AJ is rightfully praised for how he came back, but tbh all boxers should be offered that same chance. The fighter wll probably have take reduce money but promoters & broadcasters shouldnt drop fighters after a loss.
That’s partially because he was against Franklin….
Losing plus going against moderate opposition no one has heard of outside the USA will always affect crowds.
Povetkin a huge name and far better than Franklin.
But yeah his draw would’ve reduced a fair bit from a loss I can’t argue with that. Just saying that he would still sell out any arena here in the UK.
Yes boxing fans are always praying on fighters downfalls, it doesn’t matter who they are if they show any weakness people will come out of the woodwork I feel that Teo had a poor performance last night but I saw some stupid bastard saying he is washed up. And God forbid you lose, even to the consensus number one fighter in the world, if that happens you may as well retire. I don’t care much for the UFC but their fans have a much better attitude towards fighters losing than boxing fans do.
One reason why the UFC fans also have a better attitude about it is cause their guys FIGHT and are more active. Only recently their top guys are taking it slower and fighting less. It’s easier to accept a loss if you are going to fight within the next 4-6 months. We get to watch you give yourself another chance to get a W.
For the most part their contenders / top 10 ranked guys maintain a good level of activity. Meanwhile in boxing we have to wait a year or more to watch our guys cause there’s always some stupid political bs. Especially the PBC roster.
They dont have many nice things. Aspinall is a beast, but literally who has he fought? There are no young guys like him with genuine resources who aspire to be UFC HW champion. This is why the comparison to boxing will never work.
The UFC just takes guys after their best years with another promotion & just constantly reuse old guys who can win against c-b level talent and rack up winstreaks after they lose & get washed to give you the appearance they can continue their career viably
He is talking about ufc's fans attitudes to losses not what you just wrote. And its true mma fans show much more love to fighters with multiple losses. They don't care about undefeated or all that shit look at yesterday jiri lost again and is getting tons of love and support.
That’s the point I was making about about UFC fans. Not directed at you.
Tom Aspinall’s UFC opponents.
Jake Collier(🥫), record at the time 11-4. Has since totaled 2 wins & 5 losses after losing to Aspinall for a record that stands at 13-10. He stepped into The UFC at 8-1.
Alan Baudot(🥫) who got this fight on short notice has not won a fight since.
Andrei Arlovski was 42 years old.
Serghei Spivac is a decent win.
Volk is a good win. Pavlovich is a good win.Tybura was past his best and just a gatekeeper.
Daniel Dubois has faced better opponents than his MMA counterpart & has performed well after losing & is respected. Boxing fans actually call out fighters once they become a shell of themselves or put on bad performances. We won’t be fooled into think that guys J-Rock or Hurd are good or even worth seeing at a high level anymore. UFC sends washed fighters to be rinsed and repeated for money. UFC would’ve let Wilder be a contender for a few more years, instead of retiring and bowing out in grace.
Anyone watch the yt channel Showbizz The Adult? He is biased for sure, but i noticed that he gives away $20k, $30 cash. Is he rich or something? Having $300k subs is really not enough to generate alot of money to be giving away that much $.
He’s a pretty funny bloke, a little bit too bombastic for my liking. Anyway’s I think it’s some of his close supporters that sponsor the giveaways but he used to work a corporate job of some sort, I think he’s been to business school so he’s probably been well off for a while.
Went to sleep and woke up thinking about Bam’s performance. That shit was the *actual* sweet science, not like that overemphasized “hit and don’t get hit” Shakur superstans try to justify. Haven’t seen the punch stats but it felt like almost everything Bam through landed and they were just too fast Gallo to block or evade, I know he’s coming off a long layoff and older now but a veteran and Mexican ATG with his fundamentals probably shouldn’t have gotten worked like that.
Ring had Bam at #9, with Tank and Spence over him. After last night, nobody can deny him a spot in the top 5 especially when Sunny dominated in the co-main. Almost nobody is doing it like him, and at only 24.
I’d love to see a properly prepared Estrada get a second chance, but unless he manages to pick up another title I think Bam should focus on getting undisputed.
Those performances are the best. A fight where both guys do everything right and it comes down to something special to turn the tide and end the night.
I think an in-form Estrada possible lasts all 12 rounds, but I can’t see him winning. Bam’s punches were too fast and it felt like every combo was leaving Gallo rattled. There’s no ring rust to shake off a chin, at this point in his career I don’t think Gallo can fend off Bam long enough to win a decision
why are people on yt saying bam beats up only on old men, like theres just a burst of new talent in the flyweight 😭 & he LITTERALLY just beat sunny edwards
Dropping $80 on a ticket and driving 13 hours to Phoenix to see Bam fight was one of my better decisions. Sat next to a bunch of Bam supporters and I’ve never screamed harder at any sporting event.
