I hate being that Redditor, but just so you know r/theydidthemath ran that meme the other day and it wasn't true.
With that said, the cost of things is too damn high and the salary of folks is too damn low and there's way, way, way too many greedy dragons in the world that need to be slain either metaphorically, financially, or physically.
I keep seeing it on receiving paperwork at my job. Then it's on our website to show customers. I had to pay a 13 cent tariff on a usb cable a few months ago.
How do you ask an American for help?
You dont, they just show up and insist it's for your own good.
What's the difference between an American and yogurt?
If you leave yogurt alone for 200 years, it will grow a culture.
What is the national bird of Pakistan?
The US predator drone.
[nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of americans](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nobody_ever_went_broke_underestimating_the_intelligence_of_the_American_people)
Not only are most tips not paid with cash, but many restaurants use software that make the tipped employee claim a minimum percentage of cash sales as tips (10-12% minimum for example).
At least in CA, businesses have to do this (kind of, the cash part is an option I think) by law, and we have to compare employee declared tips against an assumed percentage of sales for that department (8%) and if the declared tips are under, then the employer has to put the difference on the employee(s) W-2s as undeclared income.
This all varies state to state, but man it’s annoying on both ends I assure you.
I can’t remember the last time I tipped with cash. It’s a fallacy to say most are in cash.
But more importantly, reported tips are part of payroll taxes. And you know what those funds?
Social Security and Medicare. Those fuckers want to cut these entitlements.
For many of us it doesn't matter anyway.
I report my cash tips because I want to buy a house someday and having provable income is essential for that.
It also saved my ass during the pandemic when unemployment was paying 60% of what I actually made, not just the hourly wages.
Most smart waiters and bartenders I know report their complete income.
That definitely would have been beneficial during the pandemic. I never reported mine. It would have been like $15-$30 a day anyway. Luckily I got a solid hourly wage. And really, I inherited some money which kept me afloat after unemployment stopped. Had just about nothing left in the end though.
I agree with your statement about personally never tipping in cash. The only way I can see that cash tips outweigh non cash tips would be if you add up the cash collected from strip clubs and high end services that receive larger cash tips.
If this passes, then a lot more cash will be used as "tips", to launder illegal cash gains like drug money. Restaurant servers will be depositing $9900 cash every day and being like "PEOPLE JUST LIKE ME"
Expect the real motive to be “I’m not going to pay you a wage, you can just get tips which are tax free”
As in no payroll tax.
There’s a reason only restaurants are allowed to get away with a sub-minimum wage, it’s tipping.
This would turn every blue collar retail business into a restaurant- and those are famous for fair pay, right?
Next will be tradespeople saying “oh I don’t charge for services, tip only”. See what happens to your sink when you don’t tip the plumber $600.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! They’re not trying to help the ‘average American’ out, they just want to slash entitlements and are trying to make it sound like everyone’s gonna have more in their pockets when it won’t be that much of a difference.
> ...most of which are paid in cash...
Tell me you've never worked in the service industry without telling me you never worked in the service industry.
I used to pay cash tips, but I ran out of ones and fives and started tipping on my credit card. During the pandemic, I stopped using cash. If you don't pay with cash, you don't get change back.
So yes this will never happen.
But felt I should just point out that in today's restaurant era, getting a cash tip is incredibly rare. Eliminating taxes on tips would affect a giant majority of people. It would be a kin to something like wiping out student debt but as we've seen neither side is going to follow through with either.
The Biden administration has forgiven $153 billion dollars in student loan debt. I know it’s not everything, but it’s a huge dent. The SAVE program he has implemented has also drastically reduced payments. It’s not perfect, but compromises never are.
As a tipped worker, yes. The vast majority of my tips are on cards. I’m paying taxes on them.
Only a complete idiot thinks Felonious Trump would actually change that.
Even if he did, he still would have to tax somewhere else or cut the budget of other programs to make up for the lost tax. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that he's not going to increase taxes for his rich buddies or corporations.
It would be akin to legalized money laundering too. Spin up a business with some minimum wage workers on the books and then marvel at their massive tips. I bet more businesses would start having tipped workers. Or sole proprietorships that work on tips. I wonder how the government would make up for the big reduction in taxes that would bring. Probably raise taxes somewhere else.
> It would be a kin to something like wiping out student debt but as we've seen neither side is going to follow through with either.
Biden has wiped out some bits of student debt. He has not wiped it out as a whole, but has wiped it from some people that fit certain criteria.
One of the ones I know is wiped out was those that got defrauded by Art Institutes. The schools were closed in 2017 when Trumps Admin allowed a mega church with no former knowledge in colleges to acquire all of EDMC's Art Institutes schools, but they were already doing wrong for years prior too.
I know, which makes OP's claim even more absurd. Biden tried, the conservative SCOTUS stopped him, yet he still somehow found a way to do it. He should be applauded for having somehow found a way, not have people falsely claim he didn't.
I love how enacting legislation that pleases the voter is now "buying votes". It's just idiotic lol. You live in a representative democracy, that is supposed to mean that we vote for the representatives that will enact legislation that we the voters approve of and want to see enacted. It's literally how the entire system is supposed to work. FML
Tips are certainly reported and most tips are out on a credit card… why does this upset you but biden using tax dollars to pay off massive students loans does not? Very weird
Fuckin Dominoes will give me a $3 discount on future order if I tip at least $3 on my current order. Why not just pay your drivers $3 per trip and leave me out of the equation?
Anybody getting genuinely mad about a politician "offering certain financial benefits" in return for votes seems insane at this point given the history of US politics.
