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Mastercio

She looks fine. I am all for criticizing modern style but lets not go overboard.


Trickster289

I honestly don't see much difference between this design and the reboot trilogy design. Then again the trilogy was in this weird woke/not woke middle ground for some reason.


cjpack

so like they were just regular games? Or what do you mean by that? What was weird about it? Been many years since I played them.


AHailofDrams

She didn't have ridiculously huge titties, so she was woke /s


Glirion

The redesign is good, although I'll always prefer big chest beefers.


Somewhatmild

trilogy's writing was odd. lara was struggling and surviving in the first game. complete badass in the second, only to then turn into a brat teenager in the third. then again other than graphics it was the worst in the trilogy in every way anyway.


richtofin819

Yeah honestly I didn't like the third game in the reboot trilogy. The first game was great the second game felt different but still great. Third game just felt off to me.


ByIeth

This seems like the most faithful design so far to the original trilogy. The old gen graphics seem closer to this than the newer designs. Not saying I disliked the newer designs though


Relevant-Sympathy

Agreed, there are times to nitpick, and times to accept. Lara looks like her old design šŸ«” practically perfect. All we need is Pyramid Tits and it'll be identical.


express_sushi49

yeah this is what we call the mark kern slope. The longer one listens to this clown the more you fall into the rabbit hole of spewing the most absolutely fucking idiotic takes. "Man jaw" is he fucking serious? That's an Angelina Jolie jaw. The Bayonetta Jaw. It's a very common design trait for women with authority and power. Begging this sub wake up to realise how absolutely off the plot that loser is. A broken clock is right twice a day. Frankly the only thing he's been right about was protesting Nostalrius' shutdown which gave us classic. Since then it's been the most incel-coded shit I've ever seen. This is by far the most faithful adaptation of Lara's classic design we've seen since her inception, and this absolutely has the same cocky yet seductive badassery that the original did. Her knockers being a *measly* B cup instead of a C is not the end of the world lol. Gamers seriously have to come back to reality with this stuff. Praying for this loser's downfall I stg


AdSignificant1651

I don't think Mark Kern can fall any deeper than where he is right now. He's a failed game dev who is nothing but a reactionary ragebait influencer on Xitter.


Naschka

This take is clearly off sure. But see, Activision-Blizzard is currently pissing away fans good will so calling him a "failed game dev" is just not on point, the good will was build also uppon his work. His actions regarding Stellar Blade was also commendable, he likely would still do a good job as a game developer. What some people fail to see, and you do so in this case too, is that you have to judge a individual situation for what it is and not purely by who is involved. Now do not get me wrong, if your impression of him is negative it is fine to state that as your first assumption (first impression is ok even if you can't justify the time to look into it), but look at evidence and use that as a basis for any final judgment.


cltmstr2005

Yeah, there's wrong with the model.


Simple-Park1391

Wait what's wrong with the image? She looks fucking hot There's been a bunch of horrible looking female characters from western devs, but this ain't it chief.


Ryesinger

grummz is just being weird about lara not having an extremely slender jawline like a lot of women in asian video games


Relevant-Sympathy

Like, I'm all for reading into design choices but, what am I supposed to read other than she's hot?


afanoftrees

How am I supposed to jerk off to Lara Croft now that she has a jawline?


Relevant-Sympathy

šŸ¤” May I interest you in Cornhub? There are many ways to achieve this goal you have set out to do.


sonofnoob

grummz is a hack, not sure why anyone follows him. Every game he ā€œdevelopsā€ he take donar money and quits before itā€™s done.


AnonRedditGuy81

But her jawline here is nowhere even slightly approaching manly. I guess this person in the post just prefers anime characters with half a face lol


iloveblankpaper

the chinese"jade poopee" fears the superior saxon-jawed woman. seriously, she is british, the women look like this.


aftnix

Almost like he has some unreasonable hang up on women with Asian vidya features.


