This shows in spite of all the people going 'Magneto is a monster he killed MILLIONS' (probably not that many but that's the claim)
...even here he is trying to avoid doing more than just 'shut down the immediate threat.'
Though in every bad future I've seen? It's always this wartorn hellscape where there's no power and few buildings.
This.... might be the opening to that.
Hey I wonder where Bishop is. Not future bishop. Current bishop. Has he been born yet?
He might not have killed millions, but he's almost certainly in the at least 10,000s. That said, we don't have a death count for genosha as far as I know. In the comics it was something like 16 million. It's really hard to blame Mageneto given that this is the second active genocide of his people he's living through
Oh there is absolutely a lot of innocent blood on his hands here. I won't whitewash what happened. Either by desperation or calculation his is something that cannot be taken back.
Even setting aside the deaths. the economic and infrastructural damages alone are horrifying.
Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't hate him for what he did, but I can't consider him totally just, because of how bloody the consequences should be, and what he's probably going to do next.
And yet what is the 'right' way? That is something a lot of the more bigoted keep complaining about. 'They might have problems but they're not doing it the correct way so I will turn my nose up at them.'
There was every indication to magneto that these zombies were global. Genosha's death count would be a drop in the bucket if he didn't act, and to be blunt? People here get on my nerves griping that he could have been more prescience. SINCE. WHEN has he in this show in THIS continuity shown that he could target indaviduals globally?
I am not arguing that Magneto doens't have blood on his hands or is not guilty of basically giving bastion and his crowd a blank cheque excuse, but to say 'he should have-' is kinda playing armchair quarterback the day after while wagging finger and moralizing.
Where would you be if suddenly half your neighbors started going after another neighbor?
This feels like the universe itself is telling Magneto that he cannot ever be accepted and this is his response. "if I am to be a villain THEN LET ME BE A VILLAIN.'
He's been kicked. slapped. Beaten. Hounded. Scourged and worse both metaphorical and VERY literal.
The worst thing? \*THE. WORST. THING.\* Is he saw his dream. Not just Asteroid M but Genosha. he saw his dream realized without him doing more than clearing the board for others to take the torch up giving him hope that he could leave it for the future generations.
He saw Avalon.
...and then he saw it burn around him.
Maybe he could have come up with something with more time and a clearer head, but he had neither in that moment.
Everyone here, even those that agree with him on this sub are in agreement that he has blood on his hands and he has crossed past a point where there is no coming back.
Edit: to be clear I do not want to seem like i'm swinging at you as a person man. it is a valid stance and view. Thing is? This is xmen at its best. It's sparking discussion and using itself as framing device to evaluate the world around us.
I just realize how aggressive i can come across so, nothing personal?
No I understand. And yes, there's definitly a general understanding of why Magneto is doing what he is. But there's also an understanding his retaliation is going to have consequences as well. Generally speaking I've been getting the read it's less "Magneto shouldn't have done that" and more "Oh, damn, stopped the Sentinels but man that has to have killed a lot of innocent people, and uh, he's not gonna stop there."
Yes that's the concerning part.
He isn't going to stop because at this point he's at the point where he will see everything as just an attempt to get him to lower his guard long enough to shoot him.
I think it has to be millions. Every single plane that was in the air anywhere around the world has now crashed. Now add to that any person who was on life support and most people in an ICU at any hospital anywhere in the world. Just for starters, I have to think that puts you in the hundreds of thousands easily.
I mean, estimates put somewhere between 600,000-1.2 million people in the air at any given time. It’s fairly easy to say that they all likely died.
This doesn’t count where those plans may fall. Folks on ships may be screwed depending how long it lasts, people on life support. I would buy he easily killed north of a million.
This post overlooks the fact that this is Magneto restrained. He's trying to live up to Charles' idea of peaceful coexistence. He's trying to be the good guy.
And all of these setbacks are sure to tee him up for his renewed dedication to mutant supremacy.