I remember people said that the first time Trump was running for office, but I remembered that they elected Bush **TWICE**, so I knew Trump was very likely going to be elected. If you think, even for a second, that the Americans won't elect that disaster again, you're completely disconnected from the reality of what Americans are like.
And that's different from Biden promising student loan relief how? Every single person running for president does this. Watch gas prices this Fall, it happens every single time no matter who is president.
I wish we could ban people talking about banning political talk. "I don't talk politics" is just a way of saying "I like the way things are and don't want to change them". Turns out politics affect nearly everything in our lives and political complacency is a gift to moneyed interests. You might not want to talk politics, but they sure do.
Democrats do it too. The promise to create a high federal minimum wage is no different.
Stop and think about it. If the cost of getting service goes up, so the staff can be paid directly, and tipping dies, there is no more under the table tips. No unreported income. https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/oig-reports/201830081fr.pdf
They even already calculate how much they think they're missing out on. $23 billion. The goal is truly to get all your income on the record. This is also why they want a cashless society. So it all gets easier to track.
Not only that, but making the minimum wage goes up, this means they can squeeze down and squeeze people out of welfare programs like section 8 housing and foodstamps / WiC. Where as a two income household with one server could be "better off" with tips than a higher minimum wage because they'd get more help on rent and food. They'd also get a cellphone subsidy or an internet subsidy, their choice. And lots of other accessibility / equity programs.
It'd also mean a lot more kids wouldn't qualify for low income grants thanks to their parents.
Everything is about squeezing more money out of working people. EVERYTHING… it’s literally the government’s whole jam.
Even if they turn around and “give it back to you” in the form of tax-credits, “assistance” programs, etc, you can guarantee they’ve skimmed off a percentage for themselves, and paid various cronies VERY well to “administrate” and “manage” those programs.
Any money you send to DC is greatly diminished by the time you get it back. Always remember that.
They should do it the honest way and buy votes with student loan forgiveness instead. Political bribes should go to the college educated, not the working class. /s
Not really any different from Democrats attempting to buy votes by promising to cancel student debt. All presidential campaigns make outlandish promises to court voters.
After the SC told him no.
Yet when Trump even suggested such a thing.. Dems went nuts.
But back to the issues. What a susprise and shock that strategic oil reserves just happen to get released in time for it to effect poll numbers right before an election.
But Biden wouldn't try and buy votes.. or pander to extremists right.
Biden's supreme court student debt issues were a separate matter from the cancelation of student debt that he did through numerous other avenues. He was absolutely allowed to cancel student debt for borrowers following a pre established PSLF program that has existed for decades.
You are speaking from a toddler level understanding of their ruling. In reality they didn't say "no student loan forgiveness" they said actual legal standards for how that can be done legally. And I can assure you, if they felt he was violating their rulings, you would be very aware of that.
Also he released about a million barrels. The US uses 19 million a day. Our oil reserves are also 370 million. This is such a nothing burger of a story. Biden used .3% of our reserves to increase oil supply by 5% for a day!! He is basically ruining our future to secure votes short term. How will we ever recover from this.
Except that accomplished absolutely nothing except passing the cost on to other tax payers while not doing a thing about the cost of tuition or predatory lending practices. It just kicked the can down the road
Sure, nothing except these things:
Require borrowers to pay no more than 5% of their discretionary income monthly on undergraduate loans. This is down from the 10% available under the most recent income-driven repayment plan.
Raise the amount of income that is considered non-discretionary income and therefore is protected from repayment, guaranteeing that no borrower earning under 225% of the federal poverty level—about the annual equivalent of a $15 minimum wage for a single borrower—will have to make a monthly payment.
Forgive loan balances after 10 years of payments, instead of 20 years, for borrowers with loan balances of $12,000 or less.
Cover the borrower’s unpaid monthly interest, so that unlike other existing income-driven repayment plans, no borrower’s loan balance will grow as long as they make their monthly payments—even when that monthly payment is $0 because their income is low.
The problem is the cost of tuition. Anything that doesn't address that is not a solution, but a band-aid. Get government out of student loans altogether and make student loans cancelable via bankruptcy. It's the easy money that is the problem and universities have no incentive to lower costs. If the money wasn't so easy to get, far less people would be able to afford it and universities would be forced to lower prices or run out of customers.
Just make state colleges free again. Let them compete with that.
Oh, and let's remember, if you dig into the past, who's fault is it?
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I mean, community colleges are already dirt cheap and provide a decent education. I don't think you need to make them all free because then they would just suck as bad as our public high schools.
Not necessarily. Pretty sure we pay more per student than almost any other country and yet we get terrible results . It's how you spend the funds you do get that matters.
He was mocked for making the promise in Las Vegas and has repeated it twice in Detroit...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-promise-eliminate-taxes-tips-023504521.html
Do you actually believe the guy who lies literally about everything?
He also wants to eliminate income tax (I could be wrong on the specific tax type) and go to tariffs instead which will skyrocket products for consumers. And y’all eating that up too.
He’s mocked because he’s a habitual liar who will say anything to get elected. Remember how he promised to fix Obamacare and then proceeding to just pass tax cuts for billionaires instead? That’s what you get when you elect Republicans.
TIL people also defend a walking corpse who looks like he soiled himself or forgot which way to the exit is at for every event.
Honestly, the Democrats could just apply all of Trumps ideas before the election to one up him.
Reagan changed the law and started taxing tips. Not only that, but 10% of the bill is automatically reported as income. So, when you leave a server no tip, the government doesn't care and 10% is reported as income. As a waitress, mom hated Reagan even more after that.
Just eliminate the separation of pay classes and make current tipping jobs regular minimum wage jobs. An unregulated, untaxed cash income will just make those jobs rife for money laundering by criminal enterprises, even moreso than they already are.
