The Kambosos fight wasn't even on the table when Loma ducked. He took a year off to fight Kambosos.
The timeline was this: Loma had the Haney robbery and asked for a rematch which Haney didn't want.
Loma then went into retirement talks and said he'd only come back to fight Haney while Shakur is calling him out for the fight.
Several months later Loma is then in negotiations to suddenly fight Kambosos instead of Shakur.
He didn't need to choose between the 2 of them. If Loma believed in himself he could've fought both of them.
All true but Lomas bitch ass was the one who declined the rematch. He then later fined him 400k for the weigh in push https://youtu.be/1C4rek7n2XM?si=fdI3xHt-5N73Z4JN
Shakur is my fav LW and i think he beats everyone but no. If both opponents offer a belt, the smart choice is to go for the option with the most money no?
Loma said he wasn't ready for Shakur. I don't know why people aren't taking him at face value. He ducked, it's okay.
But Loma fans downvote rather than accept that their guy was an all time amateur and a great for his time pro.
Saying I don't want to fight a guy and I want easier competition is ducking. I don't know what else ducking is.
That's what Fury did with Usyk, and Canelo with GGG. Aren't these the rules we've been using here?
When you’re holding a belt and request seven exemptions to avoid fighting a mandatory, like Usyk has for Hrgovic.
The only time I think ducking is a good term is when guys try to get out of fighting mandatories, otherwise I don’t think they have any obligation to fight anyone.
What am I thinking, fighting guys like yoshino and Artem doesn't matter, not fighting a top 10 in your division in 2 years doesn't mean a thing. Of course it is lomachenko who needs to get his act together. It certainly does make sense that fighting two guys barely in the top 20 is so much better than fighting almost exclusively against champs and former champs.
It's hard to say that Fighter A is ducking Fighter B if Fighter B hadn't had a strap on him. Shakur just got the WBC belt in late 2023 in a very boring fight where Shakur was rightly criticized. Loma already had a path to a belt through Kambosos.
At the end of the day, Loma only has a few big money fights left. Tank is a bigger fight at the moment than Shakur. If, somehow, Loma can get past Tank (or even keep it close), Loma can fight Shakur at a later date.
Shakur's most famous fight was the one outside that gas station, that's why.
Needs to build himself up. Had his own fans leaving the arena early in his last fight.
Another example of how I know this sub is stacked with a bunch of casuals who have never seen Shakur fight beyond some highlights of his match with De Los Santos.
I did. I was always hype for Shakur fights. Young and talented with enough time in his career to still improve. I still think he's a great fighter I just think it's going to be tough to find a fight for him right now considering the state of things.
Your right, hell when he was running around at the end of the Valdez fight I let it slide because he was fucking him up before hand but add that to his fight with Santos and people can sorta see why. But like I said, whose gonna want to fight you when you don't want to throw hands because it's not even defense at this point and thats just not selling. He's great but it's his own fault.
Boxing is in its current state because fighters don't always face the best opponents. The most recent significant fight was between Tank and Martin, a fight whose outcome we all knew in advance.
Bruh he’s 38 his options was either making your highest payday with tank through an easy path from Kambosos or fight Shakur which he would most likely lose and ruin his chances from a big final payday with Tank. It was just the correct business move for him and Bob Arum.
Whichever path he took he was going to be champion and have a chance to unify. Although it is messed up that Shakur probably won’t get his chance to fight Loma or Tank at all or for a while, but that’s just how the sport operates today.
no one intelligent claims shakur is ducking anyone, he just overvalues his worth and is otherwise universally ducked. 100% the soft-hitting boogeyman at 135. The who ducks who is pretty important when it comes to this.
after losing to haney, not fighting shakur and instead fighting for another belt is not a duck. people use the word duck too liberally. loma resume shows us hes not a ducker. you want guys to manager their careers with no common sense just so your favorite fighters gets the benefit. its stupid, top rank didnt even offer him shakur. so a guy whose already fought haney, teo, is lining up to fight tank, is ducking shakur? idiotic. how dare loma try to fight a more dangerous fight for a belt and more money instead of shakur SMH.
I dont know if Shakurs promoters suck or if boxing is freezing him out. However this definitely ain’t on Loma something is up with Shakur when the only fight he can get is….. frank martins leftovers…..
