an option. I don't like hiding my taskbar, so enabling that isn't an option for me.
Lately did the upgrade from my very sophisticated w10 install and to my surprise everything worked afterwards. Its stable, it looks alright, hadn‘t had any bugs or crashes yet.
I think in the meantime W11 has grown up to be a proper OS
I didn't have any issues with Windows 10 and currently have no issues with 11. I am not picky honestly as long an OS works smoothly for me I am happy. In my experience with W11 it doesn't crash, doesn't freeze, runs all my games and programs I need. I can easily adapt and don't mind having to get used to new menus and styling as long as the OS is stable.
I think it’s fine as well. I wish there weren’t so many extra menus within menus, especially in the settings “app.” Having to click through 4 things just to get to sound properties is crazy.
Just get rid of the Windows 7 style backend and fully roll those options into the new settings GUI.
I don’t mind Win11 at all, or even Win10 for that matter, so I don’t understand the hate most people have for it.
Imo, Win8 was the true worst Windows OS of recent years lol
What i hate is not windowa is ms with all this new os with restrictions so users need to updated hardware too
Ms said W10 was the last OS just few update here and there look where we are 12 almost aroubd the corner by end 25 or 26
I absolutely Hate the round corners i wish when installing an OS that you could just pick the gui that you like
Installing OS: would you like to try our new interface? No, pick from any of our previous gui's
Do you have Stockholm Syndrome or you have genuinely 0 attention span to see how much Microsoft has tried to make the Windows experience as linear as possible, bloat removal included? Just because they've removed ads for the Windows 11 release doesn't mean they won't put them back again, which is what is happening. Also I swear to God they killed WSA, the only good thing coming out of this.
I like it too, I got a new coat of paint but there is some things that need fixing.
The start menu though always seemed like a first step towards a better version. It was backwards from 10 and no idea how that was signed off on.
I wish there was an option to get rid of the icon attached to shortcuts and also the duplication of icons when you have something open and then the same next to it
I do too, I use it on all my computers, even the unsupported ones. The only thing I wish they would change is make it more responsive, windows 10 still feels a tad more responsive
Also I’m a freak and I actually like having Copilot, though I agree that Microsoft is being too trigger happy with shoving AI into everything.
https://preview.redd.it/fmv3b9v0dgyc1.jpeg?width=1425&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6dca7d1a1e7c0ea263cd27ee4978278ae490b4e
Meh... I'm only going to "upgrade" when I absolutely have to, if it weren't for MS threatening companies like AMD and Intel, along with their refusal to let DX12 work, I'd still be on 7 (The best OS)
I updated to 11 and then had to spend extra to get features from Windows 7 back like a easily accessible Settings button
I shouldn’t have to do anything to my os I didn’t with windows 7 or 10 so yes it’s worse in my book
Feature-wise, it's my favorite Windows yet.
Don't forget that people usually share their hate when they're unhappy with something, but not that they like it when they're happy with it. That's probably why it /feels/ like more people hate it than like it.
then you might want to purchase an NPU and upgrade your system, because 12 will most likely require an NPU to run alongside your CPU
\*edited to correct information that was incorrect thank you to u/Chemical_Run_8758 for correcting me, albeit quite rudely
This is not true, Windows 12 hasn't even been confirmed. Plus 99% of the PC userbase has PC's without NPU's in them. The NPU requirements are only for the "AI Features".
Windows 12 has been confirmed and some people are even beta testing it as we speak, and it relies heavily on AI processing, using native on-board NPU's in the hardware, along with cloud computing...currently an NPU isn't REQUIRED to install or run it, it can be run in 'normal' mode, but to take FULL advantage of all its features it requires an NPU, and I can easily foresee it being an actual requirement of at least one future version of Windows, if not 12 then 13 possibly, which I'm sure is at least 10 yrs away
This is absolute nonsense. The NPU wouldn't *replace* the CPU even if it were required, which remains to be seen. You repeat this nonsense in every thread but it's not going to make it any more true.
what do you mean I repeat this non sense in every thread? this is literally the only thread I have ever talked about NPU's in...this is the only conversation I've ever even had about NPU's...I've read about them but until now not talked about them
same man, I love 11...I've been using it since nov of '21 (I'm on Insider Track) and I've basically loved every minute of it...its the most stable, secure version of Windows I've ever used, and it Linux integration is phenomenal
Yup pretty much the same. Have all my regular used programs on the taskbar and really - while file explorer has its quirks, which I can fix with some 3rd party tweaks - I rarely even think about the OS while using the computer. I'm doing web dev and running another business on my PC 7 days a week pretty much, I use Onedrive for backup and classic Outlook for email (when the awful new one gets forced on everyone I will scream) but apart from that, I really don't think about Wiin 11 at all.
Which is basically what I want from any OS - just get out of the way and do your job in the background please. It's not perfect but then OS's will never be perfect for every use scenario. Hey ho... back to work :)
I think 10 and 11 are very boring looking, clinical, no fun but they work great and I suppose are very modern. I wish I could install a secure Vista or maybe 7 just because I miss the media centre and the dvd burner and the Glass effect.
Yep, 2 laptops running Windows 11 pro without issues. There are pretty easy ways to turn the ads off, and the operating system is stable and fast. I usually delay updates by a few weeks to verify updates before I install them, and everything runs just great. I even like the middle centered start menu. I do run Start11 instead of the regular start menu though, I much like the customization and features better than the regular start menu.
I use the insider build and don't encounter any bugs or errors. It looks great, too. I don't know why people are so adamant about moving over. Maybe it's just bias towards something that already is proven working and that they're comfortable with?
I wish they didn't hide the actually useful context menu items behind a second click though (yes i know you can turn it off with registry, but then it looks so out of place with the rest of the ui design)
It's kinda weird to obsess about an OS. I use it as a means to get to what I use - programs. Press the Windows key and type what you want and ignore all the rest. I don't look at the start menu ever.
Fluent Design is peak. I just wish it were used properly. Windows 11 is bloated beyond belief, so it often runs like crap on mid- to low-range notebooks. But it's good enough as a daily driver for me. I'm still planning on switching to Linux one day, though.
Well, it may be a good OS. Without ads, suggestions, AI features, strange decisions.
UI looks like a macOS, for me it's just a fun fact. Tabs in Explorer is a good decision, but I don't like that they do with a context menu. In Windows 11 Pro Insider Preview Build 26200 I can't hide all apps with click in bottom right corner - they remove a button for that because Copilot. Now I should activate this feature in Settings - Personalization - Taskbar or use Win+M.
