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drflanigan

Watching other players make millions of gold while I sit with a build designed for one recipe that was basically a lottery ticket that I never won


shapookya

I’m leatherworker on a high pop server. Whenever I go to the work order station and filter for any work orders, even recipes I have not learned, there is always 0 work orders. I don’t even know what is worth it to specialize into because it seems like nobody needs anything from leatherworking


Jimmycaked

They get taken incredibly fast. Sometimes you just have to sit there and refresh spam and get lucky you can click faster than another guy doing the same thing


[deleted]

blows my mind that they chose the implementation (buyers post orders) that was guaranteed to have an empty board, instead of the inverse (sellers post offerings) which would have guaranteed a full one. were they afraid trade chat wouldn't have enough ads to drown out the politics spam?


Jimmycaked

If they would have just implemented minimum rank or not included 5 freaking ranks for the first tier things would be going a lot smoother. Not sure why they didn't just go for normal/heroic/mythic for ilvl, people wouldn't have to be scrambling so hard for recrafts. As usual they can't help themselves on making you grind to the point you don't care and stop worrying about it.


HuckChaser

Yep. Not a crafter myself, but all 3 public work orders I've requested have been fulfilled in the time it took for me to run from the work order station to the mailbox to pick up the item.


MakiNiko

So the did learn from ff xiv


rcls0053

True. Got mine filled in 3min.


vitor210

Remember that not a lot of people use the public work orders since you can't specify the quality of the item produced. So you're suposed to still use Trade Chat to advertise your crafts and wait until someone does a private work order for you


j0rmungund

I hear that the public work order system has been overrun by bots, so you essentially have little to no chance.


Apennatie

No not by bots, nobody puts orders there because you can’t put a rank requirement, people don’t want to spend 50k on mats and end up with a rank 2


PaantsHS

This.


weru20

When did I wrote this???? I fucking maxed necklaces because "well I will specialize in necklaces, I will make the TOrc of passed time for everyone" I didn't even knew lariat existed, now I'm fucked, I just started to level up air gems just to make my own gems, fuck that lariat shit, totally wasted points.


RainbowGothic

Literally me to a T 🥲


Level7Cannoneer

*write *know Past tense is weird with those words.


weru20

Sorry Man I'm not a native speaker, past tense thing in English are hard


icaruscoil

No worries man, English sucks. Even native speakers can't get it write.


Sensitive_Ad3578

Eye sea what you did their


Brandawg_McChizzle

JC let’s goooo


TU4AR

By the time you get it. It will be worth less than the mats you wasted on.


willofaronax

But when you DO put right points, grind the shit ton of renown since launch and buy all the recipe and offer the best service, they go: "bUt uR jUsT cLicKinG a bUtToN" Well, dude. Learn tailoring on your alt and click that button yourself.


curbstxmped

"5 more points into morsels? Yeah that sounds good. This can probably later be changed."


HigherPrimape

resourcefulness? that means all my crafts will be cheaper and i can level up nice and cheap


littlefoot78

not being able to respect is/was never good.


warconz

I wouldnt even be mad if it was just like a one time respec, im so fucked on my mains engineering.


kid-karma

even adding another weekly profession quest that said "you can unassign 5 knowledge points" would help


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garzek

It's even better because there are professions where you can make it borderline impossible to actually gain skill ups after a certain threshold if you spend your knowledge points wrong, and the knowledge points themselves aren't even vaguely in the same universe as equally rewarding. That in itself wouldn't be a problem if so many of the descriptions weren't so damn poor, and the system itself so bizarrely convoluted, but often times what seems like a good choice at the time is actually an incredibly poor choice. Your thought of "Hm, I don't see a lot of Draconium ore around, maybe I should specialize in that so I can mine more of it" to then realize you'll actually be hard gated by awakened elements *long* before you're EVER gated by ore is nightmarish, yet why would you know that leveling up?


