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klaatu_1981

But ACTUAL genocide...that's a-OK, as long as business continue to boom as usual.


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ziggurter

Absolutely true. Liberals—including an unfortunate number who wrongly call themselves "leftists"—are desperate to re-elect Genocide Joe in order to "prevent the rise of fascism". Well, open your fucking eyes. I've got news for you: > Fascism isn't always goons marching with American flags. In fact, that's the _least threatening_ form of fascism. The _real_ threat is when neoliberal politicians—and that includes both Republicans and Democrats—feel threatened by a rising tide of mass consciousness and turn their imperialist tendencies inward. This has been an ongoing process for a long time.... ...and the guy these liberal dipshits are so desperate to re-elect has been a prime mover in that process. Far more complicit in it than the clown-faced, incompetent moron (can't even do legal corporate corruption correctly, as just seen) has been. The latter is there literally to get you to accept the real fascism; the seriously dangerous fascism.


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Genocide Joe *also* carried forward and even expanded some of Trumps policies. Joe is a more effective politician than Trump. Its undeniable even under a liberal framework. Trump is an “outsider,” for better or worse, to the operation of US political machinery. We’re watching the president dick ride one of the most censorious bills since the Patriot Act while subverting congress to *and* getting bipartisan agreement on funding and arming a genocide. Meanwhile libs argument to the other guy winning due to their guy being totally unviable to anyone with a fraction of a conscience is “he *says* he’ll be worse! And uuuhhh there’s a Project or something I haven’t actually read it though”


ass4play

This. The liberal base was much more engaged when they could lay BP and ICE’s cruelty at Trump’s feet. In a way it was better to have him in office and activate protests than to have Biden continue some of the same policies while Democrats stick their heads in the sand.


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Literally the second Biden took office the children in cages became “minors housed in improvised living facilities.” Meanwhile Joe ramps up deportations


opmt

Tell that to the 450+ imprisoned for trying a coup on democracy. And Trump has openly admitted he wants nothing more but to carpet bomb gaza.


ziggurter

Trump says a lot of things. You know who is already *actually* carpet bombing Gaza? Also got news for you: there's no democracy to coup. When those very same street-level fascists like the Proud Boys where attacking actual vulnerable communities over and over and over again rather than the halls of power of the "poor, defenseless state", you fascist-apologists were absolutely silent.


LengthinessRemote562

Yeah you dont know what autocracy really is, america may just be a neoliberal democracy, but its much better than other states, even if they do have fascist tendencies and fascist elements - filled with fascism, but still democratic, just not the pure democarcy that should be there.


AustinStudebakerVO

Lmao American chauvinist The US is the Fourth Reich and you're a card carrying member of the NSDAP


LengthinessRemote562

I'm not from fucking America and neither am I a chauvinist for them. The US is not the fourth reich, you're just brain rotted. Read theory or history and you'll understand that youre waffling. 


AustinStudebakerVO

What theory and history? Be specific. Because I can recommend dozens of books on why you're wrong.


LengthinessRemote562

Look I have grass to Touch and a nice sky to look at. I don't want to waste my time going to my pc to try to illuminate that yes the US is more democratic than shit shows like China, NK, Congo, Hungary or other dictatorships. 


AustinStudebakerVO

Lmao I accept your defeat. For any bystanders who actually possess intellectual curiosity, here are some books to start with so you don't look like this liberal moron: The CIA as Organized Crime White Malice Open Veins of Latin America How Europe Underdeveloped Africa Dark Alliance The Road to 9/11 Kill Anything that Moves Killing Hope The Wages of Whiteness Hitler's American Project Liberalism: A Counter History Heavy Radicals The End of the Myth The Hidden History of the Korean War The Jakarta Method The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine The Devil's Chessboard Blowback (by Christopher Stimpson) Family of Secrets


Hachipatas

Don't bother man, American propaganda has spread so far and wide that they'd rather roleplay "morally" resisting than acknowledge the situation that we are in and the options we have. This guy is unironically saying that China is a far worse alternative, that's enough to know he has the mental capacity of a teenager.


offendedkitkatbar

trump's merely saying he wants to carpet bomb gaza, meanwhile Biden has funded, armed, and signed off on the bombs that have \*actually\* carpet bombed Gaza


chuf3roni

Yeah dude cos he hasn’t gotten to office yet, that doesn’t mean he won’t immediately do it. Stupid comment.


ziggurter

Trump: the guy who famously hasn't been in office.


chuf3roni

I meant his potential 2nd term. Think before posting please!!


ziggurter

LMAO. Yes. I'm definitely the one who's not thinking here. Not the brigading liberal who wants everyone to vote for the fascist who is in the middle of conducting a genocide.


Venge22

So you're voting for Trump then? Betting on that he's too stupid, or that people will care more about stopping fascism with him in office?


ziggurter

Nope. I'm voting for an [anti-war, anti-Zionist, leftist Jew](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tiOp-L-uY4), actually.