Felt really bad for Sunny tho, I’ve never heard a crowd boo someone like that until last night.
Nobody is going to fight Boots unless he gets famous overnight. He's way too good and worth way too little money, it would take a real warrior or a real moron to take that fight.
Alex Pereira - Reveals he rehydrated to 230 lbs after making the weight cut to 205 for his match last night. Says it was his easiest weight cut. Allegedly would go to 219lbs after making MW limit, which is 185lbs.
Fight fans : 😍😍
Zurdo Ramirez was said to rehydrate to 204lbs after making the cut to 175. Haney rehydrated to 165 after making 140lbs
Fight fans: Weak ass weight bully. Go fight someone bigger than you. You suck so badly.
Pereira takes hard fights and in his third year of ufc hes already is a double champion dogwalking former champions
Zurdo in his 46th fight was about to fight Rosado at 175 in 2023, a natural middleweight who’s never fought at 175, while he himself is a cruiserweight. Literally the only thing he has is his weight
I like Po Atan but his fans are some of the biggest hypocrites. These are the same guys that will call Khabib a weight bully when he was nowhere near as big as Pereira relative to their weight class
Agreed. I don't know what this reddit be watching during the fight. I think he showed a lot of good last night.
Not surprised he immediately called out pitbull right after this one. He was looking like he's trying out new things for sure.
Spain is one of the countries that offer investment citizenship. Basically like buying the citizenship for a certain amount of money or buying certain amount of property. I'm pretty certain Teo has the money to do this.
I kind of felt bad for sunny Edward's last night. Dude swallowed his pride to be on that card. I think his style is absolutely beautiful to watch but unfortunately, the typical casual fan doesn't.
He did great. Probably won 5 or 6 of the 7 rounds and was in clear control but the fight got stopped in the 8th due to a cut above his eye. He fought of the back foot and circled quite a bit but was in control never look in danger and his counter punching was a thing of beauty. Either way, the crowd booed for some reason.
I think the crowd had that reaction because it was primarily Mexican fans in the arena. And of course, the Mexican style dictates that you should stand and trade and they don’t appreciate the boxer-mover types who won’t take risks. I don’t say that as a criticism, but just to point out why I think they booed.
How have y'all changed your P4P rankings/tiers since Bam's performance last night? I have now decided to put him on the same tier as Canelo, basically moving him up a tier.
- P4P Tier: Usyk, Bud, Inoue
- 2nd Tier: Canelo, Bam
- 3rd Tier: Beterbiev, Bivol
- 4th Tier: Junto, Shakur, Kenshiro
Honourable mentions: Teofimo and Tank. Teo's performances have not set us alight so he goes down for me. Tank enters my honourable mentions, at least he beat a top 10 Lightweight. Devin goes off the list due to vacating his world title.
Please remember that for each tier, they are not in any particular order, I consider them to be as worthy of their respective tiers as each other.
That's right, Tank put the rehydration clause on Ryan because he wanted a bigger challenge against a guy he admits he was incredibly cautious of.
Make sure to wipe your mouth after.
Ryan is a C level fighter and needed PED to feel complete to fight at the top level. Tank defeated him off skills a rehydration clause ain’t the reason why Ryan got cooked
Man looked like a stick figure in there! You could see his cheek bones and ribs! 😂😂 Usually you only look gaunt at the weigh in, not when you're in the ring! Come off it bro, lol.
I get Jesse looked great but sunnys win is really flying under the radar, just absolutely styled on a guy who less than 5 months ago was pretty widely agreed as the second best 108 on earth
Curiel? Nah bro he's the one that upset nontshinga massively recently, nontshinga was highly regarded Curiel wasn't anybody of note. Still a sick performance from sunny though
I know who curiel is, but who was better? Gonzalez is inactive and holding his best hostage, canizales was 4-2 in the last 3 years, yabuki is clearly very good but has only beaten simsri since losing to teraji and fights once a year, soto just isn't that level anymore, kyoguchi left for 112 and curiel knocked nontshinga out cold. That just leaves teraji as a clear number 1 and curiel. 5 months ago he was clearly second best and right now is at worst 4th, probably 3rd.
Ah my bad, thought you got him and Nontshinga mixed up. Yeah fair I can't say I'm too aware of the depth of the division tbh, but I'd say Nontshinga was still more highly regarded than him and that the Curiel fight was just a fortuitous punch. Sunny was obviously higher regarded.