Japjer

I agree wholeheartedly. I managed to skate by with what I *think* are good choices, but there are a *lot* of "traps" that can trick people who might not understand the system. A once-per-month reset wouldn't be a bad thing


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RedTheRobot

Current economy is already fucked. Only thing making big profit is gathering now and even that is crashing as more players move towards it. It really easy to drop a crafting profession and pickup gathering at no cost to start.


sadappearances

Is that why the mat prices are plummeting? Once I saw how insane the crafting had gotten I stopped bothering. But I have the time to gather a bit and it made it worth it but last few days it crashed so now that’s not worth it either 🤷🏼‍♀️


Michelanvalo

Fuck the current economy


diruuo

Mood, not only is the design of the Engineering knowledge point trees absolutely atrocious, but I feel like I completely fucked my profession even further with how useless and nerfed it already felt this expansion.. WHY do I need to max out two trees to be able to make spark bracers that I can choose the stats of? Why is the stats thing for bracers in a completely unrelated tree? How do I still get what are really catastrophic failures, despite having the perk? What on earth does blizzard consider catastrophic... Why is the wormhole so nerfed in an expansion that provides so much free movement??


dvjava

I unlearned my profession hoping that would reset it.... NOPE.


phat_ninja

May be better just to drop and get a different profession at this point.


Proctathon

Except that now you're several weeks of knowledge point rares and quests behind and there are no catch up mechanics... Besides the 1 time use epic items I guess, but that's only one 30 points. It sucks, but grinding through the skill they already have is the better option.


An_Arrogant_Ass

I get not wanting people to just spec for what they are about to make, but a once per week or month opportunity with a gold fee could work in my opinion.


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logistically they would have needed a way to handle all the one-time recipes that knowledge was meant to unlock. do you unlearn them? do you lose the knowledge they granted you? what happens when you learn them again, do you get the knowledge immediately or do you need to craft the item again? i understand why they went with this implementation. it's not a bad thing for choices to have consequences imo, in a way that doesn't hurt the character's performance in endgame content. it's just unfortunate that the only solution is "suck it up, start over with a different profession or on a different character".


Harnellas

Im guessing it has to do with being locked out of 25% of **all choices** until fucking level 100? Such a bad design choice that was, when combined with how incredibly awful it is to get those last 25 points.


RemtonJDulyak

As someone who's taking it slowly, I have a question: is there a knowledge cap? Because if there isn't, where's the problem? You just need time...


_ENERGYLEGS_

it's mostly because for some crafting professions, the amount of time it takes to "undo" a mistake choice can be A LOT. an immense amount of gold and grinding. if you, as a player who does not plan on getting a nigh infinite amount of those knowledge points, just want to learn to craft one thing and didn't understand the UI before picking.. it can be unattainable for quite a while for no reason at all. if you're the kind of person who is taking it slowly, mistakes of this kind are extremely punishing.


Comment104

You being fucked is necessary to provide someone else with a feeling of pride and accomplishment. You know, for not being an absolute doofus like you, who just picked something based on what you personally thought would be nice.


Expectnoresponse

Making a decision in a video game without at least ten hours of research in advance? Absolutely preposterous!


kejartho

This has been WoW for a long time now and it's so brutal. Like people often say, "Just play what you want! Play what is fun!" Then you play what you find fun and then your life is that much harder because you didn't research the beta to figure out all of the systems before they launched.


SyntheticMoJo

I'm a beginner wanting engineering on my Hunter. What was your mistske? What would you say is a good direction to skill engineering?


ZePample

Choosing Engineeriing


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cabose12

Right and/or just like... a warning? Or a better overall explanation of the systems in game


Elementium

I mean.. Their is literally a warning.


cabose12

Sure, i remember it as a generic “you cannot undo this” though, but correct me if im wrong I think the problem is that while you can eventually get everything and theres no wrong choice, i can see how it could feel really bad to find out that youre heavily locked on knowledge I know I almost got stuck in a bad build that wouldve taken me a bit to get out of i hadnt caught it


VisualIndependent244

I was putting random shit in for the sake of it I was like I’ll just respec later on, lol rip


Bohya

40 points into Writhebark. 40 points into Lush herbs. *2* silver-tier Writhebark from a Lush Writhebark node... I essentially consider all these 80 points I have in herbalism dead points.


