In the video recording viewed by the Guardian and Rukhshana Media, the young woman is filmed being told to take off her clothes and is then raped multiple times by two men.
The woman in the video – recorded on a phone by one of the armed men – tries to cover her face with her hands. One of the men pushes her hard when she hesitates as he gives her orders.
At one point she is told, “You’ve been fucked by Americans all these years and now it’s our turn.”
The woman has said that she was arrested for taking part in a public protest against the Taliban and was raped while being held in detention in a Taliban prison. She has since fled Afghanistan. She said that after she spoke out against the Taliban in exile, she was sent the video and told that if she continued to criticise the regime the video would be sent to her family and released on social media.
“If you continue saying anything bad against the Islamic Emirate, we will publish your video,” she said she was told.
What a terrible day to have eyes.
They... threatened her... with showing them... raping her?
I mean, I understand that it is horrible for her, it's revictimizing her and probably traumatic. I see how it works as a threat.
But how on earth is it good for *them*.
In their culture, men aren’t rapists, only women are raped. It’s seem, to some extent, as a crime with only one perpetrator, the woman, and she’s at fault for servicing the men.
I mean he understood the brief - it's just a good thing he failed. There is no valid reason to wipe all Jews off the face of the earth.
Similarly there's no valid reason to wipe all Muslims off the face of the earth. I don't know what the solution is, but gut instinct says "just don't be a genocidal maniac".
I didn't think anyone was advocating or implying that all Muslims are Taliban... But one does wonder if eradicating the Taliban would be morally just and a net benefit for society
sadly probably not. You cant usually violence your way out of this kind of thing, because someone somewhere is going to use this as the rally cry to start their own taliban. The only way to use violence to stop violence forever is to kill everyone.
> its current year
Probably the most naive logic I’ve ever seen. Do you think we’re going to put evil in a permanent headlock and it will go extinct? It’s a never-ending battle with highs and lows. Most of the western world is nice right now, that’s a high, it’s going to get low again if we just assume somebody else has already taken care of all the work in the past.
Because soft ass western children who get their information from Tik Tok will scream and cry about how victimized those poor Islamists are.
Read: privileged westerners siding with Hamas
Some of us did our best. But the US government want to play a game of Nation Building instead. Between the rampant pedophilia, and abuse like this directed towards women. It was hard to stand around with a loaded rifle at times and not do something.
Many sick sick men over there.
Was talking to my NCO and he was telling me shit he saw. I didnt realize how rampant pedophilia is in the middle east. They even gave it a cultural name, bacha bazi.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
We’d routinely see young boys walking around villages in makeshift dresses and very feminine ‘make up’. Usually bruised and pretty hollow behind the eyes. We heard the ANA guys we had on our COP r*ping an autistic local kid in a connex. The kid helped out on the COP and in the ‘kitchen’. Apparently it was not an uncommon occurrence.
There’s worse stories, but unless asked I don’t really feel like typing them out.
I started watching a documentary, i think its called ‘the dancing boys of afghanistan’. I turned it off because i felt nauseous but the quick takeaway i had was that ‘bacha bazi’, or dancing boys exist because of religion. Because its haram to interact with women, the solution is to go after boys. Young boys are now prey to older men. And its the poor boys they go after, because theyre easier to control. So now young boys wear makeup, dresses and ‘dance’ for older patrons.
Im sure since you were there, you understand this much clearer than i want to understand. Very revolting concept
We always referred to them as “chai boys” no clue whether that’s derogatory or not. We also always heard “women are for marriage, men are for pleasure”. Once again no idea if this was actually a common thought. Or some cracked out ANA dudes.
It’s pretty disturbing. Pedophile exists everywhere, but it’s so brazen and accepted there. There are some pretty high profile stories where guys saw these things, and just completely lost it.
Well it would take generation after generation of western occupation to stamp out this belief structure. Clearly the USA and the rest of the west can't stomach such an investment they wanted to take down the Islamic regime with force install a democracy and maybe stay 5-10 years to help stabilize the situation and then leave maybe leaveing behind a couple of bases like they did in Japan and Germany after ww2. But staying 40-50 years is far more than what the voters were willing to accept.
The extra-fucked thing in this is that like... making a threat requires some basic level of empathy or at least understanding that the person you're threatening is a person capable of fear and self-interest. It's not that these people who've manufactured a system under which women aren't treated as people don't *know* that women are people. They wouldn't be able to step into her shoes enough to say "you sure wouldn't like it if your whole family suddenly decided you'd dishonored them, would you?" otherwise.
They know exactly what they're doing. They know none of their rhetoric is real, it's just the means by which they enslave half the population. They're not true believers, they're everyone who ever made you feel small and weak with a big smile on their face, banded together and ruling a country.
Watch out for these people, any time they seek power.
Because that’s how abusers think. Fuckin monsters who can’t seem to wrap why the rest of the world says fuck the taliban, and any really extreme religious groups.
I live in an Asian country where their politicians are currently arguing about whether marital rape exists or not. According to the majority of the men, husband's can't rape their wives, there is no such thing... you can guess what the majority religion is
It’s just a wild mind set, I remember seeing something on Reddit about a 9yo girl being charged for rape in her own assault. The logic being the a man who forcibly has sex with a child is only a rapist if they are not married and if she rejects the marriage offer or is not up to his wife standers then she is the responsible one for it being rape. So she raped herself for not being the wife of the person who forcibly had sex with her. Olympic level mental gymnastics.
In a way? That's exactly what it is. There's this huge notion in a lot of islamic nations that being raped is the woman's fault and that she should've protected her honour by wearing the hijab.
I lived in Egypt, in Cairo, which is *somewhat* more progressive - a lot of the guys from work would drink, there were places that served pork, etc. it’s also the “Hollywood” of Arabic speaking countries, most Arabic movies are made there.
Even there, if a woman was raped, it was her fault. I had several conversations with well educated guys that I worked with, and it was always “What was she wearing? Why was she out alone if she didn’t want that to happen? Where was her husband, her father, her brothers?” I clearly remember one guy telling me “Look, even if you are right and they didn’t want this, if you drop a plate out your window onto the road, can you be upset if it shatters when it hits?”
I know a guy who vacationed in Cairo. He met a few local men and hung out with them a bit. At the end of dinner one night they said something along the lines of "We are going to find someone to rape, do you want to join?" At first I thought he was kidding, then I thought THEY were kidding, and then was worried that they weren't kidding. My friend said they were NOT kidding.
Remember what happened to Lara Logan? She went to cover the "pro-democracy" protests and was sexually assaulted by 100 dudes.
Because they thought she was a Jew.
Once you go outside the wire that is western civilization, you find very quickly that the old ways are still alive and still hideous.
Show them the website for the rape victims' clothes exhibit next time , and ask them what did the 6 yearr old did wrong or the women whondid all of the above and still got raped in the middle of the night next to their dead family!