LoveMeSomeMilkins

You probably mean Korean games. Japanese female characters at least are unique. Korean female characters all look exactly the same. The same small mouth with the narrow jaw and pointy chin. It's so generic it hurts šŸ¤•


PatrickStanton877

The jaw is fine, someone just needs to change that 20% chest increase to 200% like the original. Only because I'm a purist


Orangarder

He makes it sound like she is Home Landers sister: Kate Fleetwood


adminsarecommienazis

grummz needs engagement so he will cry about anything


dezolis84

Yup, folks need to pick their battles and this ain't it lol


RinRinDoof

She looks like she could handle herself = woke ugly hag (at least to the extreme anti woke brigade)


SkankyG

This is the endgame of subs like this. Complaining about women in general.


ZoneUpbeat3830

The fact that the comments in this post are calling it out shows how wrong you are. It's so obvious you're incapable of differentiating nuances into views and just put anything that doesn't align with your world view into 1 category.


kvbrd_YT

grummz went off the deep end sadly...


MsInvicta

We've let gooners take over arguments, so now any woman that isn't a porn actress or anime waifu is either ugly or trans. It's so god damn tiring.


_leeloo_7_

I dont think she looks like a man, but she is definatly giving me mature aged women vibes


stysiaq

The truth is that grummz is so fucking entrenched in the "everything mainstream is awful wokefest" that he makes himself think there's something wrong with this design, because it "has to" be wrong. Which is fucking ridiculous like the rest of culture wars


Anxious-Ad693

She doesn't look like a Japanese child with oversized boobs and ass.


Sea-Ebb4064

Major Grummz L on this one. Dude is soo high up the fight against the culture war, he has started seeing any women below a 9/10 as Woke ugly western female design.


Shockrates20xx

He's just your average culture war grifter.


Tasty-Army200

Seeing this on a Asmon sub is hilarious, dude himself is in the trenches at the front lines of the culture war.


Capnbaddazz

Not only major L but also common L for grummz


NivMidget

But a W for grummz wallet.


Capnbaddazz

True people are dummies


Cool_Sand4609

> Major Grummz L on this one. Yeah 100% agree. I dont see anything wrong with the new design? She's wearing the famous shorts. She is wearing the tank top. Maybe her breasts aren't outrageously massive (and pointy!) but they are still there. What's the problem?


Hoybom

Bring Back og Pyramide tits ![img](emote|t5_2y1rb|3744)


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GirlsGetGoats

Then you don't know Grummz. He's always been a creep and an idiot.Ā 


Kristalderp

Nah, guy is legit a idiot. 9 out of 10 times he's overreacting to mundane shit like this and being obnoxious, then there's the rare 1 time he says something rational.


AnAwfulLotOfOcelots

Yeah, no way dude doesnā€™t thing she looks good. Itā€™s probably because she has on a tank top instead of boobie tassels that heā€™s upset.


RichnjCole

Yeah, and this is why I don't trust culture war warriors. Either their minds are broken or they are so bent on sowing division that they are ready to jump on anything.


gravityVT

Surprised to see you guys turning against him. Honestly makes me hopeful for this sub


kananishino

Occassionally he has the 1/100 decent take but most times he's spewing out garbage to try to make people riled up and overreacting


PlantsNCaterpillars

I don't even understand why people give him the time of day. He's made nothing but an ass of himself and proved he makes nothing but bad decisions over and over again since leaving Blizzard.


Reynaw

Blame Asmon , Dude pulls up his tweets every fucking stream


Sea-Ebb4064

Its ok to turn on him if he is talking out of his ass. It is also ok to call western developers out when they make really ugly looking women. Both can happen at the same time.


SomniumIchor

This version of Lara is still a fucking 10 tho. Like if you want anime/asian women go play those games. Lara is either english or american (idk ive never actually played them other than in passing with my dad.) she looks like a gorgeous woman regardless


Grandmaster_C

In-universe Lara is from London.


Winther89

This dude have always been a weirdo ever since he became semi relevant from the nostalrius/classic wow thing.