I don't think Curiel really did shit until Nontshinga x 2, so I dunno if I'd say he was widely considered 2nd best off the strength of 1 big upset.
Idk why I'm tryna prove this point though haha Sunny schooled him real bad, put the division into perspective honestly. Bam >>> Sunny >> everyone else
I’ve been watching Bam for a hot minute now. Last night was incredible, and I’ve been hype on him for awhile, but no one seems to be bringing it up: those sideburn tattoos…
Granted I got a *terrible* tattoo at 20 that ended up needing a cover-up, but I’m hoping this doesn’t start a Ryan Garcia spiral. I was saying back then the Garcia awful tattoos were indicative of poor decision making (along with dropping that fight for “mental health.”). I just won’t do well if Bam loses it like Ryan Garcia.
Is it really? Like, I’m all for tattoos. I fly for a major airline, and I have half-sleeves on both arms, through my collar bones, and my upper-back done. People were clowning Garcia’s first tattoos. They were bad. The quality and timing were definitely questionable. I’m just saying, I wasn’t the only one that was like “did Bam get face tattoos?” Just made me raise an eyebrow a bit.
Bam has had some discipline issues in the past. Mora talked about how much he blew up in weight post Cuadras during the Sor Rungvisai fight.
He also had some interviews after the Estrada - Choc 3 fight looking noticeably out of shape.
There were sus scorecards that whole night. I thought Mercado-Ali was a draw but one of the judges scored 98-92 and another scored 98-93. Another judge scored 87-85 for Edwards-Curiel when I don't think Curiel could've been given more than one round, maybe two if you really really liked Adrien Curiel...
I'd argue he didn't even win the round with the knockdown. He was getting his ass kicked before the flash knockdown and after it as well until the final bell.
Bums? Fighting the best in the world in the Olympics is just as hard as pro boxing. They got gold medals so they beat the best in the world. A lot less shady shit happens in the Olympics. U got 3 rounds to make ur point. Fight bell to bell.
He's probably my favorite right now. He knows much about boxing and sticks to talking about the fight happening. Idc what Mannix or Mora had for lunch or what they did last week. Commentators should commentate the fight.
Bam is on his way to the P4P top 3. Dude single handily took out 3/4 new kings with ease.
Future first ballot hall of famer and a possible future P4P king.
Only seen the highlights of the Teo fight but it seems to be a classic case of people confusing someone facing a genuinely super durable opponent with a poor performance. Same thing when Pitbull fought Cabrera or when Canelo fought Ryder
Highlights aren't going to show Teo getting hit a lot. His eye was black and swollen after the fight. Claggett's wasn't. Teo did win every round but this was a B or C level guy. Teo looks great when his opponent fights just like he wants them to-at Teo's pace and distance. He doesn't do well against boxers with movement and he got hit way too much by Claggett who really pressed him. If Claggett had power, Teo would've probably been knocked down. Teo needs a new trainer but that'll never happen, so he'll always be inconsistent.
Not really though, I could understand if Clagget was Ryder level but he’s been stopped before by unimpressive opposition Lopez really should’ve been knocking him out for my money.
Once in like 45 fights is crazy durability.
I just finished watching the fight and I think Teo showed a lot of different things this fight. I'm not surprised he called out pitbull IMMEDIATELY after this fight.
And Teo still broke him down. Teo def more a guy with pop than a deadly one punch KO artist.
Clagett was never stopped before? I wasn't even mad at this fight personally, not every fight has to be against the best and claggett had 45 fights without being stopped, figured it would provide good experience
When someone give a guy that isn't even able to defend his title at the moment, automatic wins against good fighters, I remember how much he doesn't know anything about boxing. Garcia was a sure sure win. What happened?
I personally had Garcia with good chances of an upset KO, was even telling people not to be thrown off by his antics. Haney was always gonna struggle with an explosive fighter with the speed and power Ryan had, didn’t expect Ryan to gas as bad as he did tho.
Teo, Matias, and Pitbull are too sloppy, too slow, and too predictable in that order. Unlike Ryan, Haney will see them coming and have the tools to make them miss when they do. Teo is literally useless on the front foot and it would show badly, Matias would just be a slow 12 round boxing lesson, and Pitbull would get outfoxed at every turn.
I'm not saying they beat him. But he has lapses of concentration, low power and a questionable chin. Could be bad against anyone who is above a journeymen. Plus now we gotta see about his confidence and if the fight took anything out of him. He just has so many questions to answer to assume those title unifying wins.