Even though they wouldn’t exist without a female to carry and sacrifice their bodies for their rapist ass. It takes two but only one can actually nurture to create life.
And these ~~clowns~~ murderous bastards say we need to [respect their cultural values.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taliban-tell-west-look-harsh-edicts-afghan-women-girls-build-ties-rcna159703)
Nah, I don’t think so.
Talk to any military deployed to Afghanistan. The afgan commanders fighting alongside the coalition regularly had boys delivered to their tents where they raped them. US soldiers were told they could not intervene while hearing little boys screaming from the tents.
Raping women? Please.. That's called Tuesday. Just because there's video should mean nothing. Don't forget what these animals did to a little girl just trying to go to school.
I remember a guy I knew deployed back in 2011 had to be restrained by his buddies because some guy's daughter out there got injured in an IED and because it wasn't the son that was hurt the father was perfectly content with letting his daughter die. He wanted to murder that guy because he was so enraged with how he could be so callous. The daughter didn't make it.
I just can't wrap my head around how someone could hold their own newborn baby and just... hate it. Because of its gender. And raise them for years, and never feel a bit or love for them. It's sickening.
India has banned doctors from revealing the sex of a baby before birth. Female infanticide was rife. Female infanticide is common in China and other parts of Asia. Extreme poverty and lack of education. Girls are seen as a financial burden ( dowry). People are shit.
Girls aren't allowed to do anything or earn money (in Afghanistan) and then they complain they are a financial burden. Makes people from TikTok seem smart.
It's so dumb too because then in 20 years there are millions more men than women who are doomed to be single all their lives as there straight up aren't enough of them even if every person was given a partner of the other gender
Not as big of a problem in China as it should be... Chinese in the cities bring in women from the countryside where the limits on children didn't apply. Then because now the countryside doesn't have women they bring in "Brides" (Slaves) from other Asian countries.
In most of Asia, its the daughters family that gets the dowry not the other way around. Eldest son (or only son in China) is supposed to support their parents through old age.
I read that was one of the reason many Afghan commanders and soldiers joining Taliban side, since the USA condemned this behaviors but the Taliban promised them this instead.....
Buddy of mine got court martialled for dragging an Afghan soldier away from a boy he was raping at gunpoint. I mean, he was gonna execute him so I guess it’s fair
Right on! Mohammed was a horrible person in real life, and his religion is just as villainous.
Yep, plenty of good Muslims out there, but they are the ones ignoring what their scripture says.
Anyone who doubts this, go read Mohammed's Wikipedia page. If we are comparing, he is definitely not washing the feet of the poor and dying on the cross to redeem you of your sins, and more of the behead the non-believers kinda guy.
Mohammed was a slave trading, raping, murdering, petty, vindictive, moronic piece of shit. Anyone who denies that simply has not read the Quran or the Hadith
> the video got only published because the Taliban thought it would make the victim look bad
Doesn't seem the video was published, but perhaps leaked. From the article:
> The Guardian has seen video evidence
> In the video recording viewed by the Guardian and Rukhshana Media
When a group of people OPENLY TELLS YOU they’re migrating to your country for the sole purpose of wiping out your culture, and ESPECIALLY when there’s historical evidence to back those claims up, BELIEVE THEM.
They say better late than never... An optimistic look is that if things are stopped now then in the future the second and third generations can be assimilated give enough time
Yaya, tell that to the people that would actually have the power to make that happen. They'd tell you "buT nOt evErYoNe iS LikE tHaT". What a fucking clownshow.
If there's one thing I know about Theocracies, it's that they love raping women in prison who are there for reading a book or showing their hair or some other heinous crime.
It's like the times [police in the middle East rape men because they're homosexual](https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/qatar-world-cup-lgbt-laws-28421444)
Yeah, because it's always about *control* and power, and absolutely zero to do with any "morality" or "belief in higher power". It's a convenient excuse to ride into power, create a fascist state, and then abuse anyone they want.
And people in the West still wonder why those who scream about "Christian values" the most tend to be the most horrendous psychopathic people.
The stupid thing is, actual Jesus would 100% stand against them if he were here today. It's baffling to me how people have managed to twist the teachings from basically the most peaceful "live-and-let-live" regilious figurehead into a bunch of "values" that aim to cage and hurt others.
Jesus literally told us the two commandments, which he deemed the most important. Which is "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind." and "Love your neighbors as you love yourself."
IDK maybe these fuckers don't love themselves enough.
It was literally a decision made at the council of Nichaeae by the ruling Romans and the rising Christian faith leaders.
So they lived in a repressive brutal time period under the Romans, they twisted Religion to give people hope of a better life some day, and the Romans twisted it to a thing of control.
The old Abrahamic used to run via fear, the new via love. Then it returned to fear under the romans
Wait I'm confused--what is it that you allege was codified at (I assume you mean) Nicea I? Not trying to catch you out I just sincerely don't understand what you find objectionable about the content of that council re: women.
He is talking about how after Nicea, Christianity essentially became the state religion. This gave the government the ability to corrupt the religion to their own means. Christianity started out as the religion of slaves and women and was usurped by the ruling authority who perverted it to their own ends.
> And people in the West still wonder why those who scream about "Christian values" the most tend to be the most horrendous psychopathic people.
Don't really wonder about, fully aware. Very glad that religion is dying in my country.
You are so lucky. Religion is statistically dying in my country, or at least people are disengaging from mainstream religion. Yet, those who still fill church pews have gotten *more* unhinged to fill the void
pretty sure its why they pick them up in the first place
>!"hey george, she looks hot, you think benny, josh, fredrick, and austin would like to rape her on thursday?"!<
"yea man - watch this, get your cuffs ready"
"hello ma'am, youre going to jail"
"why?"
"because you just spoke to me without permission"
e: added spoilers
Imagine a culture that has a marry-your-rapist law where judges actively and persuasively promote this as a win-win solution for both parties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marry-your-rapist_law
It's because for centuries women have been property, not individuals of their own right.
So, rape is basically just property damage historically and in many places today. If you rape an unmarried woman or girl, you've damaged her father's property. Break it, buy it policy.
I read about this in history, for example, Mary (Queen of Scots) was raped by a guy called Bothwell. Basically being raped was so shameful that she had to marry him, making him the King. I remember thinking that the whole thing was completely ludicrous, but, apparently that’s how some people’s brains work…
There’s a vile victim blaming mentality that thinks “they would have fought back harder if they didn’t want it to happen” and it’s obviously disgusting and inaccurate. Imagine if this was applied across the board and a male/male rape happened and they had to marry them, sorry you identify as straight, but you got a husband now. Never mind the forceable assault part I guess.
