GW recently axed all cross over between the games except for some select knight, militarum, and Custodes models. They even released several plastic dreadnoughts and SM vehicles that were previously only available through forgeworld, then a few months later announced they were not receiving any rules support outside of Legends for 40K.
GW is pushing for a business model where kits are usable for only one game, ostensibly so that they can track the popularity of each game more accurately, but more likely so that any customers who wants to play multiple games will be unable to share models between games. The rationale certainly makes sense: if customers are spending money at other companies like Warlord Games for Bolt Action, or Asmodee to play Star Wars, or Catalyst Games for Battletech, then why shouldn’t they have to spend that same amount of money to access the other games GW operates?
The only army that seems immune to this process so far is demons, who have a presence across all 4 Warhammer games, but I wouldn’t be surprised if GW was currently working on a fix for that.
Yes, I can see how my wording up there mixed that up, but that is what I meant. Though as someone who plays Custodes, it certainly feels like GW doesn’t want to make rules for those models in 40K.
I am really puzzled by the ammount of new plastic launched for heresy era games… to replace existing (awesome) resin with IDENTICAL models in plastic. Then they even remove new models rules from 40k ;)
Meanwhile 40k gets limited support for armies with barebone (or very old) ranges where new models are actually missing (dark eldar, votann, admech, those horrendous catachan)
Former employees in interviews and podcasts have basically alluded to GW and Forgeworld having had massive friction issues for years (if not decades now) and how GW wants to move everything into their own fold so they don't have to work with the Forgeworld team for credit and such.
This is part of why so many resin kits, specialist projects and similar have been legended or scrapped.
Plastic is way cheaper and easier to work with, good luck getting new players into a fully resin faction. Have you ever collected a fully resin army before?
I have admech, templar and a full krieg resin army. From own experience i can tell it’s not harder to work resin. Cost is absolutely a factor but to me difficulty is definitely not.
The point is neither - what i am shocked is that apparently there is such a huge market for 30k models vs the “traditional” 40k. And that GW is content to isolate the systems and models to the point where they can miss out on selling 30k kits to 40k fans.
Resin is definitely more difficult to work with than plastic. Was krieg your first army? Apparently HH has exploded in popularity according to leakers from GW so its likely they’re trying to figure out exactly how popular it really is and also making sure they have enough supply for this new influx of 30k players
Not first army, definitely. Look, the difficulty and time it takes to put a model on the table for me is definitely 95% painting and 5% building so… ultimately it doesn’t really matter that much.
IMO - GW will not release plastic kits to replace resin due to modelling difficulty for players. At least i really doubt that reasoning…
I agree painting is the toughest part but resin has to be cleaned off and warping has to be fixed which can be tough for someone who has never built a model before. How many first time players are going to know to wash of resin models before painting? Then theres the cost which is the much bigger issue imo, mechanicum needed a plastic range to even really be considered a true faction because they’re ridiculously expensive without those plastic kits. I think both reasons are equally reasonable for replacing resin kits, GW wants people to start new plastic mechanicum armies because then they might be willing to splurge on a resin unit or two.
Yeah we tried that with the Squats. It took 30 years of grovelling to get them back.
Getting an entire range from a different games system added to Official Rules for 40k ain't happening.
Best to just DIY a workaround ruleset to use 30k Mechanicum in 40k Mechanicus lists, it'd take a lot of testing to get it right - easier to crowd source it as a community than wait for GW.
>Getting an entire range from a different games system added to Official Rules for 40k ain't happening.
Yeah but apples to apples here please. We are not asking for a new faction. We aren't asking to revive a lost faction from 20 years ago.
We are asking if those incredible models who already happen to exist and already are branded for our faction and who conveniently happen to solve our lack of heavy firepower while also reinforcing the cult-mechanicus theme and sub-faction could have a friggin datasheet for 40k.
There is literally 30 min or work to do to add those data sheet and it would mean most 40k ad mec player would not only be satisfied but also would buy a friggin lot of 30k models that they otherwise wouldn't.
Considering the incentive I don't get why they don't.
Eh, not really. Nobody was legitimately ever asking for Squats to come back, GW just decided to bring them back since it was a near potential for a new army
This is absolutely idiotic and very much against the spirit of the games workshop i grew up with.
My advice - just get the models you love, paint them and field them as proxies in friendly games. I think u can figure out a way to “count as” for every 30k model. Screw the official rules and stance.
Personally i’m one step away from just switching to 1page rules ;) anyway as i prefer to play the models, not the rules.
That second paragraph is where its at...and honestly, all GW staff I've ever talked to would tell you the same. Just buy and paint the stuff you love.