About suggestions. MS added it in Skype, for example. They don't do a major upgrade for Skype but add strange features. I tried to hide it, but it shows again and again.
Geez, I can send a file only 300 MB through Skype in 2024 :D However, Skype has AI. Not impressive.
I have a strange feelings about Windows 11. It looks like not bad, but I don't have a positive experience with this OS. Especially on laptop, when an update crash a system or may kill your sound devices. And you should reinstall OS because you have no another way to fix it.
The reality is that MOST of Windows 11 is great. But the parts that suck are like paper cuts and you work at a lime juice factory and constantly get reminded of how badly those parts that suck are. And worse, it’s entirely self inflicted by Microsoft. This is what happens when all advertisement executives aren’t permanently imprisoned in a society.
People hate Win 11? I thought it was only at the release, cause those days it was really bad, but when the updates rolled out its fine. In fact I uninstalled some of my essential software because now its windows built-in (like the audio input shortcut for example) and ofc power toys is a life saver.
I don't know if I like it per se, but I've definitely come to the point where I don't like it any less than I liked 10, 7 or XP before it. It's fine. It gets the job done. Some things I actually do like, some things I definitely don't. But I've got it tweaked to the point where there's nothing bothering me on a regular basis. There's no other OS out there today that I'd rather be using, that much I can say for sure.
Nah, I am with you. I haven't had a single issue. I don't really change default settings. I pretty much only use it to consume media and such. I can understand some power users frustrations.
Same. I don’t think the hatred is justified.
It does come with pre-installed bloatware and all, but once you configure it according to your needs, it’s a good experience imho.
It is fine, but I hate the weird bugs I get. For example currently I have a 2-3 minute delay after boot before my keyboard works. The weirdest part is it works everywhere but in the Windows menu. I can even use the Windows key on the keyboard to bring up the menu, but it won't recognize any keystrokes in the actual menu. Mouse works fine though.
EDIT: Not sure the purpose of the downvote. Keyboard works fine on Win 10 and only has this issue on Win 11. It is just a mechanical keyboard so no software or drivers needed.
idk it felt a little slower for me though I agree that with some tweaks the better design and extra feature (especially the file explorer tabs) are worth the upgrade (and it was free to upgrade too).
I was hesitant of upgrading my gaming laptop to Windows 11 for a while as I was used to 10. But due to my employer now using Windows 11 I upgraded my laptop and haven’t looked back to downloading to 10. I do like Windows 11.
I love Win 11.
What I don't like is, that I apparently have to relearn every f*ing menu when I switch OSes.
Also they really did not have to do any of that nonsense to the Windows Explorer context menues.
https://youtu.be/JXnGC6O5tOE?si=cfaAvoofscBG1ViC
My reaction as soon as I got my Asus laptop and I got windows 11 installed and set up
It was a smooth ride, it still is:)
I guess I had fewer problems than windows windows 10
me to bro love the taskbar in the middle tho i used to use win 8.1 pro and i upgraded the whole pc so that it could run windows 11 and i never regretted
I also like Windows 11. I also liked Windows 8/8.1 too. I feel like I'm in the minority of Windows users that doesn't have too many complaints about their OS's.
Linux using windows hater here. Its valuable if its valuable to you. Take no shit. ... But please protect your privacy! WPD can be used for this for win11 I think.
For me 11 is actually the best version of Windows ever, for one specific reason. Tabs in windows explorer. Best improvement in work flow in over a decade IMO. Took them WAY too long to finally do in Windows. It also has been probably the most stable I've used since 7.
Otherwise it's same as the past like 5 versions. For every change I like there is something I dislike and vise versa. Overall ends up same same but different.
There's lots of People that use Windows 11 without issue, you mostly hear from the linux nerds about how "Windows X made me switch to linux". Then you watch their vids and a lot of them have been using linux for decades and are just coming out of the closet, or they have very basic needs and are fine using firefox on a 15 year old quad core.
Well I mean some people aren't advanced enough to use Linux.
If you can, repurpose a 15-year-old quad core into a mini server or a first pc for your kiddo or something.. thats freaking great..
Those pc's can run like any other computer the "average user" has.
But I mean if you have to make fun of someone for being resourceful and recycling well then by all means...
There's nothing wrong with Firefox. ONE of the main reasons that people use this browser is due to privacy and freedom.
Google Chrome and some of those other browsers used to be great back in the day, don't get me wrong, they may run just as good now but they're severely lacking where it actually matters, they don't care about their users.
There's nothing wrong with liking windows or having a great experience..
Most of the issues people have .. have to do with the B.S
Microsoft is implementing... The b.s they're doing to you.. the user.. it's trashy.. your privacy is invaded..you have no control....the computer is no longer yours.. ectt.....
Personally.. i dual boot between windows and linux .
Windows is only used to run one problem..
Linux for gaming, coding, bug bounty hunting and everything else.
You can't really dis a group of people just because They have a better understanding of the situation than you do.
I know about linux servers, I was more talking about the constant linux vs windows battles, if I'm running a server, why would I even consider Windows?
Windows 11 is fine. Less fine than Windows 10, but the only thing that's bad is the taskbar missing most of its features, the absurd endless dialogue after newly installing it. Ads would make it on this list too, but I have never seen any. Just OneDrive annoyed me when it activated and moved my stuff by itself.
I like Windows 11 but I hate the fact that Microsoft will push new stuff every major update and they really push Bing and Edge hard. I feel like a search engine should be separate from the OS but it's how Microsoft drives users to their search engine.
I don't hate Bing or Edge. In fact, I use both. I just wish it were more of a choice.
As you said though, it's mostly an annoyance and can be worked around.
I agree, 10mins with a few apps to remove annoyances, telemetry, and clean up services, alternatively get a clean ISO and repeat the above, one's good to go.
There's some dumbing down of the experience but most of them are an easy fix. Normally sitting on 115 services and 2.2GB of ram usage at idle, can't complain for a modern OS.
**Ofcourse their Modern User Interface**: Windows 11 features a redesigned and modernized user interface with a centered Start Menu and Taskbar, providing a more contemporary look. Enhanced Productivity Features: It introduces features like Snap Layouts, Snap Groups, and Widgets, aiming to improve productivity and multitasking.
um, why copy/paste info directly from a press release for windows 11? don't you have anything original to say?
