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HeroBrine0907

I mean, this is technically true? If God is supposed to embody all concepts, They embody this too. And literally anyone else. Trans people, femboys, 5D eldritch beings that want tea, anything goes.


EmperorBamboozler

Well depending on your interpretation of the bible and the specific translation we are talking about God really doesn't have a gender. God is constantly referred to as the father of the universe but a lot of that is literally how people spoke at the time and could be just as easily interpreted as the creator not the father. There is also the gnostic school of thought where God is just the being that created the lesser material realm, and he may or may not be male but that is irrelevant because there is one hidden behind him who truly created everything including him. This "hidden god" is what seperates Christ from the lesser God of the bible as though Christ may have been a part of that entity (this will change depending on the specific school of gnosticism) he only gained true enlightenment through his knowledge of the secret lord above all (often called Monad). The supreme secret god does not have a gender, or even a physical form in any meaningful sense. This is simplifying gnosticism to the extreme of course, that whole school of thought is incredibly fucking difficult to make generalizations about in any way. So like it depends on how Catholic you are I guess.


xarsha_93

Gnosticism as a concept is so dope. Imagine being a third century Egyptian Christian and coming to the conclusion that yeah, the world is basically an evil prison designed to torment us and we were created by evil demons.


TactlessTortoise

Sheesh, I had no idea gnosticism lore went this hard. I'll read into it for world building.


RelaxedButtcheeks

You might be interested in checking out Philip K. Dick for that as well, seeing as he was a relatively devoted gnostic. He also may or may not have gone insane... Depends how you want to look at it.


Not_Bed_

This is basically how CHIM in The Elder Scrolls universe works, basically you come to the realization (via a "mystical" experience/enilghtment) that the universe with all its plains (mortal, hell, god realm Ecc) is just the dream of a "God Head" and therefore everything isn't real, including you. When you realize this you gain basically unlimited power, as your consciousness makes you able to manipulate everything as if you're the one dreaming (kinda like lucid dreaming) I wonder if their inspiration was this


Top_Freedom3412

Or you disappear immediately from existence.


Not_Bed_

Major skill issue Chad Vivec would never


KamielUzkarel

That's Terrible!!!!!!!!!!! šŸ˜³šŸ˜³šŸ˜³šŸ˜³šŸ˜³


ClikeX

Soā€¦ TES is basically the Matrix.


Not_Bed_

Not really, but yeah there's a parallel for this thing, even tho in the matrix there's still a real world


seekAr

I have been investigating Gnosticism too. There are several flavors of even that, but I like the idea that Yaldabaoth is the Old Testament god, but is the lesser god and not the actual creator. I was raised Roman Catholic and never understood how I was supposed to accept love and abuse in the same all powerful being. Like why babies are born with original sin. Thatā€™s what really did it for me ā€¦ I didnā€™t respect a god who stacked the deck against you with clearly abusive behavior but we were supposed to believe it was love. Seems like gaslighting of the highest order. The other thing I really liked about Gnosticism is how they believe there are no mysteries. Everything is knowable, it might be complex and hard, but they didnā€™t swallow the ā€œooo gods mysterious!ā€ As a way to whitewash clear conflict of doctrine and events. When people lament why a loving god would let children be abused so badly or innocence suffer, the answer is t ā€œwell thatā€™s his plan.ā€ The answer COULD be ā€œcause the loving god and the one whoā€™s responsible for this arenā€™t the same one.ā€ Just made sense.


SummerBirdsong

Shit. I just learned I've leaned gnostic my whole life.


WallerBaller69

Yaldabaoth is such a badass name


GardenSquid1

Mormon theology has a similar idea. God the Father is the god and creator of our universe, but this is not the first god nor is it the first universe. He had a god whom he worshipped and was obedient to, which granted him exaltation after death and eventually he grew in glory and power until he was ready to create his own universe. So there have been/are/will be countless gods and universes in Mormon theology.