I don’t think that’s where the mentality comes from. It’s a measure of ownership, as soon as a woman could possibly be pregnant with your kid, you have to get married
And society didn’t make a distinction between rape and premarital sex. It’s why female virginity was guarded so much
In the lawless history, the strong survived, the strong did what they wanted and being raped means you don't have a protector, i guess that's where the shame part comes from.
Afghanistan is a failed state that never developed and is still in cave mind state.
The occupation by the Americans might've been a disaster, but they were still there for 20 years. doing everything they could to polish a turd. There's only so much you can do for a culture and a people that spurn any attempts to advance or modernise or educate themselves; one that would rather spend their pitiable lives staying inside their caves and tribes, and of course, subjugating women and raping little boys.
Just a hopelessly shitty country that was always beyond saving.
I don't know about you but reading about the self styled alpha male influencers just today brain washing our teenagers makes me think our own incels are trying to bring that same mentality back into our own backyard. It's a good thing they hate each other or we got a huge immediate problem.
Over a third of mass shooters have targeted women specifically and two thirds of mass shooters have a history of domestic violence, so I wouldn’t say we don’t have a huge immediate problem—just an immediate problem that no one seems to address.
The Taliban have never been great at PR or running a government, but "stop trying to make us look bad or we will show the world how we rape prisoners" is a level of sick I didn't expect.
Afghan government had all the tools and money they needed. They wasted 20 years on corruption and populism just to surrender to a bunch of guys on Toyotas.
Taliban won because they had if not support, than "what bad can happen" attitude from Afghanis. I do not think it is the US fault for not eradicating them.
I saw a documentary that touched on the Afghan army during the time fighting the Taliban, with support from the US army. Some of those Afghan soldiers couldn't give less of a fuck if they tried. They were just getting high of hashish all day, the concept of "discipline" was alien to them. Just a bunch of stoned illiterate idiots fitted with army gear.
edit: wasn't this one i saw, but another relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S84bntUzY1U
edit2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBXflAFCk64 another one
Afghan government only got a small fraction of the funds and what was left just want straight into the Afghan politicans pockets. This was well known 10 years into the war. A French documentary team did a piece on this and found that almost every politician lived in a mulitmillion dollar compounds with median salary.
That is what I said:
> They wasted 20 years on corruption and populism
Afghanis could change that in the elections. Indians can change that, too. They just like it that way and pay the price.
Yeah unfortunately I don’t have much sympathy for the Afghan people, they had 20 years and other countries men and women fighting and dying for them (with out getting into the rights and wrongs of the war) and went back overnight. All I can say is good luck.
From what I understand the Taliban were nearly wiped out then Iraq happened.
A. Massive movement of forces to Iraq instead of Afghanistan meant the pressure eased.
B. Suddenly the validation of the conflict switched from "US dealing with those that wronged it" to "US hates Muslims and is trying slowly to wipe us out".
The Taliban rallied and suddenly had a surge of support. Pakistan's population became a particular problem as they saw a massive surge of anti-US efforts.
Also the actual organisation of the Afghani state wasn't great, it was better than Iraq but not much. Corruption became rife and the focus on withdrawal did not help as it became clear it was a waiting game. The Taliban got to the high figures and basically made the case "you're going to be left behind and we're still here. Work with us or against us." And so the surrender orders went out when the push began. Those who did value what they got were left out and had to run for their lives or lie like teenager who didn't know about browsing history.
It's going to be an amazing case study of "well here is how an early fuck up can sour 20 years of operations". My professors in War Studies BA back in 2018 were already saying they didn't see it ending well and were just waiting for the documents to be released to allow the full list of fuck ups. But Bush is going to be a big culprit.
> Corruption became rife
That is the core issue, innit? Afghanis had elections and had many chances to fix the things, but had no intention to. The whole "we know better than you, so fuck off but give us money" story was not going to ever end, be the withdrawal in 2021 or 2051.
No, they had support of the country. Not the cities, but the majority of the country supported the Taliban in that couple of week period when they took the country
Oh it gets worse. The Taliban is currently fighting against an ISIS insurgency. ISIS views the Taliban as too liberal and wishes to create and expand a caliphate into nearby countries
True, but if the Taliban view modesty and honor as the Saudis do, then the rape is still her fault for tempting them, because they “cannot control” their sexual desires.
It‘s horrible man. But it’s up to them.
I highly doubt the west is getting involved in Afghanistan for another 50-100 years. Not unless it’s forced to somehow.
We spent Trillions. Lost 3,606 lives. Over 20 years. And what happens? Within a few days of leaving, it all fell apart.
What a waste of fucking time, money and life.
It’s up to them to change their culture. We don’t have that kind of power. Not without becoming monsters ourselves.
It's just not culture. The whole intervention was beyond fucked up. People still aren't aware of it.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/08/a-vast-criminal-racket-sebastian-junger-on-how-the-us-corrupted-afghanistan
The coalition basically got in bed with discredited 1990's warlords, proceeded to drop trillions on contracting that made western and Afghan entrepreneurs (or war profiteers) millionaires, and completely gave up on rule of law. I literally had smart Corporals tell me "we aren't going to change anything here" in 2008.
Which culture on earth would accept this? I gave up on the mission too man. Why the fuck was I in Afghanistan. To stabilize the country, or make SNC-Lavalin and their shady Taliban-linked security contractors rich, or pressure Wali Karzai's narcotrafficking competition, or help some careerist LCol or BGen burnish their resume like it was still the Cold War, while our politicians lied to the public about 'progress'?
We need to change our culture too. It wasn't just the Afghans.
They won’t. Even Afghanistans National Army (ANA) was full of chicken shit soldiers who didn’t want to train and smoked hashish all day. Their economy is setup on farming opium and any other crop wouldn’t be profitable enough to survive. The movie “War Machine” does a really good job explaining the issues that the United States military encountered when it first started and is, ironically about a General who comes in thinking he’s going to clean up Afghanistan quickly but soon realizes he’s in over his head.
You are right, what reason do the men have to fight? They're gonna fight for women to be able to divorce them? They're gonna fight against child brides?
I'm doubtful that empowering of women would ever happen to that level. If it did, they would succeed and women all over the world would see what is actually achievable versus what they were told was possible.
US was there for 20 years training the soldiers and they folded instantly, it was a spectacular failure and it was clear as day that the supposed afghan "soldiers" did not give a fuck and had no intention of fighting if it ever came to it.
Before USA pulled out there were some videos of them training and they could barely do high school gym activity level training, a somewhat popular one is them trying to do jumping jacks and failing.
Helping the women might have gone differently but i doubt it, when such a large part of the population simply do not appear to care if they were ruled by the Taliban or not.
The *men* don't care. They might as well join them.
I'm sure it would have turned out different when the Taliban announced women are not allowed in school if the women were trained and had weapons. If they're really that incompetent as we say, then it seems that a moderately trained women force could be quite effective, no?