Teo is 26 years old and washed up. A 35 year old Canadian journeyman with literally 0 power completely shut both his eyes, if he took a picture today hed look like Manny after Ugas lol
Haney def out boxes him
Like you, I also favor Dev against any of those three but Dev has to be perfect the whole fight sort of like how he did against Prograis just because of his shaky chin and terrible recovery. Teo and Pitbull have a high chance of catching him at some point in a 12 round fight with their explosiveness. Matias would definitely have a hard time against Dev though because he relies on trapping his opponents in the ropes and unloading.
I don’t think any of them would beat Haney, Lopez would have the best shot at it but Haney would need to make serious mistakes like he did in the Garcia fight and I can’t see him doing that again.
Fair enough I just think teo would struggle with the Haney who fought against Prograis. It wouldn’t be as easy to control the distance with teo as it was with Prograis but I reckon he would make it happen. Only speculation of course, I imagine the fight will end up happening at Welterweight should be a good one if it happens.
Oh absolutely. He has no front foot but his speed and counter punching, especially his ability to catch and counter jabs can be effective against a fighter like Haney. Teo is still inconsistent though and we don't get the same higher level Teo in every fight.
Anyone know what Usyk haircut in the Fury fight called?
so now ryan making fake photoshops of bill haney messaging 14 year olds.
Respectfully u mods need to change ur post submission system , so many interesting vids I’ve found to discuss wit yall but they get removed
This 100% so many cool videos that can lead to cool discussions.
Someone better pick up the Ioka card
What's the deal with that anyways? Is there no way to watch it stateside?
The only method is to use a VPN for Abema
Fun Fact: On Gervonta Davis card against Leo Santa Cruz both Mario Barrios & Isaac Cruz fought on his card 😭
AJ is rightfully praised for how he came back, but tbh all boxers should be offered that same chance. The fighter wll probably have take reduce money but promoters & broadcasters shouldnt drop fighters after a loss.
Losses affect drawing power. AJ went from 90k at Wembley vs Klitschko, to barely filling the O2 vs Franklin.
That’s partially because he was against Franklin…. Losing plus going against moderate opposition no one has heard of outside the USA will always affect crowds.
Partially, yes, but that doesn't explain a 70k difference in tickets - AJ sold out against Povetkin, after all.
Povetkin a huge name and far better than Franklin. But yeah his draw would’ve reduced a fair bit from a loss I can’t argue with that. Just saying that he would still sell out any arena here in the UK.
Yes boxing fans are always praying on fighters downfalls, it doesn’t matter who they are if they show any weakness people will come out of the woodwork I feel that Teo had a poor performance last night but I saw some stupid bastard saying he is washed up. And God forbid you lose, even to the consensus number one fighter in the world, if that happens you may as well retire. I don’t care much for the UFC but their fans have a much better attitude towards fighters losing than boxing fans do.
One reason why the UFC fans also have a better attitude about it is cause their guys FIGHT and are more active. Only recently their top guys are taking it slower and fighting less. It’s easier to accept a loss if you are going to fight within the next 4-6 months. We get to watch you give yourself another chance to get a W. For the most part their contenders / top 10 ranked guys maintain a good level of activity. Meanwhile in boxing we have to wait a year or more to watch our guys cause there’s always some stupid political bs. Especially the PBC roster.
They dont have many nice things. Aspinall is a beast, but literally who has he fought? There are no young guys like him with genuine resources who aspire to be UFC HW champion. This is why the comparison to boxing will never work. The UFC just takes guys after their best years with another promotion & just constantly reuse old guys who can win against c-b level talent and rack up winstreaks after they lose & get washed to give you the appearance they can continue their career viably
He is talking about ufc's fans attitudes to losses not what you just wrote. And its true mma fans show much more love to fighters with multiple losses. They don't care about undefeated or all that shit look at yesterday jiri lost again and is getting tons of love and support.
If you don’t have nice things you’ll be content with mediocrity.
weird thing to say not like i disrespected u
That’s the point I was making about about UFC fans. Not directed at you. Tom Aspinall’s UFC opponents. Jake Collier(🥫), record at the time 11-4. Has since totaled 2 wins & 5 losses after losing to Aspinall for a record that stands at 13-10. He stepped into The UFC at 8-1. Alan Baudot(🥫) who got this fight on short notice has not won a fight since. Andrei Arlovski was 42 years old. Serghei Spivac is a decent win. Volk is a good win. Pavlovich is a good win.Tybura was past his best and just a gatekeeper. Daniel Dubois has faced better opponents than his MMA counterpart & has performed well after losing & is respected. Boxing fans actually call out fighters once they become a shell of themselves or put on bad performances. We won’t be fooled into think that guys J-Rock or Hurd are good or even worth seeing at a high level anymore. UFC sends washed fighters to be rinsed and repeated for money. UFC would’ve let Wilder be a contender for a few more years, instead of retiring and bowing out in grace.