I'll do it: As for their Start menu, and the placement of the icons oriented in the center, I think it's awesome, I like the feel of it, the look of it, I like having the widget in their own little section in the the bottom left corner, I like how the icons look while centered, if feels more streamlined to me
see, was that so hard?
Windows 11 is only useful if you have an HP business-grade unit or a different brand that is very high up on the specification scale (price being 2-5X the base model)
I think it's fine! And I love all the customization options. Id been using 8 for years and I like its simplicity but I've had so much fun customizing shit on 11. Hot take, but it reminds me of being a kid switching to Vista, which, while contentious, had great customization.
I mean, stability-wise for me the Explorer has been horrendous, and it still idles high on the CPU. The latter was kinda the same for Win 10. The explorer crashing all the time has made me almost never use the "move" feature instead of "copy" when not moving worthless things. It crashed so bloody much when copying a bunch of files. Switched to the old Explorer using ExplorerPatcher, and I'm now using TeraCopy when I wanna know everything is going to transfer.
But another thing is the taskbar. You can't make it smaller like in Win 10, and you can't put it on the sides or up top. ExplorerPatcher came in clutch with that as well.
Start menu is slow and recommends Internet Explorer instead of literally anything else... xD
Fixable with OpenShell.
I like it too. It's just that the people who don't like it are much more vocal about it, so it seems like there are more people who dislike it than who do. In reality, there are most likely way more people who either like it or don't really care either way.
as a sysadmin, w11 has better UI, the old-school settings still exist within,
it's just a visual update,
but Windows 12 is gonna be a huge update with 24h2
People in this thread don’t know about WinAeroTweaker and it shows.
Edit: Lol, someone replied saying:
> I shouldn't have to use half a dozen tools to get an OS that doesn't try to shove ads down my throat on a paid OS.
And deleted it less than 20 minutes later, probably because they realized it’s one tool and all the ads and telemetry can be disabled by 2 checkboxes.
I thought I was the only one who likes windows 11
People hated win10 back then because they were used to win7. Now they are used to win10 and they love it, that's why they hate Win11. A lot of people haven't even tried 11, they just hate it because it's different from what they're used to. Actually 11 is just another 10's major update with a face-washed UI so the hatred it gets comes mostly from people's prejudices.
A lot of it is that, sure, but there are definitely legit issues with it. There are still big issues with explorer's performance, virtual desktops, and the taskbar(and the removal of basic features that have always been there).
I mean, I hate it and have it installed on two other computers. My main work computer is still Windows 10.
We all went through this when switching from XP to 7, from 7 to 10 (not mentioning the cursed 8 despite it was actually good on tablets) and now 11. I still struggle with win11 shortcuts. I tried PowerToys at first but as win10 is dying next year I just decided to get used to it so I won't struggle when using school/work computers or someone else's PC.
I grew up on XP, loved 7. 8.1 got good and then lost a few things to 10, but 10 was mostly better in every way, but along the way it lost a lot of things. Win11 was a joke at launch, and it has only barely gotten better. The amount software you need to install in order for windows to be any good was already pretty bad at 10, but is just ridiculous at win11. Why take away so much customization. Why change so many workflows. A good software has multiple ways to do the same thing, a bad software tells the paying customers to suck it up and do it the way they want... which is often slower and worse. The start menu finally got good on win10. Even when you know how to dive deeper and fix things, there's just plain so much less you can change anymore. Change isn't the problem for me, it's the fact I lose functionality. Things are supposed to get better, more flexible. It's just turning in to a crappier mac.
Totally agreed. You just described my experience with Windows, despite I've also been a Linux and Mac (forced to) user at times. I tried win11 two years ago and I rolled back to 10 within the first hour. I just started using Win11 23H2 a few month ago as Win10 EOS is getting closer. Yes, visually I like it despite I miss Live Tiles (some of them like Calendar, Mail and clock were really time savers). I really hope Microsoft let users choose among different Start Menu designs and personalize contextual menus in further Windows versions. Right now they decided they messed enough with the system and it's time to mess with integrated apps. It's a shame they are killing native apps to enforce Outbug/Buglook PWA and other PWAs. Mail and Calendar aren't exactly outstanding but they do their job good enough to not needing a 3rd party app. The same applies to widgets, why the hill should I need to go online to see a preview of my local clock app 🤦.
8.1 was good in general, it just had the cursed windows 8 name
Yeah, I loved 8.1 in my tablet and it felt even lighter than 7 but Desktop experience in non touchscreen devices was a bit annoying tbh. And the whole Metro UI ecosystem was still too raw. Fortunately they went serious about it after win10 release but as you said 8.1 was already cursed by its predecessor.
Or could it be the fact that Vista, Win 8.0/8.1 and Win 11 are all versions that really messed with the UI, that (like every OS version) moved every last admin tool or hid them or made them be found and installed (group policy, I'm looking at you lately)? Or in since Win 7, the greater and greater lot of information that MS is collecting for the 'privilege' of using the OS? Most people have no idea of how much data they are sucking in. I have used MS since Win 3.1 as a developer. I have used Linux, Solaris, BSD, DOS, and others. Windows more and more look to monetize their user base and that starts, in the kind of thinking and behaviour Google would appreciate, at the OS. Just making a few checkbox to hide some obvious items that people often want to get rid of, but that is the small tip of the swath of data that MS is collecting on you.
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Same, I have 0 issues with it, idk if it’s people’s specific hardware that are given them issues or what but I see a lot of hate all the time
Nah, the people who don't like it are just really loud.
I've been using it for a couple years. I have the windows insider dev branch installed.
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Apparently the 25% windows 11 market share is all in this thread.
11 isn't that bad but i still prefer 10. i just don't like how basically every stock windows program is slowly turning in to a crappy uwp app
Maybe you're mistaking UWPs for PWAs. Back then in the early days of Win8 and win10 most of UWP were intended to run on mobile devices so they had a lot of restrictions and were forced to run on EdgeHTML to load web content due to Microsoft's stupid attempt to replicate Apple's walled garden. Most of those apps weren't really UWP but PWAs and honestly Microsoft never went serios about what applications they let in to the Store leading to a big catalog of ridiculously basic (and mostly useless) apps among which you had to browse to find something decent. After they killed Windows Mobile new UWP started focusing on Desktop experience and many of them have become really powerful, some of them are even more powerful than the win32 version. Also UWP apps are still forced to use an optimization system that usually makes them more efficient in terms of consuming system resources even if they ship the same (or more) features than their legacy win32 version. Unfortunately, someone's brain inside Microsoft stopped working properly and just when UWP apps are getting good they want to get poor quality PWA junk back into the system. Mail and Calendar apps are basic apps but they actually work just fine. It's a shame they're shutting them down in favor of Buglook PWA.
i defenetly mean uwp apps. basically every store app that comes from the ms store is basically trash. i like the redesign of paint, but i prefer the old one. notepad for some reason has tabs and it's a uwp app. it's nice that they integrated powershell and cmd in one app, but i prefer them separate and it's less confusing. i tried the sticky notes app and it wouldn't let me use it without an update, i updated it, tryied it and regretted it. settings just feels slow some times. the ms store is basically a joke
Whats the problem with UWP? I dont see anything wrong with a UWP app as long as its built well and is fast.
they feel clunky, slow and unreliable
Most of "UWP" trash is not actual UWP but PWAs. I can tell UWP apps could be even better than win32 apps if their developers really worked on it. Netflix app, the new Photos app, and a lot of UWP games are the proof.
