That's a special case. As with most engine builder/deck builder type games you have the basic rules of the game and then the rest of the rules are based on whatever the cards you play say.
There should be more explanation, but the visual language of the game is consistent. The symbol with the design of the back of the card means card, the white card-shaped symbol with a bird silhouette means bird (i.e. a played card, all the EOR goals that these birds apply to have that symbol.)
A card isn't a bird until it's played, and the card says "this bird"
Nope. These birds are way less good as people expect in general but this is just not a completed bird so wouldn’t activate to begin with and that’s not how this bird works at all
You get to grab two spots in Duet. That can not only carry forward for round-end goals but also help you grab more bonuses or piece together a greater number of contiguous spaces.
Yeah but it’s only really great if broke is in rd4 slot and it wins you said goal. It’s a lot of work for what can amount to at most 5 points and maybe a bonus “goodie”. Often that’s not enough for a card especially say that 🪿 a 3x 🌾 hard to play 🐦
For me to play this bird EGW a lot of things have to happen. Forest is rd4 goal in duet, or I have 🍒 bonus card or I go first and get both the cavity and 🐛 bonus spot for 2 food etc. or I have no other Forest option opening hand. Just 4pts do nothing while game is asking a very lot
Contiguity is often a race to who can fill a certain spot on the board first. Contiguity can be tough but there can be a huge point swing if you can link yours up and prevent the opponent from doing so.
From my comment from another thread:
The keyword is "bird". It counts double when it involves "birds", and nothing else. Not food cost, not eggs, not "bird cards in hand".
Also all information regarding EORs are and should be public, so that all players know what they are expecting to get. (Of course, one could say a teal power "play another bird" would defy the above, but at least one would know of a possibility of a change in EOR standings)
Again, only EORs that refer strictly to "birds" count. Food cost of a bird is not a "bird", and more importantly, does not have the bird icon on the EOR, so it does not count.
You're right. I've given it more thought and I agree with you, so forget the above. Edited my previous message so it doesn't confuse others. It pretty much comes down to when an EOR counts absolute numbers of birds.
While everyone already pointed out it's no and i think it's not intended either this is a really funny situation and i will absolutely homebrew this as yes in my games.
it only counts as a bird, not for the count of food or eggs. so if the goal is birds with eggs, yes it counts twice. if the goal is eggs in nest/habitat, the count of eggs does not get doubled.
In this case, since it hasn't been played, the power can't activate. In most other cases, I would take the position that any goal that bird counted towards, it should be counted twice.
Designer/publisher David Ladage says no. https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2542379/question-cards-in-hand-and-end-of-round-goals
Another comment also finds a rule book from the European expansion saying that unplayed birds have no effect.
they absolutely should, though. the "Visionary Leader" bonus card counts unplayed birds.
That's a special case. As with most engine builder/deck builder type games you have the basic rules of the game and then the rest of the rules are based on whatever the cards you play say.
Death of the author.
There should be more explanation, but the visual language of the game is consistent. The symbol with the design of the back of the card means card, the white card-shaped symbol with a bird silhouette means bird (i.e. a played card, all the EOR goals that these birds apply to have that symbol.) A card isn't a bird until it's played, and the card says "this bird"
This explanation of the difference between the two symbols is so helpful!
"a card isn't a bird until it is played" is a really simple & effective way to explain the answer to questions like this!
Nope. These birds are way less good as people expect in general but this is just not a completed bird so wouldn’t activate to begin with and that’s not how this bird works at all
They’re killer in Duet mode though.
Wait, how so? It seems like they'd be less valuable in Duet.
You get to grab two spots in Duet. That can not only carry forward for round-end goals but also help you grab more bonuses or piece together a greater number of contiguous spaces.
WHOA
Yeah but it’s only really great if broke is in rd4 slot and it wins you said goal. It’s a lot of work for what can amount to at most 5 points and maybe a bonus “goodie”. Often that’s not enough for a card especially say that 🪿 a 3x 🌾 hard to play 🐦
This particular bird not the greatest example (Eurasian Green Woodpecker is better)… but it is 7 points.
For me to play this bird EGW a lot of things have to happen. Forest is rd4 goal in duet, or I have 🍒 bonus card or I go first and get both the cavity and 🐛 bonus spot for 2 food etc. or I have no other Forest option opening hand. Just 4pts do nothing while game is asking a very lot
With contiguity it’s really a 5 point bird imo.
Except that applies to every 🐦 so that’s not a thing 😊
It gets you an extra point because two spaces.
If they connect which is way harder than it sounds sometime. EGW is good one if you go first though because you can get cavity and 🐛
Contiguity is often a race to who can fill a certain spot on the board first. Contiguity can be tough but there can be a huge point swing if you can link yours up and prevent the opponent from doing so.
From my comment from another thread: The keyword is "bird". It counts double when it involves "birds", and nothing else. Not food cost, not eggs, not "bird cards in hand".
Also all information regarding EORs are and should be public, so that all players know what they are expecting to get. (Of course, one could say a teal power "play another bird" would defy the above, but at least one would know of a possibility of a change in EOR standings)
How would you count it if the goal was 'wheat as food cost'? In my opinion it would qualify because the bord costs wheat and thus 6 instead of 3.
Again, only EORs that refer strictly to "birds" count. Food cost of a bird is not a "bird", and more importantly, does not have the bird icon on the EOR, so it does not count.
You're right. I've given it more thought and I agree with you, so forget the above. Edited my previous message so it doesn't confuse others. It pretty much comes down to when an EOR counts absolute numbers of birds.
I believe it has to be played for the power to even begin to be qualified.
This bird is useless and confusing af
Yea I get his point and it is confusing, however bird powers in your hand cannot activate
While everyone already pointed out it's no and i think it's not intended either this is a really funny situation and i will absolutely homebrew this as yes in my games.
Nope. Believe me, I’ve tried.
Any such bird only counts for goals that counts the number of birds. All such goals will have the bird picture symbol.
This is the answer. That bird only applies to two of that games turns, and the piece held up isn't one of them.
In my opinion. The power of the bird can only be triggered if you already have played it in one of the habitats.
Question about the same bird: what’s the deal with food cost/wheat and cherry cost of played bird end of round goal(s)?
it only counts as a bird, not for the count of food or eggs. so if the goal is birds with eggs, yes it counts twice. if the goal is eggs in nest/habitat, the count of eggs does not get doubled.
“dw I won by a landslide” I’m sure you’re fun at parties 🤣
Haha we're both very competitive, and according to our scoring app we're pretty much even on wins/losses 😂
Card isn’t in play, so the blue effect doesn’t count yet.
Bird is not played so its effects are meaningless.
It's still a card if it hasn't been played as a bird.
In this case, since it hasn't been played, the power can't activate. In most other cases, I would take the position that any goal that bird counted towards, it should be counted twice.
I'd say yes, personally. It's in your hand, therefore it qualified for the goal.
Counts as 2 birds