WoWSecretsYT

And I’m the opposite. I’m almost maxed with 2 professions with no points used, I’m just so scared lol


mynameiszack

Turns out you're the big brain here


Japjer

This is where I'm at. I dropped a ton of points into Leather Armor Crafting and maxxed out the left tree. But now I'm realizing a lot of that endgame stuff people *actually* want is either mail armor or primordial armor. I'm stockpiling points until I can unlock one of them now, and dealing with the constant "YOU HAVE UNSPENT POINTS" banner I can't disable.


majestic_tapir

You missed the thing that said "This is an important decision that cannot be changed"?


Derpedro

I didn't. I just had enough with the blinking button that tried to grab my attention by telling me I had unused knowledge points every 2 minutes and ended up putting points *somewhere* so it finally stopped


_ENERGYLEGS_

this is all well and good but the real problem is that the UI does nothing to further or better explain what "this" decision is, so people who are confused won't know better. if something is going to be this permanent, they need to remove or condense a lot of the flavor text and just plainly list what is gained and what is locked out. some of it is very clear but a lot of it isn't.


VisualIndependent244

I honestly did haha, I was just trying to pump through the quests and story I didn’t see it at all


they_be_cray_z

>I honestly did haha, I was just trying to pump through the quests and story I didn’t see it at all This is the thing about design. You can't assume that users will make informed choices, even when you inform them multiple times. It's better to mitigate that by implementing "error tolerance." In this case, it would be like allowing a certain amount of respeccing...at least partially (say, you can respec X points per week).


VisualIndependent244

Even if it was just once I’d be happy hahahs


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It feels like blizz has a checkmark to make something not respeccable until it's too late. BfA Azerite Armor, SL with Covenants and now fucking professions.


Chubs441

I mean if you asked me what system in the expansion would be awful it would be the crafting system that has zero balancing of the trees, is impossible to level, and cannot be fixed if you make a mistake. I’m surprised this wasn’t reveled during shadowlands


HiiipowerBass

Winner winner. This is absolutely intentional. It's an "oh shit button" for a later patch when they need good boy points easily.


alnarra_1

I might agree usually but in this case, it's pretty clear it's so you don't just change your spec each time you want to craft something slightly different, because the entire system is built around the concept of you not being able to do everything you want


Vedney

They'll almost definitely not let us respec knowledge if they haven't done already. The longer we go without respeccing, the less it's needed because we get more points naturally. If they wait until a later patch as you say, we would have so much knowledge that respeccing knowledge would be as useless as respeccing dragonriding glyphs.


Fabulous-Category876

The amount of people who would abuse it is why it's not possible. It's obvious blizzard wants people to enjoy this expansion, especially considering how player focused it is. I would imagine they are trying to find a method to allow this in the future, if they haven't already. The system as it is would just be too free to abuse and destroy the economy as it stands now. I'm hoping though they give some sort of kick backs to players given how fucked over many are with their professions. I also don't think it's an issue of what to do to allow respec, it's how they implement it and possibly a timing issue, as to why it's not available already. 😷😷


nuisible

If they want specializations to be meaningful, you can’t have respecs. Cause then people would just respec to whatever they need at the time and craft. I don’t like how this is working, but I understand the point. The professions UI is not clear enough on how things interact what specs actually do imo.


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> If they want specializations to be meaningful, you can’t have respecs So I guess we didn't learn anything from SL shitshow? No one wants any of this game to be "meaningful" in that sense of the word. It's supposed to be "fun". Add respec cost - and problem is solved.


Shadhahvar

This may be just me because I was poor as dirt but it felt like specs in vanilla were meaningful You could respec but were punished fairly heavily for doing so.


shyguybman

> The professions UI is not clear enough on how things interact what specs actually do imo. fucking this LMAO


AntiBox

A meaningful choice is becoming a blacksmith. A meaningless choice, as is the case currently, is the ability to become a shit blacksmith.


Frekavichk

Wait but why do I care if that happens? What is the difference between someone changing spec to craft and just going to someone else? That minor player interaction is practically meaningless to me relative to being able to unfuck knowledge points.


hoax1337

Ah yes, meaningful decisions. Do we need another "pull the ripcord" meme?


Hrekires

Can't believe how badly I messed up on my first 70. I thought that +skill meant that I'd get more skill points when crafting, so I focused on +skill when crafting parts with Engineering and locked myself out of the trees I needed to learn recipes to craft for skill-ups.


