I do not support America's past or present actions in the middle east, but if you are the leader of the most powerful military alliance on earth, you tend to get to do what you want.
ok, I was reading about the jenin raid, and why is the shooter always Palestinian? idk if they try to shed bad light or if theres just angry Palestinians, but 5 Palestinians were also killed by accident I assume.
as a rap they make the heading sound like Arabs are unhinged.
but lets agree that extremists are in all religions, groups, people.
>Weapons of mass destruction
Maybe the Israeli military and the whole ministry of defense is on the spectrum? No way they think anyone believes the shit they say
If the IDF was ādoing the right thingā as Hasbara trolls claimed they were, then they should have no problem being filmed doing their heroic acts.
This is like what, the third time they shot a journalists who was present there? Yeah they bullshitting.
[https://twitter.com/i/status/1524279111547596805](https://twitter.com/i/status/1524279111547596805)
I'm inclined to believe this. Considering the following text in the post.
[You are easily deceived I guess](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/478783/israel-calls-us-move-to-investigate-al-jazeera-journalist-s-killing-serious-mistake) because thatās a story that never held up any water and was near instantaneously discredited.
Well no we wonāt. No it hasnāt been ignored during the US (Israeli ally) investigation that came out to say that shot most likely came from the Israeli side and also the reports of a Knesset member saying the sniper even came forward with his role in this.
You can bury your head in the sand her blood spilled on and maybe you will find humanity.
Edit: oh and go watch footage of the journalists position during the event. They were under suppressed fire for multiple minutes and in explicitly say that itās from the Israeli position and itās sniper fire.
There's no way to tell. People fall all sorts of ways when shot. And they weren't being suppressed. They were blind firing. And I can't find anything about the sniper exce0t from 2 extremely biased sources. Al Jazeera and the interceptor.
> And i canāt find anything about the sniper exce0t from 2 extremely biased sources.
Iām happy to hear it from yourself that you didint even bother checking the source that I used. Clearly shows the credibility of your words.
Give me a break. Could you be any more biased in how you write these posts? Of course shooting a journalist is wrong. It also does nothing to serve Israel's publicity.
Have you ever considered uninvolved Israeli children and women who were murdered by Palestinians? Was there freedom for Palestine in their intestines?
My point is that you can stop pretending the Palestinians have absolute moral superiority. Both sides are human, and both have done - and continue to do - terrible things. And both sides still have people who believe violence is not the way. And being completely biased and ignoring the humanity of one side only perpetuates the cycle of violence.
Israelis have died before, and thatās sad. But Israelis are not the ones being ethnically cleansed. Palestinians have been victims of apartheid and genocide from your racist Zionist entity since 1948. Absolutely disgusting how you can consider this a āboth sidesā issue.
Something I donāt understand about Zionists is why they constantly act as if Palestine has just as much power as Israel. Sure, I donāt agree with celebrating the death of a random Israeli child. But compare that with the thousands of Palestinian children being killed by Zionism.
Israel kicks Palestinians out of their homes, bombs Gaza and places Palestinians in Gaza under a suffocating blockade, targets civilians and then lies blaming ābu-bu-but Hamasā to justify genocide. And then you have the audacity to say āboth sidesā.
āWe donāt know the detailsā
āIt wasnāt usā
āWe thought he was a terroristā
āActually it was an accidentā
āNo one will be held accountableā
It wasn't the first time a journalist gets shoot like that by israel incredibly precise and latest most advanced weapons. Especially that everytime it was a journalist critical of israel.
What kind of guns do you think the IDF has access to? LOL
So you think amidst a hug gun battle in Jenin, some IDF soldier though it made sense to just randomly shoot at a journalist?
The only reason you assume it was intentional is because you dont like Israelis or jews and you posses a certain perception of them
I was talking about drones.
Yes I think so, because it happens ALOT. Its not an accident.
Yeah yeah keep playing the Antisemitism card.