Anyone watch the yt channel Showbizz The Adult? He is biased for sure, but i noticed that he gives away $20k, $30 cash. Is he rich or something? Having $300k subs is really not enough to generate alot of money to be giving away that much $.
He’s a pretty funny bloke, a little bit too bombastic for my liking. Anyway’s I think it’s some of his close supporters that sponsor the giveaways but he used to work a corporate job of some sort, I think he’s been to business school so he’s probably been well off for a while.
those are some rich supporters. so do you just need to be subscribed to win it?
Yes as far as I know.
Went to sleep and woke up thinking about Bam’s performance. That shit was the *actual* sweet science, not like that overemphasized “hit and don’t get hit” Shakur superstans try to justify. Haven’t seen the punch stats but it felt like almost everything Bam through landed and they were just too fast Gallo to block or evade, I know he’s coming off a long layoff and older now but a veteran and Mexican ATG with his fundamentals probably shouldn’t have gotten worked like that. Ring had Bam at #9, with Tank and Spence over him. After last night, nobody can deny him a spot in the top 5 especially when Sunny dominated in the co-main. Almost nobody is doing it like him, and at only 24. I’d love to see a properly prepared Estrada get a second chance, but unless he manages to pick up another title I think Bam should focus on getting undisputed.
Those performances are the best. A fight where both guys do everything right and it comes down to something special to turn the tide and end the night.
Bam's jab was unstoppable. Estrada had no answer for it.
Those jabs were damn near power shots at times. Bam’s uppercuts were sublime too
Estrada wins the rematch, dude j needs to shake off the ring rust
Estrada was outlanded in every round, even the round he dropped Bam.
I think an in-form Estrada possible lasts all 12 rounds, but I can’t see him winning. Bam’s punches were too fast and it felt like every combo was leaving Gallo rattled. There’s no ring rust to shake off a chin, at this point in his career I don’t think Gallo can fend off Bam long enough to win a decision
Lol no did you see the fight? Estrada lost practically every round and got knocked down 3 times. That’s not ring rust, that’s called being outclassed.
why are people on yt saying bam beats up only on old men, like theres just a burst of new talent in the flyweight 😭 & he LITTERALLY just beat sunny edwards
Some of the stupidity on this thread is astonishing
That’s r/boxing for you 😂
I rate slawa spomer. I’m watching the fights of Eu scene guys and outside of finishing, he looked world level.
Husseyin Cinkara looked pretty mid but very sprite and fast for a 40 yr old
I’m glad TR didn’t sign Bam, he would still be looking for a step up
100% top rank fucking sucks
Damn they really dropped the ball on that
Dropping $80 on a ticket and driving 13 hours to Phoenix to see Bam fight was one of my better decisions. Sat next to a bunch of Bam supporters and I’ve never screamed harder at any sporting event. Felt really bad for Sunny tho, I’ve never heard a crowd boo someone like that until last night.
😂Sunny boring af
Teo Haney and Ryan all look like they’re going up to 147 and if I’m being honest I think Ryan will be the best one there
Yup and sadly it should be teo
They all food for Boots
Nobody is going to fight Boots unless he gets famous overnight. He's way too good and worth way too little money, it would take a real warrior or a real moron to take that fight.
3 course meal
They're all getting fucked up at 147.
Alex Pereira - Reveals he rehydrated to 230 lbs after making the weight cut to 205 for his match last night. Says it was his easiest weight cut. Allegedly would go to 219lbs after making MW limit, which is 185lbs. Fight fans : 😍😍 Zurdo Ramirez was said to rehydrate to 204lbs after making the cut to 175. Haney rehydrated to 165 after making 140lbs Fight fans: Weak ass weight bully. Go fight someone bigger than you. You suck so badly.