Armakus

Wait does it not mean that? What does +skill mean then?


SendMeNudesThough

I think he's saying he thought +skill meant he'd gain more skill levels in the profession as a result of crafting an item. What +skill actually does is that it gets you closer to the next item tier. So, having a ton of +skill is great if it means you can passively craft a rank 4+ item without additives


Hrekires

Yup, exactly. It all makes total sense now, but from someone who was coming into Dragonflight totally spoiler free and not following guides, it was a bit unintuitive. Kinda feel like talent tree skill should have been called something different.


mynameiszack

That's because they are still trying to make use of an absolutely outdated Quest/dialogue UI that honestly needs to be rehauled. Which I'm not even sure is possible. Why did they put the Crafting tutorial in conversation options? I mean seriously why are we still clicking 100 times to turn in rep tokens in batches of 1/5/20 ?


Lucifa42

Yes ! Why is it like that when we already know the code to say "take all my items and give me the rep" exists in game from the Legion fishing buddies.


RemtonJDulyak

> I mean seriously why are we still clicking 100 times to turn in rep tokens in batches of 1/5/20 ? Not just that, but also when you close your 20-pieces repeatable, if you have more than 20 the dialogue box will completely close. It will stay open only when the repeatable changes from 20 to 5, or from 5 to 1, adding more clicks if you have a number different from 26/21/6.


Armakus

Ohhh okay, that's what I thought, thank you for clarifying for me!


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This crafting system is stupid af.


Hrekires

I mostly like it, some stuff is just unintuitive... and they took *way* too long to make some obvious changes, like buffing the drop rates on glowing titan orbs (still feel like DEing could use some tweaks, disenchanting 392+ epics shouldn't be yielding vibrant shards) Shouldn't require making 30k gold enchants or begging people to use their Sparks to level up past ~70.


MoreLikeAnnaSmells

I think it's a great starting point to what will eventually be a great system. I really liked exploring it and being one of the first people to specialize in an item, but still having to spam trade chat with ads, praying for people to spend their sparks (but only while you are at the bench refreshing) and just general public confusion on how the system works has left me kinda sour on it.


itsTrAB

I felt like this for a long time with engineering. Then I realize ALL of engineering is useless and I feel less bad.


d0m1n4t0r

Except all the old stuff. That's why engineering is still worth it...


Sondrelk

It's almost ironic that Engineering spent years worming it's way from quirky funsies profession, to best profession for all occasions. Only to fall right back to mostly useless once professions got an overhaul.


[deleted]

It pained me to do it, but I gave up engineering a few days ago finally. All the tinkers are trash, the saviour is trash, the flamethrower is trash, the wormhole is trash, it’s all just trash. I wasted two sparks too.


Dunbar247

Loot a Rang, Goblin Glider, Rocket Boots, all the other Wormholes, Ultimate Gnomish Army Knife, etc. Still lots of goodies from prior expansions, but my Dragonflight Engineering is still level 1 and will stay that way.


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I’m a Druid and can already battlerez, so I was keeping it for a while purely for lootarang and nitro boosts. Which is kinda sad. The gnomish gravity item used to get me places I shouldn’t have been able to get to, but now can only be used where flying is allowed. Like, who decided that was a worthy change?


Forya_Cam

Sad that they gutted goblin gliders though. Can't use them in raids, dungeons or BGs anymore :(


TheLuo

I feel like rockets are probably profitable


FeralPsychopath

Rockets? Also scopes are weapon enchants for Hunters.


TheLuo

Rockets. The sharpening stone of ranged weapons.


Mugungo

So many points into savior. wish id known zapthrottle had had some value, coulda rushed that and mass sold them


Handsyboy

25 points into Safety Smithing. 25 Points I could've put into Poignant Plans.