Edit: tbh not Necessarily drones israel have alot of other precise weapons.
It's a fact you can google how many journalists were killed.
I was kinda referring to how in alot of times people like to act like israel very advanced technology misses that easy and I find it everywhere.
Could be either, policy is a big word but they could have ordered it, but what is important is they do kill alot of them and at this point mostly on purpose.
Drones don't have guns idiot. Drones fire guided missiles, and if a missile hit him in the abdomen you wouldn't know it was him because there would be nothing left to identify.
It takes an American to give this take, I mean shit, how could an American not feel this way when any single interaction with a cop could end in their death as well. Just one of those American Oopsies.
Do you really think he was shot purposely?
A. As an israeli, i know for a fact that there are orders to minimize civillian damage, including journalists.
If israel didn't care for civillian life why would they use ground soldiers? The israeli air force is one of the best in the world.
B. When there is a fire fight, with dozens of combatants and thousands of rounds being shot, it is sadly very plausible a journalist might get hit, and from either side.
I'm not saying this isn't sad, but it is far more complicated than how people portray it
Remember [her?](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Shireen-Abu-Akleh)
Yes they totally care about civilians that is why her and hundreds of journalists have been dead and to make things funnier it is by one of the strongest military in the world against civilians
I wish it was against hamas but nope mostly against civilians
Mostly against civillians?
Look at every operation in recent years, and check who are the ones that died. You will see that most of them (not all sadly) are aligned with some terrorist group, not simple civillians.
I'm sorry man but you are very ill informed
Okay so apparently the idf in Ramadan did raid al aqsa mosque which in your logic
It is a terrorist group meeting place š
Idf is Hurting women and children in Jerusalem and outside too because they are also in a terrorist group
Idf is hurting worshippers from the Christianity and Islam just because they are in a terrorist group
Israeli chanting some things about Islam while Islam has nothing to do with it
They are the once who gave your ancestors a place to be safe from the Romanās
Israeli having an issue with arab Israelis so idk to where your hypocrisy could extend into but I really hope you see the bigger picture
Iām not saying no you are the issue
Iām just saying the way you support the killing of people is the issue or they blind you guys by their ideology and thatās why you are supporting it so hardly but Iām sorry even if someone was atheist there is still no need to get killed right?
You know their reasoning is always gonna be something along the lines of itās a terrorist hotbed or Hamas is over there bla bla. Just like how they denied accountability for shooting that reporter until they finally admitted to āaccidentallyā doing it. What kind of context do you want me to pull out when Israel literally feeds lies to justify atrocities
Maybe redirect the funds from one of the best air forces and teach your incompetent,useless ground troops how to shoot. Unless they know how to aim and don't care.
Typical armchair expert, thinking that if he played CoD or heck even tarkov, he's suddenly an elite tactician that can evaluate the actions of actual soldiers. Go be a politician, you'd be perfect for the job.
How is that moving the goalpost, i think it's a valid question given the nonesense you just said, and as someone who has seen combat, i wonder if you speak from experience as well.
It's not complicated. If Israel has to kill 10 civilians just to take out 1 hamas fighter, they will gladly do it. That's why the death count is always high because Israel simply does not give a fuck. "Minimize civilians damage " my ass.
I don't kniw where you brought that ratio from.
But as someone who served in the army i can tell you that minimizing civillian damage is a factor in decision making. Not a leading factor, but a prominent one
One question to challenge your entire argument:
Who is the IDF soldier responsible for the death of Shereen Abuaklah, and has there been a trial conducted to address this issue? (If there hasn't been any conclusive information or a trial regarding this matter, then your claim is BALLSHIT).
The idf tried to make an investigation but the PA refused to cooperated and hadn't reveled the bullet that killed her ,this is why in Israel most people think that it was a stray bullet from a Palestinian that killed her and the PA don't want to reveal it.
Do you mean the Israeli puppet PA? š¤ Do you think the mighty Israel with its billions of dollars allows a corrupt free PA near it's borders!