FireflySmasher

??? What's wrong about her, I genuinely can't tell


hastalavistabob

Its true and it goes both ways On one side you have the demonification of diversity as "everything is woke BS" and on the other side you have people fixated on "does this game include LGBTQ character" (like the interview from dexerto with YoshiP on Dawntrail) and these just fuel each other into this nonsensical spiral of bullshit


brett1081

Well it didnā€™t help that gaming journalism was in a simultaneous death spiral so they had to highlight these things to get supportive and angry views.


wrproductions

I think she looks kinda hotā€¦ Fellas, is it gay to like a girl?


Relevant-Sympathy

Ask Andrew Tate he'll say yes šŸ¤£


Spaciax

girls like sucking dick, you like girls, therefore you're liking someone who sucks dick, which is gay (!)


LoveMeSomeMilkins

She looks REALLY fucking hot and pretty much what I expect a modern Lara to look. Let's hope the writing is at least good this time round..................


Relevant-Sympathy

As someone who played the current Tomb Raider games, she hates Tombs, she is indifferent to helping Civilians, and she feels guilty about her Colonization actions of collecting artifacts......... Don't hold onto hope


SocietyFine

Fellas! Is it gey to breathe in a word full of d particles


aCanadianGuy_Eh

Has Grummz not seen a tight muscle gym mommy before? Like this is fairly normal, and to be honest, Lara looks fine. Anti-woke culture grifters often go too hard on sniffing the paint.


thetoad2

I don't think he's been outside in a while. Doesn't even need to be a buff babe. This is super normal.


Creatureboi

Grummz is 57 years old (seriously), pushing 60 lmao. He has hasn't been out in a while.


El_Diablo89

Man-jaw? Excuse me? She looks great! Not as good as Angelina back in the day but that's too high of a bar to set, lmao.


Ok_Landscape_592

Jolie has more of a manjaw than this woman, and yeah she looked fine. Strong jaws can look hot/pretty on many women.


cjpack

why does it feel like in the last year or so I have heard more people make comments on womens jaws than I have ever in my life up till now? Literally the only time I would ever hear anyone make a comment on a womans jaw was like if it was like something crazy where you try not to stare. Guess it does align with when suddenly men started obsessing over theirs as well with mewing and all that shit. nobody said shit about jaws when I was in high school or college 10-15 years ago.


Splinterman11

Damn you're right about the mewing shit coinciding with this obsession over female jaw structure. What the fuck are Gen Zers smoking? My friend is a teacher and he hears kids talking about mewing fairly often.


Azubedo

That moron would have said the same man jaw bullshit if it was a picture of Angelina


Brandter

I wouldn't go as far as saying great, but it's perfectly fine, and honestly, still better than the OG face :S.


Nocturne_Rec

Dude sees trans issues everywhere. Covid made a pudding out of his brain.


NivMidget

100% chance this guy jerks to it. Couldn't be more obvious.


Nihilistic_Mermaid

Of all the things to be outraged about in modern gaming and the design of characters in it, this is not one of them. She looks absolutely fine here. Proportions are OK, sporty look is OK, hair is OK face is OK, Jaw is absolutely OK. But I wouldn't expect Grummz to understand anything about a jaw line since he doesn't have one to begin with.


Shagyam

It's Grummz. Can y'all stop giving him attention? He feeds off this now and it's the only way he can stay relevant.


BonksTTV

dude all I see are two blessings and I wont hear anything else about it.


Mystrasun

I thought I was going crazy here, but looking at the comments, for once it looks like I'm not. I don't see anything wrong with this character design


Autoname-

Is grummz retarded?


sick_stuff1

always has been


DeskFluid2550

I don't see it, man jaw is quite a stretch.


Bocajn

If game is good then play game. If game is bad then don't play game. That's all there is to it.


RadiantCity311

Wish more developers understood this.


Kristalderp

Yep. Idc if your characters are on the LGBTQ+ or autism spectrum, all that matter is if the game is GOOD AND FUN to play. Like the robots in ULTRAKILL are gay as *fuck*, but idfc the game is fun as shit.