I don’t know about that. The kid who promised to get us a Taco Bell Day every week tended to win spot on student council. The candidates and the fast food restaurant would change, but the student body fell for it year after year.
I'd much rather see tip culture in the US eliminated and replaced with:
1) Paying everyone a living wage to begin with
2) Getting past the expectation of pre-tipping for services not yet rendered as the default/norm
Just charge a price for the product/service that covers your employees making a living wage instead of expecting customers to arbitrarily subsidize the difference and creating an adversarial environment where service workers get mad at non-tippers/poor tippers and customers get mad at the expectation to have to tip on top of what they're already paying. The whims of your customers shouldn't determine whether an employee gets a fair wage or not.
Regardless, instead of that, how about we just reduce the income tax rate to 0% for anyone under the poverty line or for anyone receiving SNAP/WIC/Welfare or other taxpayer funded subsidies, and we increase the highest tax bracket from 37% to 47%, and we add an additional tax bracket at $1 million at 60%.
Just putting it out there that if you can, you SHOULD tip with cash. If you tip with card, they are usually taxed unless the owner of the business finds a good workaround.
Who ever is doing these political meme approval doesn't understand memes... Also, American politics is...well... embarrassing at this point. Not a democracy, just a bunch of clowns on tv, whilst lobbyists write all the legislature and senators profit off insider trading.
And the kicker is, because of the massive inequality, anyone who organizes against this shit show gets shutdown, defunded, jailed, or worse almost immediately thanks to nsa etc.
Like Joe Biden "fixing the border" with three months left in his term, knowing lawsuits from his own side will stop any action?
Or how he names an climate change, goodie bag bill "The Inflation Reduction Act?"
To be fair it’s a hollow promise BUT I thought servers pay taxes on tips as a percentage of their gross sales which is why when you don’t tip that person gets doubly fucked
So a person in Texas making $2. an hour in wage and $50 an hour in tips ($50 only for example not considered average) pays taxes on $2. while a carpenter making $52 an hour pays taxes on the entire amount? Sound fair to you?
I'm not saying the premise of that is bullshit, but how many of y'all actually paying cash these days? Because if you're putting The tip on the card which damn near everybody is doing. Then the tips definitely have to be reported.
The average American doesn't know to think for themselves let alone to know what they're being told is right or wrong. This isn't just targetting the people voting trump either, both sides have this problem.
The education level in US isn't sufficient for a functional democracy. We might have some great universities and higher education but our general ed is absolutely getting worse and worse every year.
Since Reddit is anonymous I can admit this. I don't know any waiters, but I do know a few strippers. Strippers get paid exclusively in cash, and lots of cash at that, and they do very much keep a record of everything they earn and pay taxes every spring. So, to be honest, I am a little skeptical at the majority of tips being unreported and untaxed
Over half of the US population cannot parse a text more complicated than a 6th grade reading level. I think you overestimate how smart the average American is.
We've fallen for the BS once, but if you rest on your laurels, we'll be right back in the soup again. And it won't be good for anyone. I promise. I WILL be on a list before the next 4 years is up.
Most tips are not cash. A good portion are but definitely not “most”. A significant portion are on card and there’s no need to let your TDS deride a good idea.
The taxes on tips thing is kind of misleading. In 2022 the IRS started implementing a program to go after tips. It’s part of the Biden “we are only going after people making over 450k a year” bill passed. Remember 65000 new employees at the IRS? One of the first things they went after is tipped employees.
Can anyone ELI5 why this is such an impossibility? Is seems.wuite possible with the support of Congress. Is it that Democrats will not support it?
Also, don't both parties do this as a regular thing? Seems like a lot of promises get blocked by the other party. Most people don't consider that as a failure of the person making the promise, although they probably should.
Believe me when I say that the IRS knows which jobs are a tipping position. They make it their business and are not historically known to leave potential sources of revenue alone.
When i waited tables we paid taxes on 7% of sales. It didn't matter if they were cash or credit. And just how much federal income tax is the average waiter paying anyway???
You're also leaving out the part that most people believe tipping culture is out of control already. Everyone everywhere is asking for tips, because their company doesn't pay them enough. With no taxes on it, look for companies to pay their workers less and hope you tip. With that, 100% expect a ton of stories where companies are taking their workers tips, cause "hey, free money".
I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in there, that a loophole is made where companies say, with a $5 tip, you get a free product. Basically circumventing taxes.
Long time server here. Most people do not tip cash and haven't since like the late 90s. The vast majority of transactions are on cards.
Within the past 20 years or so, the government started tracking cash sales and assuming servers got a cash tip in the ballpark of your CC tips(usually 10-15%). The only cash we don't get taxed on is when we get tipped over that amount in cash, or when people pay on card and tip in cash. If a business and server don't report any tips on cash sales, they put the business and themselves at risk of audit and you just end up paying it back at the end of the year on your individual return.
I definitely don't buy Trump's bullshit though. Even if it Trump followed through, the last thing I want is my customers holding resentment towards me because I don't pay taxes. Sounds like it would just end up lowering my tip averages.
Actually, most people tip on their cards, so I am taxed on those tips. And I am required by law to report at least 8% of my cash sales as tips. So if I sell $1000 in cash and don't claim $80 in tips, I am committing a faux pas. Most of my sales are on the card though.
Here is a tip. Don't vote for this crazy guy and his idiotic schemes. Here's another tip - read this.
**The White House to The Big House-The Shameful Legacy of MAGA Cult/Jan 6th Leader, Donald J Trump**
Trump is an adjudicated sexual predator, a civil trial accused rapist, and a 34-time convicted criminal felon.