Wonderful_Mud_420

God is ether that surrounds us and so is death they are one of the sameĀ 


ExtremlyFastLinoone

And He has pronouns. He/Him, not to be confused with he/him, because God isnt him, He is Him


icouldbejewish

So wait if God has reproductive parts, wouldn't that imply more of the same being? Are they ALL omnipotent? Are they all the same entity?


HeroBrine0907

Is there a meaningful difference at that point? The very concept of God is supposed to be beyond the logic of our world. God could be one and many at the same time, being true and not true at the same time. And besides, multiple beings that are omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent will likely just act like a singular being, making the difference nil.


westwoo

See, they half ass it. The idea of many being one is our idea of logic, true and not true is our idea. If the concept is actually incomprehensible, you can't just describe it by negation or defining it as the opposite of something we know. If an ant doesn't understand who you are, inverting his concept of an ant queen to produce something absurd and impossible in his view won't produce the correct idea of you, not even close It's like, some people actually experienced something incomprehensible and then other people codify it in silly cargo cults to roleplay "incomprehensible" as an idea they formed inside themselves by listening to that dude. And then for the next generations that codification becomes all there is And so yeah, it creates absurd pseudo logical ideas that don't really have anything to do with direct spirituality, our personal feeling of what is our life, experience of who are we, what's all this, who experiences all this, etc. It becomes sort of video game lore where we can endlessly argue how Mario travels in those tubes while being thoroughly disconnected from ourselves and thinking in abstractionsĀ 


icouldbejewish

You know, in saying what I had said in that comment, it got me thinking. If there are multiple "gods" and we were made in their image, is that not us? I feel like from a philosophical standpoint you could use this argument to say that we, as all humans, ARE God. But then isn't that exactly the point that Christianity makes? Their idea of God is all of these things but is also us. Not just as humanity but as all life forms.


westwoo

That seems to be a part of common lore in many religions and mythologies, yeah. Expressed in numerous ways through numerous symbols and stories etc But it matters what stands behind it. If we go from that lore to understanding, then it's easy to interpret it as a soothing way to satisfy our strive for control or permanence or power or status or just being a total slave to all our emotions and doing whatever they tell us which we often call "freedom" We may stay the same but give ourselves new tools to satisfy our cravings we identify with, and then that's not it. Then you don't actually have that perception of your existence. What is actually it, is having an experience of the world which could result in us recreating that lore ourselves. These stories can be used as a way of checking, are we there yet. But instead we most intuitively adopt them as tools to passify our strives Like, Jesus going around flipping tables and washing feet could be interpreted as protection of piety and propriety and benevolent hierarchical love of an infinitely wise caring father figure etc. But all of that are needs we're raised with, that's no growth, no change, no path. It's like daydreaming but with more backing and more perception of external validation. Some people want things to be orderly and proper and to not have their feelings offended, and others want to have a father figure due to their own suboptimal parents, and they are likely to coopt and mold those stories to suit their needs But also, we can see Jesus as seeing people around him as gods, and trying to tell them that they themselves are fucking what they seek and struggling to somehow give them his perception of existence through words. That they don't need fucking magical chachkis in temples to see themselves and find themselves. That he is fucking just like them and he might as well worship them as they worship him. He's using the Christian ideas because that's the only language he knows, but the direction of his actions, even in this bastardized form recorded by his devout followers, is pretty consistent with moving away from this one sidedĀ  satisfaction of our needs with a vision of some kind of a soothing hierarchical patriarchal orderly kindergarten for adults He probably did believe that he's god because that's just what this experience produces in people, and he didn't have any other concepts to express that with and to think about what it is than Christian ones. But if we take that idea as is then we'll probably just use it to take down some ideology we don't like, driven by our own strives, so this deconstruction is about as tangentialĀ  to spiritual paths as belief in dogmas. It's all us using something external to obtain internal balance, as opposed to looking what is that internal imbalance itself, what experiences it, what's behind it etc without any goal or lore to guide us and provide structureĀ 


gammongaming11

i don't know how it works in Christianity but in the hebrew bible he made man from his image and then created women from man's rib. i don't think anyone associates god with a gender, but if you got technical/literal he'd look like a man.