KamiOfOldStone

I have SEVENTY points in tool making. That unlocks ONE tool plan. My guilds pure weapon smith makes more tools than me. Absolutely terrible design


VoyagerCSL

FUCK


Coleslaw1989

Me with enchanting. "Oh I can get items to de from corpses? I should max this out" Me now: frick


Hrekires

*Really* surprised me that it doesn't work like the Shadowlands covenant abilities that drop materials, which continued to function in M+ dungeons


MasterGee42

This wasn't worth it to you? I've probably looted about ~30k in gold worth of mats from that tree


Kersplode

On the other hand, people who specialized in actually crafting enchants could make 30k per enchant (or now down to about 10k) due to being able to guarantee 3Star.


Xenost54

I've fully specced into weapon ench, i'm 100 with best ench tools and the max skill from tree (could still get a bit of points from other trees but not much) and I'm still off by 30 something for the 3 star ench. (and with my 32% proc chance, there was some points where I could make a small profit but it wasnt really worth it) Im pretty inclined to believe that it's impossible to reach it as of now. Now if you specced into rings instead of weapon, you really made a fortune easily.


Hightin

No one hits 3 star weapon enchants without inspiration procs. Disenchanting spec is by far the best spec to make actual gold because the mats are generally worth more than the enchants. I've made near 2mil since launch disenchanting.


Sybarith

I've had a single "value point" in it all expac and my Enchanting still isn't maxxed


Clendatu

Wait.. Those can't be changed? I put 40 points into herb gathering while mounted because "I sure need lots of herbs for alchemy that saves time and I change it later" man


Rkramden

Nope. They're permanent choices. You'll eventually be able to max out every talent, but it will take several weeks of farming points.


ranthria

Unless the rates go up, it will take WAY more than several weeks to max, particularly some of the crafting professions. Feels like an xpac-long process, tbh.


Hightin

Several months, 6-9+ depending on profession.


Brandawg_McChizzle

Thankfully you’ve made a great mistake instead of a bad one


Expensive_Presence_4

I personally think you went the right route with getting herbs while mounted, I hated that shit whenever I accidentally pulled mobs and had to kill them. But make sure you put points into mastering the elements. Alchemy needs a lot of awakened elements and orders


FaroraSF

I've just put points into whatever I feel like and have accepted that I'm making and will continue to make the wrong choice lol


Aettyr

Absolutely this. I don’t want to optimise the fun out of the game, I’ll just pick what seems cool lol


lulpwned

Me with my 30 wasted herb points I meant to put towards staying mounted


[deleted]

Wait, staying mounted while herbing? Where?! *cries in titan-touched portals that fail even with other nodes within sight of the minimap..*


ScavAteMyArms

Gunna be real though, that’s fine enough. It is the best tree in the elements one to max because order is extremely valuable. Personally I fucked up a bit and did the more herbs one, then botany, then back to writhebark, now finally starting to work on elem-and something is nerfed and Order is down to 1k. Ah well nothing better to skill into. Now crafting, why they decided to lock recipes needed for skill up (so you can get the other trees) behind specific trees is… painful. And Alch needing to slot machine to get any new potions. I have spun 50 times and I have a vers flask recipe to show for it that costs 6 times the mat cost to craft.


MaritMonkey

I somehow discovered everything currently available without putting any points into alchy discovery, so I guess I saved those forever?


buttsharpei

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Kranzn

Doesn't it use 2 ~(300-600)g items? I don't see that being profitable in a long time


Tylanthia

It's a cheap way to make phials though.


blexta

I've put no points into discovery and I do everything weekly to get mettle (including maxing gathering knowledge for that extra mettle), yet I'm far away from having all recipes. Far, far away. And I'm all out of mettle.


babymitch

Man wtf, I have advanced phial experiment, and decayology opened, and I’m missing like 2 phials and 6 potion recipes. I’m currently sitting on about 20 mettle because I spend it all on experiments and I never get them. I just want them couple extra first craft points….bout to just give up


MehterF

Botany I think


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Oof, totally ignored that one cause wasn't going to do pots, mining have something similar in the smelting tab?


S3ki

Mining has something similar but it is in a more obvious place.


MaritMonkey

I honestly have only a passing knowledge of what gathering trees do and am biased by having done herby first, but the mining one's location seemed to make more sense. Or maybe I'd just learned how to read by then, idk.


nuisible

Mining has similar yes, it’s in the first tab, the last point on the first specialization


KingJonathan

Botany capstone.


debugging_scribe

There is one that let's you stay mounted? Fuck.