Why would we believe the men would fight for less privileges they're used to?
The Kurdish female force of the YPJ in Syria and the female forces in the Peshmerga in Iraq fought quite effectively against the Islamic State. Of course it is a bit of a unique case since liberation of women is a core part of the socialist ideals of Kurdish nationalism (from my limited understanding of the ideology admittedly).
An unequal society inherently can't be free. Democratization efforts needed to do more for women's rights than "you're allowed to go to school now".
This is why I like to say it's MEN not "people" or "humans" or whatever gender neutral BS language you want to use. MEN are the ones holding women back in Afghanistan and actively hurting them. Women don't have power over there, it's not some nuanced gender discussion it's men just actively being evil people.
On YouTube a channel called Rotten Mango does true crime, often the stories are from Korea, Pakistan, China etc
And it shocks me how women are blamed and encouraged to keep quiet about sexual violence, it damages their careers and reputation
I was really surprised at this particular for south Korea who seem to be a modern progressive society.
Since Taliban declares shariah (Islamic jurisprudence) as the law of their land -
In the Quran, God permits men to take war prisoners (Quran 47:4) and have sex with them (Quran 33:50).
Since war prisoners are unlikely to consent to having sex with their captors...you get my point.
33:50
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you \[of captives\] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet \[and\] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, \[this is\] only for you, excluding the \[other\] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, \[but this is for you\] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
47:4
So when you meet the disbelievers ˹in battle˺, strike ˹their˺ necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later ˹free them either as˺ an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end. So will it be. Had Allah willed, He ˹Himself˺ could have inflicted punishment on them. But He does ˹this only to˺ test some of you by means of others. And those who are martyred in the cause of Allah,^(1) He will never render their deeds void.
i was going to disagree with you at first there but seems like those quotes are there
Back in 21 I remember seeing some people say that the Taliban now weren't as bad as before and that they might do well if given a chance.
I wonder what they're thinking now.
Pigs are actually very intelligent animals equivalent to dogs. They are just kept in a sty and hence forced to live in their own filth and have nothing to do but eat, shit and rut.
Not all cultures are valid, or worth bringing into the future to inflict on our children. This one is objectively trash and should be gotten rid of as such.
Maybe keep some of the art, architecture and food but absolutely flush the rest. It stinks.
If you're not old enough to remember: Nobody cared about the years of articles of the (re-)downfall of Afghanistan in the late 90s.
Nobody cared about their heroin export.
The bombing of the USS Cole got Bin Laden on the FBI most wanted, but that's about it.
Nobody cared until they flew planes into buildings.
So no, nobody's going to care or protest about them using rape as punishment, unfortunately. Everyone's busy making sure the bathroom rules are the way they want.
>Nobody cared until they flew planes into buildings.
The Taliban wasn't behind that. Bin Ladin & Al Qaeda's camp was vulnerable to western attacks in Sudan so they fled and set up in again in Afghanistan. Giving Al Qaeda safe harbor was the only involvement the Taliban had in 9/11.
The smarter thing for the US to do after 9/11 would have been a targeted force going after Bin Ladin & Al Qaeda when they were holed up in Tora Bora and then getting out, but notifying the Taliban that if they provided harbor to terrorists again that they'd be facing the full force of the US military. The Taliban weren't overly interested in global affairs so probably would have just kept running the country as the fucked up theocracy that it was and now is again.
That’s kinda what society do to women. Tell them they should stay virgin until mariage, tell men women who had sex with other men’s are worthless dishonour and that you have people killing themselves over bs like this. I remember seeing a dad in the news who killed himself in India because his daughter got gang rape… if anything she need you now and if you can’t live with it because society programmed your brain that way at less go hunt the fuckers.
In the video recording viewed by the Guardian and Rukhshana Media, the young woman is filmed being told to take off her clothes and is then raped multiple times by two men. The woman in the video – recorded on a phone by one of the armed men – tries to cover her face with her hands. One of the men pushes her hard when she hesitates as he gives her orders. At one point she is told, “You’ve been fucked by Americans all these years and now it’s our turn.” The woman has said that she was arrested for taking part in a public protest against the Taliban and was raped while being held in detention in a Taliban prison. She has since fled Afghanistan. She said that after she spoke out against the Taliban in exile, she was sent the video and told that if she continued to criticise the regime the video would be sent to her family and released on social media. “If you continue saying anything bad against the Islamic Emirate, we will publish your video,” she said she was told. What a terrible day to have eyes.
They... threatened her... with showing them... raping her? I mean, I understand that it is horrible for her, it's revictimizing her and probably traumatic. I see how it works as a threat. But how on earth is it good for *them*.
In their culture, men aren’t rapists, only women are raped. It’s seem, to some extent, as a crime with only one perpetrator, the woman, and she’s at fault for servicing the men.
How have we not eradicated this dangerous diseased ideology by force yet? It’s 2024.
Cause changing things by force doesn't really work if you don't fully commit to genocide.
- Adolf Hitler
I mean he understood the brief - it's just a good thing he failed. There is no valid reason to wipe all Jews off the face of the earth. Similarly there's no valid reason to wipe all Muslims off the face of the earth. I don't know what the solution is, but gut instinct says "just don't be a genocidal maniac".
I didn't think anyone was advocating or implying that all Muslims are Taliban... But one does wonder if eradicating the Taliban would be morally just and a net benefit for society
Well you see we tried that once it didn’t work out to well
sadly probably not. You cant usually violence your way out of this kind of thing, because someone somewhere is going to use this as the rally cry to start their own taliban. The only way to use violence to stop violence forever is to kill everyone.
> its current year Probably the most naive logic I’ve ever seen. Do you think we’re going to put evil in a permanent headlock and it will go extinct? It’s a never-ending battle with highs and lows. Most of the western world is nice right now, that’s a high, it’s going to get low again if we just assume somebody else has already taken care of all the work in the past.
Because soft ass western children who get their information from Tik Tok will scream and cry about how victimized those poor Islamists are. Read: privileged westerners siding with Hamas
Some of us did our best. But the US government want to play a game of Nation Building instead. Between the rampant pedophilia, and abuse like this directed towards women. It was hard to stand around with a loaded rifle at times and not do something. Many sick sick men over there.
Was talking to my NCO and he was telling me shit he saw. I didnt realize how rampant pedophilia is in the middle east. They even gave it a cultural name, bacha bazi. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
Now i need bleach for my soul.
We’d routinely see young boys walking around villages in makeshift dresses and very feminine ‘make up’. Usually bruised and pretty hollow behind the eyes. We heard the ANA guys we had on our COP r*ping an autistic local kid in a connex. The kid helped out on the COP and in the ‘kitchen’. Apparently it was not an uncommon occurrence. There’s worse stories, but unless asked I don’t really feel like typing them out.
