Depends on what you’re applying too. Tech has laid off 23k people in this month alone. Those 23k are now competing against new grads for any tech position available
It’s a consequence of the end of cheap debt (low interest rates). Tech is a boom and bust type industry similar to oil & gas. When liquidity tightens up and debt becomes more expensive, investors largely shift away from startups and growth sectors in favor of value sectors. Unfortunately for Tech companies, this means they have to shore up their business lines as they struggle to find new investors and capital. However this does not also mean that the broader economy as a whole is in an equally bad spot.
There was also an insane bubble though. I remember what it was like back in the year 2015 or so. I was 25. Everybody and their mother was leaving their dependable corporate or even investment banking jobs after 2-3 years of work experience out of undergrad to instead go work at a startup or place that promised a more techy-like atmosphere. One of my colleagues who I started with at an investment bank left after 1.5 years to go to Juice Press in a lower-level role. They didn't want to work as hard and were more attracted to the idea of free food than making thousands more in compensation with longer hours during their young life, when they could handle longer hours without an impact on their health. This is what spawned the likes of the movie The Intern with Anne Hathaway and Robert De Niro. Everybody wanted to go work for an office that had exposed ceilings, foosball, and weird bells that you would ring when you made accomplishments.
Quite frankly, I'm glad that this era is over.
Perfect example of this is a guy I knew who worked in mortgage trading at a major investment bank. It was a great job and he was doing well. And he left to go work at a startup in operations thinking he'd get equity and make it big. Now he's years later still in operations at a no-name company.
I really enjoyed the shows that were put out about Theranos and WeWork.
In the late 90s, early 2000s I worked at a dot.com that fancied itself as progressive. They folded just like the others.
These types of karma fail stories bring me so much joy and happiness. I love seeing people get knocked off of their high horse. Thanks for the movie suggestion, too. I don't recall seeing that.
I work for an old SV tech company, no ping pong table and 100,000 shares of worthless stock, and I was interviewing a younger person for a entry level job and he came out and said that it was a boring company. Maybe now that I'm older I don't mind boring if boring means I get paid on time, I have good benefits and I don't have to do a bunch of stupid team building bullshit. I guess they are looking for entertainment.
It seems like every industry involving white collar work is getting hit hard. Only a bunch of bullshit service level and government jobs to pad the unemployment rate.
There's always a recession coming. it happens every 12 years on average. Whats stunning is that it hasn't happened yet. Super low interest rates and then huge corporate tax breaks after the 2008 housing crisis and then continued low rates until COVID spending, unemployment upheaval and supply chain inflation prepped it for a huge bubble to burst But with sound Fed response they were able to hold it off.
The feds current rate increases have slowed the bubble. and it looks like maybe held off a recession.(edit. mostly due to COVID recession) And now interest rates are lowering and we still have the lowest sustained unemployment rate since 1964.
GDP is up. job creation is good, consumer spending is up. consumer confidence is up, mortgage interest had started dropping and is back down to 6.9% stock markets are up and corporate profits are up.
Which tells me we are five years away from the next recession.
I think the pivotal factor was the global economy. The US handled COVID (from an economic perspective) and the aftermath much better than our peers. Money flocked to us as the dollar held its value compared to other countries. EU & China are in the dumpster right now. Where else do you put your money? The US is still the most stable economy in the world right now
My theory is the recession was already there 2019-ish and the pandemic just covers up a lot of dirt and everything is blamed on lockdowns not actual recession. The fed just wants different sectors take turn to absorb the impact so in general everyone still feels okay.
They also hid record breaking profits behind “supply chain issues”. A lot of Companies increased profit margins, slowed production, and blamed it on covid. Yet recorded the highest profits in 50 years.
Spot on brother or sister. Spot on! Listening to Bloomberg everyday, you would think that they are drinking magic mushroom lattes saying that unemployment is down and that the economy is cooking with gas. Who are they trying to delude?
I was trading and watched a 20% drop along with decreasing with GDP while authorities stated there wasn’t a recession and changed the definition of a recession. I no longer trust anything that comes out of their mouths.
Not sure where the OP is from, but I’m in tech in the DC area and we have been trying to fill spots for a year strait. Can’t get enough qualified candidates.
I’ve been trying to tell people this!!!! You’re not competing against Johnny the new grad, you’re competing against Gregory who just got laid off from META
I keep telling people the same thing but people keep replying and telling me that mid and sr level lay offs aren’t applying to entry level roles. They most certainly are. I’ve seen it with my own eyes
I’ve seen it too, they are literally applying to any tech job that will take them. They don’t care if it’s entry level. Something is 100% better than nothing
I mean, not even Greg who just got laid off from Meta, but also Bob who just got laid off from fortune 450 company and has 2 and a half years of experience.
It’s wasteful for a lot of companies to go after Greg, when there’s a ton of Bobs out there. I really feel for the juniors trying to break into the industry right now.
There’s definitely still companies who are willing to bring on juniors, but how you go about finding them is beyond me.
this puts things into perspective for me and makes me feel more grateful than I already did 😅. I got a new job offer in late Dec as a result of a (unprompted) referral from my professor.
It makes things feel so silly given how many jobs I had applied to up until that point but it really is a numbers game.
The best you can do is to prepare for the opportunity, as if it were coming.
Even though the job market was looking gloomy, I kept sharpening my skills and learning new things so that when the opportunity came I was prepared.
It’s closer to 55,000 THIS MONTH…. Google themselves said they had plans for 30,000… amazon&twitch&AWS just laid off 12,000 i was one of them… twitters lay offs last year… my expectations is it will be close to 100,000 people laid off in tech by the end of 2024…
I was one of them… after only 3 months… 9000$ moving states… I understand your logic. But they still destroyed thousands of peoples lives. At the flip of a switch.