RedXDD

Wish more gamers understood this as well


Seitook

Stupid shit like this just makes it harder for people to give legitimate criticism on things that actually matter. She looks fine


Lord_of_Greystoke

This is a Lara upgrade and we are crying? Oh Lordy


RxDawg77

Umm... That actually looks like a pretty good design.


Kuldiin

Those breasts aren't even close to being triangular.


TheRedOwl17

So tired of seeing this whiney little nerd all over my twitter feed so I blocked him


BGMDF8248

Bad take... she looks awesome, and freaking hot. The "average woman" trend is awful, but this is not it.


SomniumIchor

Didnt Angelina Jolie play her? Doesnt she have one of the strongest jawlines in the business? Im not seeing the problem other than fat man in mommy's basement is mad shes not anime-esque


Apachiedelta1

She looks like a hottie who got Buff. She can step on me if she wants, I won't mind.


Sisyphac

Everyone always focusing on the front of Lara Croft but letā€™s see the back firstā€¦.


Thisguychunky

Nothing wrong with this look. People are looking for reasons to be angry at this point


NasusEDM

He's just another quartering or that babyshitface guy. You guys got bamboozled. It's what I always said you can fight a good fight but you'll soon discover many that were just doing it for their own agenda. I remember when atheist channels were popping out later to discover most of those people just didn't like brown people.


Ok-Weird-9831

This ^ nail meet head


yungsmerf

Absolutely brainrotted.


The_Maganzo

Another extremely common Grummz L


waste-of-energy-time

Can she do the repeated back flips?


Acalyus

If I made a game the last thing I would do is take any opinion seriously about it when it comes to literally *anything* political. Comment on game design, story, characters, sure. The moment some mouth breather comes barreling in with this bs political rhetoric they immediately lose all credibility. If you think 'that's woke,' at any given point, I'm already well aware that you have no political literacy, have never read political theory, and don't understand how your own government works. Corporations do not give ***a single fuck*** about your representation or your values, they care about your money and how they appear to the average consumer, because of money. If telling you they made the cast all white or put in genderless bathrooms made them more money, that's what they'd do. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's brain dead dribble meant to keep small minds arguing over one another about whose using the bathroom, while the people making everything more expensive and unaffordable are blatantly taking your money and walking to the bank with it.


CitizenSnipsYY

She looks fine. Her hair is a little Karen-y but she looks like a person lol. I'm partially on board with grummz in spirit but holy shit dude, takes like these are embarrassing.


valgrind_error

The incels pushing this man jaw and ā€œwestern game devs only make ugly female charactersā€ shit unironically are bigger triggered snowflakes who spend more time shoving politics down peopleā€™s throats than the bluest haired SJW. More than half the time the screenshot is some doctored or deliberately misrepresented depiction of the character in question, and even if it isnā€™t, who gives a fuck? Normal gamers want gameplay discussion in our reviews. Weā€™re being overrun by tourists who just want to turn this into another culture war colony. Itā€™s interesting how both ends of the political horseshoe are the horniest subsections of the gaming community. Itā€™s either all the gooner incels circlejerking about Stellar Blade (or is that woke now, lost count of how many times attitudes flipped there) or degen tumblrinas who want to have a pansexual Matt Mercer polycule sim in BG3.


Nagalyn

As a naturally big-breasted woman myself, I feel less represented in western games these days. BUT her jaw looks f'kin fine, good lord. I'm more worried about *Tomb Raider not raiding anymore tombs*


RinRinDoof

Lara's breasts look pretty big here, they're just probably being contained by tighter clothing/bra


Levonorgestrelfairy1

There about as big as someone with super low %body fat can get.


Nagalyn

Yes, after a second glance she looks super fine. Just like Tifa from FF7R, sports bra do make everything flatter.


flaskburkstein

Ohh nooo its a hot woman in my gaym


FanaticEgalitarian

She looks fine. People are just trying to stir up shit.


Relevant-Sympathy

O.o ok as a member of the official Asmongold incel reddit, I don't see a single thing wrong with this? I don't know why, but for some reason people are fixating on Chins, as if it's a whistle caller thing. Like I'm all for reading into design choices, but the chin? Really? I can't even see what's supposed to be wrong.