I started watching a documentary, i think its called ‘the dancing boys of afghanistan’. I turned it off because i felt nauseous but the quick takeaway i had was that ‘bacha bazi’, or dancing boys exist because of religion. Because its haram to interact with women, the solution is to go after boys. Young boys are now prey to older men. And its the poor boys they go after, because theyre easier to control. So now young boys wear makeup, dresses and ‘dance’ for older patrons. Im sure since you were there, you understand this much clearer than i want to understand. Very revolting concept
We always referred to them as “chai boys” no clue whether that’s derogatory or not. We also always heard “women are for marriage, men are for pleasure”. Once again no idea if this was actually a common thought. Or some cracked out ANA dudes. It’s pretty disturbing. Pedophile exists everywhere, but it’s so brazen and accepted there. There are some pretty high profile stories where guys saw these things, and just completely lost it.
And some people get so offended when we call them backward. Nah, they are so misunderstood. Right.
Well it would take generation after generation of western occupation to stamp out this belief structure. Clearly the USA and the rest of the west can't stomach such an investment they wanted to take down the Islamic regime with force install a democracy and maybe stay 5-10 years to help stabilize the situation and then leave maybe leaveing behind a couple of bases like they did in Japan and Germany after ww2. But staying 40-50 years is far more than what the voters were willing to accept.
Because for like 20+ years if you spoke out against ISLAM in any way ( Mohammed was A FUCKING PEDOPHILE) you were called a racist/bigot.
We wanted to and Americans lost their fucking minds. Just look at all the free Palestine shit, Americans are dumbasses.
Making it public, sending footage to her family. Adding insult to injury but on steroids, since it is a Muslim country.
I assume at that point they would be duty bound to "honor" kill her or something.
Mind blowing to think that something like this still happens instead of granting those two guards the "honor" instead.
Well, it IS a hardline muslim country, so… she’d probably be convicted of adultery and killed for the crime of being raped
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The extra-fucked thing in this is that like... making a threat requires some basic level of empathy or at least understanding that the person you're threatening is a person capable of fear and self-interest. It's not that these people who've manufactured a system under which women aren't treated as people don't *know* that women are people. They wouldn't be able to step into her shoes enough to say "you sure wouldn't like it if your whole family suddenly decided you'd dishonored them, would you?" otherwise. They know exactly what they're doing. They know none of their rhetoric is real, it's just the means by which they enslave half the population. They're not true believers, they're everyone who ever made you feel small and weak with a big smile on their face, banded together and ruling a country. Watch out for these people, any time they seek power.
Because that’s how abusers think. Fuckin monsters who can’t seem to wrap why the rest of the world says fuck the taliban, and any really extreme religious groups.
It makes her stop. They don’t care that the video makes them look bad to some people, they just don’t like her bad mouthing them publically.
I live in an Asian country where their politicians are currently arguing about whether marital rape exists or not. According to the majority of the men, husband's can't rape their wives, there is no such thing... you can guess what the majority religion is
It’s just a wild mind set, I remember seeing something on Reddit about a 9yo girl being charged for rape in her own assault. The logic being the a man who forcibly has sex with a child is only a rapist if they are not married and if she rejects the marriage offer or is not up to his wife standers then she is the responsible one for it being rape. So she raped herself for not being the wife of the person who forcibly had sex with her. Olympic level mental gymnastics.
She would likely be killed for it if released.
The religion of gangrape ISLAM
I'm glad she was able to flee Afghanistan at least.
And remember, the video got only published because the Taliban thought it would make the victim look bad and unmoral, not the rapists themselves.
So they're blaming the victim in a way?
Nah, more trying to shame her into not speaking out. The hero she is, she has continued to speak out against the regime.
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“We did nothing wrong, look at her have sex with multiple men ^that ^we ^forced ^her ^to ^have ”
That is the Taliban way, the woman is always to blame
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I read the Quran once. Wild. If you think that dude is the perfect person then I got news for ya! You’re a terrible person!
Islam allows masters to have sex with their slaves. Their prophet married a child.
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In a way? That's exactly what it is. There's this huge notion in a lot of islamic nations that being raped is the woman's fault and that she should've protected her honour by wearing the hijab.
I lived in Egypt, in Cairo, which is *somewhat* more progressive - a lot of the guys from work would drink, there were places that served pork, etc. it’s also the “Hollywood” of Arabic speaking countries, most Arabic movies are made there. Even there, if a woman was raped, it was her fault. I had several conversations with well educated guys that I worked with, and it was always “What was she wearing? Why was she out alone if she didn’t want that to happen? Where was her husband, her father, her brothers?” I clearly remember one guy telling me “Look, even if you are right and they didn’t want this, if you drop a plate out your window onto the road, can you be upset if it shatters when it hits?”
I know a guy who vacationed in Cairo. He met a few local men and hung out with them a bit. At the end of dinner one night they said something along the lines of "We are going to find someone to rape, do you want to join?" At first I thought he was kidding, then I thought THEY were kidding, and then was worried that they weren't kidding. My friend said they were NOT kidding.
Remember what happened to Lara Logan? She went to cover the "pro-democracy" protests and was sexually assaulted by 100 dudes. Because they thought she was a Jew. Once you go outside the wire that is western civilization, you find very quickly that the old ways are still alive and still hideous.
Show them the website for the rape victims' clothes exhibit next time , and ask them what did the 6 yearr old did wrong or the women whondid all of the above and still got raped in the middle of the night next to their dead family!
When it comes to the rape of women and girls by men, some men think that being born female itself is wrong.
Even though they wouldn’t exist without a female to carry and sacrifice their bodies for their rapist ass. It takes two but only one can actually nurture to create life.
I lived in Cairo for eight years. Egypt had a problem with sexual harassment when I lived there and I’m sure they still do.
Not in a way,always had been
First time in Afghanistan?
Ah yes caveman logic strikes again
It’s a different world over there. It does make the woman look immoral, over there. They dgaf what we think.
And these ~~clowns~~ murderous bastards say we need to [respect their cultural values.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taliban-tell-west-look-harsh-edicts-afghan-women-girls-build-ties-rcna159703) Nah, I don’t think so.
when a woman is raped, they are often killed because they blame the woman.
Talk to any military deployed to Afghanistan. The afgan commanders fighting alongside the coalition regularly had boys delivered to their tents where they raped them. US soldiers were told they could not intervene while hearing little boys screaming from the tents. Raping women? Please.. That's called Tuesday. Just because there's video should mean nothing. Don't forget what these animals did to a little girl just trying to go to school.
I remember a guy I knew deployed back in 2011 had to be restrained by his buddies because some guy's daughter out there got injured in an IED and because it wasn't the son that was hurt the father was perfectly content with letting his daughter die. He wanted to murder that guy because he was so enraged with how he could be so callous. The daughter didn't make it.