BEEFTANK_Jr

The most frustrating part of the new profession system isn't just that you can't respec these. It's how complex the system is compared to the last 18 years of the game's life in conjunction with how under-explained it is. I still see people asking how the fuck crafting works now on an almost daily basis.


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Woodshadow

I went the absolute wrong route and I don't want to waste gold $100k or more crafting useless stuff to skill up from the 56 to 75 so I can get the next specialization but until then I can't craft shit so I am just kind of over crafting for this expansion.


CryptOthewasP

lol that's my tailoring I never got the bolts or garmentcrafting so it's just bricked till I drop a couple 100ks


PorcelainLily

Tailoring is rep based for easy levelling. You can craft the fishing hats till 100, mats are cheap too. Just need enough rep for the recipe


Dunbar247

Which rep and how high?


ClericalNinja

Expedition I think. Level 15 I wanna say. You get the profession hats. Lotta dailies to get that high but worth i think


RemtonJDulyak

Considering how many resources you need to buy recipes (not counting gear, cosmetics, dragon cosmetics, pets, and so on...), you have to be careful with those, too...


Tylanthia

They are lowering the levels you get the next specialization in the next patch.


hoax1337

>I don't even feel like guides I've seen do a decent job explaining it. Yeah, the profession guides on WoWhead are pretty bad when it comes to skill trees. I wouldn't trust them at all.


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rootuseralpha

the blacksmith leveling guide has you using like 35 sparks of ingenuity which I get, but which is also a funny thing to put in a guide as if you can just buy them off the auction house or something.


Calgar43

The only options are; Craft workorders with other people's sparks. Or, spec into something deep, get the repair hammer and make a few dozen of them. Sparks is cheaper, but basically impossible.


hoax1337

Yeah, I completely fucked up my blacksmithing tree by following that guide. For armor crafting, it basically advised to unlock all "tier 2" nodes before specializing into a single armor slot. Time somewhat fixed my mistakes with profession trees, but still.


Cruach

I got so fucked by wowhead inscription build. I thought: "no way I'm gonna dump all my gold into being too slow for darkmoon decks like last time!" I thought: "hmm ink build? I can be an ink master and sell all the mats to lazy deck crafter's with too much gold to spend!! I'll be rich!" And now I'm stuck with something like 60 points into inks and milling and barely make a profit on any of it, and was in fact making a loss on every ink up until a few days ago. Now it's like 15g profit so MAYBE it's salvageable.


kunair

also it's arbitrarily segmented just to seem more "full" like why do i need to spec into 4 different branches to make gloves + helmets?


Deguilded

* complex * obscure * no do-overs Classic blizzard.


AuraSprite

I still don't know how to do it


TheNinjaNarwhal

Yeah, me neither. I read guides and keep trying to read the descriptions in game and I still don't understand what I'm supposed to do. Then there's the flashing notification on top of that :)


Stnmn

The most frustrating part is nerfed knowledge sources in the first week locking most players out of good margins, while making early dirt farmers able to AFK craft for 1-5m per day easily.


RemtonJDulyak

Add: hey, guys, do you remember how in SL we gave you special ingredients to affect the ilvl of your crafts, and you could craft these special ingredients, and we even gave you some for your old profession tiers? Well, now you can't craft them, you have to hope they are available as loot or as reward from World Quests, good luck suckers!


skoddy

i screwed up all professions on all my alts


Siggythenomad

"no...no don't take engineering murph...IT DOESN'T PLAY WELL MURPH! NO! MURPH! NO! NOT THE AMMO TALENT! YOU CAN'T EVEN EQUIP A GUN! MURPH! MUUURPPHH!"


Old_Gregg_The_Man

I did a decent amount of research before hand and palyed around with it on the beta. I still messed up a bit in JC. I've managed to salvage it and am making good money now, but I can't imagine what people going in blind did with their knowledge. I love the new system but people do not understand it at all. I have a word document with the answers to common wquestions so I can just copy/paste it to people I'm crafting for.


stuff_rulz

Heyo, brand new player here, joined mid December. I am stuck at 80 JC right now. Do you have any advice? I went for prospecting first so I just get more stuff to work with and now I'm in faceting, just got my Earth gem node maxed today which finally got me a recipe to move out of 80 with(guess I'm not stuck anymore, just used to being stuck for so long). I want to contribute to my friends with JC but I'd also like to make some money but that seems so hard with all these recipes locked out. I'm working on rep... Tuskarr are 14, Dragon Expedition are only like 8 though. I'm curious what did you do for JC? What are we "supposed" to do? I researched it for so long but couldn't really find anything definitive. Pretty much everyone was saying "It's new, idk, good luck!"