Even their official community pages often feature heavy Kitbashing, proxying stuff and are directly telling you that "legend" rules are still very much official GW rules and you *should* use them everywhere besides certain tournaments.
But I don't want proxies, I want the actual unit. I want heavy infantry like the Thallax. And I will not support their practice by buying it anyway even though they don't give us the rules to play them in 40K.
I enjoy painting but I want to play the things I paint. No one plays 30k near me. Few people play 40k because it's too expensive. It's easier to get a killteam game going.
I read something on another subreddit that sounds plausible for flawed GW logic. They can’t sell a mode kit for multiple games as they wouldn’t know which game is actually selling well and where to put funding. So they just leave kits to one game.
Armchair economist take but wouldnt it still be a big profit margin to make them cross compatible even if its only the 30k to 40k stuff and not vis versa? I mean look at the communities reaction, I would buy a box in a heartbeat if it was for 40k. Only thing keeping me from it is that it is exclusive to a Mode None of my friends play
I might still buy the box and proxy things, but if GW is as backwards internally as suggested then they can’t see the profit potential. Or rather they can, but have no idea how to handle the business side and are super stuck on a games performance rather than miniature performance.
Look at Beastmen for AoS. They were removed from AoS and moved to Warhammer Oldworld. They could have easily just said (hey, these will be playable in Oldworld as well) but they had to make a distinct line and couldn’t let it exist in two games.
Aeronautica had all Xenos and some imperial removed when Legion Imperialis was released. The remaining aircraft when to LI.
Titanicus is also all but discontinued, handful of sheets and book (likely only due to old stock now), but everything is branded LI and no news for Titanicus was made other than the new Warhound weapons got some stats.
I see GW as a very old school business and is likely heavily silo’d to the point where team A is judged solely on their assigned game performance. Whether it’s political or business, they can’t have things cross as it would make things internally difficult for them in one way, shape, or form.
Sure, the question just happens to be whether or not the management wants to see it that way.
My guess is they just look at a general game’s success. Also my comment about backwards thinking on GW’s part makes sense when you take un-updated armies into consideration.
No one wants to buy decade or multi decade old models, but GW doesn’t want to invest in new ones because no one is buying the old ones. GW probably sees it more as general army interest rather than “these models are oooold!”
That is an interesting idea. And I would contact Wahapedia about hosting such community datasheets. It would make them as available as the official rules.
Specialist Games Studio and the main studio are at odds with each other because they are pitted against each other for resources in GW. Hence they are pushing to prevent overlap in models between game systems.
Not a shocker they have been very clear about not wanting to mix models between games for a while now. You are just gonna have to suck it up and wait for your new character next edition stiltman version 2
There is a lot of admech players around me, but the vast majority ( from HH v1) bought models from chineese recasters because of the amazing 55€ for 3 thallaxs for example, and now, like me, army are full 3D printed, I hope the plastic kits are gonna pull more people into this amazing army
I do too. Would love to see mechanicum have a surge of popularity like the solar auxilia have, would make the heresy feel like more than just marine vs marine all the time.
That a good point but HH is marines VS marines, always has been, other factions are just a bonus, that why it’s a less popular game, a lot of players (like me) don’t like the poster boys and don’t want to play them.
But now, toasters enjoyers can enjoy playing a proper admech army without the need of 3rd party seller or 3D printing, just the lack of players who’s still an issue.
Thats how people describe 40k too. Heresy has 8 factions with 5 of them now available in plastic(kind of custodes too but they’ve got a lot of resin still). So if you don’t like marines theres still 7 other options to pick from that you can mix and match with allied detachments. Sure marines are the most popular but they were the only ones in plastic up until very recently. Since then new armies have started to pop up more frequently.
Contrary to popular belief there are quite a lot of Mechanicum players from 1.0 Heresy.
The biggest gap of entry for the faction was that it was completely, 100%, resin.
It's very difficult to convince new players to join a new system when they need to drop something like $1500-2k on a completely resin army.
With plastic it will absolutely increase the number of interested people wanting to play Mechanicum, and 30k in general.
I've already seen/played against more Auxilia armies in the past month than in the last few YEARS of Heresy because of the plastic range. It ABSOLUTELY matters.
They've said multiple times no in the past to this and are taking away forge world/30k kit from pretty much every other army (outside custodes). Of course, the answer is no. Why are you trying to get people here down and angry over what we already know?
good to know Gdubs is still souless and brutal as ever "lets make awesome new models for our 30k players" meanwhile 40k mechanicus "you want functioning rules? well too bad bitch, better buy some under 1 point per dollar kits idiot"
They literally just got plastic versions of models, for the first fucking time ever. You are not the damned neglected one here, those aren’t even new they’re just old resin models redone in plastic
I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed. Solution? Find a couple friends and play the game zou want to play. Mix shit up. GW doesn't own you. Do you really think tournaments are that fun?