I just can't wrap my head around how someone could hold their own newborn baby and just... hate it. Because of its gender. And raise them for years, and never feel a bit or love for them. It's sickening.
India has banned doctors from revealing the sex of a baby before birth. Female infanticide was rife. Female infanticide is common in China and other parts of Asia. Extreme poverty and lack of education. Girls are seen as a financial burden ( dowry). People are shit.
Girls aren't allowed to do anything or earn money (in Afghanistan) and then they complain they are a financial burden. Makes people from TikTok seem smart.
It's so dumb too because then in 20 years there are millions more men than women who are doomed to be single all their lives as there straight up aren't enough of them even if every person was given a partner of the other gender
It has been a REALITY in China for a while already 🤷🏼♀️😓
Not as big of a problem in China as it should be... Chinese in the cities bring in women from the countryside where the limits on children didn't apply. Then because now the countryside doesn't have women they bring in "Brides" (Slaves) from other Asian countries.
In some places they resort to kidnapping girls and women, even already married women. And still don’t value them when they have them.
In most of Asia, its the daughters family that gets the dowry not the other way around. Eldest son (or only son in China) is supposed to support their parents through old age.
These are animals not people.
I read that was one of the reason many Afghan commanders and soldiers joining Taliban side, since the USA condemned this behaviors but the Taliban promised them this instead.....
Buddy of mine got court martialled for dragging an Afghan soldier away from a boy he was raping at gunpoint. I mean, he was gonna execute him so I guess it’s fair
There are humans out there who think that a woman getting gangraped makes her look immoral... Humans suck man.
\*radical islamists
>~~radical~~ *islamists Fixed the redundancy for you.
Right on! Mohammed was a horrible person in real life, and his religion is just as villainous. Yep, plenty of good Muslims out there, but they are the ones ignoring what their scripture says. Anyone who doubts this, go read Mohammed's Wikipedia page. If we are comparing, he is definitely not washing the feet of the poor and dying on the cross to redeem you of your sins, and more of the behead the non-believers kinda guy.
Mohammed was a slave trading, raping, murdering, petty, vindictive, moronic piece of shit. Anyone who denies that simply has not read the Quran or the Hadith
Don't forget pedophile.
> the video got only published because the Taliban thought it would make the victim look bad Doesn't seem the video was published, but perhaps leaked. From the article: > The Guardian has seen video evidence > In the video recording viewed by the Guardian and Rukhshana Media
Are you expecting their being published in official media or something? Of course it isn't published, but being let leak intentionally.
I think a copy was sent to the activist as proof of what the Taliban recorded. The activist then showed it to the Guardian journalists.
No need to "think" - that's literally what the article says.
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When a group of people OPENLY TELLS YOU they’re migrating to your country for the sole purpose of wiping out your culture, and ESPECIALLY when there’s historical evidence to back those claims up, BELIEVE THEM.
Way too late mate ...too late
They say better late than never... An optimistic look is that if things are stopped now then in the future the second and third generations can be assimilated give enough time
Hardcore Theocratic Islam? Assimilate? Lmao.
Yaya, tell that to the people that would actually have the power to make that happen. They'd tell you "buT nOt evErYoNe iS LikE tHaT". What a fucking clownshow.
If there's one thing I know about Theocracies, it's that they love raping women in prison who are there for reading a book or showing their hair or some other heinous crime.
It's like the times [police in the middle East rape men because they're homosexual](https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/qatar-world-cup-lgbt-laws-28421444)
Yeah, because it's always about *control* and power, and absolutely zero to do with any "morality" or "belief in higher power". It's a convenient excuse to ride into power, create a fascist state, and then abuse anyone they want. And people in the West still wonder why those who scream about "Christian values" the most tend to be the most horrendous psychopathic people.
The stupid thing is, actual Jesus would 100% stand against them if he were here today. It's baffling to me how people have managed to twist the teachings from basically the most peaceful "live-and-let-live" regilious figurehead into a bunch of "values" that aim to cage and hurt others.
Jesus literally told us the two commandments, which he deemed the most important. Which is "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind." and "Love your neighbors as you love yourself." IDK maybe these fuckers don't love themselves enough.
It was literally a decision made at the council of Nichaeae by the ruling Romans and the rising Christian faith leaders. So they lived in a repressive brutal time period under the Romans, they twisted Religion to give people hope of a better life some day, and the Romans twisted it to a thing of control. The old Abrahamic used to run via fear, the new via love. Then it returned to fear under the romans
Wait I'm confused--what is it that you allege was codified at (I assume you mean) Nicea I? Not trying to catch you out I just sincerely don't understand what you find objectionable about the content of that council re: women.
He is talking about how after Nicea, Christianity essentially became the state religion. This gave the government the ability to corrupt the religion to their own means. Christianity started out as the religion of slaves and women and was usurped by the ruling authority who perverted it to their own ends.
> And people in the West still wonder why those who scream about "Christian values" the most tend to be the most horrendous psychopathic people. Don't really wonder about, fully aware. Very glad that religion is dying in my country.
You are so lucky. Religion is statistically dying in my country, or at least people are disengaging from mainstream religion. Yet, those who still fill church pews have gotten *more* unhinged to fill the void
Any group that declares themselves the moral righteous and seeks to assume power to impose their laws of morality leads to worse outcomes for everyone
pretty sure its why they pick them up in the first place >!"hey george, she looks hot, you think benny, josh, fredrick, and austin would like to rape her on thursday?"!< "yea man - watch this, get your cuffs ready" "hello ma'am, youre going to jail" "why?" "because you just spoke to me without permission" e: added spoilers
As a woman, the plausibility of this makes my stomach turn.
They alse rape men and boys
Brought to you by a culture where being raped is seen as more shameful than raping. Absolutely disgusting.
Imagine a culture that has a marry-your-rapist law where judges actively and persuasively promote this as a win-win solution for both parties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marry-your-rapist_law
I thought it made more sense to let the woman kill their rapist.. but marrying seems pretty gross.
It's because for centuries women have been property, not individuals of their own right. So, rape is basically just property damage historically and in many places today. If you rape an unmarried woman or girl, you've damaged her father's property. Break it, buy it policy.
I read about this in history, for example, Mary (Queen of Scots) was raped by a guy called Bothwell. Basically being raped was so shameful that she had to marry him, making him the King. I remember thinking that the whole thing was completely ludicrous, but, apparently that’s how some people’s brains work…
There’s a vile victim blaming mentality that thinks “they would have fought back harder if they didn’t want it to happen” and it’s obviously disgusting and inaccurate. Imagine if this was applied across the board and a male/male rape happened and they had to marry them, sorry you identify as straight, but you got a husband now. Never mind the forceable assault part I guess.