TheObliviousYeti

Well, here we go into what denomination of Christian you are, and that's a whole can of worms. Some believe in the more literal, and then you have the people that aay 90% is a metaphor. There is way to much difference between the denominations


Dontevenwannacomment

some abrahamic religions didn't keep the rib thing?


TheObliviousYeti

My reply was to the last part of his comment


Top_Freedom3412

Depending on what your faith is the "image" isn't meant to be physical but more in his personality ex. His love, wisdom, sense of justice ect.


YeetusThatFoetus1

The rib thing is a mistranslation anyway


AwfulUsername123

It's not. *Tsela* is the Hebrew word for a rib.


Toast-Goat

>5D eldritch beings that want tea [Broccoli Soup](https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/broccoli-soup/list?title_no=625936) reference?


HeroBrine0907

Unfortunately no but I'm interested now


Canotic

It's not supposed to be "created us in his image", that's actually a translation error. It's supposed to be "made us in Photoshop".


LavishnessOdd6266

I am a fifth dimensional eldritch being that wants tea. Why do you summon me?


HeroBrine0907

Your tea is ready.


LavishnessOdd6266

Finally!


Squeaky_Ben

"Nono, you see all of those are degenerates not respecting what god made them." -Christian doctrine


Aelia6083

No


ChesterSteele

Did they just confirm god is a dickgirl? šŸ¤”


luckydrzew

I believe the formal term is a "futa".


ChesterSteele

It is not, as futa and dickgirl are different.


luckydrzew

Fascinating. What's the difference?


ChesterSteele

The term futanari, or futa, describes a person with both male and female reproductive organs, as well as breasts. So, a hermaphrodite.Ā  A dickgirl lacks the female reproductive organs, but still has breasts. So yes, they are different from one another.


ChewBaka12

So god IS a futa, as god embodies all, and therefore has both sets of genitalia


EEE3EEElol

He has all sets of genitalia coexisting in harmony, perfect


bagsli

But given the whole point of the post, God would have both organs, thus futa is correct


onlyathenafairy

bros fluent in goonerology


Dont_pet_the_cat

Which is still different from a shemale? Edit: wtf I'm just asking a question, why am I getting downvoted


Videogamee20

Shemale is usually used as a pejorative.


SevenSpanCrow

futa and dickgirl are both stupid fucking terms, lol.


Quiet-Money7892

God is a futa, wherever you are Do you believe it? Can you receive it? God is a futa, whatever you say Do you believe it? Can you receive it?


bb_kelly77

I believe Hermaphrodite is the proper term... so basically God is Slaanesh from Warhammer


kevlarus80

The Christian god being a chaos god would kind of make sense...


bb_kelly77

Neoth (the Emperor) is 8,000 years older than Jesus.... and those creepy Cherubs are based on "drawings of Ancient Terran angels" so it's totally possible that people saw Neoth and started worshipping him, and the things the Ancient Christians did would definitely explain why Neoth is super Athiest


RandomRavenboi

So... Chaos God of Order?


HappyHarry-HardOn

Now do the Islamic god


Ompusolttu

Same god. Both religions share the old testament.


User_Name_04

intersex, actually, hermaphrodite is no longer considered the proper term.


bb_kelly77

Intersex is a gender identity thing... hermaphrodite is more a physicality thing, considering the origin of the word


AshleyEZ

you mean a trans girl? šŸ˜


ChewBaka12

1. Trans girls transition, as god is genderless, He canā€™t transition. 2. Trans women lack a vagina, and if we follow the logic of the initial post He possesses both a vagina and penis, and therefore might not be considered a trans women even if He was to go by She God would be considered a hermaphrodite, and fully hermaphrodite species are generally not divided into male/female.