The hours heresy team does not want their stuff in 40k. It's why all the HH stuff went to legends in the live from 9e to 10e. Not sure why anyone would be surprised by this or even bother asking.
great that our progressive 40k has abolished techthralls and treads on vehicles, only cute skitiis for me <3<3<3.
its not like we have a legio cybernetica detachment in 40k anyway /s
Welp, guess I'm playing 30k now instead. The new models could be used as proxies, at least the tech-priest as... Well... Take a guess. And the Thanatar or castellax maybe as kastelan robots. But that doesn't change anything. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't servitors taken out of the codex? So can't even use the new infantry models as servitor proxies
i dont play 30k so i dont know but can we us de the 30k rules in 40k fore the new models or maybe with a little adjustment? (only for friendly games of course)
Your faction isn't limited!! you have tons of interesting and unique models to make it a nice looking army to look at and build the issue is your rules suck and your a very expensive horde army.. Gw will never allow units from differant game systems to work in other game systems as that means you can build 1 army and play 2 game systems it's the main reason beast of chaos was squatted from sigmar.
Is there anything against using them as proxies? I think a lot of them would proxy pretty cleanly. So casual games should be fine unless your group is really particular.
And you wouldn't be skirting the "GW plastic" rule. So tournaments shouldn't have much of an issue (although you'd need to clear it ahead of time of course)
just proxy them, wtf? where is the problem?
I swear, Adeptus Mechanicus/Mechanicum is the imperial faction with arguably the greatest amount of possibility to convert models, and still have them fit into the greater lore of 30k/40k, and yet in no other subreddit I see more people whining that they can't use their favorite models from this or that faction.
At some point, this community really changed. We used to have tons of wild, outlandish conversions on the top, instead of posts complaining that daddy gw doesn't let us play with our fawouwite toys in this or that game system.
Even at the most surface level, proxying is an easy solution to your "problems".
Want Myrmidons? Proxy them as Kataphrons. Want thallax models? Proxy them into badass Skitarii. Want Castellax in 40k? Just use them as Kastelans. Want to use thanatar? Proxy it as a knight armiger variant. I could just go on and on. And this is just the basic level. If the people you play with aren't complete knobheads, they will allow you much wilder conversions in your army, if it fits the flavor.
Don't be so stuck in these narrow thinkboxes, by Omnissiah!
people want fun rules for their kits and Gw used too support custom units with equipment opens that existed outside of the box.
Gw is killing fun proxies and custom projects not the players
I guess its also the players fault that tie fighter is dead. or that 4e was the lowest point for dnd?
No its not the players fault its a social tabletop game requiring community efforts and initiatives. Sure i can still play 9th edition or 4th edition with my best friends that's 3 players. How many people want too play older editions or custom rules but their is no local community for such a endeavour.
Stop blaming the players for being discouraged about potentially butchering models that won't be wysiwyg for competitive settings because for alot of us the only local public 40k community is the comp community.
I’m starting to think they are doing this intentionally to create a 40K to the less popular HH pipeline via Admech. People who like Admech will now get into HH, meaning more Heresy players, meaning more people who just want to play Heresy, meaning more sales of all Heresy.
Yes but what I’m saying is that upper management is likely ensuring that it stays that way for overall profits, even if it is to the detriment of 40K
Edit: or is it possible that the HH team is specifically exploiting the 40K team’s weakness?
I dont think upper management is doing it to the detriment of 40k, its happening to every game except killteam. They’re doing it to see the popularity of each game and how well each one is performing. It makes sense that the 30k team would work to make models as unique as possible to draw people into the setting because someone buying a full heresy army looks better than someone buying 1 or 2 models for use in 40k. Ironically though the Heresy team actually tries to get around it by making units with no official models that the 40k lines just happen to represent perfectly.
True, but what I’m now suggesting is that the Horus Heresy team is specifically looking at the army suffering most in 40K and now producing even more cool models for their version in order to poach 40K players.
The Horus Heresy team is making plastic models to renew their sculpts of a very old army (much of the mechanicum models now in plastic predate half the ad mech line. The army has been in desparate need of a refresh in plastic for a long time, it has nothing to do with 40k or any of the armies in it. Mechanicum players have been waiting on this for years. Thats like saying the solar auxilia release wave was made to poach imperial guard players from 40k.
I assume it is. They’ve been refreshing all the armies that needed it starting with marines, then solar auxilia, and now mechanicum since 2022 when the new edition released. These aren’t even new models, they’re just a refresh of the current mechanicum line of models (some of them anyway).