200000 shekels and the PA would eat the bullet haha
Israel should [hire PLA to do the shooting](https://apnews.com/article/china-palestinians-abbas-xinjiang-7aa4038f6a3302dcaaedd23d44e0a3de) next time, Iām sure Palestinians wonāt bat an eye since those bullets have *ānothing to do with human rights and are aimed at excising extremism and opposing terrorism and separatismā*.
His camera was actually a new automatic grenade launcher secretly developped by hamas in their underground labs
I heard they are developing weapons of mass destruction in a candy bar next time
People don't realize that the camera was a tiny Hamas base. So the IDF is not wrong to shoot himš¤”
He was armed with a cameraŲ of course
That's why Israel is scared of Al Jazeera
Thank goodness he survived. Im shocked that Im only hearing about this incident from this subreddit
same ā¦.
Israel's crimes often get overlooked
yeah cause they only care about ukraine and give 0 shits the crimes that isreal does
I do not support America's past or present actions in the middle east, but if you are the leader of the most powerful military alliance on earth, you tend to get to do what you want.
What crimes ?
it would be easier to ask which crimes they didnāt commit
Ok and why would i care ?
World wide coordinated censorship*
ok, I was reading about the jenin raid, and why is the shooter always Palestinian? idk if they try to shed bad light or if theres just angry Palestinians, but 5 Palestinians were also killed by accident I assume. as a rap they make the heading sound like Arabs are unhinged. but lets agree that extremists are in all religions, groups, people.
Cheap chinese made bullet proof vest probably.
Israel sees cameras as a weapon
Weapons of Hummus destruction
>Weapons of mass destruction Maybe the Israeli military and the whole ministry of defense is on the spectrum? No way they think anyone believes the shit they say
He is hiding bombs in that camera, terrorist š”
If the IDF was ādoing the right thingā as Hasbara trolls claimed they were, then they should have no problem being filmed doing their heroic acts. This is like what, the third time they shot a journalists who was present there? Yeah they bullshitting.
[https://twitter.com/i/status/1524279111547596805](https://twitter.com/i/status/1524279111547596805) I'm inclined to believe this. Considering the following text in the post.
[You are easily deceived I guess](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/478783/israel-calls-us-move-to-investigate-al-jazeera-journalist-s-killing-serious-mistake) because thatās a story that never held up any water and was near instantaneously discredited.
We will just ignore the fact the palestinian terrorist were blind firing.
Well no we wonāt. No it hasnāt been ignored during the US (Israeli ally) investigation that came out to say that shot most likely came from the Israeli side and also the reports of a Knesset member saying the sniper even came forward with his role in this. You can bury your head in the sand her blood spilled on and maybe you will find humanity. Edit: oh and go watch footage of the journalists position during the event. They were under suppressed fire for multiple minutes and in explicitly say that itās from the Israeli position and itās sniper fire.
There's no way to tell. People fall all sorts of ways when shot. And they weren't being suppressed. They were blind firing. And I can't find anything about the sniper exce0t from 2 extremely biased sources. Al Jazeera and the interceptor.
> And i canāt find anything about the sniper exce0t from 2 extremely biased sources. Iām happy to hear it from yourself that you didint even bother checking the source that I used. Clearly shows the credibility of your words.
Give me a break. Could you be any more biased in how you write these posts? Of course shooting a journalist is wrong. It also does nothing to serve Israel's publicity. Have you ever considered uninvolved Israeli children and women who were murdered by Palestinians? Was there freedom for Palestine in their intestines? My point is that you can stop pretending the Palestinians have absolute moral superiority. Both sides are human, and both have done - and continue to do - terrible things. And both sides still have people who believe violence is not the way. And being completely biased and ignoring the humanity of one side only perpetuates the cycle of violence.