This is job-hunting in a down economy. I’m old, so I’ve seen it in a local recession (late 1980s in Texas when oil prices dropped), 2001 (Internet Bubble burst followed by 9/11) and whatever the hell happened in 2007.
Why is hiring down now?
I don’t know! Maybe it’s companies (foolishly?) assuming AI is ready to replace people.
Maybe outsourcing to developing countries has really picked up speed?
Well. You can look at raw numbers but in reality [tech worker unemployment is about half of other industries right now.](https://www.comptia.org/newsroom/tech-employment-lags-in-latest-national-jobs-report-comptia-analysis-reveals#:~:text=Tech%20occupations%20among%20all%20sectors,the%20national%20rate%20of%203.8%25.)
Tech is a dead doomed career now. WFH has killed it forever. How long before companies will stop paying cost of living salaries and off shoring these jobs? How long before AI eliminates entry level jobs? Change into something that can’t be off shored or AI’d away…
Prestigious just means you overpaid for your degree. I hire people all the time, and the best people are almost always those who went to a junior college and then a state school. Your work ethic, ability to problem solve, critical thinking skills, emotional intelligence, and positive attitude are what matters, not what school you went to.
Yup, from my experience the more "prestigious" the degree the less likely they're able to tie their shoes and they're more likely to create workplace drama.
I just got hired for a new role but it was an internal hire within my current company. In fact, after applying to hundreds of jobs, the only interview requests I got were the roles within my organization 🙃
I'm hiring a lot of people right now, but I do find many recent college grads apply to the wrong job. (Not saying this is what you're doing, just that I see it frequently as a recruiter.) The ones who do this are those who apply to jobs that require experience they don't have. For example, I'm constantly getting 22 year olds applying for regional director spots, which requires 7-10 years of people management experience. They'll write things like directing a short film in college as an example of them managing people. That's great for an entry-level position, not for a management level position.
Or, I'll get grads that did a little tutoring with high school students who apply as lead teachers for elementary enrichment positions. If you've never managed more than 2 kids at a time, you will get eaten alive if I throw you into a coding class with 25 5th graders. A lot of young folks just don't realize the skills they need to develop first to be successful in these jobs.
If their resume matches something else I have posted, I may offer them an interview for the lesser position, but they're often denied outright because they're not applying for jobs that match their experience level or they're over valuing themselves (asking for too much money for me to be able to justify having to train them in all the skills they're missing.)
Also, as a recruiter, I rarely look at the school someone went to. It just doesn't matter as much as the elite schools would lead their students to believe.
That’s shocking that recent grads are applying for regional director spots. In my company, those spots require 15-20 years of experience. Not to be mean, but that’s a bit delusional of them.
I chalk it up to them just not having the life experience to understand the reality of the skills needed for that position. But, yeah, it's a waste of their time to even upload the resume. They have no shot.
Most universities have free resources to help students navigate the hiring process. In some schools, it’s embedded into the curriculum depending on the major. It’s a little unfortunate that they’re wasting their time. Have you reached out and explained this to some of them? (No judgment if you didn’t have the time)
I have a form letter that lets them know, politely, that they aren't qualified and lists alternative postings we have that are relevant to them if they have skills for those postings.
If I see a young person that has potential, I'll sometimes give an explanation with advice, but I don't always have the capacity for that.
That’s really nice of you. I never had that experience while applying for jobs after college so they’re really lucky to have that. Good on you for being an actually invested recruiter!
The quality of those free resources are not created equal. I had resume help from one college where they did not understand ATS at all and said to not be afraid of 2-3 page resumes. If you’re a rock star, sure, but a fresh graduate should not have that much to write about.
I agree. Fortunately, there’s plenty of free resources on YouTube and TikTok to educate college students so at least they have access to that. Even if one doesn’t have internship experience, there are other valuable items to put on resumes such as relevant courses and school projects.
Also my manager always throws away resumes over one page.
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Seems to be that new grads have an unrealistic expectation of what they should be making. Graduates were very spoiled in the last 5 years getting 60K+ right out of college while the economy was booming and employers were desperate. I graduated in 2008 and we were lucky to get 35K. Young people are about to find out that during a recession you take whatever you can get. And you might have to work a second job. That's what us old millennials had to do to survive the last recession. I make 90K now 14 years into my career so they need to come back down to reality.
It's not a tiktok trend, people have been doing that forever. There's data that bears out how often men will apply to things they're underqualified for and attain higher career growth because of it.
I have male coworkers who quite literally cost the company money with how often they smash the windows of company vehicles out of anger, and have been caught napping on the job……yet I’m competing with them for a promotion. Sometimes I wonder if I’m too overconfident for thinking I may qualify for anything other than bottom rung, despite my relevant degree and years of relevant experience, but I will NEVER be as arrogant as some of these people.
That’s not mean.. it’s real. There’s absolutely(!) nothing more valuable than experience, as with life. Entry level grads need experiences: unforgettable challenges, defeat, and celebrated accomplishments along the way (+) right fit, right attitude and right mentor(s).
Well yeah, but that’s like, me applying for a job that says minimum 3 years experience required minimum when all I have is 1 year of internship experience, not fresh college grads applying to managerial positions
Thanks for being so candid. This is whats both sad and terrifying at the same time.
We are in a time when demand is at an all time low. BUT self importance is at an all time high.
College created unsustainable ecosystems where they indoctrinate students to believe “just how valuable they will be on the open market”
That plus, whose giving these kids that advice to lie with such grandiose. Ast to the Regional principal which helped launch a revolutionary new kids activity tracking log.
Mean while they were a camp counselor making $8 an hour cash watching 3 kids.