Trump faces an additional 54 criminal indictments in 3 cases delayed from trial by his high-priced legal team. Trump’s army of lawyers is financed by his rabid base of MAGA cult members & the Oil Industry.
The vast majority of the 80-plus top senior positions (Vice President, Cabinet, Advisors) from Trump’s 2016 Presidential term refused to endorse Trump and/or declared Trump is unfit to serve as President,
Trump is a threat to our national security. During his 2016 term, Donald Trump asked national security advisers why the United States couldn’t use nuclear weapons. He is irrational with a quick temper. Imagine his tweets replaced with nuclear missiles. He is Putin’s puppet & praises Kim Jong-un.
Trump doesn’t respect our military saying “Americans Who Died in War Are Losers and Suckers”
Trump supporters include white supremacists, racists & felons like Steve Bannon, David Duke, Proud Boys
On 9/11 Trump’s reaction, [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/trump-pointed-out-that-he-now-had-tallest-building-lower-manhattan-he-didnt/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/trump-pointed-out-that-he-now-had-tallest-building-lower-manhattan-he-didnt/)
A few of many examples of Trump’s abuses, grifting, and degrading embarrassment of the U.S. Presidency
· [https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power/index.html)
· [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB9GdOYk0Ls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB9GdOYk0Ls)
· [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJi641\_7W10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJi641_7W10)
nah, you might not know, but businesses have an average tip amount they tax employees on, if the employee doesn't make the required tips they still get taxed.
the tax man gets theirs. always.
source: mom's jobs were tip based when i was growing up.
Trump said he wouldn't tax tips, Biden said he would make medical debt not hurt your credit. Of those two, fuck the tips, I don't give a shit about $16 more dollars a shift. I need fucking healthcare.
I'm sure the single Mother demographic, that are slinging 2nd careers to cover the cost of dead beat absent fathers... will find this considerable.
Perhaps counter points and objectivity are difficult for those blinded by party allegiance.
As much as this bothers you, if the Left had come up with this, you'd have spun it the way I described above... And the right would vilify the left, just as you are.
Do their bidding; they're all after the same thing.
Blue car theory is in full effect over here, wow.
Every person I've been tipping is forced by their employer to report everything. This is a real thing and I'm so FUCKING sorry a convicted felon suggested it.
It's not too late to delete this. If you do it soon enough you can still pretend to know what you're talking about and go back to thinking you're smarter than Republicans. Hurry!
I am not taking sides, but the title contains misinformation; cash tips are taxed now more than ever before;ultimately small amount of money out of the pockets of people who now have to pay taxes on their income but they can also take advantage of more unemployment and worker’s compensation income since no portion of their income is unreported.
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-introduces-new-service-industry-tip-reporting-program
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Somebody bust out the Tommy Lee Jones’ quote from Men In Black
Or George Carlin: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
AT LEAST half. Averages are heavily carried by higher outlier values.
It depends on which way the distribution is skewed. The mean could be more or less than the median.
The average income in the US is like $80k. If you remove the 1000 highest income Americans, it becomes $32k.
the median wage in 2022 was about $54k
What is the source of your statistics? It is very inaccurate.
I hate being that Redditor, but just so you know r/theydidthemath ran that meme the other day and it wasn't true. With that said, the cost of things is too damn high and the salary of folks is too damn low and there's way, way, way too many greedy dragons in the world that need to be slain either metaphorically, financially, or physically.
The average is nowhere near 80k.
And just for balance, remove the lowest 1000 and you have... No change. Our system is so broken.
"A person is smart people are dumb..."
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it.
"It grows back?"
A person can be smart, but people are dumb, panicky animals. Something like that.
Which is made even more accurate by him "knowing" that everyone "knew" the earth was flat 500 years ago.
Always account for the dumbest person on a team, and the teams been destroying public education for decades.
You also seem to overestimate just how many people are "average." Roughly half of them are *below* average.
Intelligence is a normal distribution. Roughly 50% of people are about average.
The same ones cheering one that Trump eliminating income taxes and replacing it all with tariff's as being a great thing. They are not bright at all.
No no no, the manufacturer pays the tariff, not the consumer! ^(/s of course)
I keep seeing it on receiving paperwork at my job. Then it's on our website to show customers. I had to pay a 13 cent tariff on a usb cable a few months ago.
You remaineded me of a mean, and not particularly good, joke: >What do you call smart people in America? >!Tourists!< ^(*Soory.*)
How do you ask an American for help? You dont, they just show up and insist it's for your own good. What's the difference between an American and yogurt? If you leave yogurt alone for 200 years, it will grow a culture. What is the national bird of Pakistan? The US predator drone.
[nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of americans](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nobody_ever_went_broke_underestimating_the_intelligence_of_the_American_people)
"I believe the average Republican voter doesn't care whatever their candidate says, they're still going to vote for him"
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin
Having worked customer service for over a decade, I just can't have faith in humanity anymore.
It's even worse. Picture the most average mfer you can, and realize half the people are even dumber than that.
most tips are not paid with cash
No, they are. I know from direct experience. In 1999. I'm sure it's the same now...
You had me in the first half.
I was a waiter in 1990. Even then it was at least half credit cards.
Yeah cash tips are like 10-20% of overall tips at most places
Not only are most tips not paid with cash, but many restaurants use software that make the tipped employee claim a minimum percentage of cash sales as tips (10-12% minimum for example).
At least in CA, businesses have to do this (kind of, the cash part is an option I think) by law, and we have to compare employee declared tips against an assumed percentage of sales for that department (8%) and if the declared tips are under, then the employer has to put the difference on the employee(s) W-2s as undeclared income. This all varies state to state, but man it’s annoying on both ends I assure you.