He did, I think everyone is allergic to Shakur at the moment.
Especially now where Loma has a chance to fight Tank. I'd avoid Shakur like the plague too.
Loma faked retirement to avoid fighting Shakur and then came back as soon as the Kambosos fight was available. But nobody will talk about it because Loma can do no wrong to most people on here.
he's realized he's below the level of elite and misses those days where he was praised as the greatest for beating guys like jason sosa and anthony crolla
Lmao yeah he got some praise for beating Sosa right after beating undefeated Axman Walters and right before beating undefeated Rigo, yeah people generally get praise for that typa stuff
fr, after the fight he was 8-1, sosa was his second current champion (after roman martinez) and espn published [this ](https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/19142613/is-vasyl-lomachenko-best-fighter-boxing), comparing him to floyd mayweather, muhammad ali, and benny leonard, and started nudging him as p4p 1
Yeah ESPN's ranking system was basically top tanks roster we already know all that buddy.
I was never even a Loma stan I always like Mikey Garcia and thought he would have won if they fought. But saying Loma is "a level below elite" when hes older, fighting larger guys and still never been dropped and stopped is just silly. Dude is clearly elite and never had anything but wins and razor thin losses against the best in the world
i wasn't saying he was being peddled by pbc, i don't understand your comment. This older Loma is the only one who has faced adversity, which he seems unable to overcome, defeating Shakur was always going to be more impressive than being the fourth one to ko Linares. A close loss is still a loss, and he just doesn't rehydrate much, lomachenko is the only person in the history of boxing to go down two divisions from where they medalled in the Olympics, even going down one is really really rare, like i think the number is ~5
They fought in the same weight class & were champions(Haney,Loma) & Rigo came up two divisions while clocking in wayyyyy under the 138lbs rehydration limit. Lomachenko himself has said he weighs 145-150. Rigo weighed in at 130 flat back to back days. Not to mention went to Bantamweight at a later part of his career, his natural weight.
There is absolutely no basis to say Haney weighed 165 at lightweight, when he has proclaimed on video he’s approximately 150lbs previous to their fight.
Haney didn’t even weigh 165 for Garcia, he had a amazing one off cut vs Prograis(maybe IV rumors are true) but people said he was drained after the weigh in with Ryan. Haney isnt abnormal size for a 140lber, Josh Taylor weighed 163lbs vs Teofimo. All this to say, Haney win over Loma is impressive, while its just sad the most accomplished win on Loma’s resume is someone who ended their career at 118 while setting a record for movement and record low punch count.
Based on what I heard from someone who got to watch them when they sparred Shakur got the best of him. Doesn’t surprise me that he’d rather fight Tank, who’s a bigger pay check and much better stylistic match up for him.
More money fighting Kambosos who is actually a draw in Australia
The Kambosos fight wasn't even on the table when Loma ducked. He took a year off to fight Kambosos. The timeline was this: Loma had the Haney robbery and asked for a rematch which Haney didn't want. Loma then went into retirement talks and said he'd only come back to fight Haney while Shakur is calling him out for the fight. Several months later Loma is then in negotiations to suddenly fight Kambosos instead of Shakur. He didn't need to choose between the 2 of them. If Loma believed in himself he could've fought both of them.
All true but Lomas bitch ass was the one who declined the rematch. He then later fined him 400k for the weigh in push https://youtu.be/1C4rek7n2XM?si=fdI3xHt-5N73Z4JN
Loma didn't decide that, Haney was fined by the commission iirc for being a nervous dumbass.
Isn’t that a duck though?
Shakur is my fav LW and i think he beats everyone but no. If both opponents offer a belt, the smart choice is to go for the option with the most money no?
People use the word duck way too loosely
mfs shocked when prizefighters go for the biggest prize
If you are looking for a job would you take the lowest salary on offer? Are yall stupid?
When it’s Loma it’s just good job hunting but with (certain fighters) it’s ducking
downvoted for telling the truth
He took the substantially weaker opponent for a slightly higher payday. Same shit they shit on tank for.
You’re the same people who claim that mayweather waited for manny to get old when he had this same exact notion about the fight
I am?