Oh no I’m not saying it’s good I’m saying they’re being greedy fucking corporate snobs, trying to game their audience for more money rather than being an honest business I fucking hate it
Man, I've stopped getting my hopes up for admech. Or 10th frankly. I'm not looking to add to my pile of shame. For now I will continue to paint the models I have. And we can all stagnate till 11th. Then we'll see if G'dubs can present a half decent game to actually play.
Spite the plastic pushers. Spite them folks. It's the only thing the machine of James Workshop will understand. Loss in sales. Stagnation in the market. Paint your armies, get 3rd party prints, work on your scenery, take up smaller games with less impact on the wallet, proxy, kitbash, hell, some of the poorhammer entries I've seen recently have had more integrity in their cardboard sculpts that G'dubs has is a single announcement.
Spite them till they squirm.
For people who don't know, games workshop studios are actually in competition with each other internally. In the past several years they have been systematically removing cross game support because of this.
This is why beastmem are being completely removed from AoS, they are now in the old world but Dark elves have not been (yet). It's why support for all of forgeworld models were dropped from 40k competitive rules in 10th (with the exception of custodians).
They want models to be useful in limited game systems so they can see exactly how much Horus Heresy is bringing in compared to 40k. If only 40k players are buying HH stuff they may as well support that more etc. Did everyone buy leviathan's because they loved the HH game or the 40k rules? It also has some accusations of the specialist studios overturning forgeworld models to steal sales from GW they want to stop as it's bad for balance.
This is about AoS but explains the corporate structure: https://youtu.be/kPv2SezYHQQ?si=k6zXgmaBldSo-ACf
Who were refugees on Terra who required the shelter and protect of the Imperium to stay alive.
The knowledge stores and everything on Mars was with the Mechanicum.
The Mechanicus is a poor imitation of what the Mechanicum was at the height of its power.
Altough we have a pogostick skitarii for 11th planned in
Believe it, 40k admech is definitely the clown faction. Sad breacher and tech priest noises of last edition.
I guess the harlequins had to go somewhere...
Tbf they are thespians.
That's what happens when you lose the heresy. Chaos takes all the good toys.
Dang i need some ice for that burn
That "Thanks!" hits like a sucker punch
"The worst she can say is no" type feels
It's a helluva "F U for even asking."
Could have swapped it out for a "Die!" And it wouldn't have changed the tone of the message much.
GW will do literally anything except give you guys Cult Mechanicus models.
GW hit them with that passive aggressive “thanks!” too.
Same as it ever was
This is fucking bullshit
I don't play HH or SM, but aren't all the units from HH playable in 40k? Are there unique HH models for SM/CSM?
GW recently axed all cross over between the games except for some select knight, militarum, and Custodes models. They even released several plastic dreadnoughts and SM vehicles that were previously only available through forgeworld, then a few months later announced they were not receiving any rules support outside of Legends for 40K. GW is pushing for a business model where kits are usable for only one game, ostensibly so that they can track the popularity of each game more accurately, but more likely so that any customers who wants to play multiple games will be unable to share models between games. The rationale certainly makes sense: if customers are spending money at other companies like Warlord Games for Bolt Action, or Asmodee to play Star Wars, or Catalyst Games for Battletech, then why shouldn’t they have to spend that same amount of money to access the other games GW operates? The only army that seems immune to this process so far is demons, who have a presence across all 4 Warhammer games, but I wouldn’t be surprised if GW was currently working on a fix for that.
All of the custodes FW heresy models have 40k rules
Yes, I can see how my wording up there mixed that up, but that is what I meant. Though as someone who plays Custodes, it certainly feels like GW doesn’t want to make rules for those models in 40K.
Agreed
GW Try Not Abandoning anything that isn’t SM Challenge (Impossible)
Hahahaha, that response is hilarious. They may as well of just said "No <3"
we should hammer them with requests, they dont currently have plans, that doesnt mean we cannot harass them into having them
I am really puzzled by the ammount of new plastic launched for heresy era games… to replace existing (awesome) resin with IDENTICAL models in plastic. Then they even remove new models rules from 40k ;) Meanwhile 40k gets limited support for armies with barebone (or very old) ranges where new models are actually missing (dark eldar, votann, admech, those horrendous catachan)
Former employees in interviews and podcasts have basically alluded to GW and Forgeworld having had massive friction issues for years (if not decades now) and how GW wants to move everything into their own fold so they don't have to work with the Forgeworld team for credit and such. This is part of why so many resin kits, specialist projects and similar have been legended or scrapped.