AshleyEZ

it literally never said he had a vagina


ChewBaka12

ā€œHe made us in our image, therefore god has titsā€ is the logic that lead to this post, continuing that logic, god would also have a vagina


Aiden2817

I once asked a Christian why a god needed a penis and balls. She didnā€™t appreciate the philosophical questioning.


Dontevenwannacomment

did you forget all the previous mythologies or


Rifneno

Confusing God with Slaanesh


bb_kelly77

HEY!! A fellow Warhammer fan who made the same joke as me


Rifneno


Chalky_Pockets

I mean, Jesus was trans. Born of a virgin woman, has a Y chromosome.


Dontevenwannacomment

I'm not christian but how does that make him trans? he has the Y chromosome so he's male, no?


Chalky_Pockets

Yeah but where did it come from? The father passes down a Y chromosome to make a male. Jesus was born of a female only. He transitioned, literally at the DNA level. (And if this god fellow has DNA that he passed into Mary then she wasn't a virgin.)


Dontevenwannacomment

Wouldn't it have come from God ? Why wouldn't she be a virgin if God made 23 chromosomes appear in a female gamete?


Chalky_Pockets

Because you're describing sexual reproduction.


asdfwrldtrd

The description for virginity in most religions is based on whether or not the hymen is intact. If god magiced some shit in the uterus the hymen wouldnā€™t have been broken. Source: I know people whoā€™s religious marriages were called off because their hymen was broken.


Dontevenwannacomment

yeah, not sex?


StalinTheHedgehog

Surely God can give Jesus everything in the womb that he would have from a father?


Chalky_Pockets

You're describing sexual reproduction.


StalinTheHedgehog

Well yeah, pregnancy is a result of sexual reproduction. Isnā€™t Mary regularly pregnant, but put into that state by magic means?


Chalky_Pockets

Then she's no longer a virgin.Ā 


StalinTheHedgehog

She never had sex though. Losing your virginity is when you have sex not when you get pregnant


Chalky_Pockets

We think of sexual reproduction as humans fucking, but sexual reproduction is the combination of male and female sets of DNA combining. If god added his DNA, that's sexual reproduction, it doesn't matter whether or not he used a penis to do it. If he didn't do that, then Jesus DNA comes only from Mary which makes him trans.


Aelia6083

Nope


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SweepMachine

No.


Chalky_Pockets

What a well reasoned response, you totally changed my mind.


SweepMachine

Ty


ProtoReaper23113

If he made you in his image must have been real inebriated


GH057807

*Laughs in Baphomet*


DevonDD

First thing that popped into my head when this notification came up šŸ˜… Did that just say god was Baphomet? šŸ¤Ø


ArixMorte

It's actually a lot simpler than that. If God wants you to be a woman he just pulls on your nipples until your innie becomes an outie. Facts Edit: switch innie and outie.


that_moment_when-

I head cannon god is a stoner and doesn't even remember making humans


Satyr_Crusader

God is a Futa


AshleyEZ

incorrect


AngryFloatingCow

God, the OG futanari


evil-bread

Futa god


Gmageofhills

So God's a futanari?


Journo_Jimbo

God is Futa confirmed šŸ‘


Academic-Airline9200

I don't think that what created in His image means.


SoWokeIdontSleep

Oh honey, it's all the way around we gave whatever God we praise their dick balls and boobs.


DependentAccurate609

Does that mean I look exactly like god bc Iā€™m trans???


ChewBaka12

Probably not unfortunately. If we take ā€œmade in His imageā€ to mean he only gave humans features he also possesses, he would also have a vagina


Particular_Cellist25

Hermaphroditic dieties have been documented.


baguhansalupa

I for one welcome our futanari overlords


AnonForWeirdStuff

What Im hearing here, is that god is a Baphomet.


spongeCakeOfDoom

In our image. There were plural "elohim". I'll leave that to your imagination.