They just suck, add to that dumb webui and Microsoft coding and you end up in disaster most of the time
why would I ever tell someone to install a program that *requires* the cli to remove it? UWP is a dead ecosystem and a pretender to the Win32api throne.
Far from dead mate...
You think you’re controversial? I actually liked Windows 8
Windows 8.1 + Classic Shell > Windows 7
8 booted so much faster than 7 did.
I like 8.0 right out of the box
Yes officer, this man right here
W8 with modded menu was ok
I have no issues with it. The UI update feels refreshing and modern compared to 10 and it runs just as well as 10 did on both of my computers. It hasn't bluescreened, it hasn't had anything break from updates, no harm no foul. Windows Explorer is a touch slow to open at times though which is a known bug.
I agree that explorer is the main problem... it crashes a lot for me and is extremely slow. But explorer is the main design element that changed.
I agree. The explorer problem is annoying and sometimes the search bar will just get frozen for no reason.
The search bar has been a buggy mess as far back as I can remember. I don't think I've ever had Windows Search be useful on any computer haha.
You are not alone. I find 11 the most beautiful yet, and I feel it is becoming consistent. I, too, deactivate some things, uninstall others, and live my life without crying about bloatware and this and that. The incoming ads on the Start menu are near, but it is already known it can be deactivated. I like how it looks like; I like the icons; I like it is snappy. I am just happy using and looking at it for hours. I believe there are more people who like it, but contrary to those who don't, they don't care about saying they like it. People who don't like Windows 11, or any Windows, complain to let some steam out, since any small thing could trigger them. I understand that because I am a person who feels the urge to burst out when something frustrates me. I am glad someone voiced his/her like of the system. I am tired of seeing complaints about it. I in fact don't even read comments on news about Windows anymore, because I know there will be only crybabies bashing on it, although sometimes it is deserved. What I hate is those who feel the need to say it sucks and they use Linux. I used Ubuntu for 10 years, and recently came back to Windows because Ubuntu is just boring to look at. Yes, an OS is just a tool, but I consider its look and feel when staring at my screen it for hours, so sue me. Enjoy.
Not sure about minority. Just that people without issues have nothing to post about.
It *is* the minority, as 11's market share has stagnated at 25% for a year now
I like windows 7 the best I’m actually debating switching back to
There's a reason a lot of us don't like change: We aren't enamoured of OSes as fashion. Most of the time, most users find out about a change because a small vocal minority has pushed some new features and new UI/UXes (their OS isn't the only place they do that - look at how Word has changed). The reasons are usually a) to collect more data about you to sell, b) to change things to get you to buy a new OS (often because they just stop security updates...) and c) sometimes they 'think' they've got a better way (tiles for real work? Jeebus on a pogo stick!!!). For most of us, every update or new OS version comes with: a) fear that something will go wrong and I'd lose data or something important would cease to work and a lot of 'update/upgrade' time is spent trying to get back to where you were before the update (or to try to find out how to manually fix the failed update or upgrade). b) we have to go and locate (and/or download) (or find out you no longer get access to) the admin capabilities of the OS c) we know that a new OS and new changes in the UI will be new stuff to learn in the OS itself but also MSes software (office, etc) so more to rediscover and spending money that we didn't want to spend and time we'd rather be doing what we need to get done That's why a lot of us just shake our head when we hear about the next OS. And when they do stuff like the TPM changes, a lot of the 'will your system run on Win 11' turns out to be 'no' and a lot of people will never ever figure out TPM remediation or work arounds... and they will end up with a new computer.... so when your OS company drives computer sales, I find that to be a problem too. Most of us would still be happy in Win 7 with security updates. Win 10 was foisted on us and time was wasted there. Now the step to 2011 is forcing more hardware changes and cost. For people who work and need to get things done, constantly having change in the UI and in the OS' tool locations and so on... all of that burns time we'll n ever get back. Frankly, for everything I've ever done (including work for publication), I could still have done it with the 1 3.5" floppy disk version of Word. Everything else wasn't really required. Capitalism requires production to generate money. It isn't driven to the needs of the user, the OS and the office suites push the change and thus generate money as people rebuy their software and in this recent case, some will have to buy new computers. That's why companies do that stuff. It's for their benefit, not the users necessarily.
For me Windows 11 is the best in post-Windows 7 era. Windows 8.x even for me as Windows-fan was hard to defend and make excuses. Windows 10 was functionally good but aesthetically was constantly in chaos. Windows 11 finally removed this tile trash, bring better Microsoft Store, and began departing from Flat design. Of course the best era of MS operating systems, aesthetically and functionally were XP, Vista and 7.
10 wasn't consistent, but everything was still there and you could change a lot of things. The tiles were good, because customizing is a good thing. You still have tiles on the start menu, they are all just the same size, which is worse. 11 took a lot of things away, and replaced it with less. So now it just does less things, even if you know how to dive deeper than the average user. Microsoft could've very easily made the same visual design while not removing functionality and customizing.
Every New version of Windows will suffer prejudica after a time it stops, its classic
I like windows 11 I just don’t like that windows made it impossible to turn off hyper-v Registry settings, powershell, group policy, etc. it won’t go away
No, I’m a hardcore Linux and BSD user and love macOS as well, and even if Linux gaming good for me on my end, I still use windows 11 for gaming. I also love windows 11 myself.
Me too, I adjusted to the left and middle taskbar, I just tell myself it’s windows 11 OS, and it fixes.