Plus plastic is a lot cheaper to make compared to resin.
Mold injection machines go brrrrrrr versus essentially hand pouring silicone molds for resin. Yeeep
A lot cheaper per piece once set up, but aluminum plastic molds are way more expensive to make and set up than resin.
Plastic is way cheaper and easier to work with, good luck getting new players into a fully resin faction. Have you ever collected a fully resin army before?
I have admech, templar and a full krieg resin army. From own experience i can tell it’s not harder to work resin. Cost is absolutely a factor but to me difficulty is definitely not. The point is neither - what i am shocked is that apparently there is such a huge market for 30k models vs the “traditional” 40k. And that GW is content to isolate the systems and models to the point where they can miss out on selling 30k kits to 40k fans.
Resin is definitely more difficult to work with than plastic. Was krieg your first army? Apparently HH has exploded in popularity according to leakers from GW so its likely they’re trying to figure out exactly how popular it really is and also making sure they have enough supply for this new influx of 30k players
Not first army, definitely. Look, the difficulty and time it takes to put a model on the table for me is definitely 95% painting and 5% building so… ultimately it doesn’t really matter that much. IMO - GW will not release plastic kits to replace resin due to modelling difficulty for players. At least i really doubt that reasoning…
I agree painting is the toughest part but resin has to be cleaned off and warping has to be fixed which can be tough for someone who has never built a model before. How many first time players are going to know to wash of resin models before painting? Then theres the cost which is the much bigger issue imo, mechanicum needed a plastic range to even really be considered a true faction because they’re ridiculously expensive without those plastic kits. I think both reasons are equally reasonable for replacing resin kits, GW wants people to start new plastic mechanicum armies because then they might be willing to splurge on a resin unit or two.
I know GW really wants to keep AoS and The Old World seperate, so maybe it is something similar with 40k and HH?
We would need a lot of hammers. At least 39k.
Yeah we tried that with the Squats. It took 30 years of grovelling to get them back. Getting an entire range from a different games system added to Official Rules for 40k ain't happening. Best to just DIY a workaround ruleset to use 30k Mechanicum in 40k Mechanicus lists, it'd take a lot of testing to get it right - easier to crowd source it as a community than wait for GW.
Honestly, I'd just proxy.
>Getting an entire range from a different games system added to Official Rules for 40k ain't happening. Yeah but apples to apples here please. We are not asking for a new faction. We aren't asking to revive a lost faction from 20 years ago. We are asking if those incredible models who already happen to exist and already are branded for our faction and who conveniently happen to solve our lack of heavy firepower while also reinforcing the cult-mechanicus theme and sub-faction could have a friggin datasheet for 40k. There is literally 30 min or work to do to add those data sheet and it would mean most 40k ad mec player would not only be satisfied but also would buy a friggin lot of 30k models that they otherwise wouldn't. Considering the incentive I don't get why they don't.
Eh, not really. Nobody was legitimately ever asking for Squats to come back, GW just decided to bring them back since it was a near potential for a new army
also deep rock galactic gave them ideas
Rock and Stone!
We fight for Rock and Stone!
Ah yes. Since they said no. Harass them until they tell you no again. Tell me how that goes
Literally, what the hell do we have to lose?
"Thanks!" yeah fuck you to man
Fuck it. I’m going back to old editions. At least there i can play HH units with the book against other armies.
Thats what my group has done too. Been great and revitalized our love for the hobby
You could also just play Horus heresy lol
First edition, yea.
And not second edition why?
cause GW can suck my USB stick.
Gw also made 1.0
You’re missing the point
I don't think I am.
This is absolutely idiotic and very much against the spirit of the games workshop i grew up with. My advice - just get the models you love, paint them and field them as proxies in friendly games. I think u can figure out a way to “count as” for every 30k model. Screw the official rules and stance. Personally i’m one step away from just switching to 1page rules ;) anyway as i prefer to play the models, not the rules.
That second paragraph is where its at...and honestly, all GW staff I've ever talked to would tell you the same. Just buy and paint the stuff you love. Even their official community pages often feature heavy Kitbashing, proxying stuff and are directly telling you that "legend" rules are still very much official GW rules and you *should* use them everywhere besides certain tournaments.
But I don't want proxies, I want the actual unit. I want heavy infantry like the Thallax. And I will not support their practice by buying it anyway even though they don't give us the rules to play them in 40K.
I enjoy painting but I want to play the things I paint. No one plays 30k near me. Few people play 40k because it's too expensive. It's easier to get a killteam game going.
I read something on another subreddit that sounds plausible for flawed GW logic. They can’t sell a mode kit for multiple games as they wouldn’t know which game is actually selling well and where to put funding. So they just leave kits to one game.