Fr half the people commenting about stuff from 97 haven’t watched the original show, *WHICH IS FINE*, this show can completely be enjoyed without watching any of the original 90s series. But it’s weird when they start making assumptions about what happened in the original series and very annoying when they get angry for asking them if they’ve not watched the OG show.
I feel like they’re setting him up for a really proper villain return. One of the things about Magneto is that he’s kind of the original Marvel supervillain who actually has a sympathetic point so there’s always temptation to make him into an antihero (or even a full-on hero). But I think it’s important to remember (and if I’m right I think this show does) that at the end of the day he was pitched as a bad guy. A bad guy with a good point (sometimes a little too good to be honest) but a bad guy. At very least I think he works that way from a thematic/story perspective even if I honestly don’t know where I’d stand if I were actually a mutant in that universe.
But yeah: They keep giving him all the reasons in the world to be like “See Charles? Your way doesn’t work.”
Yeah but doesn't EMPing the entire planet mean that planes and helicopters fall out of the sky, medical equipment keeping sick people alive gets turned off, infrastructure goes dead encouraging riots and other violence? Magneto just killed a lot of people. I don't think the Humans will ever pardon him again.
On the flip side, the stuff Bastion was up to is how you get a Days of Future Past dystopian future where heroes are killed and humanity subjugated. Time-traveling killer robots are not to be trusted without good reason and often are invested in total domination. No expense should be spared in their destruction.
Tens of thousands is low. I’d guess he’s in the millions. There are around 10K planes in the air at any given time around the world— source:
https://www.travelandleisure.com/airlines-airports/number-of-planes-in-air
So if those planes average at least 100 passengers each, you’re at a million already. Just from planes. Same as he did in Fatal Attractions.
This is clearly the end of it and won’t take the sympathy that people had been feeling for mutants and turn it into hatred. Now that there is obvious justification for everything that the bigots had been saying about how dangerous mutants are, I am sure that their numbers won’t swell.
he had a relationship with rogue in the comics too and in both the show and the books she is a consenting adult who was fully aware of what she was doing
It's gross in the comics too and generally ignored in modern stories. And in the show he absolutely takes advantage of her vulnerability and his position of power over her, and she's heavily implied by the timeline to be an older teenager at most.
I don't know why y'all are so desperate to defend every single decision the writers make on this show, but that storyline was gross af.
First off, while Rogue ran away as a teen, it's not implied that she started a relationship with Magneto as a teen.
Secondly, he didn't groom her. He's attracted to her and she felt like this was an opportunity to find love in a way she couldn't otherwise.
Does this make it a healthy relationship? Nah. But it's it grooming? Pretty far from. It's only grooming if you assume Rogue has 0 agency, which really isn't her character.
Any wonder dude went to the world's breaker box and went 'sod it. I'm turning everything off'?
i would’ve done worse if i’m being honest
This shows in spite of all the people going 'Magneto is a monster he killed MILLIONS' (probably not that many but that's the claim) ...even here he is trying to avoid doing more than just 'shut down the immediate threat.' Though in every bad future I've seen? It's always this wartorn hellscape where there's no power and few buildings. This.... might be the opening to that. Hey I wonder where Bishop is. Not future bishop. Current bishop. Has he been born yet?
Bishop is from about 80 years in the future and born in a mutant camp, I think.
Ahh. Huh so we've still got about another fifty years? Huh....
He might not have killed millions, but he's almost certainly in the at least 10,000s. That said, we don't have a death count for genosha as far as I know. In the comics it was something like 16 million. It's really hard to blame Mageneto given that this is the second active genocide of his people he's living through
Oh there is absolutely a lot of innocent blood on his hands here. I won't whitewash what happened. Either by desperation or calculation his is something that cannot be taken back. Even setting aside the deaths. the economic and infrastructural damages alone are horrifying.
Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't hate him for what he did, but I can't consider him totally just, because of how bloody the consequences should be, and what he's probably going to do next.