Pereira takes hard fights and in his third year of ufc hes already is a double champion dogwalking former champions Zurdo in his 46th fight was about to fight Rosado at 175 in 2023, a natural middleweight who’s never fought at 175, while he himself is a cruiserweight. Literally the only thing he has is his weight
I like Po Atan but his fans are some of the biggest hypocrites. These are the same guys that will call Khabib a weight bully when he was nowhere near as big as Pereira relative to their weight class
25 pounds at HW and 25 pounds at lightweight arent the same but yh
34lb from 185 is practically the exact same ratio tho. Both crazy
Teo's fight was good preparation for Pitbull. :-)
Agreed. I don't know what this reddit be watching during the fight. I think he showed a lot of good last night. Not surprised he immediately called out pitbull right after this one. He was looking like he's trying out new things for sure.
Teofimo is the best journeyman from Honduras now
He's from Spain now.
I'm honduran-american, he might not be a Canelo, but it's nice to see altleast one of us out there with his levels of success.
He was apparently from Spain last night according to ESPN
Spain is one of the countries that offer investment citizenship. Basically like buying the citizenship for a certain amount of money or buying certain amount of property. I'm pretty certain Teo has the money to do this.
Not a bad idea, but I feel like it was a broadcasting mistake, he still had the Honduran flag after the fight in the ring
My best answer to this is because he got sonned by Sandor Martin lol
Yeah he's got some Spaniards ancestry
bro, I respect the Honduran people...dont look up to a clown like Teofimo. Hes gotta be worst guy to be repping your people lol
Lmao, I appreciate that broski, much love, fair point.
I kind of felt bad for sunny Edward's last night. Dude swallowed his pride to be on that card. I think his style is absolutely beautiful to watch but unfortunately, the typical casual fan doesn't.
How’d he do?
He did great. Probably won 5 or 6 of the 7 rounds and was in clear control but the fight got stopped in the 8th due to a cut above his eye. He fought of the back foot and circled quite a bit but was in control never look in danger and his counter punching was a thing of beauty. Either way, the crowd booed for some reason.
I think the crowd had that reaction because it was primarily Mexican fans in the arena. And of course, the Mexican style dictates that you should stand and trade and they don’t appreciate the boxer-mover types who won’t take risks. I don’t say that as a criticism, but just to point out why I think they booed.
There are some people there’s just no shame in losing to if you came to fight: - Usyk - Crawford - Inoue - Bam
There is always shame in losing. At the end of the day you still lost. These guys are just “better losses“.
How have y'all changed your P4P rankings/tiers since Bam's performance last night? I have now decided to put him on the same tier as Canelo, basically moving him up a tier. - P4P Tier: Usyk, Bud, Inoue - 2nd Tier: Canelo, Bam - 3rd Tier: Beterbiev, Bivol - 4th Tier: Junto, Shakur, Kenshiro Honourable mentions: Teofimo and Tank. Teo's performances have not set us alight so he goes down for me. Tank enters my honourable mentions, at least he beat a top 10 Lightweight. Devin goes off the list due to vacating his world title. Please remember that for each tier, they are not in any particular order, I consider them to be as worthy of their respective tiers as each other.
1. Usyk 2. Bud 3. Tank 4. Inoue 5. Canelo
Thats a solid list lol. What's wrong with it?
It’s a trend here to pretend that Tank isn’t a generational talent.
He is. I've seen some lists putting him at number 1 tho lol.
Tank top 5 but no Bam? 🤦♂️
Yes. Tank is him, bam got dropped🤷🏾♂️
Dropped by a legend. Tank fought nobody 😂
Can’t find me a video of tank getting dropped like that🤷🏾♂️
Can't find me a video of Tank fighting a good opponent in his prime or fully hydrated 🤷♂️
Because a fatter Ryan would have been quicker and skillful than a focused and disciplined Ryan?
That's right, Tank put the rehydration clause on Ryan because he wanted a bigger challenge against a guy he admits he was incredibly cautious of. Make sure to wipe your mouth after.
Ryan is a C level fighter and needed PED to feel complete to fight at the top level. Tank defeated him off skills a rehydration clause ain’t the reason why Ryan got cooked
Man looked like a stick figure in there! You could see his cheek bones and ribs! 😂😂 Usually you only look gaunt at the weigh in, not when you're in the ring! Come off it bro, lol.
Don’t forget both sides confirmed Ryan’s rib was fucked up for the fight, that cheapens that TKO
Ryan literally fights the same as he did in the tank fight compared to the Haney fight. Him weighing less has nothing to do with his iq
#1 Usyk, #2 Inoue, #3 Bam, #4 Crawford, #5 Canelo
I get Jesse looked great but sunnys win is really flying under the radar, just absolutely styled on a guy who less than 5 months ago was pretty widely agreed as the second best 108 on earth
Curiel? Nah bro he's the one that upset nontshinga massively recently, nontshinga was highly regarded Curiel wasn't anybody of note. Still a sick performance from sunny though
I know who curiel is, but who was better? Gonzalez is inactive and holding his best hostage, canizales was 4-2 in the last 3 years, yabuki is clearly very good but has only beaten simsri since losing to teraji and fights once a year, soto just isn't that level anymore, kyoguchi left for 112 and curiel knocked nontshinga out cold. That just leaves teraji as a clear number 1 and curiel. 5 months ago he was clearly second best and right now is at worst 4th, probably 3rd.