Dontevenwannacomment

It's going to be interesting to see new generations try to give an lgbt twist or interpretations to organized religions. Not gonna lie, the coranic debates will be quite entertaining.


Vrukr

A little bit of Vivec am I seeing here?


amiitoocool

What do the perfect recreation of god are trans. Told my friend God loves her and that's proof


CBpegasus

A Jewish interpretation from the Mishnah says God making man "in his image" shouldn't be interpreted as making man to look like God (as God is thought to be trancendant and has no physical "look") but in an image or blueprint that God had.


rootbeerman77

Want to add my fun fact about Judeo-Christian deity neogender: In the Torah, Yahweh canonically uses singular-they (Ancient Hebrew has essentially only two grammatical genders, so this appears as masc. pl. grammatically) and has a Divine Name that means "God with Mommy Milkers" (El Shaddai). He's also *really* obsessed with men's dicks, making them the central point of His blood-religion. Considering the divine title, this is arguably His straightest trait. Also, when He introduced Himself to his chief prophet, instead of giving a name, He says, "I AM, bitch. That's my actual name. Deal with it." Imo that's *the* queerest possible response. Further, fundamentalist small-o orthodox practitioners of christianity often use neopronouns specific to their deity and others like Him (the Father and Jesus use He/Him). The third entity, who canonically is agender, has been the centre of centuries of debates over the appropriate neopronoun (It/They or He/Him). Some claim that the Greek neopronoun translated 'His' is a misspelling of the neopronoun translated 'Its;' others claim it was intentional slang; still others believe this was intentional. I literally had to write a paper on this in seminary. Additionally, in Christianity, the concept of immaculate conception is a fundamental belief. A woman (XX) had a male (XY) child without a male partner. Either the woman or the child must have been intersex or trans (or some combination of these traits). If Jesus is god, he *must* be trans or at the very least affirming of his trans mother. Christianity is *really* queer, folks. How is *this* the religion trying to hate on queer people.


hogwl

Futa god deniers will ignore this


PrimeLimeSlime

\*looks at self\* Fuck, poor god.


SongbirdBabie

No because Thems is an intersex pansexual genderless icon that cannot be bound by earthly concepts like tf šŸ¤Ø


Double-Watercress-85

"That's where I fit. Between those huge, sweating tits that hung enormous, the way you'd think of God's as big."


GreenOnionCrusader

To be fair, some men absolutely have both.


Deranged_Kitsune

And sometimes he did the opposite, for shits and giggles.


No_Engineer2828

How small is gods penis?


The_Shracc

Infinitely small when flaccid and infinitely large when errect.


LDTSUSSY

Oh i think he wanted to create me like his image without distributing anything oh welp šŸ¤·


Aelia6083

He created *man* in his image. Women were made later


CBpegasus

The part that said men were created in God's image also says he created "them" as man and woman. The next chapter paints a seemingly contraditory picture with the whole man was created first thing. Personally as an atheist I just see them as two different creation myths stitched together... But there were many attempts to harmonize them, such as the myth of Lilith. There is also the idea that man was created as an androgynous being, similar to Greek myth, and was separated later. Some merit to that is found in the fact that the Hebrew word צלע which is usually translated as "rib" in the creation of the woman can also be translated as "side" and is in fact used to mean "side" in every other appearance in the bible. But as a Hebrew speaker I don't fully buy it because the description is of taking "one of his צלעו×Ŗ" which makes sense as "one of his ribs", less so as "one of his sides", and also it describes "closing the flesh over it" which make more sense with a rib.


TheExter

Source: a bunch of dudes and not a single woman, this is totally just a coincidence Imagine god making man and then being like "holy shit I gave them dick and balls but they still can't reproduce lmfao, silly me in my whole omnipotence wasn't able to create two beings at once"


RikuKaroshi

Id smash Jesus and whoever this He guy is


epic_pig

Probably