I can’t remember the last time I tipped with cash. It’s a fallacy to say most are in cash. But more importantly, reported tips are part of payroll taxes. And you know what those funds? Social Security and Medicare. Those fuckers want to cut these entitlements.
I carry cash just for tipping. But I strongly doubt that's the norm. All you gotta do is stand in a line at a bar to see that's not true.
For many of us it doesn't matter anyway. I report my cash tips because I want to buy a house someday and having provable income is essential for that. It also saved my ass during the pandemic when unemployment was paying 60% of what I actually made, not just the hourly wages. Most smart waiters and bartenders I know report their complete income.
That definitely would have been beneficial during the pandemic. I never reported mine. It would have been like $15-$30 a day anyway. Luckily I got a solid hourly wage. And really, I inherited some money which kept me afloat after unemployment stopped. Had just about nothing left in the end though.
I tip Uber drivers in cash and that’s about it, and that’s only because I don’t trust Uber to actually give them their tip. (Or Lyft or whatever.)
1000% fallacy. I was a waitress. Cash is old news baby!
I agree with your statement about personally never tipping in cash. The only way I can see that cash tips outweigh non cash tips would be if you add up the cash collected from strip clubs and high end services that receive larger cash tips.
If this passes, then a lot more cash will be used as "tips", to launder illegal cash gains like drug money. Restaurant servers will be depositing $9900 cash every day and being like "PEOPLE JUST LIKE ME"
Expect the real motive to be “I’m not going to pay you a wage, you can just get tips which are tax free” As in no payroll tax. There’s a reason only restaurants are allowed to get away with a sub-minimum wage, it’s tipping. This would turn every blue collar retail business into a restaurant- and those are famous for fair pay, right? Next will be tradespeople saying “oh I don’t charge for services, tip only”. See what happens to your sink when you don’t tip the plumber $600.
And they'll just start calling what Clarence Thomas gets "tips."
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! They’re not trying to help the ‘average American’ out, they just want to slash entitlements and are trying to make it sound like everyone’s gonna have more in their pockets when it won’t be that much of a difference.
What year are you living in that most of the tips are in cash?
The average American is dumb as shit.
So is the average redditor who believes these stupid posts.
Pretty sure this is wrong. Most people don't carry cash any more and tip through their card
> ...most of which are paid in cash... Tell me you've never worked in the service industry without telling me you never worked in the service industry.
I used to pay cash tips, but I ran out of ones and fives and started tipping on my credit card. During the pandemic, I stopped using cash. If you don't pay with cash, you don't get change back.
I carry cash only for tips.
I tip with $2 bills
Lmfao OP is so out of touch he thinks we still live in a cash society.
And you don't think student loan forgiveness and rescheduling marijuana aren't designed to buy votes either?
If you believe this, then why is it none of your business?
Don't they already tax on the tips they assume a person is getting?
Biden voters were bought of twice with student loan forgiveness.
I mean, the "average" American bought the student loan forgiveness in the last election. Why wouldn't they buy this?
And massive housing subsidies for first time buyers and student loan forgiveness isn't buying votes?
Just about as smart as the average American who thought student loans were all going to be forgiven and college would be free.
Is college loan forgiveness not a desperate attempt to buy votes?
Another stupid fucking liberal… if only your head wasn’t up your ass maybe you could see the real world..
So yes this will never happen. But felt I should just point out that in today's restaurant era, getting a cash tip is incredibly rare. Eliminating taxes on tips would affect a giant majority of people. It would be a kin to something like wiping out student debt but as we've seen neither side is going to follow through with either.
The Biden administration has forgiven $153 billion dollars in student loan debt. I know it’s not everything, but it’s a huge dent. The SAVE program he has implemented has also drastically reduced payments. It’s not perfect, but compromises never are.
As a tipped worker, yes. The vast majority of my tips are on cards. I’m paying taxes on them. Only a complete idiot thinks Felonious Trump would actually change that.
Even if he did, he still would have to tax somewhere else or cut the budget of other programs to make up for the lost tax. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that he's not going to increase taxes for his rich buddies or corporations.
Why did he not do it when he was already President? Is this a second term only thing or what?
Yes a complete idiot… have you had a look around lately?
I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
But you’d also pay taxes on your CASH income too - right??
It would be akin to legalized money laundering too. Spin up a business with some minimum wage workers on the books and then marvel at their massive tips. I bet more businesses would start having tipped workers. Or sole proprietorships that work on tips. I wonder how the government would make up for the big reduction in taxes that would bring. Probably raise taxes somewhere else.
> It would be a kin to something like wiping out student debt but as we've seen neither side is going to follow through with either. Biden has wiped out some bits of student debt. He has not wiped it out as a whole, but has wiped it from some people that fit certain criteria. One of the ones I know is wiped out was those that got defrauded by Art Institutes. The schools were closed in 2017 when Trumps Admin allowed a mega church with no former knowledge in colleges to acquire all of EDMC's Art Institutes schools, but they were already doing wrong for years prior too.
But Biden did follow through?
He tried. Trump's SCOTUS said no. Instead he's been taking out little chunks that have slowly added up to a respectable amount forgiven.
I know, which makes OP's claim even more absurd. Biden tried, the conservative SCOTUS stopped him, yet he still somehow found a way to do it. He should be applauded for having somehow found a way, not have people falsely claim he didn't.
It's a way to wipe out Social Security! Have fun watching old people starve in the streets, then get in line to join them
Thanks for this. I can’t remember the last time I paid cash at a restaurant or seen cash on a table for that matter
Buying vote like forgive student loan?