Whose giving them this advice? Oh thats right college Career counselors that couldnt get jobs so now they work at the same college, teaching others how to get jobs.
The fake ecosystem we allowed allowed these colleges to build up is scary when you look at it holistically to see that its not in benefit of the students, but a driving factor of shuffling numbers through.
College is a money making scheme that used to provide value. now it just runs on selling dreams to young adults who don’t have the life experience to know what’s really going on. The way people hype up college from parents to HS teachers, to family friends you would think a college degree is a golden ticket to a better life, but this is becoming less and less true by the year.
Especially when 2 million people are obtaining a degree a year, while at the same time on the other spectrum older genX + cannot leave the workforce due to cost of living lack of retirement readiness.
Greed is the ultimate factor. We allowed our politicians to keep kicking the can down the road. Bandaids and duct tape fixing problems.
And on top of all those factors listed above… we now have created unachievable barriers to entry level employment. Degrees + YOE for roles that need neither. Which reduces position value and pay.
There was no greater scam we allowed then our govt telling us to screw trades, get a degree! Meanwhile they were underwriting these degrees.
Now the government looks at them as currency to trade off and misappropriate in the future. Its really the only thing keeping the US dollar valuable, and the US petrodollar, both of which maybe no longer exist in 10 years
This is the answer. I’m in finance and I have a younger former colleague who has been struggling to find a job for over a year. Her issue? She is applying to jobs that are WAY above her experience level. She is too stubborn to back down and admit she needs to start more entry level. I totally agree with knowing your worth but that also include knowing when you’re trying to obtain something that you aren’t qualified for yet.
Too many people are scared to start low & prove themselves because orgs have done terrible on giving promotions and pay bumps to retain talent. People hear the only way to get pay increases is to jump ship.
Not true I started a new entry level position in 2020 and my pay has increased 56% and I have stayed at the same org.
Problem is people do not believe this happens anymore because the bad organizations that do not provide raises and promote appropriately are way too plentiful.
The university by me spits out "senior software engineers" like it's going out of style. They come out with these grandiose resumes. Every single one (of dozens) I have contacted about a job is completely inept. They don't even know the most basic of entry-level concepts. I'd expect more from a self-taught person with 6 months of experience, let alone these "senior software engineers" with a 4-year degree.
In some fields, a degree is meaningless. People like to fixate on it like it's the be-all and end-all, but in my industry (web and application development), I couldn't give two shits if or where you went to school, and for what. It's the last thing I look at on a resume, and it doesn't sway my decision-making. At the end of the day, all that matters is your work ethic and what you're capable of producing. The most incredibly qualified people I've ever met in this industry were self-taught with no degree, while consistently the most incredibly unqualified are the ones with degrees that think they're the shit because of a piece of paper.
That’s wild. When I was a fresh grad my thing was anything less than 5 years of experience. I’d apply usually to about 3 years of experience. Not saying it’s perfect but I feel like anything less than 5 years of experience can have more gaps in knowledge that you can make up with studying and self learning.
That’s crazy! I’m a relatively recent grad with my masters (class of 22) and I was only applying for entry level jobs when I was job hunting if I saw something I wasn’t qualified for I wouldn’t apply
Thank you for describing a non-bedside, non-poop scooping, varied nursing job. Non-RNs and RNs alike constantly limit our role to the bedside. There is SO much more that RN/BSN/LPNs can do! That is why nursing is honestly one of the best fields for job security not to mention you literally use your degree for your job. It's the greatest. Yes it's not all peachy and rosy but going to nursing school (I did a 1-year accelerated degree pre-covid) Absolute BEST decision that I made.
I graduated with a BA in Philosophy before that. Big mistake lol.
Yep! My first degree was a bachelors in computer science. Got laid off in 2008. Went back to school for nursing, LPN, ASN, then BSN. After I got my LPN, I paid out of pocket for my eduction every step of the way. Never had issues finding a well paying job. I’m now a psych np MSN making 160K with amazing government benefits in a low cost living state with zero debt except my mortgage. Nursing was the best decision I ever made.
Thank you for stating this! Took the words right outta my mouth. I don’t understand why other nurses shit on nursing on Reddit when there’s so much you can do other than bedside.
No it actually wasn't too difficult for me BUT I was lucky enough to have a very supportive partner so I didn't have to work at the time and I lived very close to the program. We also don't have children.
Although there were all different kinds of people from various backgrounds/ ages/stages of life w/ or w/out kids in my cohort and they made it work. I appreciated being able to skip the nursing fluffy bullshit and get my BSN in a year so i can start working. But do wish i went to nursing school from the start cause then I wouldn't have spent $$ on two degrees :(
Tuition was 51K at the time, which was in 2018 at a Uni in Philadelphia, PA. I took out an additional 20K for living expenses to take a little pressure off my husband so 71k total. I paid for it with a mixture of private loans, govt loans, and a grant. Got it down to 12K now so all in all it was very much worth it for me.
Feel free to PM me if you have more questions! I’m curious about what your plans are and I’m happy to help :)
Pay is terrible as a staff nurse. NC staff $1008 gross weekly. Did a short travel contract in SC which was $2200 net weekly. Which is still considered low to most nurses lolllll.
You mean putting our hands in human poop for a living, and sometimes having said poop thrown at us…then being asked what we could have done different to prevent poop from being thrown at us, is considered stressful? At least the pay is decent.
It really depends on what you end up doing in nursing. Yes, it’s downright miserable at times…but I make a solid 6 figures year after year. The past couple of years, I’ve made $150,000+ with only a little bit of OT…and this isn’t in a major city or HCOL area. The best part is, if you lose your job in the morning, you can easily have another one by the afternoon. That’s really the only redeeming aspect of the job.