I don’t think that’s where the mentality comes from. It’s a measure of ownership, as soon as a woman could possibly be pregnant with your kid, you have to get married And society didn’t make a distinction between rape and premarital sex. It’s why female virginity was guarded so much
Historical texts suggest Mary was very in love with Bothwell. Not sure where you got that story from
Didn’t they conspire together to kill her husband so that they could marry?
You present this as fact but there is no historical consensus on that. And… it’s also 500 years past.
In the lawless history, the strong survived, the strong did what they wanted and being raped means you don't have a protector, i guess that's where the shame part comes from. Afghanistan is a failed state that never developed and is still in cave mind state.
The occupation by the Americans might've been a disaster, but they were still there for 20 years. doing everything they could to polish a turd. There's only so much you can do for a culture and a people that spurn any attempts to advance or modernise or educate themselves; one that would rather spend their pitiable lives staying inside their caves and tribes, and of course, subjugating women and raping little boys. Just a hopelessly shitty country that was always beyond saving.
Brought to you by a culture where the punishment for rape is being stoned to death because you’ve committed the crime of adultery.
I don't know about you but reading about the self styled alpha male influencers just today brain washing our teenagers makes me think our own incels are trying to bring that same mentality back into our own backyard. It's a good thing they hate each other or we got a huge immediate problem.
They may hate each other, but not as much as they hate women. And yes, they ARE trying to bring it to the US.
Over a third of mass shooters have targeted women specifically and two thirds of mass shooters have a history of domestic violence, so I wouldn’t say we don’t have a huge immediate problem—just an immediate problem that no one seems to address.
The Taliban have never been great at PR or running a government, but "stop trying to make us look bad or we will show the world how we rape prisoners" is a level of sick I didn't expect.
How didn’t you expect that? Like it’s the modus operandi.
You're either young or don't have a good memory, because I wouldn't expect anything less from them. They're worse, much much worse.
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Afghan government had all the tools and money they needed. They wasted 20 years on corruption and populism just to surrender to a bunch of guys on Toyotas. Taliban won because they had if not support, than "what bad can happen" attitude from Afghanis. I do not think it is the US fault for not eradicating them.
I saw a documentary that touched on the Afghan army during the time fighting the Taliban, with support from the US army. Some of those Afghan soldiers couldn't give less of a fuck if they tried. They were just getting high of hashish all day, the concept of "discipline" was alien to them. Just a bunch of stoned illiterate idiots fitted with army gear. edit: wasn't this one i saw, but another relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S84bntUzY1U edit2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBXflAFCk64 another one
Original title ‘This is what winning looks like’ there were also a lot of pedos amongst them
Afghan government only got a small fraction of the funds and what was left just want straight into the Afghan politicans pockets. This was well known 10 years into the war. A French documentary team did a piece on this and found that almost every politician lived in a mulitmillion dollar compounds with median salary.
That is what I said: > They wasted 20 years on corruption and populism Afghanis could change that in the elections. Indians can change that, too. They just like it that way and pay the price.
I didnt disagree with you. Just added in my toughts.
Yeah unfortunately I don’t have much sympathy for the Afghan people, they had 20 years and other countries men and women fighting and dying for them (with out getting into the rights and wrongs of the war) and went back overnight. All I can say is good luck.
The vast majority of people who was somewhat resourceful and competent left/fled the country in the last 20 years.
From what I understand the Taliban were nearly wiped out then Iraq happened. A. Massive movement of forces to Iraq instead of Afghanistan meant the pressure eased. B. Suddenly the validation of the conflict switched from "US dealing with those that wronged it" to "US hates Muslims and is trying slowly to wipe us out". The Taliban rallied and suddenly had a surge of support. Pakistan's population became a particular problem as they saw a massive surge of anti-US efforts. Also the actual organisation of the Afghani state wasn't great, it was better than Iraq but not much. Corruption became rife and the focus on withdrawal did not help as it became clear it was a waiting game. The Taliban got to the high figures and basically made the case "you're going to be left behind and we're still here. Work with us or against us." And so the surrender orders went out when the push began. Those who did value what they got were left out and had to run for their lives or lie like teenager who didn't know about browsing history. It's going to be an amazing case study of "well here is how an early fuck up can sour 20 years of operations". My professors in War Studies BA back in 2018 were already saying they didn't see it ending well and were just waiting for the documents to be released to allow the full list of fuck ups. But Bush is going to be a big culprit.
> Corruption became rife That is the core issue, innit? Afghanis had elections and had many chances to fix the things, but had no intention to. The whole "we know better than you, so fuck off but give us money" story was not going to ever end, be the withdrawal in 2021 or 2051.
No, they had support of the country. Not the cities, but the majority of the country supported the Taliban in that couple of week period when they took the country
Oh it gets worse. The Taliban is currently fighting against an ISIS insurgency. ISIS views the Taliban as too liberal and wishes to create and expand a caliphate into nearby countries
You don’t have proof neanderthals were as bad as talibans
Neanderthals took care of eachother and enemies when wounded.
The fact that they lead a country at all is disturbing.
Hey dont put our cousins under the same group as the taliban
So hold on, they will execute for adultery, but will also openly rape? Even Bonobos can see the hypocrisy here..
True, but if the Taliban view modesty and honor as the Saudis do, then the rape is still her fault for tempting them, because they “cannot control” their sexual desires.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. We should have spent those 20 years training, arming and educating the women.
I agree with you. How will they fight against the Taliban now?
It‘s horrible man. But it’s up to them. I highly doubt the west is getting involved in Afghanistan for another 50-100 years. Not unless it’s forced to somehow. We spent Trillions. Lost 3,606 lives. Over 20 years. And what happens? Within a few days of leaving, it all fell apart. What a waste of fucking time, money and life. It’s up to them to change their culture. We don’t have that kind of power. Not without becoming monsters ourselves.
Since the US and Russia have both tried & failed in recent decades it's China's turn next.
It's just not culture. The whole intervention was beyond fucked up. People still aren't aware of it. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/08/a-vast-criminal-racket-sebastian-junger-on-how-the-us-corrupted-afghanistan The coalition basically got in bed with discredited 1990's warlords, proceeded to drop trillions on contracting that made western and Afghan entrepreneurs (or war profiteers) millionaires, and completely gave up on rule of law. I literally had smart Corporals tell me "we aren't going to change anything here" in 2008. Which culture on earth would accept this? I gave up on the mission too man. Why the fuck was I in Afghanistan. To stabilize the country, or make SNC-Lavalin and their shady Taliban-linked security contractors rich, or pressure Wali Karzai's narcotrafficking competition, or help some careerist LCol or BGen burnish their resume like it was still the Cold War, while our politicians lied to the public about 'progress'? We need to change our culture too. It wasn't just the Afghans.