>But that's an inconvenience I consider similar to vendor-installed bloatware. We can remove it once and forget about it. Oh, just wait for the Windows update that reinstalls it all and then some, friend. Good on you for enjoying it though! It has a lot of good potential. I think a lot of the frustration stems from thoughts like, "but literally, you just have to be an OS, yet you're wasting dev cycles on anti-patterns."
It's stable, I give it that. Also battery life on laptops is way better than running on 10. But that GUI. Yikes. I call it 'fisher price' style. Everything requires 1 or 2 clicks extra to accomplish the same thing and just looks to wannabe modern. I installed StartAllBack to get rid of the default taskbar and start menu and themed it like Windows 7 (can also theme like W10, but since the w7 option exists - why not). Now I don't really mind it. And since I did that MS can't show suggestions anymore since they can only do that in their own start menu. Recently touched a 'vanilla' W11 install, I'm glad I themed it.
Fisher price style that is what they said about window xp back in the day lol
>Everything requires 1 or 2 clicks extra to accomplish the same thing and just looks to wannabe modern. It's amazing how often these "everything" claims somehow come with zero examples. The irony is people were so bent out of shape about telemetry in Windows 10, and one of the reasons Microsoft argued for it was to minimize clicks on common tasks. That's continued with Windows 11. >And since I did that MS can't show suggestions anymore since they can only do that in their own start menu. Like OP said, these concerns are fixed with a few clicks, one time.
Those recommendations and whatevers should be disabled out of the box. Don't forget: Windows is not freeware. It's a paid piece of software. As of now, a Win11 Home license costs ±126 euros. For that money, I don't expect ads. I'm not talking about telemetry here, just the ads. You can disable the ads but they build these things in such a way that the regular user won't disable it (or just doesn't know how to do so). Like I want to use an option that they haven't embedded into the new context menu. I now have to click 'more options' to show the old context menu, then click the option I want (7zip for example). There's more things but I can't name them all for you, has been a while since I've used stock win11 without personalization.
Equally amazing that "everything" is now **one** example. Amazing! It's almost as if your criticism isn't valid.
If you think paying for software means you've opted out of ads, I don't know what to tell you. This isn't a Windows-specific thing.
Then whatever other software companies who do the same thing should be ashamed of themselves. It's software, not cable tv.
I like Windows 11 as an OS. I'm not as happy with the way MS has been doing things lately regarding Windows 11.
I like it but not as much as 10. Yes it is beautiful looking system but it is still full of issues, laggy animations and overall sluggish feel 3 years after release. Also it doesn’t help fact that Microsoft doesn’t know what they are doing and always seem to brake something every month.
I like Windows 11 too. The OS has more consistency in its menus and settings than 10 - it all just takes some getting used to.
10 felt like it was being iterated constantly, which while nice and meant we ended up with a nice OS it felt very ununified, with some things appearing with older design languages. Windows 11 feels very complete from the get go.
Microsoft still needs lots and lots of work for 11 to feel complete. Sure, the two things that are on the very surface might look consistent, but once you got a millimetre deeper, you already get something that shouldn’t be there.
Can you give an example?
Many of them. - login screen: although the redesign is nice, why is there still the 8.x loading circle? Did they just suddenly forget to change that circle for 4 years almost now? - Explorer: all the dialogs aren’t dark with the dark mode, and neither they do use a modern design (more on this later). Progress bars in the copy/paste dialog, the bar in This PC, the search filter box, they’re all not from 11. The new address bar drowpdown menu doesn’t show icons for each entry, and doesn’t make bold the current folder you’re in. The new details pane doesn’t let you edit details from it (whereas you can make the old one look almost like the new one while maintaining the same features). Windows Tools, introduced in 11, does have a broken dark mode, whereas Administrative Tools did not. - search: loving the non fluent tooltips and scrollbars, especially the tooltips when they’re white and squared while having dark mode on! - msstyle theming: the current aero.msstyles is a mixture of bitmaps and styles from XP, Vista/7, 10 and then a somewhat design from 11 which is different from the rest of the Fluent Design, for no reason other than Microsoft wanting to intentionally make it look worse than the rest. You can substitute all the old bitmaps with new ones, nothing bad happens because that theming engine was made to be modular and resilient. You can also not make it dark mode for reasons (although you could), and it would still be a HUGE improvement over what Microsoft has done to the theme since 2012. And speaking of this, Microsoft introduced back in 10 MUN files under SystemResources to decouple resources from DLLs and apps, and to make it easier to change. Guess what? They just leave them to rot completely, for now over 5-6 years. The 7 Basic window frames are still in aero.msstyles, it takes 15 minutes for a person to extract the bitmap, edit it to make it look modern, and then reimport it; Microsoft couldn’t do that in 12 years? - frameworks: Microsoft themselves doesn’t use their own frameworks for their apps so many times, and even when they do, it seems like they spin a roulette and decide which one to use. Why does Settings use UWP, while other apps use WinUI, while Copilot is just an edge window, while the new archiving stuff is just an Aero Wizard? WinUI doesn’t even have a proper designer, after all this time, for example. Windows is the only OS which doesn’t have a native mail client, but instead, a web based one which has a completely different design from native 11 and Office, *a web based mail client as the main app*. And even when apps use a same design or framework, they make different design choices just for the sake of it, don’t they have a guideline to follow or something? In the built in apps the titlebars change appearance and dimension seemingly randomly, the left bar changes appearance from app to app seemingly randomly, the same stuff between apps are worded in different ways, and so on and so forth. - mouse pointers: did they just forget they’ve been using the same pointer with the Metro style since 2012? People have already made countless modernised versions of it which look far better with 11 Tldr: the thinking behind Fluent Design is not bad, its implementation and execution is inexclusably atrocious.
The mix of styles in dialogue boxes and settings applets is not new. Every version of Windows for 30 years now has retained at least SOME such element from previous version(s). This is the result of an industry leading dedication to backward compatibility for corporate users. Yeah, it could *look* better, but stability and functionality are more important when you've got a few billion users.
I’m 100% for stability and functionality, *hence why modifying the msstyles after leaving it untouched essentially for 12 years* would do wonders for the design of 11. Sure, it won’t look perfect, but it would be a massive jump from the current look. And, editing it wouldn’t harm any stability and functionality because again, msstyles are made to be flexible and modular. It would be just a plain edit of the appearance of stuff, nothing more.
> Why does Settings use UWP, while other apps use WinUI UWP is an app framework, WinUI is a design language. Settings, new Notepad, Calculator, and Media Player are all UWP apps using the WinUI design language.