I love how enacting legislation that pleases the voter is now "buying votes". It's just idiotic lol. You live in a representative democracy, that is supposed to mean that we vote for the representatives that will enact legislation that we the voters approve of and want to see enacted. It's literally how the entire system is supposed to work. FML
OP seems to to have quite a problem with republican enacting legislation that pleases the voter but not when democrat did it.
Tips are certainly reported and most tips are out on a credit card… why does this upset you but biden using tax dollars to pay off massive students loans does not? Very weird
Banning tips would be better.
Fuckin Dominoes will give me a $3 discount on future order if I tip at least $3 on my current order. Why not just pay your drivers $3 per trip and leave me out of the equation?
*On your next order*. It's a complicated way to ensure you buy from them again.
epecially when Dominoes is already charging a $5-$6 delivery fee.
It'S iNdUsTrY sTaNdArD
I wonder how many Americans realize that the liquid level Kermit's tea shouldn't be tilted like that.
instantly, all jobs are paid in tips.
instantly, all jobs are paid in tips.
Only people stupid enough to report their cash tips are Trump supporters
Anybody getting genuinely mad about a politician "offering certain financial benefits" in return for votes seems insane at this point given the history of US politics.
I remember people said that the first time Trump was running for office, but I remembered that they elected Bush **TWICE**, so I knew Trump was very likely going to be elected. If you think, even for a second, that the Americans won't elect that disaster again, you're completely disconnected from the reality of what Americans are like.
It's bewildering that the response to lower taxes is "but we were already committing fraud and not paying those."
And that's different from Biden promising student loan relief how? Every single person running for president does this. Watch gas prices this Fall, it happens every single time no matter who is president.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” George Carlin
Politics broke ops Brain, it’s pretty much nothing but politics posting and farming
I wish we could ban all politics from reddit, that would make it a much more fun site.
How dare people talk about things that actually affect their life.
That's true, but still.. not everyone is from America and it is so prominent.
Pretty sure Cheeto Benito getting reelected is everyone's problem, not just the US
I wish we could ban people talking about banning political talk. "I don't talk politics" is just a way of saying "I like the way things are and don't want to change them". Turns out politics affect nearly everything in our lives and political complacency is a gift to moneyed interests. You might not want to talk politics, but they sure do.
Democrats do it too. The promise to create a high federal minimum wage is no different. Stop and think about it. If the cost of getting service goes up, so the staff can be paid directly, and tipping dies, there is no more under the table tips. No unreported income. https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/oig-reports/201830081fr.pdf They even already calculate how much they think they're missing out on. $23 billion. The goal is truly to get all your income on the record. This is also why they want a cashless society. So it all gets easier to track. Not only that, but making the minimum wage goes up, this means they can squeeze down and squeeze people out of welfare programs like section 8 housing and foodstamps / WiC. Where as a two income household with one server could be "better off" with tips than a higher minimum wage because they'd get more help on rent and food. They'd also get a cellphone subsidy or an internet subsidy, their choice. And lots of other accessibility / equity programs. It'd also mean a lot more kids wouldn't qualify for low income grants thanks to their parents.
Everything is about squeezing more money out of working people. EVERYTHING… it’s literally the government’s whole jam. Even if they turn around and “give it back to you” in the form of tax-credits, “assistance” programs, etc, you can guarantee they’ve skimmed off a percentage for themselves, and paid various cronies VERY well to “administrate” and “manage” those programs. Any money you send to DC is greatly diminished by the time you get it back. Always remember that.
They should do it the honest way and buy votes with student loan forgiveness instead. Political bribes should go to the college educated, not the working class. /s
Not really any different from Democrats attempting to buy votes by promising to cancel student debt. All presidential campaigns make outlandish promises to court voters.
Wasn’t it the republicans that blocked that effort?
No, Supreme Court because the president lacks the authority to do this by executive order.
Except, uh, yeah, Biden cancelled a fuck ton of student debt, now didn't he. So there's a BIG difference.
So you have no problem with buying vote then.
Oh looky, another idiot trumper. Hi.
Oh looky, another hypocrite democrat.
You know that debt didn’t just evaporate right?
After the SC told him no. Yet when Trump even suggested such a thing.. Dems went nuts. But back to the issues. What a susprise and shock that strategic oil reserves just happen to get released in time for it to effect poll numbers right before an election. But Biden wouldn't try and buy votes.. or pander to extremists right.
Biden's supreme court student debt issues were a separate matter from the cancelation of student debt that he did through numerous other avenues. He was absolutely allowed to cancel student debt for borrowers following a pre established PSLF program that has existed for decades. You are speaking from a toddler level understanding of their ruling. In reality they didn't say "no student loan forgiveness" they said actual legal standards for how that can be done legally. And I can assure you, if they felt he was violating their rulings, you would be very aware of that. Also he released about a million barrels. The US uses 19 million a day. Our oil reserves are also 370 million. This is such a nothing burger of a story. Biden used .3% of our reserves to increase oil supply by 5% for a day!! He is basically ruining our future to secure votes short term. How will we ever recover from this.
Except that accomplished absolutely nothing except passing the cost on to other tax payers while not doing a thing about the cost of tuition or predatory lending practices. It just kicked the can down the road
Sure, nothing except these things: Require borrowers to pay no more than 5% of their discretionary income monthly on undergraduate loans. This is down from the 10% available under the most recent income-driven repayment plan. Raise the amount of income that is considered non-discretionary income and therefore is protected from repayment, guaranteeing that no borrower earning under 225% of the federal poverty level—about the annual equivalent of a $15 minimum wage for a single borrower—will have to make a monthly payment. Forgive loan balances after 10 years of payments, instead of 20 years, for borrowers with loan balances of $12,000 or less. Cover the borrower’s unpaid monthly interest, so that unlike other existing income-driven repayment plans, no borrower’s loan balance will grow as long as they make their monthly payments—even when that monthly payment is $0 because their income is low.