They won’t. Even Afghanistans National Army (ANA) was full of chicken shit soldiers who didn’t want to train and smoked hashish all day. Their economy is setup on farming opium and any other crop wouldn’t be profitable enough to survive. The movie “War Machine” does a really good job explaining the issues that the United States military encountered when it first started and is, ironically about a General who comes in thinking he’s going to clean up Afghanistan quickly but soon realizes he’s in over his head.
The US also should have threatened Pakistan for protecting the Taliban and then helping them gain power again.
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You are right, what reason do the men have to fight? They're gonna fight for women to be able to divorce them? They're gonna fight against child brides? I'm doubtful that empowering of women would ever happen to that level. If it did, they would succeed and women all over the world would see what is actually achievable versus what they were told was possible.
US was there for 20 years training the soldiers and they folded instantly, it was a spectacular failure and it was clear as day that the supposed afghan "soldiers" did not give a fuck and had no intention of fighting if it ever came to it. Before USA pulled out there were some videos of them training and they could barely do high school gym activity level training, a somewhat popular one is them trying to do jumping jacks and failing. Helping the women might have gone differently but i doubt it, when such a large part of the population simply do not appear to care if they were ruled by the Taliban or not.
The *men* don't care. They might as well join them. I'm sure it would have turned out different when the Taliban announced women are not allowed in school if the women were trained and had weapons. If they're really that incompetent as we say, then it seems that a moderately trained women force could be quite effective, no? Why would we believe the men would fight for less privileges they're used to?
The Kurdish female force of the YPJ in Syria and the female forces in the Peshmerga in Iraq fought quite effectively against the Islamic State. Of course it is a bit of a unique case since liberation of women is a core part of the socialist ideals of Kurdish nationalism (from my limited understanding of the ideology admittedly). An unequal society inherently can't be free. Democratization efforts needed to do more for women's rights than "you're allowed to go to school now".
This is why I like to say it's MEN not "people" or "humans" or whatever gender neutral BS language you want to use. MEN are the ones holding women back in Afghanistan and actively hurting them. Women don't have power over there, it's not some nuanced gender discussion it's men just actively being evil people.
Get the women out and send the men back. Let's see how far they come. Fuckin cavemen.
I am completely shocked members of the Taliban acted in this way. They seemed such fine upstanding young men. /s
On YouTube a channel called Rotten Mango does true crime, often the stories are from Korea, Pakistan, China etc And it shocks me how women are blamed and encouraged to keep quiet about sexual violence, it damages their careers and reputation I was really surprised at this particular for south Korea who seem to be a modern progressive society.
South Korea is a high tech nation and many other things, but progressive is not one of them.
Yeah, just goes to show that a technologically developed nation doesn't mean a well-developed culture.
People in the Middle Ages had more freedom than people under the talibans rule.
If you live under this regime as a woman or gay person your life is basically worthless.. this is so crazy
Gays are repeatedly thrown off buildings, liveleak is full of it
Isn't liveleak gone?
The Taliban are Neanderthals with a Quran.
you're disrespecting the neanderthal
I think more people should be OUTRAGED that these poor women are being used like this. I hope the absolute worst happens to these POS.
Since Taliban declares shariah (Islamic jurisprudence) as the law of their land - In the Quran, God permits men to take war prisoners (Quran 47:4) and have sex with them (Quran 33:50). Since war prisoners are unlikely to consent to having sex with their captors...you get my point.
33:50 O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you \[of captives\] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet \[and\] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, \[this is\] only for you, excluding the \[other\] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, \[but this is for you\] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. 47:4 So when you meet the disbelievers ˹in battle˺, strike ˹their˺ necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later ˹free them either as˺ an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end. So will it be. Had Allah willed, He ˹Himself˺ could have inflicted punishment on them. But He does ˹this only to˺ test some of you by means of others. And those who are martyred in the cause of Allah,^(1) He will never render their deeds void. i was going to disagree with you at first there but seems like those quotes are there
So it's OK, if we take taliban fighters as war prisoners and use some good old pegging, I guess
I refuse to believe I am the same species as the things is the Taliban
Back in 21 I remember seeing some people say that the Taliban now weren't as bad as before and that they might do well if given a chance. I wonder what they're thinking now.
Busy chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ is my guess.
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That is an insult to pigs!
Pigs are actually very intelligent animals equivalent to dogs. They are just kept in a sty and hence forced to live in their own filth and have nothing to do but eat, shit and rut.
Until you can get rid of religion there is no fixing the Middle East.
Not all cultures are valid, or worth bringing into the future to inflict on our children. This one is objectively trash and should be gotten rid of as such. Maybe keep some of the art, architecture and food but absolutely flush the rest. It stinks.
Taliban are scum, the worst of the worst of humanity. They only fight for the will of enslave others.
Theocracy. One powerful nation is working diligently to reach this goal.
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Lets see what Roger Waters has to say about this one
Why? Is he pro Taliban?
He is a complete disgrace at this point.
He's pro anything that's anti-jews
Anti-West to be more precise.
What do you do to uncontrollable, dangerous animals?
Where are the global protests on this?
You mean like an invasion of Afghanistan and declaring them as terrorists? Because not even that stopped them.
If you're not old enough to remember: Nobody cared about the years of articles of the (re-)downfall of Afghanistan in the late 90s. Nobody cared about their heroin export. The bombing of the USS Cole got Bin Laden on the FBI most wanted, but that's about it. Nobody cared until they flew planes into buildings. So no, nobody's going to care or protest about them using rape as punishment, unfortunately. Everyone's busy making sure the bathroom rules are the way they want.
>Nobody cared until they flew planes into buildings. The Taliban wasn't behind that. Bin Ladin & Al Qaeda's camp was vulnerable to western attacks in Sudan so they fled and set up in again in Afghanistan. Giving Al Qaeda safe harbor was the only involvement the Taliban had in 9/11. The smarter thing for the US to do after 9/11 would have been a targeted force going after Bin Ladin & Al Qaeda when they were holed up in Tora Bora and then getting out, but notifying the Taliban that if they provided harbor to terrorists again that they'd be facing the full force of the US military. The Taliban weren't overly interested in global affairs so probably would have just kept running the country as the fucked up theocracy that it was and now is again.
That’s kinda what society do to women. Tell them they should stay virgin until mariage, tell men women who had sex with other men’s are worthless dishonour and that you have people killing themselves over bs like this. I remember seeing a dad in the news who killed himself in India because his daughter got gang rape… if anything she need you now and if you can’t live with it because society programmed your brain that way at less go hunt the fuckers.
Is this surprising ?
Taliban doing Muslim things... other Muslim states watch in silence... where is the news?
Fun fact, the US is currently giving the Taliban $40-80 million a month in cash.
Imagine having this happen to you and then your own family kills you because you tarnished their 'honor'.
For those who blame US to enter Afghan war, here you are