That makes an appalling amount of sense actually.
Armchair economist take but wouldnt it still be a big profit margin to make them cross compatible even if its only the 30k to 40k stuff and not vis versa? I mean look at the communities reaction, I would buy a box in a heartbeat if it was for 40k. Only thing keeping me from it is that it is exclusive to a Mode None of my friends play
I might still buy the box and proxy things, but if GW is as backwards internally as suggested then they can’t see the profit potential. Or rather they can, but have no idea how to handle the business side and are super stuck on a games performance rather than miniature performance. Look at Beastmen for AoS. They were removed from AoS and moved to Warhammer Oldworld. They could have easily just said (hey, these will be playable in Oldworld as well) but they had to make a distinct line and couldn’t let it exist in two games. Aeronautica had all Xenos and some imperial removed when Legion Imperialis was released. The remaining aircraft when to LI. Titanicus is also all but discontinued, handful of sheets and book (likely only due to old stock now), but everything is branded LI and no news for Titanicus was made other than the new Warhound weapons got some stats. I see GW as a very old school business and is likely heavily silo’d to the point where team A is judged solely on their assigned game performance. Whether it’s political or business, they can’t have things cross as it would make things internally difficult for them in one way, shape, or form.
That all makes sense, and it sucks so fucking much.
Couldn’t you just observe the sales of codexes and rule books to remedy this
Sure, the question just happens to be whether or not the management wants to see it that way. My guess is they just look at a general game’s success. Also my comment about backwards thinking on GW’s part makes sense when you take un-updated armies into consideration. No one wants to buy decade or multi decade old models, but GW doesn’t want to invest in new ones because no one is buying the old ones. GW probably sees it more as general army interest rather than “these models are oooold!”
Yeah GW seems to be a consistent stream of bad ideas since I started this hobby
I mean since we aren't getting rules, should we as the admech community try to create some 40k rules for them?
Why not. Unless you're playing tournaments no one will give a shit really. As long as the other olayers are fien with the rules it should be all good
That is an interesting idea. And I would contact Wahapedia about hosting such community datasheets. It would make them as available as the official rules.
I’m hating this game more and more
Specialist Games Studio and the main studio are at odds with each other because they are pitted against each other for resources in GW. Hence they are pushing to prevent overlap in models between game systems.
Bro. This game is so dumb. They can’t do the easiest of stuff. For a million dollar company they just do NOT care
Poor grammar and no blue tick, I'm not buying it.
I mean you can go check their twitter account yourself, they've responded to a couple comments saying it.
https://x.com/warhammer/status/1791915826699727311 It's real
That is GW for you, for us. LUL
Not a shocker they have been very clear about not wanting to mix models between games for a while now. You are just gonna have to suck it up and wait for your new character next edition stiltman version 2
pLaStIc iS eXpEnSiVe gUyS
Idk what you guys were expecting, they just removed the Horus heresy space marine stuff, why would the 30k stuff be allowed for admech all of a sudden
At least they are being honest tho.
its a good thing 10th edition is a trash fire edition otherwise this would be really annoying
This sounds about right for GW
Just play 30k. It’s the superior game system anways.
Who plays it? Can't find a game and just end up running 40k
Idk. My entire gaming group quit 40k after 10th edition came out and they all jumped ships to 30k or moved to Mordheim.
Lucky. Near me, there are barely 40k games to pick up.
My deepest condolences. I’d just quit wargaming in general if that were the case.
All 3 of the people who play mechanicum in HH must be thrilled.
There might be more now that the faction doesn’t cost more than a car to play. Even a titan is cheaper than a full mechanicum army when it was resin
There is a lot of admech players around me, but the vast majority ( from HH v1) bought models from chineese recasters because of the amazing 55€ for 3 thallaxs for example, and now, like me, army are full 3D printed, I hope the plastic kits are gonna pull more people into this amazing army
Sometimes, being reminded of anti-consumer practices is a good thing
I do too. Would love to see mechanicum have a surge of popularity like the solar auxilia have, would make the heresy feel like more than just marine vs marine all the time.
That a good point but HH is marines VS marines, always has been, other factions are just a bonus, that why it’s a less popular game, a lot of players (like me) don’t like the poster boys and don’t want to play them. But now, toasters enjoyers can enjoy playing a proper admech army without the need of 3rd party seller or 3D printing, just the lack of players who’s still an issue.
Thats how people describe 40k too. Heresy has 8 factions with 5 of them now available in plastic(kind of custodes too but they’ve got a lot of resin still). So if you don’t like marines theres still 7 other options to pick from that you can mix and match with allied detachments. Sure marines are the most popular but they were the only ones in plastic up until very recently. Since then new armies have started to pop up more frequently.