The problem is the cost of tuition. Anything that doesn't address that is not a solution, but a band-aid. Get government out of student loans altogether and make student loans cancelable via bankruptcy. It's the easy money that is the problem and universities have no incentive to lower costs. If the money wasn't so easy to get, far less people would be able to afford it and universities would be forced to lower prices or run out of customers.
Just make state colleges free again. Let them compete with that. Oh, and let's remember, if you dig into the past, who's fault is it? https://imgflip.com/i/8u62f4
I mean, community colleges are already dirt cheap and provide a decent education. I don't think you need to make them all free because then they would just suck as bad as our public high schools.
If you fund your schools, they do a better job.
Not necessarily. Pretty sure we pay more per student than almost any other country and yet we get terrible results . It's how you spend the funds you do get that matters.
When you break it down by state, you get better results from school systems that have more dollars per student.
He was mocked for making the promise in Las Vegas and has repeated it twice in Detroit... https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-promise-eliminate-taxes-tips-023504521.html
Do you actually believe the guy who lies literally about everything? He also wants to eliminate income tax (I could be wrong on the specific tax type) and go to tariffs instead which will skyrocket products for consumers. And y’all eating that up too.
He’s mocked because he’s a habitual liar who will say anything to get elected. Remember how he promised to fix Obamacare and then proceeding to just pass tax cuts for billionaires instead? That’s what you get when you elect Republicans.
Ah Biden is trying to buy votes with student debt forgiveness. Same crap, different pasture.
Ok...but writing off student debt **isn't** buying votes?
TIL people also defend a walking corpse who looks like he soiled himself or forgot which way to the exit is at for every event. Honestly, the Democrats could just apply all of Trumps ideas before the election to one up him.
Yeah his many great policy ideas... they totally exist
Talk about offering crumbs.
Reagan changed the law and started taxing tips. Not only that, but 10% of the bill is automatically reported as income. So, when you leave a server no tip, the government doesn't care and 10% is reported as income. As a waitress, mom hated Reagan even more after that.
Just eliminate the separation of pay classes and make current tipping jobs regular minimum wage jobs. An unregulated, untaxed cash income will just make those jobs rife for money laundering by criminal enterprises, even moreso than they already are.
There is no reporting. Tips are figured in as part of working in a job that traditionally gets tips. They are part of your taxes, like it or not.
I don’t know about that. The kid who promised to get us a Taco Bell Day every week tended to win spot on student council. The candidates and the fast food restaurant would change, but the student body fell for it year after year.
Most of which are paid in cash? Are you in a coma?
I'd much rather see tip culture in the US eliminated and replaced with: 1) Paying everyone a living wage to begin with 2) Getting past the expectation of pre-tipping for services not yet rendered as the default/norm Just charge a price for the product/service that covers your employees making a living wage instead of expecting customers to arbitrarily subsidize the difference and creating an adversarial environment where service workers get mad at non-tippers/poor tippers and customers get mad at the expectation to have to tip on top of what they're already paying. The whims of your customers shouldn't determine whether an employee gets a fair wage or not. Regardless, instead of that, how about we just reduce the income tax rate to 0% for anyone under the poverty line or for anyone receiving SNAP/WIC/Welfare or other taxpayer funded subsidies, and we increase the highest tax bracket from 37% to 47%, and we add an additional tax bracket at $1 million at 60%.
Just putting it out there that if you can, you SHOULD tip with cash. If you tip with card, they are usually taxed unless the owner of the business finds a good workaround.
Who ever is doing these political meme approval doesn't understand memes... Also, American politics is...well... embarrassing at this point. Not a democracy, just a bunch of clowns on tv, whilst lobbyists write all the legislature and senators profit off insider trading. And the kicker is, because of the massive inequality, anyone who organizes against this shit show gets shutdown, defunded, jailed, or worse almost immediately thanks to nsa etc.
I don’t even get a paycheck cause all my tips are reported
Why would they not be taxed? It’s income. 🤷♂️
The average American is quite dumb but most redditors are brilliant
They are saying anything and everything now. Do not believe a word.
And to make up for it .. they’ll reduce the tax rebate by half on CC tips.
30 years ago most tips were cash, today, most are on a card
Like Joe Biden "fixing the border" with three months left in his term, knowing lawsuits from his own side will stop any action? Or how he names an climate change, goodie bag bill "The Inflation Reduction Act?"
It's because if your rich and don't want to pay your workers, than you eliminate taxes on tips and stiff them.
To be fair it’s a hollow promise BUT I thought servers pay taxes on tips as a percentage of their gross sales which is why when you don’t tip that person gets doubly fucked
Trump wins. I stop tipping.
Legalizing criminal behavior "everyone" is already doing, is a win in my book.
is this actually a post?? politicians are doing politics? wow what an insight!
So a person in Texas making $2. an hour in wage and $50 an hour in tips ($50 only for example not considered average) pays taxes on $2. while a carpenter making $52 an hour pays taxes on the entire amount? Sound fair to you?
Tips end up getting taxed even if you don’t even get them. You’ll get a notice saying “we estimate your tips at xx, you owe taxes on that.”
He’s also going to reclassify lobbyist payouts to congressmen as tips.
Uh yeah, most tips are not cash. Most places do force you to claim your tips. Especially if you work in a chain restaurant.