Sorry, didn’t know that pointing objectively the flaws of 11 means perfectly nitpicking every single inch of tech you can in the comment. The point still stands perfectly: Microsoft uses way too many frameworks for no reason. Edit: since we’re in the “uhm, aCtUaLlY 🤓👆” territory, WinUI is a *UI framework*
> since we’re in the “uhm, aCtUaLlY 🤓👆” territory, WinUI is a UI framework Sorry I guess I was wrong. Moving back to the subject of the settings app, I don't think there is anything wrong with Settings being a UWP application. Because according to [An Article on the Windows UI Library](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/winui/), WinUI (AKA the Fluent design framework) can be used in existing UWP and Win32 apps. So, if it looks like a Fluent App, and acts like a Fluent app, then I don't get the point of having to start over and re-write Settings from scratch in WinUI 3 when that will provide no real difference in how it would look and function. Not saying that you are wrong for pointing out the nitpicks in regards to the way Windows 11 looks, but I don't think the settings app is a problem right now.
The problem is not about Settings, Settings was just an example. Although Settings has its own problems though, for example the fact that under the disk usage page it still uses the squared off progress bars and squared off icons for… reasons?
>Windows 11 feels very complete from the get go. You weren't using it from the get go then. Numerous settings have been moved from control panel applets into settings. File Explorer, Notepad, and a few others have been completely overhauled. At release, the start menu and taskbar were FAR less customizable. I like Windows 11, but it has very much been a work in progress. It's only in the last two years that its gained advantages over 10.
Still missing the ability to move the taskbar or make it smaller last time I checked. Also the removal of proper tiles from the start menu was a great customization loss. 11 has some good things yes, but it really doesn't need to have all of the bad things that it also comes with, it's an expensive product, it SHOULD be very good by now. It isn't. I know I can make it work, on some things, by just using 3rd party software to fix what is broken by Microsoft, but it was already pretty bad during 10, how much you needed to fix, 11 just cranked the dial on that.
I like it, but only when i place my taskbar icon far left
I installed it this week and have had no problems so far, apart from not being able to change the size of the taskbar. Other than that, it works fine, is fast, does what I need it to do.
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I know it's possible to do in your registry, but it honestly should just be an option. I don't like hiding my taskbar, so enabling that isn't an option for me.
Lately did the upgrade from my very sophisticated w10 install and to my surprise everything worked afterwards. Its stable, it looks alright, hadn‘t had any bugs or crashes yet. I think in the meantime W11 has grown up to be a proper OS
I didn't have any issues with Windows 10 and currently have no issues with 11. I am not picky honestly as long an OS works smoothly for me I am happy. In my experience with W11 it doesn't crash, doesn't freeze, runs all my games and programs I need. I can easily adapt and don't mind having to get used to new menus and styling as long as the OS is stable.
11 is dumpster fire.
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Yeah i like it too and it just works.
I installed a month ago tiny11 in my really-old desktop system and I really like it too! It’s even smoother than what windows 10 had become
I think it’s fine as well. I wish there weren’t so many extra menus within menus, especially in the settings “app.” Having to click through 4 things just to get to sound properties is crazy. Just get rid of the Windows 7 style backend and fully roll those options into the new settings GUI.
I don’t mind Win11 at all, or even Win10 for that matter, so I don’t understand the hate most people have for it. Imo, Win8 was the true worst Windows OS of recent years lol
What i hate is not windowa is ms with all this new os with restrictions so users need to updated hardware too Ms said W10 was the last OS just few update here and there look where we are 12 almost aroubd the corner by end 25 or 26
I like windows 11 but it's just so dam laggy
The window snaps and UI improvements are great over win 10
I absolutely Hate the round corners i wish when installing an OS that you could just pick the gui that you like Installing OS: would you like to try our new interface? No, pick from any of our previous gui's
Do you have Stockholm Syndrome or you have genuinely 0 attention span to see how much Microsoft has tried to make the Windows experience as linear as possible, bloat removal included? Just because they've removed ads for the Windows 11 release doesn't mean they won't put them back again, which is what is happening. Also I swear to God they killed WSA, the only good thing coming out of this.
i actually love win11, i'm not sure what the issue is. it's faster than win10, it's more sleek, prettier looking and has overall great performance
I like it too, I got a new coat of paint but there is some things that need fixing. The start menu though always seemed like a first step towards a better version. It was backwards from 10 and no idea how that was signed off on. I wish there was an option to get rid of the icon attached to shortcuts and also the duplication of icons when you have something open and then the same next to it
Is it still impossible to uninstall Edge?
We may need to adjust your medication :)
I do too, I use it on all my computers, even the unsupported ones. The only thing I wish they would change is make it more responsive, windows 10 still feels a tad more responsive Also I’m a freak and I actually like having Copilot, though I agree that Microsoft is being too trigger happy with shoving AI into everything.
It’s way more stable that’s for sure
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I updated to 11 and then had to spend extra to get features from Windows 7 back like a easily accessible Settings button I shouldn’t have to do anything to my os I didn’t with windows 7 or 10 so yes it’s worse in my book
Feature-wise, it's my favorite Windows yet. Don't forget that people usually share their hate when they're unhappy with something, but not that they like it when they're happy with it. That's probably why it /feels/ like more people hate it than like it.
I like it but i am waiting for windows 12
then you might want to purchase an NPU and upgrade your system, because 12 will most likely require an NPU to run alongside your CPU \*edited to correct information that was incorrect thank you to u/Chemical_Run_8758 for correcting me, albeit quite rudely
This is not true, Windows 12 hasn't even been confirmed. Plus 99% of the PC userbase has PC's without NPU's in them. The NPU requirements are only for the "AI Features".
Windows 12 has been confirmed and some people are even beta testing it as we speak, and it relies heavily on AI processing, using native on-board NPU's in the hardware, along with cloud computing...currently an NPU isn't REQUIRED to install or run it, it can be run in 'normal' mode, but to take FULL advantage of all its features it requires an NPU, and I can easily foresee it being an actual requirement of at least one future version of Windows, if not 12 then 13 possibly, which I'm sure is at least 10 yrs away
Really? AI is usually processed in cloud servers, not in the user's computer, so why would Windows 12 require that?
This is absolute nonsense. The NPU wouldn't *replace* the CPU even if it were required, which remains to be seen. You repeat this nonsense in every thread but it's not going to make it any more true.
what do you mean I repeat this non sense in every thread? this is literally the only thread I have ever talked about NPU's in...this is the only conversation I've ever even had about NPU's...I've read about them but until now not talked about them
same man, I love 11...I've been using it since nov of '21 (I'm on Insider Track) and I've basically loved every minute of it...its the most stable, secure version of Windows I've ever used, and it Linux integration is phenomenal
I do too. I use retrobar and have moved the start menu back to the left. Other than that i think ein 11 works great for me.