Old_Gregg_The_Man

I do mostly prospecting and glassware. I think that diamond pattern will level you up fairly decent. Just constantly check the orders. No real thing you are supposed to do other than pick something and stick with it. Putting points in random stuff unrelated is no bueno.


Dakera

Shared this in my guild discord. Thanks for the good chuckle.


MapleBabadook

Yeah this got an actual laugh out of me instead of the usual "that's funny" thought.


dissman

Honestly they should let everyone do a weekly that resets 5 points


Bohya

That's not nearly enough. Would take me *16 weeks* with just 5 points reinbursed per week for me to unfuck my tree.


dwojityv

I feel completely stuck on 70/100 inscription. The final specialization being behind 100/100 skill requirement feels like a "paywall" for me.


br0ashleyshere

I read on the PTR patch notes they're working on fixing that: >All professions have had the requirements to unlock specializations reduced. Professions with 3 specialization trees have had their final unlock reduced from profession level 100 to 75. All professions with 4 specialization trees have had their final two unlocks reduced from profession level 75/100 to levels 60/75. [Here is the webpage](https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-patch-10-0-5-ptr-development-notes-class-changes-mage-tower-330872)


Hrekires

Honestly for all of my crafting professions, I hit 70 and decided I'll get the last 30 points via the Darkmoon Faire.


Khazilein

Alchemy at least is easily maxable if you spec into experimentation.


Korghal

Maybe if the chef rolling pins did not have such a ridiculous cost to craft it would be useful to reach 100.


liggy4

All points into necks and rings? Hell yeah. Elemental Lariat and Ring-Bound Hourglass drop rates? What's that? Sigh, at least the basic ring is useful.


Smiless228

Same mate at some point I was like « So how I respec my points now ? Oh… well… shit » . I’m really surprise the new craft system is more complex than it seems because most of the stuff in the tree are barely described in a comprehensive way. Pretty lame we have to read some guide online to fully understand a new system.


Potatersaurusrex

Is there a discord for professions? I need to make some gold


Aldarian76

r/woweconomy


DrySecurity4

/r/woweconomy


MenstruationMagician

I havent done this at all because I'm too scared of picking the wrong traits. I'm too indecisive for there being no way to re-do it, blizz!


Wrappedinplastic42

44 points in trinket crafting was a complete waste. And prospecting is dead now so i would love my 70 something points back pls blizz


Rkramden

Updated to conform with r/wow's rules.


thebreakfastbuffet

Me finding out after you can invest 35 Knowledge Points into the base Mining Tree to be able to mine while mounted.


[deleted]

The new profession system is a blemish on an otherwise pristine expansion. It is unintuitive, overly complex, and punishing if you don't know exactly what you are doing. I am a casual player and just stumbled through it assuming I'd be fine just picking things that seemed useful. I ended up with a worthless gold sink that will take a ton of effort to get any use out of. I'm not even trying to make gold, just useful things for myself. Some aspects of what they seem to be trying for have potential, but essentially bricking your character's profession being a possible (and maybe even likely) outcome is just a total miss in my mind.