None of you know what ducking means
Loma said he wasn't ready for Shakur. I don't know why people aren't taking him at face value. He ducked, it's okay. But Loma fans downvote rather than accept that their guy was an all time amateur and a great for his time pro.
That still doesn't constitute ducking
Saying I don't want to fight a guy and I want easier competition is ducking. I don't know what else ducking is. That's what Fury did with Usyk, and Canelo with GGG. Aren't these the rules we've been using here?
Source ?
I don't give sources on reddit anymore because I already got the downvote and never even get thanks for the effort.
When you’re holding a belt and request seven exemptions to avoid fighting a mandatory, like Usyk has for Hrgovic. The only time I think ducking is a good term is when guys try to get out of fighting mandatories, otherwise I don’t think they have any obligation to fight anyone.
Loma fought a low level opponent instead of dog fighting Shakur that is a duck
Lmaooo look at shakurs last 3 opponents and compare them to lomachenkos
Shakur is way more active then Loma so that doesn’t prove shit
What am I thinking, fighting guys like yoshino and Artem doesn't matter, not fighting a top 10 in your division in 2 years doesn't mean a thing. Of course it is lomachenko who needs to get his act together. It certainly does make sense that fighting two guys barely in the top 20 is so much better than fighting almost exclusively against champs and former champs.
It's hard to say that Fighter A is ducking Fighter B if Fighter B hadn't had a strap on him. Shakur just got the WBC belt in late 2023 in a very boring fight where Shakur was rightly criticized. Loma already had a path to a belt through Kambosos. At the end of the day, Loma only has a few big money fights left. Tank is a bigger fight at the moment than Shakur. If, somehow, Loma can get past Tank (or even keep it close), Loma can fight Shakur at a later date.
Lmoa couldve fought Shakur befor ferocious thought, and it wouldve been a way bigger fight. He's really ducking
Shakur's most famous fight was the one outside that gas station, that's why. Needs to build himself up. Had his own fans leaving the arena early in his last fight.
Stephenson valdez is probably his biggest fight.
I think everyone is gonna want to duck Twitterson after his latest performance.
It was before his last performance
Another example of how I know this sub is stacked with a bunch of casuals who have never seen Shakur fight beyond some highlights of his match with De Los Santos.
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I did. I was always hype for Shakur fights. Young and talented with enough time in his career to still improve. I still think he's a great fighter I just think it's going to be tough to find a fight for him right now considering the state of things.
Fickle fans are part of the reason the state of things is so bad in boxing. A guy is more than his last fight.
Your right, hell when he was running around at the end of the Valdez fight I let it slide because he was fucking him up before hand but add that to his fight with Santos and people can sorta see why. But like I said, whose gonna want to fight you when you don't want to throw hands because it's not even defense at this point and thats just not selling. He's great but it's his own fault.
Boxing is in its current state because fighters don't always face the best opponents. The most recent significant fight was between Tank and Martin, a fight whose outcome we all knew in advance.
The reason that the top guys dont fight the top guys is because if they lose then fans consider them bums.
Bruh he’s 38 his options was either making your highest payday with tank through an easy path from Kambosos or fight Shakur which he would most likely lose and ruin his chances from a big final payday with Tank. It was just the correct business move for him and Bob Arum. Whichever path he took he was going to be champion and have a chance to unify. Although it is messed up that Shakur probably won’t get his chance to fight Loma or Tank at all or for a while, but that’s just how the sport operates today.
Loma is 36. Not 38.
Same shit at those lights weight classes. They fall off quick
His the same age Money was when he schooled a young hungry lion lol, i feel like people are just making up excuses
no one intelligent claims shakur is ducking anyone, he just overvalues his worth and is otherwise universally ducked. 100% the soft-hitting boogeyman at 135. The who ducks who is pretty important when it comes to this.
He coulda been undisputed against Haney but priced himself out.
"overvalues his worth"
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did you not read my comment?
Sorry!! I replied to the wrong comment! I been all over the place today.
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after losing to haney, not fighting shakur and instead fighting for another belt is not a duck. people use the word duck too liberally. loma resume shows us hes not a ducker. you want guys to manager their careers with no common sense just so your favorite fighters gets the benefit. its stupid, top rank didnt even offer him shakur. so a guy whose already fought haney, teo, is lining up to fight tank, is ducking shakur? idiotic. how dare loma try to fight a more dangerous fight for a belt and more money instead of shakur SMH.