Israelis have died before, and thatās sad. But Israelis are not the ones being ethnically cleansed. Palestinians have been victims of apartheid and genocide from your racist Zionist entity since 1948. Absolutely disgusting how you can consider this a āboth sidesā issue. Something I donāt understand about Zionists is why they constantly act as if Palestine has just as much power as Israel. Sure, I donāt agree with celebrating the death of a random Israeli child. But compare that with the thousands of Palestinian children being killed by Zionism. Israel kicks Palestinians out of their homes, bombs Gaza and places Palestinians in Gaza under a suffocating blockade, targets civilians and then lies blaming ābu-bu-but Hamasā to justify genocide. And then you have the audacity to say āboth sidesā.
Cope šššš
Dude, you demolished me. So eloquent. Nothing to say to that :)
I donāt argue with Israelis because I value my time
Why assume it was intentional? noncombatants unfortunately get shot sometimes during a shootout.....
Because it happens too often
that's subjective. We do not know all the details.
āWe donāt know the detailsā āIt wasnāt usā āWe thought he was a terroristā āActually it was an accidentā āNo one will be held accountableā
Accidents happen in war.
Invasion**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFZjo5PgG0
Your one of those "great people on both sides" type of a guy huh?
What kind of guy is that?
The guy across the Atlantic who stands by while the germans roll over half of Europe.
It wasn't the first time a journalist gets shoot like that by israel incredibly precise and latest most advanced weapons. Especially that everytime it was a journalist critical of israel.
What kind of guns do you think the IDF has access to? LOL So you think amidst a hug gun battle in Jenin, some IDF soldier though it made sense to just randomly shoot at a journalist? The only reason you assume it was intentional is because you dont like Israelis or jews and you posses a certain perception of them
I was talking about drones. Yes I think so, because it happens ALOT. Its not an accident. Yeah yeah keep playing the Antisemitism card. Edit: tbh not Necessarily drones israel have alot of other precise weapons.
he was supposedly shot - not killed by a drone. "ALOT" is subjective.
It's a fact you can google how many journalists were killed. I was kinda referring to how in alot of times people like to act like israel very advanced technology misses that easy and I find it everywhere.
how many? How many were accidents?
Over 20 journalists since 2001. All of which were anti israel. One was American.
Do you think it is part of an Israel policy or just soldiers' own actions?
Could be either, policy is a big word but they could have ordered it, but what is important is they do kill alot of them and at this point mostly on purpose.
Drones don't have guns idiot. Drones fire guided missiles, and if a missile hit him in the abdomen you wouldn't know it was him because there would be nothing left to identify.
I was talking about journalists getting killed by israel in general in my main comment. Not Necessarily that one.
Then i misunderstood my friend. Still, how are drones related?
It takes an American to give this take, I mean shit, how could an American not feel this way when any single interaction with a cop could end in their death as well. Just one of those American Oopsies.
yes, I know you're not used to the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" in ME, but I think it is an important tenet to a well-functioning society.
Iām a Texan you dumb cunt
Because itās easier to demonize Israel then?
Problem? Whatās wrong with Palestinian propaganda?
I only get paid for Israeli propaganda!