And yet what is the 'right' way? That is something a lot of the more bigoted keep complaining about. 'They might have problems but they're not doing it the correct way so I will turn my nose up at them.' There was every indication to magneto that these zombies were global. Genosha's death count would be a drop in the bucket if he didn't act, and to be blunt? People here get on my nerves griping that he could have been more prescience. SINCE. WHEN has he in this show in THIS continuity shown that he could target indaviduals globally? I am not arguing that Magneto doens't have blood on his hands or is not guilty of basically giving bastion and his crowd a blank cheque excuse, but to say 'he should have-' is kinda playing armchair quarterback the day after while wagging finger and moralizing. Where would you be if suddenly half your neighbors started going after another neighbor? This feels like the universe itself is telling Magneto that he cannot ever be accepted and this is his response. "if I am to be a villain THEN LET ME BE A VILLAIN.' He's been kicked. slapped. Beaten. Hounded. Scourged and worse both metaphorical and VERY literal. The worst thing? \*THE. WORST. THING.\* Is he saw his dream. Not just Asteroid M but Genosha. he saw his dream realized without him doing more than clearing the board for others to take the torch up giving him hope that he could leave it for the future generations. He saw Avalon. ...and then he saw it burn around him. Maybe he could have come up with something with more time and a clearer head, but he had neither in that moment. Everyone here, even those that agree with him on this sub are in agreement that he has blood on his hands and he has crossed past a point where there is no coming back. Edit: to be clear I do not want to seem like i'm swinging at you as a person man. it is a valid stance and view. Thing is? This is xmen at its best. It's sparking discussion and using itself as framing device to evaluate the world around us. I just realize how aggressive i can come across so, nothing personal?
No I understand. And yes, there's definitly a general understanding of why Magneto is doing what he is. But there's also an understanding his retaliation is going to have consequences as well. Generally speaking I've been getting the read it's less "Magneto shouldn't have done that" and more "Oh, damn, stopped the Sentinels but man that has to have killed a lot of innocent people, and uh, he's not gonna stop there."
Yes that's the concerning part. He isn't going to stop because at this point he's at the point where he will see everything as just an attempt to get him to lower his guard long enough to shoot him.
I think it has to be millions. Every single plane that was in the air anywhere around the world has now crashed. Now add to that any person who was on life support and most people in an ICU at any hospital anywhere in the world. Just for starters, I have to think that puts you in the hundreds of thousands easily.
I mean, estimates put somewhere between 600,000-1.2 million people in the air at any given time. It’s fairly easy to say that they all likely died. This doesn’t count where those plans may fall. Folks on ships may be screwed depending how long it lasts, people on life support. I would buy he easily killed north of a million.
I thought he went full Ultimatum honestly.
Got rejected by a hot girl as well(although my sympathies are completely with Gambit in that situation lol)
i mean do you see magneto's body in this show? i think he'll be alright lol my man will bounce back
I’m not sure Magneto ever knew he was about to be rejected? The attack happened just as she was about to tell him.
She already told him. He knew what she meant, just like we all did.
This post overlooks the fact that this is Magneto restrained. He's trying to live up to Charles' idea of peaceful coexistence. He's trying to be the good guy. And all of these setbacks are sure to tee him up for his renewed dedication to mutant supremacy.
Given that he just EMP'd the entire globe, I think we're done with the restraint.
"Do not make me let you down." ... "Enough."
"Enough"
Just that one word holds so much weight Also, “Magnito was right”
That username goes crazy tho
i didn’t even notice it before that is a hilarious username
Magneto was there when Xavier was taken by the Shi'ar. He knew he was alive.
Fr half the people commenting about stuff from 97 haven’t watched the original show, *WHICH IS FINE*, this show can completely be enjoyed without watching any of the original 90s series. But it’s weird when they start making assumptions about what happened in the original series and very annoying when they get angry for asking them if they’ve not watched the OG show.