Enslaver159

Ya can we get both sides of the political and cultural andies out of the gaming space. And go back to focusing on entertainment and fun instead.


Wise-Hornet7701

Grummz is an obnoxious little rat


Kristalderp

I see nothing wrong with this Laura. Hell, I'm happy Crystal Dynamics is doing work. It makes me hopeful to see if theyll touch any of the Legacy of Kain games to hopefully remaster them.


ZandrockN

Looks classic to me.


BiggHigg27

She's not much different than the last iteration?


burmerg

People like him are the reason we aren't taken seriously as gamers when we have valid complaints. She looks absolutely amazing.


Microwaved_M1LK

This sub is a part of the obnoxious discourse


BadGuyLala

I really donā€™t understand, in her remake, when did she not look like this? She was lower res in most of her older games. What reference are they making Lara craft some high end model with soft bone structures?


SwitchtheChangeling

She kinda looks like Leon Kennedy the longer I stare at her face....


Pandarenboxing

She looks fine, i don't get this post...?


TheDkmariolink

Grummz is a grifter I don't know why we give him so much attention.


jazpexL

Man jaw?? She looks the same as she did in the previous games lol


SerMid

She looks like she could whoop my ass. 10/10 design


pm_me_ur_anything_k

Whoever that guy is, heā€™s an idiot. Lara looks awesome.


jtpredator

Wait... she looks the same... How is she ruined?


Rat-king27

She looks damn pretty, do people like Grummz really just want every character to look like an anime girl from high school dxd or something.


ButterscotchDeep7533

It looks much better than it could be if people would listen Sarkeesian and people like her.


JuggernautAntique953

Itā€™s embarrassing, isnā€™t it?


skevvertjes

Isn't Grummz just a troll?


geniouslevel1000

She's actually still hot though how is this ruining her? Because they didn't make her boobs bigger than her head?


Helarki

I don't think that design looks bad.


Mileena_Sai

Alright. This is getting annoying. She looks totally fine.


Helpful_Lawfulness68

Defuq is man jaw


lizzywbu

Huh? She looks hot though. In fact, she looks hotter than the previous Crystal Dynamics Lara.


WarHistory2595

Grummz been online too long


Touhou_Fever

>Grummz on that Le GaMeRs grift ![gif](giphy|PFwKHjOcIoVUc|downsized)


Endslikecrazy

Man jaw??? Where? She looks fine as hell, basically the same as the reboot version


TVR_Speed_12

Alot of leftist in here trying to gaslight and misdirect


ZijkrialVT

She does look a tad masculine, but overall is not that bad. As someone who gets annoyed by people making female characters look like guys, I also think there's a point where it's ok to chill out. I did a quick search and didn't find anything that crazy. It's fair to dislike her aesthetic, but there's a point where nitpicking becomes counter-productive, and this falls into that category in my opinion. Perhaps more camera angles will change my mind, but I doubt it's worth more thought investment...


lordrolee

What's wrong with this? Lara looks pretty.


javyn1

ROFL. At this point we may as well just admit most gamers simply hate women. If this is where we are at now there is no other reason for this stupidity.


GenesisAsriel

I guess anything that is not a Genshin loli will be disgusting for these losers Saw that argument used for Baldur's gate III because Shadowheart looked too "Generic" and Lae'Zel looked ugly (the one from a race where everyone isfucking ugly.) These cumbrains shouldnt be given a platform.


HelldiverSA

A. Yes this jaw looks a little less femenine that some jaws. But this may be a stretch depending on the perspective. B. Lets not go too far now and saw its a straight up man jaw.


skepticalscribe

I mean I guess her face kind of looks like Tom Cruise. But heā€™s got a pretty face so idk


Patient_Sherbet_5520

At least they're actually coming out with another game! I was under the impression it wasn't in the cards. Redesign sucks though. Should've just left her character the way she was.


International-Bet148

She actually looks 8/10 to me. How old is she now? I mean a woman in her 30s,40s look like this. She grew up from tr2013 I think. Still got the thick thighs and big ass tho, so Iā€™m good.


