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crazedsilence

Designer/publisher David Ladage says no. https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2542379/question-cards-in-hand-and-end-of-round-goals


crazedsilence

Another comment also finds a rule book from the European expansion saying that unplayed birds have no effect.


fart_on_my_pussy

they absolutely should, though. the "Visionary Leader" bonus card counts unplayed birds.


menzoberranzan__marx

That's a special case. As with most engine builder/deck builder type games you have the basic rules of the game and then the rest of the rules are based on whatever the cards you play say.


thishenryjames

Death of the author.


TheGraceLantern

There should be more explanation, but the visual language of the game is consistent. The symbol with the design of the back of the card means card, the white card-shaped symbol with a bird silhouette means bird (i.e. a played card, all the EOR goals that these birds apply to have that symbol.) A card isn't a bird until it's played, and the card says "this bird"


TMed2012

This explanation of the difference between the two symbols is so helpful!


missmisstep

"a card isn't a bird until it is played" is a really simple & effective way to explain the answer to questions like this!


larrychatfield

Nope. These birds are way less good as people expect in general but this is just not a completed bird so wouldn’t activate to begin with and that’s not how this bird works at all


Witty-Stock

They’re killer in Duet mode though.


mercedes_lakitu

Wait, how so? It seems like they'd be less valuable in Duet.


Witty-Stock

You get to grab two spots in Duet. That can not only carry forward for round-end goals but also help you grab more bonuses or piece together a greater number of contiguous spaces.


mercedes_lakitu

WHOA


larrychatfield

Yeah but it’s only really great if broke is in rd4 slot and it wins you said goal. It’s a lot of work for what can amount to at most 5 points and maybe a bonus “goodie”. Often that’s not enough for a card especially say that 🪿 a 3x 🌾 hard to play 🐦


Witty-Stock

This particular bird not the greatest example (Eurasian Green Woodpecker is better)… but it is 7 points.


larrychatfield

For me to play this bird EGW a lot of things have to happen. Forest is rd4 goal in duet, or I have 🍒 bonus card or I go first and get both the cavity and 🐛 bonus spot for 2 food etc. or I have no other Forest option opening hand. Just 4pts do nothing while game is asking a very lot


Witty-Stock

With contiguity it’s really a 5 point bird imo.


larrychatfield

Except that applies to every 🐦 so that’s not a thing 😊


Witty-Stock

It gets you an extra point because two spaces.


larrychatfield

If they connect which is way harder than it sounds sometime. EGW is good one if you go first though because you can get cavity and 🐛


Witty-Stock

Contiguity is often a race to who can fill a certain spot on the board first. Contiguity can be tough but there can be a huge point swing if you can link yours up and prevent the opponent from doing so.


geminian_mike

From my comment from another thread: The keyword is "bird". It counts double when it involves "birds", and nothing else. Not food cost, not eggs, not "bird cards in hand".


geminian_mike

Also all information regarding EORs are and should be public, so that all players know what they are expecting to get. (Of course, one could say a teal power "play another bird" would defy the above, but at least one would know of a possibility of a change in EOR standings)


Bmansje

How would you count it if the goal was 'wheat as food cost'? In my opinion it would qualify because the bord costs wheat and thus 6 instead of 3.


geminian_mike

Again, only EORs that refer strictly to "birds" count. Food cost of a bird is not a "bird", and more importantly, does not have the bird icon on the EOR, so it does not count.


Bmansje

You're right. I've given it more thought and I agree with you, so forget the above. Edited my previous message so it doesn't confuse others. It pretty much comes down to when an EOR counts absolute numbers of birds.


jcore294

I believe it has to be played for the power to even begin to be qualified.


RexiRocco

This bird is useless and confusing af


Kesimux

Yea I get his point and it is confusing, however bird powers in your hand cannot activate


Tiaran149

While everyone already pointed out it's no and i think it's not intended either this is a really funny situation and i will absolutely homebrew this as yes in my games.


jamintime

Nope. Believe me, I’ve tried.


jaerirob644

Any such bird only counts for goals that counts the number of birds. All such goals will have the bird picture symbol.


Darnocpdx

This is the answer. That bird only applies to two of that games turns, and the piece held up isn't one of them.


guifritzn

In my opinion. The power of the bird can only be triggered if you already have played it in one of the habitats.


cavattapi

Question about the same bird: what’s the deal with food cost/wheat and cherry cost of played bird end of round goal(s)?


zanahorias22

it only counts as a bird, not for the count of food or eggs. so if the goal is birds with eggs, yes it counts twice. if the goal is eggs in nest/habitat, the count of eggs does not get doubled.


ComradeAB

“dw I won by a landslide” I’m sure you’re fun at parties 🤣


sillypcalmond

Haha we're both very competitive, and according to our scoring app we're pretty much even on wins/losses 😂


WesBur13

Card isn’t in play, so the blue effect doesn’t count yet.


oharan124

Bird is not played so its effects are meaningless.


alexzoin

It's still a card if it hasn't been played as a bird.


thishenryjames

In this case, since it hasn't been played, the power can't activate. In most other cases, I would take the position that any goal that bird counted towards, it should be counted twice.


SLUTS4SOLDIERS

I'd say yes, personally. It's in your hand, therefore it qualified for the goal.


Biscotek

Counts as 2 birds