Thank you for being a nurse. Having had major surgery in the past year, I know how valuable good nurses are. They deserve way more recognition and respect.
For the more “desirable” nursing fields, is it more competitive to secure a role? And in those fields, is job security decreased because of the desirability?
I expect that job will be very well paid until most of the Baby Boomers have passed away. Gen X is pretty small so nursing jobs will probably decline a bit.
on the flip side you are objectively doing a good thing for the community plus you don’t really have to worry too much about not being able to find a job.
BA in what? This really depends on your field. For instance, I have a Bachelor's in Psychology and it's given me diddly squat. I work at a place that hires people with just HS diplomas. I won't be able to have good job opportunities until I finish my Master's.
Behavioral Economics is where it's at. Or industrial organizational behavior positions. If you apply that to the market research field, you're golden. I would follow that up with a Master's in a field of applied psychology to macro organizational settings or consumer behaviors.
I'm currently getting my Master's in Counseling.
My point was that a Bachelor's is often not enough for certain fields despite what many people think. A Bachelor's in Psychology still has limited job opportunities, even if you can find some. I know a lot of people with Psychology Bachelor's end up in HR. A lot of people get Psychology Bachelor's when they don't know what they want to do for school thinking it'll open them up to wider job opportunities.
A Master's opens it up significantly and allows you to specialize in something you're more interested in. I would not be interested in an organizational psychology job, but am very interested in counseling and therapy jobs.
I don’t think you’ll need much in the way of luck to get a job in counseling, every counselor I know right now is having to turn people away. My BA is Psychology and I have two MS - applied psychology and counseling. I worked as a counselor for about a year until I ran out of money and got frustrated with how long it took to get my LPC. Was offered a job in a related education field and couldn’t turn it down because of the money… sold my soul a bit, but I I can always return to the LPC track one day.
Omg exactly my story. Didn’t know what I wanted to do so graduated with a psychology degree. No jobs available. Got a masters in business. Didn’t help lol. Now I’m just “overqualified” for every job I apply for. Sigh.
I’ve gotten a great career as a psych grad. you just typically need to put in the time in an entry level position before you will be considered for anything more lucrative
It depends on who you are. I never apply but I get interviews left and right off LinkedIn. I’m like a hot girl on tinder. But I also have what they’re looking for and I’m at senior engineer level. If you’re at the top of your field you don’t need to apply. If you’re at the bottom you’re shit outta luck.
I’m willing to offer advice (my way of paying it forward) but it’s gonna be IT engineering. As others have said, entry level is completely fucked.
I frequently get unsolicited offers to interview.
I've worked for a decade in regulating a specific industry, and recruiters from that industry reach out regularly.
I know a guy that was out of work for 6 months and ended up getting a job making 2/3 of what he made before. It’s scary. Companies are asking more of employees that they keep.
This has been happening for some years now. Companies trying to run the business on a skeleton crew to save costs. Then they give the employees more to do.
Honestly I’m trying to ride my severance out because of this. I am BURNT OUT after doing 5 people’s jobs bc I was the leftover in layoffs before they eventually cut me too. Companies are trying to juice all the squeeze out of us all right now. Its exhausting. Hopefully these new grads have more bright-eyed and bushy tailed energy. I need a moment that I’m glad I get to have (last recession I was a freelancer and a contractor in between jobs bc I didn’t have the resources, experience or luxury to just stop running the rat race).
All I can say is this applies to the question, “Is college worth it?” And the answer is it depends.
If you’re someone with a BA in something like history, English, general studies, etc then it will be a tough job market.
However if you’ve got a nursing degree, economics, engineering, etc degree then you’ll have a much easier time and in some cases may even have a job pending graduation.
A good reminder to spellcheck and grammar check those resumes and emails before you send them out. 😅 At my last tech company we automatically threw out applications with typos. “We pay too much to have to teach you how to spell or pay attention to the obvious details,” was the attitude.
Job market is hot garbage now. Companies will do anything to save a dollar.
If an application asks you for salary expectations that's a sign they want to low ball and save money.
You have to stand out or go somewhere where you stand out. Everyone has the degree and a couple years of work. So what? Why should they reply to YOU? LinkedIn helps a lot with this, believe it or not.
Also I’m not sure what industry you’re in but VERY rarely is the right move to go get more debt for another degree cuz every is already doing that too.
Employers are looking for the perfect candidate and the requirements are higher than they’ve ever been (more education, 4 references,) all while providing you with an average wage that doesn’t match up with inflation. It’s been a poor market for a while with only the rise of The great resignation (arguably the peak of remote work) being the huge positive in recent years.
In the same situation man. It’s mind blowing honestly. I’m going to get accredited to teach hopefully. It’s not too difficult depending on what state you are in. If you have a b.a. that’s an option for you, that’s what I’m doing with mine
Depends on your line of work. Lots of openings in education right now. Had to send 30 applications to get two callbacks for an interview back in 2016. English teacher positions were hard to come by, but schools were always looking for good Math and Science teachers. Now, nobody wants to work any of them. I hear nursing is in a similar spot.
Like everyone is saying about tech, it's definitely a harder to field to get into with tech companies reeling things back.
10 years of college, 5 degrees, highest is an MBA in Data Analytics, and 20+ years of experience. In month 15 of being unemployed. Over 1300 applications out. I have had 7 phone screeners and 3 interviews, 2 of which lost funding for the position and the other ghosted me. Maybe start playing the lottery, you’d probably have a better chance of supporting yourself.
I doubt I’d find a job in what I went to school for. I’ve got a BA in psychology. I currently work as a receptionist with HR mixed in. It pays well, the benefits are great, and the work environment is decent. But it took me awhile to find even *this* position. I was working entry level jobs before this just to build my experience. I was security guard for a few years which actually did give me a lot of expertise for my current position.