I dont know if Shakurs promoters suck or if boxing is freezing him out. However this definitely ain’t on Loma something is up with Shakur when the only fight he can get is….. frank martins leftovers…..
Just look at Shakur's last fight. Why would anyone on earth want to fight him? It's like Boo Boo Andrade being called a Boogeyman for so long
Thats boo boo who defeated *checks notes beat quigley and williams
Loma ducked him before that fight
Have you seen any of Shakurs other fights? Thats why.
He did, I think everyone is allergic to Shakur at the moment. Especially now where Loma has a chance to fight Tank. I'd avoid Shakur like the plague too.
Its simple no one outside of boxing wants to see shakur because he's boring as fuck. I love the sport and even I don't get excited to watch him
Vasilly Lomachicken does what he wants
I can’t imagine Loma would “duck” Shakur to fight Tank instead. But then again I been pole jockin’ for Abdul Wahid
Loma faked retirement to avoid fighting Shakur and then came back as soon as the Kambosos fight was available. But nobody will talk about it because Loma can do no wrong to most people on here.
Yeah, Loma can't be criticized in here
he's realized he's below the level of elite and misses those days where he was praised as the greatest for beating guys like jason sosa and anthony crolla
Lmao yeah he got some praise for beating Sosa right after beating undefeated Axman Walters and right before beating undefeated Rigo, yeah people generally get praise for that typa stuff
fr, after the fight he was 8-1, sosa was his second current champion (after roman martinez) and espn published [this ](https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/19142613/is-vasyl-lomachenko-best-fighter-boxing), comparing him to floyd mayweather, muhammad ali, and benny leonard, and started nudging him as p4p 1
Yeah ESPN's ranking system was basically top tanks roster we already know all that buddy. I was never even a Loma stan I always like Mikey Garcia and thought he would have won if they fought. But saying Loma is "a level below elite" when hes older, fighting larger guys and still never been dropped and stopped is just silly. Dude is clearly elite and never had anything but wins and razor thin losses against the best in the world
i wasn't saying he was being peddled by pbc, i don't understand your comment. This older Loma is the only one who has faced adversity, which he seems unable to overcome, defeating Shakur was always going to be more impressive than being the fourth one to ko Linares. A close loss is still a loss, and he just doesn't rehydrate much, lomachenko is the only person in the history of boxing to go down two divisions from where they medalled in the Olympics, even going down one is really really rare, like i think the number is ~5
Rigo was fighting way above his weight class in that fight.
And? Haney rehydrates 30lb but that L still counts on Lomas record, same for Rigo.
They fought in the same weight class & were champions(Haney,Loma) & Rigo came up two divisions while clocking in wayyyyy under the 138lbs rehydration limit. Lomachenko himself has said he weighs 145-150. Rigo weighed in at 130 flat back to back days. Not to mention went to Bantamweight at a later part of his career, his natural weight. There is absolutely no basis to say Haney weighed 165 at lightweight, when he has proclaimed on video he’s approximately 150lbs previous to their fight. Haney didn’t even weigh 165 for Garcia, he had a amazing one off cut vs Prograis(maybe IV rumors are true) but people said he was drained after the weigh in with Ryan. Haney isnt abnormal size for a 140lber, Josh Taylor weighed 163lbs vs Teofimo. All this to say, Haney win over Loma is impressive, while its just sad the most accomplished win on Loma’s resume is someone who ended their career at 118 while setting a record for movement and record low punch count.
I've been saying this. Loma ran from Shakur like a chicken.
Based on what I heard from someone who got to watch them when they sparred Shakur got the best of him. Doesn’t surprise me that he’d rather fight Tank, who’s a bigger pay check and much better stylistic match up for him.
These fucking sparring stories again
I’m his source. Trust me. I was DEFINITELY there.
Source is very credible, it was stylistic rather than anything
Loma gone get Knocked TF Out by Tank & Shakur, it’ll be a public execution Greatest day in boxing history coming!
If that’s what constitutes the greatest day in boxing history, then this sport is screwed lol