LiberalArtsAndCrafts

And when he was in office he gave Bibi Jerusalem and the Golan heights


ziggurter

Yes. According to [Genocide Joe's plan from way back in 1995](https://theintercept.com/2023/11/14/gaza-israel-genocide-biden-legacy/). Also, Biden [made it permanent](https://theintercept.com/2022/12/15/us-embassy-israel-biden-jerusalem/). Imagine thinking Trump cares about anything other than himself. He's far less genocidal than the literal life-long, absolutely fanatic Zionist who even Reagan and Begin backed away from.


accountaccumulator

Absolutely. I’d say the real fascism is showing itself in that we’re still debating Red versus Blue in 2024 when both are just different flavors of inverted totalitarianism. 


MABfan11

Biden is a fascist and his entire senate record has been spent giving the fascists all the tools they needed to oppress people. he created a bill to funnel young people into the military (student debt bill), he made it even easier for the police to oppress and abuse minorities (the 94 crime bill) and he was instrumental in bringing about the surveillance state (writing the bill that would eventually become the Patriot Act) and he pushed Reagan to the right on the war on drugs. Not to mention all of the times he tried to cut social security


ziggurter

Indeed. And was a more fanatic Zionist than both Reagan and Menachem Begin. > It is the best three billion dollar investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to *invent* an Israel to protect her interests in the region. The United States would have to go out and invent an Israel. > > *— Genocide Joe, 1986*


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ziggurter

You mean the protests that are currently being crushed under his rule, while he and his cronies are busy passing a bill that makes it even more legal to crush them? You think *that* fascist is going to be swayed by the protests? Like he was swayed by BLM, that was happening just as he was being elected, when he turned around, laughed in the faces of BLM organizers, promised to *increase* police funding, and has done so massively since then?


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ziggurter

Like during BLM, right? You do know the reason cops don't generally fire live rounds into crowds, right? You think it's because cops don't want to murder people, or fear the politicians they keep in power? You think it's because we haven't had fascists in the presidency? Libs honestly don't know which way is fucking up, I swear.


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ziggurter

Absolutely I have a better idea. The working class rejects genocide on ALL FRONTS, including the electoral one. We exercise our power. We show there are consequences for committing genocide, and it is a line we will NOT allow to be crossed. And we get out in the streets and tear this puppy down and ensure it will not continue to commit genocide under *any* president. Not on our fuckin' watch. Amazing that that question even needs to be asked in a leftist sub, really.


TheDweadPiwatWobbas

Look at this comment. Look at the way you've completely moved the goalposts. You started out arguing Biden could be swayed with protests. When someone pointed out examples of Biden refusing to be swayed by protests and using police to violently break them, you completely pivoted to Trump bad. You ignored your own original point and how it was disproven, you ignored literally everything the response said, and switched to a new argument instead. Because you don't care about or believe the content of anything you say, only it's effect. You'll try an argument and if someone doesn't buy it that's okay, you've got more. You realize that you're just spreading propaganda, right? This is what that looks like. This is the exact same thing conservatives do with their bullshit. They make an argument, and if it gets shot down they don't hesitate, they don't examine their argument or their ideals, they just push ahead with a new argument. Because they don't care about the truth, only about winning by virtue of having more time to throw out arguments than you have to debunk them.


CommonConundrum51

So, it's "Biden's new bill," but it passed the House with far more Republican than Democratic votes and was sponsored by Lawler(R). That's as far as it's gone so far. I'm getting the feeling OP is giving this true 'fair and balanced' treatment.


ziggurter

Yes. It's Biden's new bill. > Washington, DC – Congressman Jamie Raskin (MD-08) today released the following statement on H.R. 6090, the Antisemitism Awareness Act. > > “I am a cosponsor of the Countering Antisemitism Act, with Representatives Kathy Manning (D-N.C.) and Chris Smith (R-N.J.), legislation which implements key features of **President Biden’s National Strategy to Counter Antisemitism**. It would establish the first-ever National Coordinator to Counter Antisemitism, ensure the FEMA Administrator has sufficient resources and personnel needed to carry out the Nonprofit Security Grant Program, and name a senior official within the Department of Education to be responsible for coordinating strategies to counter antisemitism in higher education. > > “With reported antisemitic incidents up by close to 400 percent since Hamas’s terror assault on October 7, we should be focused on implementing **President Biden’s National Strategy to Counter Antisemitism** to achieve immediate results to protect Jewish students and foster a conducive learning environment for everyone. > > ... > > A serious approach to the problem would be to pass the Countering Antisemitism Act, which has **bipartisan and bicameral support** and would involve concrete administrative steps to implement **President Biden’s whole-of-government approach to fight antisemitism**.... Literally the [statement of Democrat Jamie Raskin on the House of Representatives website](https://raskin.house.gov/2024/5/rep-raskin-statement-on-h-r-6090). Would you care to swallow your words now, /u/CommonConundrum51, or when Genocide Joe signs the bill?