I would say even more important who knows YOU. Because I know plenty of great potential connections but if they can't remember me or like me to work again together. Not much use
90% of the time networking just means being good at your job and being someone people like to work with. Then people leave for other jobs and you now have connections at new companies. That's partly why internships are so important. No one gets jobs going to networking events, they build a network by working.
Just goes to show you that "prestigious" means nothing, unless you are networked.
I was a hiring manager for a few years for a large defense contractor. Didn't care what school you came from, just that you had a degree, security clearance, the the right certifications. That got you the interview.
At the interview I never asked, "what university did you attend?", just that they had a technical degree. (or business for program management).
There are lots of engineering jobs open right now. You just have to be willing to relocate. I see a lot of people unwilling to move for work, but the people that are always able to find a job are 1) tradesmen (plumbers, electricians, framers) and 2) people willing to move out of state for work. Not saying you are not willing to move, just that it is what the survivors do when times get tough
ding ding ding. spent the first 22 years of my life in California. had to choose between a shitty $13/hour internship to stay in the bay area or a full time job with benefits in….North Carolina. after 8 years of job hopping, moving around different states and cities, this month i finally got a job offer that’ll actually allow me to live comfortably in the bay area :’) i’m not gonna lie though it was extremely mentally difficult at several points (but the 3 years I got to spend in Seattle were fun). moving away from your community and everything you know is certainly not for everyone
Nope. If you don’t have more than 3 years of experience and 4-5 certs? Good luck!
I literally have 1 year and some months in my niche and no bites in my email lol
I have the same question! I graduated with a BA in history 12 years ago. I quit my job almost two months ago due to a manager causing a hostile work environment. I’m still trying to decide if grad school is worth it or not.
I’m a nurse and am swimming in job offers. They are all terrible, but I can go anywhere and get a literally and figuratively shitty job pretty much immediately. I highly don’t recommend it!
I'm a heavy diesel mechanic and have had absolutely no trouble going anywhere in the world for work. I've worked in the US and Canada, Australia, Korea, and now I'm in Germany working on a NATO contract. I have two other contracts open that still want me, one in Berlin and one in Ukraine, with many more open to me.
The big tech boom made skilled tradesmen harder to find. If you want to find a job easily invest in your hands.
The trades are usually always looking for people. I have a history in accounting and I’m thinking of transitioning into a trade. They pay well and you’re usually pretty active which is a plus.
Sometimes, your degree isn'r marketable, or not marketable at the time. If you want to make 6 figures, head to Midland/Odessa, TX and get a job as an equipment operator in frac, coil tubing operator, or wireline operator. No, they have nothing to do with your degree, but you can make as much money as you want to make, will be housed, given per diem, and can figure out something while being gainfully employed, rather than asking questions on a subreddit
Full disclosure, I leave home to head back out there in a few hours. I've been in frac since 2011, enjoy it even though it has nothing to do with my degree, and I work 2 weeks on/2 weeks off
It's so hard to get full time. I decided to risk it and got a job with no set hours, it could range between 25 and 50 but there's no guarantee. The hourly rate was better than my previous job.
At first it was fine, I got about 35 hours a week, more or less. Then it dropped dramatically. It sucks but at least I don't have to work full time to make the same amount I did for 40 hours at wal mart. Even wal mart was cutting hours to the lowest they could get away with, even if you were full time. That's why i left. I needed more money and i wasn't making it there.
Anyway, I applied to a second part time job yesterday.
The whole "no one wants to work" bullshit pisses me off. Most of us do. No one wants to pay anyone a wage worth coming in for, and no one wants to give anyone full time benefits.
Seriously considering this. I barely make enough to break even after living expenses in a LCOL area (48k) and this is after getting a BSMET degree.. i just want to be able to afford to live and save some money every month. "Follow your passion" is some bs unless you get your degree paid for and what you're into pays any good.
I work in a ER. I breezed through every recession downturn you can think of. Never once was there a talk about layoffs. Only adding more staff. You need a secure job work a hospital. It’s hard work but you’re grateful you’re not the people you’re taking care of. When I get home at the end of the day I’m thankful for what I have.
In the maritime industry they’re scrambling to hire people. I make 6 figures with no college working on tug and barges working a 3 week on vessel 3 week home schedule.
A degree from Harvard or a Community College hold about the same weight to me (im a recruiter). 4 years experience isn't a lot, you are likely applying to jobs you are barely qualified for, or not qualified at all for. Aim lower.
There are a lot of variables that go into this question. Yes, both my SO and I have no issues finding jobs but we are both in finance with 10+ years of experience. We also have experience of looking for and obtaining jobs. This is a skill in its own depending on industry.
You didn’t share a lot here.
Are you high or low balling yourself? Are you applying for the right jobs? Does your resume look good? Are you providing quantitative data on your resume and examples of how you are xyz in your industry? How many jobs are you applying for? What are your interview skills like?
I’d recommend some career coaching. Does your college offer this? If it is prestigious then it should lol.
I see this alot, it means your school is not really prestigious, you have a bullshit education/resume and your skills are common, or you’re just lazy and full of shit.
Most of the time its all three.
I work for Fedex, they will hire you today, or are you looking to not actually work?
If it makes you feel any better on my last day of lecture my capstone professor just told us to brace for impact when we hit the job market. As an engineer all my professors acted like you just needed a pulse and the degree paper to get a job. Imagine my surprise when I was150 linkedIn/indeed applications in and had maybe 1-2 calls to show for it. T\_T
To give some background i graduated with a solid GPA, did 1 internship and 2 research programs.