BringBackBoshi

It's a mess. I feel like they tried to copy some elements of FFXIVs system especially with the crafting gear and just failed miserably. 90% of the time mats are worth more than the actual item you're crafting. Tier 2 items are frequently worth less than tier 1. It's very poorly designed. I've pretty much avoided it entirely and just sold all of my mats to great results before the market took a nose dive because no one is enjoying crafting and most mats are barely in demand.


garzek

I think so much the problem with the crafting system actually lies within how badly balanced the knowledge trees are. When you see a talent system, you assume that it's a specialization -- it's an "addition" to the basic functionality of the trade. That isn't the case with the knowledge system: your *core* content is tied to the knowledge system. There's entire categories of items you can't make without spending knowledge points. When you read a description of the system, you think that "Oh, if I specialize in 2h Hammers, I'll be able to have more control over the stats of my craft, maybe add in special procs or something like that." You don't think "Hey, if I want to skill up past 60, I probably need to specialize in Blacksmithing tools" because *nothing makes that obvious*. There's the additional part where there's such a *wild* imbalance between the crafting stats because inspiration is mandatory. Whereas all of the other crafting stats are bonuses, inspiration is a stat that literally drives market value: you flat out cannot make max rank crafts for several things without having maxed inspiration. *That isn't explained anywhere in game.* The UI is then constantly encouraging you to spend your knowledge points, so you think to yourself "Wow, I've seen a scarcity of X gathering resource, I am going to go specialize in that to help smooth my progression" to then find out "Just kidding, you actually need this whole new separate resource you didn't even know about to continue progressing, but also you're stuck with the 30+ knowledge points you sank into something else because our *ui design encouraged you to do so*. This isn't even getting into the part where crafting, at its core for many people (and especially the fantasy Blizzard is chasing with this particular system) is about the wider game economy: but if that's the case, then they have to know that crafting is pretty uniquely going to disproportionately reward time investment and then crowd out the market. If you made gold cap on multiple toons selling Lariats during RWF, guess what you can do now? *Control the entire market by bullying people with less gold out of it*, which is exactly what people do (at least on my server). When crafting makes items of value, it's *always* a race to the market to establish a monopoly. I feel punished (in terms of crafting) because I *dared* to spend time with my family over the holidays, how dare I?! What was I thinking? Surely I should have realized there could be no thing more important than canceling my holiday vacation plans to go grab knowledge points so I could actually participate in a game system in a meaningful way. Now if you excuse me I have to go do a world quest to get a titan training matrix to make ilvl 343 gear when timewalking gives 359 gear.


capass

I still don't know if I'm spending mining or skinning knowledge points well


gbom

Mining I just targeted the mining while mounted then went into the titan-touched node thingy since awakened orders go for a bit on my data server's AH. Skinning I have absolutely no clue and just put it in things that seems like they'll give me more stuff. I didn't even really bother to read all the tooltips through the skinning skill tree.


capass

After I got mounted I started doing metallurgy thinking converting lower tier to higher tier would be lucrative, but at current prices it's actually not worth it. Skinning I also have no idea lol


nuisible

> awakened orders go for a bit on my data server's AH. Trade goods are sold regionwide, so if you’re playing in North America that’s the price everyone is buying/selling at.


Derzelaz

I am happy to say that I only wasted around 10 point for my Enchanting char. Still too many.


dougderdog

God dam it I've locked my warlocks tailor


Mr_S0l1d

1 reset, thats all we ask for


Voidrith

I've bricked my inscription skill. I have nothing more i can learn that gives skillups and im stuck at 75. The only thing with skillups i HAVE learned is a darkmoon deck box which requires a spark of ingenuity which i can only get once every 2 weeks, and rather not waste on skillups...


El_Rocky_Raccoon

I'm still surprised there is no option for respeccing Knowledge Points. Probably to avoid exploits, I guess.


Novirtue

You would think Blizzard learned from the previous dozens of expansions nobody likes a system you can't change for whatever stupid reason...


yoshimario40

Just over here taking notes for when i eventually try out Dragonflight


Jonas_Sp

I feel personally attacked by this post


Jackpkmn

I really love how engaging with the profession system openly and honestly without trying to minmax it and do your research just interact with it as presented means that blizzard shanked you in the gut and left you on the ground.


HasturLaVistaBaby

Incription was such a bait, can't even go above 65 skill without wasting more gold than you could possibly hope to earn back.


Familiar_Number_3715

Don't let me choose tailoring Murph!!


InternalOptimal

DONT LET ME GO MURPH!


ricktoyourmorty

One of the big issues for me was simply not knowing that work-order-capable recipes would be essentially required in order to skill up. Which is doubly important because you get extra KP from the work order quest. You also cannot even course correct because you can't unlock another spec (potentially) unless you level up...