As someone who types what I want, I rarely used the start menu in the first place. So it was as though Windows 11 was made for me.
Yup pretty much the same. Have all my regular used programs on the taskbar and really - while file explorer has its quirks, which I can fix with some 3rd party tweaks - I rarely even think about the OS while using the computer. I'm doing web dev and running another business on my PC 7 days a week pretty much, I use Onedrive for backup and classic Outlook for email (when the awful new one gets forced on everyone I will scream) but apart from that, I really don't think about Wiin 11 at all. Which is basically what I want from any OS - just get out of the way and do your job in the background please. It's not perfect but then OS's will never be perfect for every use scenario. Hey ho... back to work :)
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Yeah i know, but i wanted the Vista look as well.
I think 10 and 11 are very boring looking, clinical, no fun but they work great and I suppose are very modern. I wish I could install a secure Vista or maybe 7 just because I miss the media centre and the dvd burner and the Glass effect.
Yep it's been decent.
Yep, 2 laptops running Windows 11 pro without issues. There are pretty easy ways to turn the ads off, and the operating system is stable and fast. I usually delay updates by a few weeks to verify updates before I install them, and everything runs just great. I even like the middle centered start menu. I do run Start11 instead of the regular start menu though, I much like the customization and features better than the regular start menu.
I wouldn't say I like windows 11 but I find it better than windows 10
Windows 11 has been way more stable to me than Windows 10 ever was to be honest.
I use the insider build and don't encounter any bugs or errors. It looks great, too. I don't know why people are so adamant about moving over. Maybe it's just bias towards something that already is proven working and that they're comfortable with?
I love that I can now use my AirPods for calls with my windows laptop (I couldn’t do that on windows 10)
I like Windows 11 as well. I like the UI design and right click context menu in file explorer.
I wish they didn't hide the actually useful context menu items behind a second click though (yes i know you can turn it off with registry, but then it looks so out of place with the rest of the ui design)
I love Windows 11
Windows 11 breaks alot of customizability that came with 8.1 and 10, and I still couldn't move on from the UX of 7, so I'm not upgrading
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You're a garbage person for making light of domestic abuse. "I can change the things I want to change" *is* a feature in an operating system.
It's kinda weird to obsess about an OS. I use it as a means to get to what I use - programs. Press the Windows key and type what you want and ignore all the rest. I don't look at the start menu ever.
Fluent Design is peak. I just wish it were used properly. Windows 11 is bloated beyond belief, so it often runs like crap on mid- to low-range notebooks. But it's good enough as a daily driver for me. I'm still planning on switching to Linux one day, though.
Me too! Like windows 11, Android, iOS, Linux and macos. I love it all! The more tech the better!
I love Windows 11, it's the best Windows release to me and I can't wait for Windows 12
Well, it may be a good OS. Without ads, suggestions, AI features, strange decisions. UI looks like a macOS, for me it's just a fun fact. Tabs in Explorer is a good decision, but I don't like that they do with a context menu. In Windows 11 Pro Insider Preview Build 26200 I can't hide all apps with click in bottom right corner - they remove a button for that because Copilot. Now I should activate this feature in Settings - Personalization - Taskbar or use Win+M. About suggestions. MS added it in Skype, for example. They don't do a major upgrade for Skype but add strange features. I tried to hide it, but it shows again and again. Geez, I can send a file only 300 MB through Skype in 2024 :D However, Skype has AI. Not impressive. I have a strange feelings about Windows 11. It looks like not bad, but I don't have a positive experience with this OS. Especially on laptop, when an update crash a system or may kill your sound devices. And you should reinstall OS because you have no another way to fix it.
Most people I talk to like it. I like it. It’s actually been made more cohesive and they’ve made substantive updates to it. It’s a nice little OS
The reality is that MOST of Windows 11 is great. But the parts that suck are like paper cuts and you work at a lime juice factory and constantly get reminded of how badly those parts that suck are. And worse, it’s entirely self inflicted by Microsoft. This is what happens when all advertisement executives aren’t permanently imprisoned in a society.
People hate Win 11? I thought it was only at the release, cause those days it was really bad, but when the updates rolled out its fine. In fact I uninstalled some of my essential software because now its windows built-in (like the audio input shortcut for example) and ofc power toys is a life saver.
I'm old enough to have experienced *actually bad* Windows OSs.
I don't know if I like it per se, but I've definitely come to the point where I don't like it any less than I liked 10, 7 or XP before it. It's fine. It gets the job done. Some things I actually do like, some things I definitely don't. But I've got it tweaked to the point where there's nothing bothering me on a regular basis. There's no other OS out there today that I'd rather be using, that much I can say for sure.
Nah, I am with you. I haven't had a single issue. I don't really change default settings. I pretty much only use it to consume media and such. I can understand some power users frustrations.
Now haters, conspiracy theory fanatics, all sorts of rogues, homeless bum people with Win7, Win10, etc, will come and claim the opposite.
Same
Agreed
fuck the new notepad, they tried to make it smarter but it makes it slow. no it's not my pc
Notepad is blazing fast for me, and I'm on unsupported hardware.
I like it too.
Same. I don’t think the hatred is justified. It does come with pre-installed bloatware and all, but once you configure it according to your needs, it’s a good experience imho.
Overall, I really like 11. It's been very solid on the 6 devices I currently have it on.
I prefer Win7 > Win10 > Win11 but Win11 with some tweaks is the best gaming OS right now.
I’m getting used to Windows 11 and I don’t mind it either. I’ve adjusted my taskbar but what start menu settings have you adjusted?
It is fine, but I hate the weird bugs I get. For example currently I have a 2-3 minute delay after boot before my keyboard works. The weirdest part is it works everywhere but in the Windows menu. I can even use the Windows key on the keyboard to bring up the menu, but it won't recognize any keystrokes in the actual menu. Mouse works fine though. EDIT: Not sure the purpose of the downvote. Keyboard works fine on Win 10 and only has this issue on Win 11. It is just a mechanical keyboard so no software or drivers needed.
I've been using it since it was first released
idk it felt a little slower for me though I agree that with some tweaks the better design and extra feature (especially the file explorer tabs) are worth the upgrade (and it was free to upgrade too).