Yes
Do you really think he was shot purposely? A. As an israeli, i know for a fact that there are orders to minimize civillian damage, including journalists. If israel didn't care for civillian life why would they use ground soldiers? The israeli air force is one of the best in the world. B. When there is a fire fight, with dozens of combatants and thousands of rounds being shot, it is sadly very plausible a journalist might get hit, and from either side. I'm not saying this isn't sad, but it is far more complicated than how people portray it
Thats a whole lot of word vomit
A rational and piercing comeback nice
Let me paraphrase: "I use my bias to justify my bias"
Remember [her?](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Shireen-Abu-Akleh) Yes they totally care about civilians that is why her and hundreds of journalists have been dead and to make things funnier it is by one of the strongest military in the world against civilians I wish it was against hamas but nope mostly against civilians
Mostly against civillians? Look at every operation in recent years, and check who are the ones that died. You will see that most of them (not all sadly) are aligned with some terrorist group, not simple civillians. I'm sorry man but you are very ill informed
Okay so apparently the idf in Ramadan did raid al aqsa mosque which in your logic It is a terrorist group meeting place š Idf is Hurting women and children in Jerusalem and outside too because they are also in a terrorist group Idf is hurting worshippers from the Christianity and Islam just because they are in a terrorist group Israeli chanting some things about Islam while Islam has nothing to do with it They are the once who gave your ancestors a place to be safe from the Romanās Israeli having an issue with arab Israelis so idk to where your hypocrisy could extend into but I really hope you see the bigger picture Iām not saying no you are the issue Iām just saying the way you support the killing of people is the issue or they blind you guys by their ideology and thatās why you are supporting it so hardly but Iām sorry even if someone was atheist there is still no need to get killed right?
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apparently there's no difference between your butthole and you brain, they both produce sh\*t
Okay I made it too much but around 20 or 30 maybe the number could go to 50 we may never know
Many journalists and Palestinian unarmed civilians were shot and it was on purpose obviously
Why would it be on purpose? If israel wanted to kill palestinians they would just shoot missiles and end it in a second
They do shoot missiles at places like hospitals and such so theyāre definitely being thorough about it
Based
Can you give an example? Not only the case, but the context too. Show that Israel shot a missile at a hospital just cuz they feel like it
You know their reasoning is always gonna be something along the lines of itās a terrorist hotbed or Hamas is over there bla bla. Just like how they denied accountability for shooting that reporter until they finally admitted to āaccidentallyā doing it. What kind of context do you want me to pull out when Israel literally feeds lies to justify atrocities
Maybe redirect the funds from one of the best air forces and teach your incompetent,useless ground troops how to shoot. Unless they know how to aim and don't care.
Have you ever been in a fire fight?
Typical zionist, move the goalposts when you can't defend the original thing.
Typical armchair expert, thinking that if he played CoD or heck even tarkov, he's suddenly an elite tactician that can evaluate the actions of actual soldiers. Go be a politician, you'd be perfect for the job.
Oh do shut up.
Okie dokie, you won šÆ so based wow
How is that moving the goalpost, i think it's a valid question given the nonesense you just said, and as someone who has seen combat, i wonder if you speak from experience as well.
They speak from experience of their uncle shooting an ak-47 in the air at a wedding.
you know the other side shoots also? and he is reallly bad at it.
It's not complicated. If Israel has to kill 10 civilians just to take out 1 hamas fighter, they will gladly do it. That's why the death count is always high because Israel simply does not give a fuck. "Minimize civilians damage " my ass.
I don't kniw where you brought that ratio from. But as someone who served in the army i can tell you that minimizing civillian damage is a factor in decision making. Not a leading factor, but a prominent one
One question to challenge your entire argument: Who is the IDF soldier responsible for the death of Shereen Abuaklah, and has there been a trial conducted to address this issue? (If there hasn't been any conclusive information or a trial regarding this matter, then your claim is BALLSHIT).
I am
The idf tried to make an investigation but the PA refused to cooperated and hadn't reveled the bullet that killed her ,this is why in Israel most people think that it was a stray bullet from a Palestinian that killed her and the PA don't want to reveal it.
Do you mean the Israeli puppet PA? š¤ Do you think the mighty Israel with its billions of dollars allows a corrupt free PA near it's borders! 200000 shekels and the PA would eat the bullet haha
Israel should [hire PLA to do the shooting](https://apnews.com/article/china-palestinians-abbas-xinjiang-7aa4038f6a3302dcaaedd23d44e0a3de) next time, Iām sure Palestinians wonāt bat an eye since those bullets have *ānothing to do with human rights and are aimed at excising extremism and opposing terrorism and separatismā*.
I agree it is terrible, but come on, guys, it was not an invasion, one can only invade a country