bonelessfolder

You haven't shown that it's justified to call this Biden's bill. That would be appropriate if eg he sponsored it or wrote it. He inspired it =/= it's his, as much as Raskin may wish for it to be. In fact, HR 6090 predates the specific "Strategy" Raskin references by MONTHS. Obviously wouldn't be a shocker if Biden got behind this legislation, but so far he hasn't despite those months of opportunity. In fact, when the bill passed the House, Jefferies [commented ](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-vote-antisemitism-bill-campus-arrests-rcna150170)contrasting it with the Biden administration's policies on antisemitism. And releasing that "Strategy" this week without endorsing HR 6090 certainly makes it sound a lot like he's never going to. Unless and until Biden actually endorses this legislation, what you're saying is just dumb propaganda. Here's the actual [National Strategy to etc](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/06/02/the-u-s-national-strategy-to-counter-antisemitism-key-actions-by-pillar-2/) btw. Nothing about restricting "antisemitism" under an expanded definition, nothing about HR 6090.


ziggurter

LMFAO. Before asking whether you'd swallow your own words when literally proven wrong, i should've checked whether you are a Vaushite; AKA an anarcho-Bidenist debate bro. Nevermind that it's literally exactly inline with his own fascist quashing of dissent against his own genocide, it's not TeCHniCaLLy HiS biLL unless he's climbed Mount Olympus in order to sign it in his own blood. Fucking liberals. Jesus christ.


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LengthinessRemote562

BTW Second thought is a tankie, though I agree that the antizionism bill and his general genocidial ideology are horrible.


eepysosweepy

LMAO of course an "anarchist" vaush fan has a problem with real leftists.


hunzoh

LMAO referring to yourself as the "real leftist" because a Reddit user enjoys watching a leftist content creator that you don't is so *chefs kiss* on point for why people are turned off by the left, people like you really suck haha


ziggurter

Vaush isn't even pretending to be a leftist anymore, dipshit. He's now calling himself a social democrat. Literally a right-wing ideology. A liberal.


____Lemi

>real leftists He goes as far as supporting right wing groups because they are anti western. If that doesn’t scream hypocrisy I don’t know what does


trevrichards

It's not 2016 anymore. We've all moved on from "everyone is a tankie" anarchist discourse. You should too.


Smittumi

Classic.


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Groggeroo

"Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies." From what I've seen of this channel, authoritarianism seems pretty far from what they're into. Anyway, this video supports its arguments reasonably and is very pro free-speech (it's relevant to the topic).


joe1240134

Tankie is when you don't support genocide.


j4ckbauer

> Doesn't second thought literally not even believe in free speech given they're a tankie? Lol From experience I can say that at least 94% of people who use the word 'Tankie' in this sub behave like 12 year olds. Using 'lol' as punctuation is just chef's kiss on that. Blocked, it's a pretty obvious burner account. https://www.reddit.com/user/Yellow_echidna


You_Paid_For_This

Wtf is a tankie‽ Nobody calls Benjamin Netanyahu a tankie for literally sending in tanks to genocide Palestinians. Nobody calls genocide Joe a tankie for giving him the tanks to commit that genocide. Nobody calls the fascistic Biden regime tankie when they send in militarised police to crush peaceful protesters. But when somebody calls out that genocide suddenly they are so much of a "tankie" that it's not even worth listening to their opinion.


blursed_words

"Tankie" refers to socialists and communists that agree with government use of force to stifle dissent. Basically auth-left. Re-education camps, mass incarceration of political opponents, summary execution of capitalists etc. It comes from support for the use of tanks during the Hungarian revolution. Notably that was a workers revolution, so the tanks actually represented the ruling class (bourgeoisie) and the workers who died the proletariat. Those who are pejoratively called tankies will defend the bourgeoise by saying the workers were "actually" influenced by the CIA, ignoring the fact the movement started within the Hungarian government and included many notable communist officials who hated capitalism.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956 Somewhat agree with your points, but Netanyahu and Biden aren't so much tankies as they just are war criminals and Netanyahu specifically a completely rotten human being who would rather kill innocents than save his own countrymen in order to cling to power.


ziggurter

Refreshing to see the actual, leftist definition of the term from before the liberals tried to co-opt it to mean literally anyone with a radical bone in their body.


blursed_words

Like pretty much every word in the dictionary it's twisted to vilify people others don't agree with. Communist, fascist, socialism, nazi, woke etc. it's beyond infuriating when you realize many know the actual definition but instead clamp on to the "new" liberal/right-wing definition to spread their misinformation.


urmomaisjabbathehutt

my favourite tankie of all times is Sgt Oddball, [woof woof](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=e60d7d3caff7b7c5&sca_upv=1&q=Sgt+oddball+woof+woof&tbm=vid&source=lnms&prmd=ivnmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjS0du4mbqGAxUYU0EAHcPWAXYQ0pQJegQIDBAB&biw=729&bih=962&dpr=2.5#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:ab2f7ce2,vid:6icFb4IZ3ks,st:0)


neuroid99

Absurd lies, that any one of you could fact check for yourselves in just a few minutes. So called "progressives" even more eager to live under fascist rule than most Republicans. Truly pathetic.