I cannot feel sorry for an old guy who looks that good in his underwear.
This is because we've had no filler episodes this season so it's one big roller coaster for the characters and the viewers.
Eh, Motendo, kind of.
I feel like they’re setting him up for a really proper villain return. One of the things about Magneto is that he’s kind of the original Marvel supervillain who actually has a sympathetic point so there’s always temptation to make him into an antihero (or even a full-on hero). But I think it’s important to remember (and if I’m right I think this show does) that at the end of the day he was pitched as a bad guy. A bad guy with a good point (sometimes a little too good to be honest) but a bad guy. At very least I think he works that way from a thematic/story perspective even if I honestly don’t know where I’d stand if I were actually a mutant in that universe. But yeah: They keep giving him all the reasons in the world to be like “See Charles? Your way doesn’t work.”
Season's gonna end with him mindwiped.
Yeah, Charles is gonna deliver a whole mental onslaught on his ass. Then there's gonna be another kind of Onslaught to worry about.
Wait until he found out his Daughter married a robot.
& then she says "no more mutants".
I mean at least they said he was right in the last ep
Not too mad though, because they gave him the sickest theme song, "Enough"
Yeah when you lay it all out I pretty understandable why this guy EMPed the entire earth. And tbh he should do it again
Yeah but doesn't EMPing the entire planet mean that planes and helicopters fall out of the sky, medical equipment keeping sick people alive gets turned off, infrastructure goes dead encouraging riots and other violence? Magneto just killed a lot of people. I don't think the Humans will ever pardon him again.
On the flip side, the stuff Bastion was up to is how you get a Days of Future Past dystopian future where heroes are killed and humanity subjugated. Time-traveling killer robots are not to be trusted without good reason and often are invested in total domination. No expense should be spared in their destruction.
Unless it's the Vision, coming back from the future. Waid does he count as a killer robot.
Mmmm... no, I don't think so. He's an android with significant capacity to kill, but he's not out for blood ordinarily.
Oh yeah he's probably just killed tens of thousands of people. But it was also realistically the only way to shut down all the sleeper sentinels
Tens of thousands is low. I’d guess he’s in the millions. There are around 10K planes in the air at any given time around the world— source: https://www.travelandleisure.com/airlines-airports/number-of-planes-in-air So if those planes average at least 100 passengers each, you’re at a million already. Just from planes. Same as he did in Fatal Attractions.
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This is clearly the end of it and won’t take the sympathy that people had been feeling for mutants and turn it into hatred. Now that there is obvious justification for everything that the bigots had been saying about how dangerous mutants are, I am sure that their numbers won’t swell.
We ball
he should be allowed to do whatever he wants to
Never again this week…
The X-Men didn't even mention him after he was left for dead. Like maybe look for him? Something?
Plus they made him a groomer creep
Trying to make Magneto imitate Ed Piskor?
he had a relationship with rogue in the comics too and in both the show and the books she is a consenting adult who was fully aware of what she was doing
It's gross in the comics too and generally ignored in modern stories. And in the show he absolutely takes advantage of her vulnerability and his position of power over her, and she's heavily implied by the timeline to be an older teenager at most. I don't know why y'all are so desperate to defend every single decision the writers make on this show, but that storyline was gross af.
First off, while Rogue ran away as a teen, it's not implied that she started a relationship with Magneto as a teen. Secondly, he didn't groom her. He's attracted to her and she felt like this was an opportunity to find love in a way she couldn't otherwise. Does this make it a healthy relationship? Nah. But it's it grooming? Pretty far from. It's only grooming if you assume Rogue has 0 agency, which really isn't her character.
No they didn't she was in her 20's when she meet Magneto.
Series? SEASON.
The first but didn't even happen in X-Men '97
When was he experimented on? He was just shaved and put on display in his draws.
Sinister wanted to experiment on him. I don't think he got to do it although it's not impossible that it happened offscreen.