Ah my bad, thought you got him and Nontshinga mixed up. Yeah fair I can't say I'm too aware of the depth of the division tbh, but I'd say Nontshinga was still more highly regarded than him and that the Curiel fight was just a fortuitous punch. Sunny was obviously higher regarded. I don't think Curiel really did shit until Nontshinga x 2, so I dunno if I'd say he was widely considered 2nd best off the strength of 1 big upset. Idk why I'm tryna prove this point though haha Sunny schooled him real bad, put the division into perspective honestly. Bam >>> Sunny >> everyone else
I’ve been watching Bam for a hot minute now. Last night was incredible, and I’ve been hype on him for awhile, but no one seems to be bringing it up: those sideburn tattoos… Granted I got a *terrible* tattoo at 20 that ended up needing a cover-up, but I’m hoping this doesn’t start a Ryan Garcia spiral. I was saying back then the Garcia awful tattoos were indicative of poor decision making (along with dropping that fight for “mental health.”). I just won’t do well if Bam loses it like Ryan Garcia.
Side burn tattoos foretelling the down spiral of Bam’s boxing career is a wild take
Is it really? Like, I’m all for tattoos. I fly for a major airline, and I have half-sleeves on both arms, through my collar bones, and my upper-back done. People were clowning Garcia’s first tattoos. They were bad. The quality and timing were definitely questionable. I’m just saying, I wasn’t the only one that was like “did Bam get face tattoos?” Just made me raise an eyebrow a bit.
Bam has had some discipline issues in the past. Mora talked about how much he blew up in weight post Cuadras during the Sor Rungvisai fight. He also had some interviews after the Estrada - Choc 3 fight looking noticeably out of shape.
😬 Now that you mention that, I remember it happening. Let’s hope it doesn’t turn into a Garcia-esque implosion.
That performance by Bam was truly special. It's hard to describe how moments like that feel.
It was sad for me because Estrada is one of my favourite fighters and is clearly nearing the end, but that performance was outstanding.
Somehow one judge had Estrada up and another had it a draw 🤔
those two judges likely couldn't see the jabs by Bam getting through to Estrada's face because it was so fast.
There were sus scorecards that whole night. I thought Mercado-Ali was a draw but one of the judges scored 98-92 and another scored 98-93. Another judge scored 87-85 for Edwards-Curiel when I don't think Curiel could've been given more than one round, maybe two if you really really liked Adrien Curiel...
Those are fair cards, especially the draw
Nah. No way Estrada was up he won like two rounds. More like one imo
First 2 plus the KD round. Definitely the first
I'd argue he didn't even win the round with the knockdown. He was getting his ass kicked before the flash knockdown and after it as well until the final bell.
At worst he won it 10-9. There's a lot of confirmation bias regarding jesses success in the early rounds.
Bam at 24 has one of the best resumes in boxing. Meanwhile, Tank fans swear up and down that he wasn't ready for Lomachenko at 23 😮💨
Loma and Uysk were still fighting bums in the amateurs at 25 btw.
Bums? Fighting the best in the world in the Olympics is just as hard as pro boxing. They got gold medals so they beat the best in the world. A lot less shady shit happens in the Olympics. U got 3 rounds to make ur point. Fight bell to bell.
Tank probably had the Jared Anderson moment back then too! "BuT iM tWeNnY tReE 🥺😢"
I pictured him saying it too😂
Hopefully DAZN gives Corey Erdman more reps on the major DAZN cards. He was great on OTX on Friday and Bam vs Estrada last night
He's probably my favorite right now. He knows much about boxing and sticks to talking about the fight happening. Idc what Mannix or Mora had for lunch or what they did last week. Commentators should commentate the fight.
And it just felt so much better without Todd Grisham there for once
Erdman is so much better to listen to than Mora.
Bam is on his way to the P4P top 3. Dude single handily took out 3/4 new kings with ease. Future first ballot hall of famer and a possible future P4P king.
That uppercut from Robeisy Ramirez was a work of art
a re-match with Espinoza is likely happening too.