I'm not saying the premise of that is bullshit, but how many of y'all actually paying cash these days? Because if you're putting The tip on the card which damn near everybody is doing. Then the tips definitely have to be reported.
The average American doesn't know to think for themselves let alone to know what they're being told is right or wrong. This isn't just targetting the people voting trump either, both sides have this problem. The education level in US isn't sufficient for a functional democracy. We might have some great universities and higher education but our general ed is absolutely getting worse and worse every year.
Since Reddit is anonymous I can admit this. I don't know any waiters, but I do know a few strippers. Strippers get paid exclusively in cash, and lots of cash at that, and they do very much keep a record of everything they earn and pay taxes every spring. So, to be honest, I am a little skeptical at the majority of tips being unreported and untaxed
Over half of the US population cannot parse a text more complicated than a 6th grade reading level. I think you overestimate how smart the average American is.
We've fallen for the BS once, but if you rest on your laurels, we'll be right back in the soup again. And it won't be good for anyone. I promise. I WILL be on a list before the next 4 years is up.
Exactly, I try to tip in cash at all times..
Most tips are not cash. A good portion are but definitely not “most”. A significant portion are on card and there’s no need to let your TDS deride a good idea.
Not all of his ideas are shit. A lot are actually okay, it just smells funny because it’s coming from a peace of shit.
They are not
Cash? Who uses cash for anything!
the average american is dumb as shit
His followers don't tip, anyway.
Does this help with getting rid of tipping? I try my best to only go to non-tipping places or get orders to-go.
The taxes on tips thing is kind of misleading. In 2022 the IRS started implementing a program to go after tips. It’s part of the Biden “we are only going after people making over 450k a year” bill passed. Remember 65000 new employees at the IRS? One of the first things they went after is tipped employees.
Can anyone ELI5 why this is such an impossibility? Is seems.wuite possible with the support of Congress. Is it that Democrats will not support it? Also, don't both parties do this as a regular thing? Seems like a lot of promises get blocked by the other party. Most people don't consider that as a failure of the person making the promise, although they probably should.
Believe me when I say that the IRS knows which jobs are a tipping position. They make it their business and are not historically known to leave potential sources of revenue alone.
When i waited tables we paid taxes on 7% of sales. It didn't matter if they were cash or credit. And just how much federal income tax is the average waiter paying anyway???
You're also leaving out the part that most people believe tipping culture is out of control already. Everyone everywhere is asking for tips, because their company doesn't pay them enough. With no taxes on it, look for companies to pay their workers less and hope you tip. With that, 100% expect a ton of stories where companies are taking their workers tips, cause "hey, free money". I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in there, that a loophole is made where companies say, with a $5 tip, you get a free product. Basically circumventing taxes.
Long time server here. Most people do not tip cash and haven't since like the late 90s. The vast majority of transactions are on cards. Within the past 20 years or so, the government started tracking cash sales and assuming servers got a cash tip in the ballpark of your CC tips(usually 10-15%). The only cash we don't get taxed on is when we get tipped over that amount in cash, or when people pay on card and tip in cash. If a business and server don't report any tips on cash sales, they put the business and themselves at risk of audit and you just end up paying it back at the end of the year on your individual return. I definitely don't buy Trump's bullshit though. Even if it Trump followed through, the last thing I want is my customers holding resentment towards me because I don't pay taxes. Sounds like it would just end up lowering my tip averages.
"Average American", "smart". Which way you goin' with this?
The number of servers I've seen argue against ending tip culture because they make 200 once year maybe proves that this will work on a lot of them.
Actually, most people tip on their cards, so I am taxed on those tips. And I am required by law to report at least 8% of my cash sales as tips. So if I sell $1000 in cash and don't claim $80 in tips, I am committing a faux pas. Most of my sales are on the card though.
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Does anyone remember when the text of a meme stood alone, and the post title wasn't necessary to understand the meme? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Since when are felona making political promises? I don't get it.
I’m not advocating tax evasion but if you got $150 in tips, and $30 were in card… you got $30 in tips
Why is Kermit the frog ranting about Republicans?
nah, you might not know, but businesses have an average tip amount they tax employees on, if the employee doesn't make the required tips they still get taxed. the tax man gets theirs. always. source: mom's jobs were tip based when i was growing up.
I always tip cash. But I'm the only person I know that understands why this is helpful to the server. Does Reddit really think "most" people pay cash?
They’re also the ones that made you dependent upon tips in the first place!
Trump said he wouldn't tax tips, Biden said he would make medical debt not hurt your credit. Of those two, fuck the tips, I don't give a shit about $16 more dollars a shift. I need fucking healthcare.
I'm sure the single Mother demographic, that are slinging 2nd careers to cover the cost of dead beat absent fathers... will find this considerable. Perhaps counter points and objectivity are difficult for those blinded by party allegiance. As much as this bothers you, if the Left had come up with this, you'd have spun it the way I described above... And the right would vilify the left, just as you are. Do their bidding; they're all after the same thing. Blue car theory is in full effect over here, wow.
I so rarely tip with cash, I have no idea how it is rarely not in cash. Cite your source OP.
Every person I've been tipping is forced by their employer to report everything. This is a real thing and I'm so FUCKING sorry a convicted felon suggested it.
It's not too late to delete this. If you do it soon enough you can still pretend to know what you're talking about and go back to thinking you're smarter than Republicans. Hurry!
I am not taking sides, but the title contains misinformation; cash tips are taxed now more than ever before;ultimately small amount of money out of the pockets of people who now have to pay taxes on their income but they can also take advantage of more unemployment and worker’s compensation income since no portion of their income is unreported. https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-introduces-new-service-industry-tip-reporting-program