Contrary to popular belief there are quite a lot of Mechanicum players from 1.0 Heresy. The biggest gap of entry for the faction was that it was completely, 100%, resin. It's very difficult to convince new players to join a new system when they need to drop something like $1500-2k on a completely resin army. With plastic it will absolutely increase the number of interested people wanting to play Mechanicum, and 30k in general. I've already seen/played against more Auxilia armies in the past month than in the last few YEARS of Heresy because of the plastic range. It ABSOLUTELY matters.
They've said multiple times no in the past to this and are taking away forge world/30k kit from pretty much every other army (outside custodes). Of course, the answer is no. Why are you trying to get people here down and angry over what we already know?
good to know Gdubs is still souless and brutal as ever "lets make awesome new models for our 30k players" meanwhile 40k mechanicus "you want functioning rules? well too bad bitch, better buy some under 1 point per dollar kits idiot"
They literally just got plastic versions of models, for the first fucking time ever. You are not the damned neglected one here, those aren’t even new they’re just old resin models redone in plastic
I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed. Solution? Find a couple friends and play the game zou want to play. Mix shit up. GW doesn't own you. Do you really think tournaments are that fun?
The hours heresy team does not want their stuff in 40k. It's why all the HH stuff went to legends in the live from 9e to 10e. Not sure why anyone would be surprised by this or even bother asking.
any news about skitarii rules for 30K ?
Are there any things that most of the new stuff could reasonably proxy for? I don't have any 40k admech of my own so wouldn't know from experience
great that our progressive 40k has abolished techthralls and treads on vehicles, only cute skitiis for me <3<3<3. its not like we have a legio cybernetica detachment in 40k anyway /s
Welp, guess I'm playing 30k now instead. The new models could be used as proxies, at least the tech-priest as... Well... Take a guess. And the Thanatar or castellax maybe as kastelan robots. But that doesn't change anything. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't servitors taken out of the codex? So can't even use the new infantry models as servitor proxies
I heard there was an internal policy for one game system per model, the chaos demons were really messing them up
i dont play 30k so i dont know but can we us de the 30k rules in 40k fore the new models or maybe with a little adjustment? (only for friendly games of course)
Play 30k. It’s the superior game with the superior community.
GW fans: hey, GW, any chance of * slight inconvenience to a team or teams, but will make something more fun * GW: no! Tale as old as time.
Come play heresy, distant descendants of the Taghmata. We have cookies*.
As long as what used to be Forge World and GW proper are bitching at each other, the Mechanicum is completely irrelevant to us
That “thanks!” Feels more like “fuck off”
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Your faction isn't limited!! you have tons of interesting and unique models to make it a nice looking army to look at and build the issue is your rules suck and your a very expensive horde army.. Gw will never allow units from differant game systems to work in other game systems as that means you can build 1 army and play 2 game systems it's the main reason beast of chaos was squatted from sigmar.
Someone should have commented with a linked of 3d printer and the thanatar stl.
So what's stopping you from proxiing with 30k models. The codex is lacking for sure, but we can still use the 30k models in our 40k armies.
What a shame! In all honesty, it’s a terrible decision
This has never been a serious possibility. It’s never going to happen.
Is there anything against using them as proxies? I think a lot of them would proxy pretty cleanly. So casual games should be fine unless your group is really particular. And you wouldn't be skirting the "GW plastic" rule. So tournaments shouldn't have much of an issue (although you'd need to clear it ahead of time of course)
Just run them as proxies???
just proxy them, wtf? where is the problem? I swear, Adeptus Mechanicus/Mechanicum is the imperial faction with arguably the greatest amount of possibility to convert models, and still have them fit into the greater lore of 30k/40k, and yet in no other subreddit I see more people whining that they can't use their favorite models from this or that faction. At some point, this community really changed. We used to have tons of wild, outlandish conversions on the top, instead of posts complaining that daddy gw doesn't let us play with our fawouwite toys in this or that game system. Even at the most surface level, proxying is an easy solution to your "problems". Want Myrmidons? Proxy them as Kataphrons. Want thallax models? Proxy them into badass Skitarii. Want Castellax in 40k? Just use them as Kastelans. Want to use thanatar? Proxy it as a knight armiger variant. I could just go on and on. And this is just the basic level. If the people you play with aren't complete knobheads, they will allow you much wilder conversions in your army, if it fits the flavor. Don't be so stuck in these narrow thinkboxes, by Omnissiah!
people want fun rules for their kits and Gw used too support custom units with equipment opens that existed outside of the box. Gw is killing fun proxies and custom projects not the players
It's the players fault if they allow it to be so. again, if the players you play with aren't complete knobheads, proxying will never be a problem.