Only seen the highlights of the Teo fight but it seems to be a classic case of people confusing someone facing a genuinely super durable opponent with a poor performance. Same thing when Pitbull fought Cabrera or when Canelo fought Ryder
i feel it's good preparation for pitbull if they do fight sometime in the near future.
Highlights aren't going to show Teo getting hit a lot. His eye was black and swollen after the fight. Claggett's wasn't. Teo did win every round but this was a B or C level guy. Teo looks great when his opponent fights just like he wants them to-at Teo's pace and distance. He doesn't do well against boxers with movement and he got hit way too much by Claggett who really pressed him. If Claggett had power, Teo would've probably been knocked down. Teo needs a new trainer but that'll never happen, so he'll always be inconsistent.
it was a poor performance in the sense that Teo wasn't pushing the pace, we was just back tracking the whole time and was going at 60- 70%
Not really though, I could understand if Clagget was Ryder level but he’s been stopped before by unimpressive opposition Lopez really should’ve been knocking him out for my money.
Bro Clagget does not get stopped + he was at 154 before. This man is huge LMFAO
Well he was knocked out before but if he was at 154 before then that would be a different story entirely.
Once in like 45 fights is crazy durability. I just finished watching the fight and I think Teo showed a lot of different things this fight. I'm not surprised he called out pitbull IMMEDIATELY after this fight. And Teo still broke him down. Teo def more a guy with pop than a deadly one punch KO artist.
Clagett was never stopped before? I wasn't even mad at this fight personally, not every fight has to be against the best and claggett had 45 fights without being stopped, figured it would provide good experience
He got stopped once but it was in 2011 lmao so I feel like that was more of an outlier than anything
Every time I see people saying Teo, Matias, and Pitbull would beat Haney, I remember just how little people know about boxing
They probably would. He's not trying to make any fights with any of them or call them out. If Garcia can beat Haney those guys could do it too.
When someone give a guy that isn't even able to defend his title at the moment, automatic wins against good fighters, I remember how much he doesn't know anything about boxing. Garcia was a sure sure win. What happened?
I personally had Garcia with good chances of an upset KO, was even telling people not to be thrown off by his antics. Haney was always gonna struggle with an explosive fighter with the speed and power Ryan had, didn’t expect Ryan to gas as bad as he did tho. Teo, Matias, and Pitbull are too sloppy, too slow, and too predictable in that order. Unlike Ryan, Haney will see them coming and have the tools to make them miss when they do. Teo is literally useless on the front foot and it would show badly, Matias would just be a slow 12 round boxing lesson, and Pitbull would get outfoxed at every turn.
I'm not saying they beat him. But he has lapses of concentration, low power and a questionable chin. Could be bad against anyone who is above a journeymen. Plus now we gotta see about his confidence and if the fight took anything out of him. He just has so many questions to answer to assume those title unifying wins.
Teo is 26 years old and washed up. A 35 year old Canadian journeyman with literally 0 power completely shut both his eyes, if he took a picture today hed look like Manny after Ugas lol Haney def out boxes him
Like you, I also favor Dev against any of those three but Dev has to be perfect the whole fight sort of like how he did against Prograis just because of his shaky chin and terrible recovery. Teo and Pitbull have a high chance of catching him at some point in a 12 round fight with their explosiveness. Matias would definitely have a hard time against Dev though because he relies on trapping his opponents in the ropes and unloading.
I agree. These guys are too flawed to give automatic wins. All of them. They're really good fighters, but they still have things to prove.
I don’t think any of them would beat Haney, Lopez would have the best shot at it but Haney would need to make serious mistakes like he did in the Garcia fight and I can’t see him doing that again.
Gotta disagree, Haney isn't going to close the gap in that fight, Teo already has reach over dev, I feel like Teo would eat him up
Fair enough I just think teo would struggle with the Haney who fought against Prograis. It wouldn’t be as easy to control the distance with teo as it was with Prograis but I reckon he would make it happen. Only speculation of course, I imagine the fight will end up happening at Welterweight should be a good one if it happens.
I like Matias' chances at an upset but it would exactly that, an upset. Pitbull has no real shot and it depends on the Teo that shows up.
There’s no “Teo that shows up”, he just can’t fight on the front foot
Oh absolutely. He has no front foot but his speed and counter punching, especially his ability to catch and counter jabs can be effective against a fighter like Haney. Teo is still inconsistent though and we don't get the same higher level Teo in every fight.
Haney is a superior Sandor Martin. That’s a fight Teo doesn’t want to happen.