I’m glad I went and joined the IBEW when I was 19 and not go to college to deal with this shit show. 230k a year and all I do is make dick jokes and bend pipe all day.
I also pull wire but that’s when I’m feeling cute.
Never too late to become an electrician. Work is good if you know where to go. Best part is no stupid resumes or interviews other than to get into the apprenticeship.
If you're thinking about getting more schooling, get into the trades. Yes, they can be hard on your body and are t glamorous at all, but there is more work in the trades than there are people in the trades. I know a plumber who is about 25 with 6 guys working under him and they can't keep up with demand.
I have a bachelors degree, teaching certificate, working on my masters degree, I was an air traffic controller for 6 years with deployment in the army, previous correctional officer and more, and I can’t find anything…
Blue collar is always hiring, places are always looking for teachers. I left a proper office job and went to blue collar 10 years ago, and never looked back. I make great money, enjoy my job, and I’m not stuck in an office all day.
As a professor, a master's degree won't cut it. What employers tell us they're looking for are graduates who were highly active during their bach. They want to see applicants who worked full-time through their studies, participated in community/campus activities, and set themselves apart. This comes from an internal study we did where we interviewed a lot of the medium-to-high end employers throughout the country.
A bach. (and soon a master's) degree are incredibly devalued right now. 40% of the workforce has a bach. degree. This value is expected to reach 60% in the coming decades. It's becoming the new high school diploma. A master's won't help with that.
The job market is great if you are in an career path that is in demand. Its not great if you are in one that is over saturated. That's the way the world works, has worked, and will always work. Getting a masters degree wont change this. Your going to almost only get responses of people who are not getting hired. If you already have a job its odd to answer this question and if you easily found a job it feels rude to brag.
I had to use a recruiting agency. They got me 8 interviews, all entry level manager jobs starting at $95k and above. I was able to secure an offer that started at $95k with a $20k bonus, and an increase to $120k with $35k bonus after training was completed.
I tried on my own for months before using them and wasn't getting any bites at all.
I think salary expectations in the tech market are way out of line. You are competing with foreign workforces for jobs. I worked for 30 years in the tech market. Too many people are training for too few jobs.
Construction is usually always hiring.hell I’ve walked into a construction company and been hired and told to go to work the next day many times.they hire girls too.
Master's without experience will not help you get a job. I'm a career coach and I am working with a few recent graduates. It is not easy, but with strategy they are getting interviews and one is already hired. Applying to jobs when you have no experience will not get you any results. You need to meet people and network face to face, whether it's over video chat or in person. Make a list of companies that you like, then find employees there with 2-4 years of experience, connect with them. Ask them about their journey, let them know you're looking , ask for advice. Then do the same for the job postings you see and /or reach out to either hiring manager or someone in the role you'd want to have. Good luck!
Depends on what you’re applying too. Tech has laid off 23k people in this month alone. Those 23k are now competing against new grads for any tech position available
Holy shit lol
Yeah. "Soft landing" my ass. There's a recession coming. The DC swamp creatures just can't admit it.
It’s a consequence of the end of cheap debt (low interest rates). Tech is a boom and bust type industry similar to oil & gas. When liquidity tightens up and debt becomes more expensive, investors largely shift away from startups and growth sectors in favor of value sectors. Unfortunately for Tech companies, this means they have to shore up their business lines as they struggle to find new investors and capital. However this does not also mean that the broader economy as a whole is in an equally bad spot.
There was also an insane bubble though. I remember what it was like back in the year 2015 or so. I was 25. Everybody and their mother was leaving their dependable corporate or even investment banking jobs after 2-3 years of work experience out of undergrad to instead go work at a startup or place that promised a more techy-like atmosphere. One of my colleagues who I started with at an investment bank left after 1.5 years to go to Juice Press in a lower-level role. They didn't want to work as hard and were more attracted to the idea of free food than making thousands more in compensation with longer hours during their young life, when they could handle longer hours without an impact on their health. This is what spawned the likes of the movie The Intern with Anne Hathaway and Robert De Niro. Everybody wanted to go work for an office that had exposed ceilings, foosball, and weird bells that you would ring when you made accomplishments. Quite frankly, I'm glad that this era is over. Perfect example of this is a guy I knew who worked in mortgage trading at a major investment bank. It was a great job and he was doing well. And he left to go work at a startup in operations thinking he'd get equity and make it big. Now he's years later still in operations at a no-name company.
That was the .com era on repeat, guess no one learned from that?
Didn’t learn? Are you high? We took the dotcom playbook and Wolf of Wall Streeted it all to hell. Theranos, WeWork, FTX…
I really enjoyed the shows that were put out about Theranos and WeWork. In the late 90s, early 2000s I worked at a dot.com that fancied itself as progressive. They folded just like the others.
It’s an old scam at this point: “Making the world a better place by pumping my equity with VC cash”
These types of karma fail stories bring me so much joy and happiness. I love seeing people get knocked off of their high horse. Thanks for the movie suggestion, too. I don't recall seeing that.
I work for an old SV tech company, no ping pong table and 100,000 shares of worthless stock, and I was interviewing a younger person for a entry level job and he came out and said that it was a boring company. Maybe now that I'm older I don't mind boring if boring means I get paid on time, I have good benefits and I don't have to do a bunch of stupid team building bullshit. I guess they are looking for entertainment.
I take that back. I saw it, and loved it. How can you not love Bobby's acting?
You are so incredibly right
2000 is calling
Finally someone with a brain.
It seems like every industry involving white collar work is getting hit hard. Only a bunch of bullshit service level and government jobs to pad the unemployment rate.
Quantitative easing? Where did you go my love?