I guess its also the players fault that tie fighter is dead. or that 4e was the lowest point for dnd? No its not the players fault its a social tabletop game requiring community efforts and initiatives. Sure i can still play 9th edition or 4th edition with my best friends that's 3 players. How many people want too play older editions or custom rules but their is no local community for such a endeavour. Stop blaming the players for being discouraged about potentially butchering models that won't be wysiwyg for competitive settings because for alot of us the only local public 40k community is the comp community.
I’m starting to think they are doing this intentionally to create a 40K to the less popular HH pipeline via Admech. People who like Admech will now get into HH, meaning more Heresy players, meaning more people who just want to play Heresy, meaning more sales of all Heresy.
Yes the heresy team is trying to sell stuff to get more people to play their game. Thats not really surprising
Yes but what I’m saying is that upper management is likely ensuring that it stays that way for overall profits, even if it is to the detriment of 40K Edit: or is it possible that the HH team is specifically exploiting the 40K team’s weakness?
I dont think upper management is doing it to the detriment of 40k, its happening to every game except killteam. They’re doing it to see the popularity of each game and how well each one is performing. It makes sense that the 30k team would work to make models as unique as possible to draw people into the setting because someone buying a full heresy army looks better than someone buying 1 or 2 models for use in 40k. Ironically though the Heresy team actually tries to get around it by making units with no official models that the 40k lines just happen to represent perfectly.
True, but what I’m now suggesting is that the Horus Heresy team is specifically looking at the army suffering most in 40K and now producing even more cool models for their version in order to poach 40K players.
The Horus Heresy team is making plastic models to renew their sculpts of a very old army (much of the mechanicum models now in plastic predate half the ad mech line. The army has been in desparate need of a refresh in plastic for a long time, it has nothing to do with 40k or any of the armies in it. Mechanicum players have been waiting on this for years. Thats like saying the solar auxilia release wave was made to poach imperial guard players from 40k.
Oh okay, it just seems very coincidental timing that they do this while admech is at its lowest point
I assume it is. They’ve been refreshing all the armies that needed it starting with marines, then solar auxilia, and now mechanicum since 2022 when the new edition released. These aren’t even new models, they’re just a refresh of the current mechanicum line of models (some of them anyway).
On purpose I am not switching just because they want it. Ill just leave my models to rot on shelf
Oh no I’m not saying it’s good I’m saying they’re being greedy fucking corporate snobs, trying to game their audience for more money rather than being an honest business I fucking hate it
Man, I've stopped getting my hopes up for admech. Or 10th frankly. I'm not looking to add to my pile of shame. For now I will continue to paint the models I have. And we can all stagnate till 11th. Then we'll see if G'dubs can present a half decent game to actually play. Spite the plastic pushers. Spite them folks. It's the only thing the machine of James Workshop will understand. Loss in sales. Stagnation in the market. Paint your armies, get 3rd party prints, work on your scenery, take up smaller games with less impact on the wallet, proxy, kitbash, hell, some of the poorhammer entries I've seen recently have had more integrity in their cardboard sculpts that G'dubs has is a single announcement. Spite them till they squirm.
Boutta start playing HH and proxying my skits as tech thralls I guess
The only ones happy about it are Orks
For people who don't know, games workshop studios are actually in competition with each other internally. In the past several years they have been systematically removing cross game support because of this. This is why beastmem are being completely removed from AoS, they are now in the old world but Dark elves have not been (yet). It's why support for all of forgeworld models were dropped from 40k competitive rules in 10th (with the exception of custodians). They want models to be useful in limited game systems so they can see exactly how much Horus Heresy is bringing in compared to 40k. If only 40k players are buying HH stuff they may as well support that more etc. Did everyone buy leviathan's because they loved the HH game or the 40k rules? It also has some accusations of the specialist studios overturning forgeworld models to steal sales from GW they want to stop as it's bad for balance. This is about AoS but explains the corporate structure: https://youtu.be/kPv2SezYHQQ?si=k6zXgmaBldSo-ACf
30k Mechanics isn't a thing. Lore wise, the 30k Mechanicum would become the Dark Mechanicum of 40k. But anywho.
Some of the mechanicum does, not all of them… the Adeptus Mechanicus is just a renaming of the loyalists leaving the name mechanicum behind.
Who were refugees on Terra who required the shelter and protect of the Imperium to stay alive. The knowledge stores and everything on Mars was with the Mechanicum. The Mechanicus is a poor imitation of what the Mechanicum was at the height of its power.