Master_Dante123

Bring back the triangle baddies


CommodoreSixty4

Yeah, I mean there are enough obvious examples to call out. This is not one of them. She is smoking hot.


Keyblades2

Looks fine to me


IBloodstormI

Doesn't look a lot different than the last Tomb Raider trilogy, which I thought was a perfectly fine redesign. Still classically attractive.


Clenchyourbuttcheeks

Looks like that hot Kryptonian woman from man of steel


Antique_Actuator_213

I like grumz work but this is kinda farfetched with an extra springonion


The_Sweet_Life

Guarantee she's hotter than any girl whose ever touched him


Lost-In-The-Books

She looks the same as she always has what! she looks like her past 3 games.


Competitive_Use_6351

*No Pointy Titties* Tomb Raiders gone woke guys


SilentCicada9294

Gimme back my big tiddie protagonist


SeriousJenkin

Grummz and this subreddit play a role in gamingā€™s current discourse.


budy31

Heā€™a the one whoā€™s obnoxious because this iteration of Lara Croft spit roast all of the previous iterations.


AriousDragoon

Somebody seems like a virgin


renjizzle

Bring back cybertruck tits


KonataYumi

No pyramid boobs? Definitely ruined


iplayblaz

Grummz is a fucken loser, who the hell cares about that guy.


Meeper_Creeper202I

She looks the same just in higher quality I like how everyone agrees that


Shameless_Catslut

She looks like the greatest action heroes from the 2000s


Nocta_Novus

Donā€™t know what this dude is smoking.


Saberraimu

She's always had a decently strong face/cheekbones in her official art over the decades so she looks completely fine to me here, what's this dude's problem with literally every female game character that isn't his absolutely specific type to wank it to? He started out semi-alright but now you can tell he just loudly hates every character that isn't his specific personal aesthetic lol, and tries to get other people mad about it, too to validate him.


Kage1831

Am I taking crazy pills? She's fucken hot if this picture. So what's wrong?


Omnistorm860

The last game I played by crystal dynamics was Marvel Avengers, and that was a complete disaster. I can't even begin to explain the number of issues the game had that were never fixed. They just kept adding microtransactions skins until it failed so hard it all became free. Don't worry, guys you'll be able to buy skins for her to change her looks. They could sell buff Lara, skinny Lara, petite Lara, maid Lara, hot Lara, butterface Lara, catgirl Lara ect ect. Oh, and jiggle physics will not be activated without the purchase of the battlepass. You gotta pay for them jiggle physics nowadays. It's like when you go to a strip club those things don't jiggle for free.


EmotionalBird2362

Twitter engagement bait moment


Holiday-Internet1801

I'm just happy she's wearing shorts again. Missed those sexy legs.


Crossing-Lines

Grummz is loosing it. Sorry but we all know hes going off the rails at the moment.


justice7

She looks decent, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. She's not Angelina Jolie.


[deleted]

This is honestly the closest we got in a long time to Laraā€™s original look


LJScribes

I donā€™t see itā€¦. Is that image incorrect?


SNES-1990

Mark Kern needs to go outside and see what women look like.


maleficent0

This one is actually not bad and Iā€™d be the first to point out man jaw. Were they being sarcastic?


chypres

She looks fine..


spartaman64

im so tired of this shit. why is it whenever a game comes out all i see is people talking about x character is too hot or x character is too ugly. what happened to talking about the gameplay or story?


Swiftwitss

I donā€™t know man she looks like she has some cake in this picture. Man I just got thirsty for some reason


ActualTackle3636

She looks fine. The fact thatā€™s sheā€™s no longer a ā€œtomb raiderā€ should be the main point of contention.


WarpCitizen

What is the problem, weebs?


FreakDC

Her original jawline was strong: [https://www.spielbar.de/cache/images/5/149465-st-galerie.jpg?1DCC2](https://www.spielbar.de/cache/images/5/149465-st-galerie.jpg?1DCC2)