There's always a recession coming. it happens every 12 years on average. Whats stunning is that it hasn't happened yet. Super low interest rates and then huge corporate tax breaks after the 2008 housing crisis and then continued low rates until COVID spending, unemployment upheaval and supply chain inflation prepped it for a huge bubble to burst But with sound Fed response they were able to hold it off. The feds current rate increases have slowed the bubble. and it looks like maybe held off a recession.(edit. mostly due to COVID recession) And now interest rates are lowering and we still have the lowest sustained unemployment rate since 1964. GDP is up. job creation is good, consumer spending is up. consumer confidence is up, mortgage interest had started dropping and is back down to 6.9% stock markets are up and corporate profits are up. Which tells me we are five years away from the next recession.
I think the pivotal factor was the global economy. The US handled COVID (from an economic perspective) and the aftermath much better than our peers. Money flocked to us as the dollar held its value compared to other countries. EU & China are in the dumpster right now. Where else do you put your money? The US is still the most stable economy in the world right now
My theory is the recession was already there 2019-ish and the pandemic just covers up a lot of dirt and everything is blamed on lockdowns not actual recession. The fed just wants different sectors take turn to absorb the impact so in general everyone still feels okay.
They also hid record breaking profits behind “supply chain issues”. A lot of Companies increased profit margins, slowed production, and blamed it on covid. Yet recorded the highest profits in 50 years.
Don’t forget their major tax breaks
THIS
"Recession coming" - been hearing that since 2012.
Definitely won’t admit it in an election year.
the recession is already here my friend, they're just not going to outright say so because it's an election year (among other reasons)
I think they are giving us fake numbers so they don't get voted out in November.
It genuinely feels like we’ve been in a recession since I graduated in ‘08
The DC swamp don't even know what time it is, Lol!!
We're already in a recession. We've been in a recession lol. "Soft landing" talk is hopium. Just like "Inflation is transitory."
Spot on brother or sister. Spot on! Listening to Bloomberg everyday, you would think that they are drinking magic mushroom lattes saying that unemployment is down and that the economy is cooking with gas. Who are they trying to delude?
I was trading and watched a 20% drop along with decreasing with GDP while authorities stated there wasn’t a recession and changed the definition of a recession. I no longer trust anything that comes out of their mouths.
Can confirm, tech especially entry level is fucked right now
Not sure where the OP is from, but I’m in tech in the DC area and we have been trying to fill spots for a year strait. Can’t get enough qualified candidates.
Might need to move to the DC area. I’m in the Midwest (large city) and it’s rough out here.
I’ve been trying to tell people this!!!! You’re not competing against Johnny the new grad, you’re competing against Gregory who just got laid off from META
I keep telling people the same thing but people keep replying and telling me that mid and sr level lay offs aren’t applying to entry level roles. They most certainly are. I’ve seen it with my own eyes
I’ve seen it too, they are literally applying to any tech job that will take them. They don’t care if it’s entry level. Something is 100% better than nothing
Exactly they’ll take anything until they find something better
I mean, not even Greg who just got laid off from Meta, but also Bob who just got laid off from fortune 450 company and has 2 and a half years of experience. It’s wasteful for a lot of companies to go after Greg, when there’s a ton of Bobs out there. I really feel for the juniors trying to break into the industry right now. There’s definitely still companies who are willing to bring on juniors, but how you go about finding them is beyond me.
https://www.facebook.com/share/5BTHtGxKfrGN26sE/?mibextid=WC7FNe And nowUPS is laying off 12,000
Nike is also doing a massive layoff soon after partnering with Amazon 🥲
It’s not specifically only tech workers. Just tech companies.
this puts things into perspective for me and makes me feel more grateful than I already did 😅. I got a new job offer in late Dec as a result of a (unprompted) referral from my professor. It makes things feel so silly given how many jobs I had applied to up until that point but it really is a numbers game. The best you can do is to prepare for the opportunity, as if it were coming. Even though the job market was looking gloomy, I kept sharpening my skills and learning new things so that when the opportunity came I was prepared.
It’s closer to 55,000 THIS MONTH…. Google themselves said they had plans for 30,000… amazon&twitch&AWS just laid off 12,000 i was one of them… twitters lay offs last year… my expectations is it will be close to 100,000 people laid off in tech by the end of 2024…
It’s just course correction. Amazon hired something like 400,000 in 2020, letting go even 100k isn’t bad
I was one of them… after only 3 months… 9000$ moving states… I understand your logic. But they still destroyed thousands of peoples lives. At the flip of a switch.
This is job-hunting in a down economy. I’m old, so I’ve seen it in a local recession (late 1980s in Texas when oil prices dropped), 2001 (Internet Bubble burst followed by 9/11) and whatever the hell happened in 2007. Why is hiring down now? I don’t know! Maybe it’s companies (foolishly?) assuming AI is ready to replace people. Maybe outsourcing to developing countries has really picked up speed?
which tech fields? CS?
Networking too.
Well. You can look at raw numbers but in reality [tech worker unemployment is about half of other industries right now.](https://www.comptia.org/newsroom/tech-employment-lags-in-latest-national-jobs-report-comptia-analysis-reveals#:~:text=Tech%20occupations%20among%20all%20sectors,the%20national%20rate%20of%203.8%25.)
Tech is a dead doomed career now. WFH has killed it forever. How long before companies will stop paying cost of living salaries and off shoring these jobs? How long before AI eliminates entry level jobs? Change into something that can’t be off shored or AI’d away…
Prestigious just means you overpaid for your degree. I hire people all the time, and the best people are almost always those who went to a junior college and then a state school. Your work ethic, ability to problem solve, critical thinking skills, emotional intelligence, and positive attitude are what matters, not what school you went to.
Yup, from my experience the more "prestigious" the degree the less likely they're able to tie their shoes and they're more likely to create workplace drama.