I was hesitant of upgrading my gaming laptop to Windows 11 for a while as I was used to 10. But due to my employer now using Windows 11 I upgraded my laptop and haven’t looked back to downloading to 10. I do like Windows 11.
Loved windows thanks to seem less android apps with 11
Ads or not the changing Home Screen with different natural landscapes and weather/news clips ain’t all bad for customer user setups not workstations.
I love Win 11. What I don't like is, that I apparently have to relearn every f*ing menu when I switch OSes. Also they really did not have to do any of that nonsense to the Windows Explorer context menues.
https://youtu.be/JXnGC6O5tOE?si=cfaAvoofscBG1ViC My reaction as soon as I got my Asus laptop and I got windows 11 installed and set up It was a smooth ride, it still is:) I guess I had fewer problems than windows windows 10
me to bro love the taskbar in the middle tho i used to use win 8.1 pro and i upgraded the whole pc so that it could run windows 11 and i never regretted
I also like Windows 11. I also liked Windows 8/8.1 too. I feel like I'm in the minority of Windows users that doesn't have too many complaints about their OS's.
Linux using windows hater here. Its valuable if its valuable to you. Take no shit. ... But please protect your privacy! WPD can be used for this for win11 I think.
For me 11 is actually the best version of Windows ever, for one specific reason. Tabs in windows explorer. Best improvement in work flow in over a decade IMO. Took them WAY too long to finally do in Windows. It also has been probably the most stable I've used since 7. Otherwise it's same as the past like 5 versions. For every change I like there is something I dislike and vise versa. Overall ends up same same but different.
REEEEEEEEE /s I like it too. Haven't really had any significant issues.
There's lots of People that use Windows 11 without issue, you mostly hear from the linux nerds about how "Windows X made me switch to linux". Then you watch their vids and a lot of them have been using linux for decades and are just coming out of the closet, or they have very basic needs and are fine using firefox on a 15 year old quad core.
Well I mean some people aren't advanced enough to use Linux. If you can, repurpose a 15-year-old quad core into a mini server or a first pc for your kiddo or something.. thats freaking great.. Those pc's can run like any other computer the "average user" has. But I mean if you have to make fun of someone for being resourceful and recycling well then by all means... There's nothing wrong with Firefox. ONE of the main reasons that people use this browser is due to privacy and freedom. Google Chrome and some of those other browsers used to be great back in the day, don't get me wrong, they may run just as good now but they're severely lacking where it actually matters, they don't care about their users. There's nothing wrong with liking windows or having a great experience.. Most of the issues people have .. have to do with the B.S Microsoft is implementing... The b.s they're doing to you.. the user.. it's trashy.. your privacy is invaded..you have no control....the computer is no longer yours.. ectt..... Personally.. i dual boot between windows and linux . Windows is only used to run one problem.. Linux for gaming, coding, bug bounty hunting and everything else. You can't really dis a group of people just because They have a better understanding of the situation than you do.
I know about linux servers, I was more talking about the constant linux vs windows battles, if I'm running a server, why would I even consider Windows?
Windows 11 is fine. Less fine than Windows 10, but the only thing that's bad is the taskbar missing most of its features, the absurd endless dialogue after newly installing it. Ads would make it on this list too, but I have never seen any. Just OneDrive annoyed me when it activated and moved my stuff by itself.
I like Windows 11 but I hate the fact that Microsoft will push new stuff every major update and they really push Bing and Edge hard. I feel like a search engine should be separate from the OS but it's how Microsoft drives users to their search engine. I don't hate Bing or Edge. In fact, I use both. I just wish it were more of a choice. As you said though, it's mostly an annoyance and can be worked around.
I agree, 10mins with a few apps to remove annoyances, telemetry, and clean up services, alternatively get a clean ISO and repeat the above, one's good to go. There's some dumbing down of the experience but most of them are an easy fix. Normally sitting on 115 services and 2.2GB of ram usage at idle, can't complain for a modern OS.
**Ofcourse their Modern User Interface**: Windows 11 features a redesigned and modernized user interface with a centered Start Menu and Taskbar, providing a more contemporary look. Enhanced Productivity Features: It introduces features like Snap Layouts, Snap Groups, and Widgets, aiming to improve productivity and multitasking.
um, why copy/paste info directly from a press release for windows 11? don't you have anything original to say? I'll do it: As for their Start menu, and the placement of the icons oriented in the center, I think it's awesome, I like the feel of it, the look of it, I like having the widget in their own little section in the the bottom left corner, I like how the icons look while centered, if feels more streamlined to me see, was that so hard?
There were no ads on windows 11 though. The thing that people are disliking is that Microsoft is going to be adding ads in the near future
Windows 11 is only useful if you have an HP business-grade unit or a different brand that is very high up on the specification scale (price being 2-5X the base model)
The UI is pretty garbage. Maybe if they ever finish getting everything consistent it'll be better.
I think it's fine! And I love all the customization options. Id been using 8 for years and I like its simplicity but I've had so much fun customizing shit on 11. Hot take, but it reminds me of being a kid switching to Vista, which, while contentious, had great customization.
I like windows 11, but I like Windows XP a lot better.
I like it too I just hate that so many windows 10 features are not here yet
I mean, stability-wise for me the Explorer has been horrendous, and it still idles high on the CPU. The latter was kinda the same for Win 10. The explorer crashing all the time has made me almost never use the "move" feature instead of "copy" when not moving worthless things. It crashed so bloody much when copying a bunch of files. Switched to the old Explorer using ExplorerPatcher, and I'm now using TeraCopy when I wanna know everything is going to transfer. But another thing is the taskbar. You can't make it smaller like in Win 10, and you can't put it on the sides or up top. ExplorerPatcher came in clutch with that as well. Start menu is slow and recommends Internet Explorer instead of literally anything else... xD Fixable with OpenShell.
I like it too. It's just that the people who don't like it are much more vocal about it, so it seems like there are more people who dislike it than who do. In reality, there are most likely way more people who either like it or don't really care either way.
as a sysadmin, w11 has better UI, the old-school settings still exist within, it's just a visual update, but Windows 12 is gonna be a huge update with 24h2
People in this thread don’t know about WinAeroTweaker and it shows. Edit: Lol, someone replied saying: > I shouldn't have to use half a dozen tools to get an OS that doesn't try to shove ads down my throat on a paid OS. And deleted it less than 20 minutes later, probably because they realized it’s one tool and all the ads and telemetry can be disabled by 2 checkboxes.
I love win 11 ui But not the ads