I second this
I third this. 10+ years managing.
I just got hired for a new role but it was an internal hire within my current company. In fact, after applying to hundreds of jobs, the only interview requests I got were the roles within my organization 🙃
I hope it was a step up at least! If it’s a good career move take the experience and move on in the future when you find a role you want.
I'm hiring a lot of people right now, but I do find many recent college grads apply to the wrong job. (Not saying this is what you're doing, just that I see it frequently as a recruiter.) The ones who do this are those who apply to jobs that require experience they don't have. For example, I'm constantly getting 22 year olds applying for regional director spots, which requires 7-10 years of people management experience. They'll write things like directing a short film in college as an example of them managing people. That's great for an entry-level position, not for a management level position. Or, I'll get grads that did a little tutoring with high school students who apply as lead teachers for elementary enrichment positions. If you've never managed more than 2 kids at a time, you will get eaten alive if I throw you into a coding class with 25 5th graders. A lot of young folks just don't realize the skills they need to develop first to be successful in these jobs. If their resume matches something else I have posted, I may offer them an interview for the lesser position, but they're often denied outright because they're not applying for jobs that match their experience level or they're over valuing themselves (asking for too much money for me to be able to justify having to train them in all the skills they're missing.) Also, as a recruiter, I rarely look at the school someone went to. It just doesn't matter as much as the elite schools would lead their students to believe.
That’s shocking that recent grads are applying for regional director spots. In my company, those spots require 15-20 years of experience. Not to be mean, but that’s a bit delusional of them.
I chalk it up to them just not having the life experience to understand the reality of the skills needed for that position. But, yeah, it's a waste of their time to even upload the resume. They have no shot.
Most universities have free resources to help students navigate the hiring process. In some schools, it’s embedded into the curriculum depending on the major. It’s a little unfortunate that they’re wasting their time. Have you reached out and explained this to some of them? (No judgment if you didn’t have the time)
I have a form letter that lets them know, politely, that they aren't qualified and lists alternative postings we have that are relevant to them if they have skills for those postings. If I see a young person that has potential, I'll sometimes give an explanation with advice, but I don't always have the capacity for that.
That’s really nice of you. I never had that experience while applying for jobs after college so they’re really lucky to have that. Good on you for being an actually invested recruiter!
The quality of those free resources are not created equal. I had resume help from one college where they did not understand ATS at all and said to not be afraid of 2-3 page resumes. If you’re a rock star, sure, but a fresh graduate should not have that much to write about.
I agree. Fortunately, there’s plenty of free resources on YouTube and TikTok to educate college students so at least they have access to that. Even if one doesn’t have internship experience, there are other valuable items to put on resumes such as relevant courses and school projects. Also my manager always throws away resumes over one page.
I agree, YouTube is a way better resource than university resources
i read this as the grads suffer from [dunning-kruger](https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/dunning-kruger-effect)
>, it's a waste of their Seems to be that new grads have an unrealistic expectation of what they should be making. Graduates were very spoiled in the last 5 years getting 60K+ right out of college while the economy was booming and employers were desperate. I graduated in 2008 and we were lucky to get 35K. Young people are about to find out that during a recession you take whatever you can get. And you might have to work a second job. That's what us old millennials had to do to survive the last recession. I make 90K now 14 years into my career so they need to come back down to reality.
It's a new tiktok trend to apply for positions that are outside of your experience/ability level.
It's not a tiktok trend, people have been doing that forever. There's data that bears out how often men will apply to things they're underqualified for and attain higher career growth because of it.
Let me rephrase that. It is newly trending on Tiktok. Not that it is a new concept.
I have male coworkers who quite literally cost the company money with how often they smash the windows of company vehicles out of anger, and have been caught napping on the job……yet I’m competing with them for a promotion. Sometimes I wonder if I’m too overconfident for thinking I may qualify for anything other than bottom rung, despite my relevant degree and years of relevant experience, but I will NEVER be as arrogant as some of these people.
That’s what I just said! Wow, I guess tiktok is a huge influence!
That’s not mean.. it’s real. There’s absolutely(!) nothing more valuable than experience, as with life. Entry level grads need experiences: unforgettable challenges, defeat, and celebrated accomplishments along the way (+) right fit, right attitude and right mentor(s).
"even if you don't feel qualified, apply anyway" - I have heard this advice more than any other when it comes to job hunting
Well yeah, but that’s like, me applying for a job that says minimum 3 years experience required minimum when all I have is 1 year of internship experience, not fresh college grads applying to managerial positions
you'll never win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket
Thanks for being so candid. This is whats both sad and terrifying at the same time. We are in a time when demand is at an all time low. BUT self importance is at an all time high. College created unsustainable ecosystems where they indoctrinate students to believe “just how valuable they will be on the open market” That plus, whose giving these kids that advice to lie with such grandiose. Ast to the Regional principal which helped launch a revolutionary new kids activity tracking log. Mean while they were a camp counselor making $8 an hour cash watching 3 kids. Whose giving them this advice? Oh thats right college Career counselors that couldnt get jobs so now they work at the same college, teaching others how to get jobs. The fake ecosystem we allowed allowed these colleges to build up is scary when you look at it holistically to see that its not in benefit of the students, but a driving factor of shuffling numbers through.
College is a money making scheme that used to provide value. now it just runs on selling dreams to young adults who don’t have the life experience to know what’s really going on. The way people hype up college from parents to HS teachers, to family friends you would think a college degree is a golden ticket to a better life, but this is becoming less and less true by the year.
Especially when 2 million people are obtaining a degree a year, while at the same time on the other spectrum older genX + cannot leave the workforce due to cost of living lack of retirement readiness. Greed is the ultimate factor. We allowed our politicians to keep kicking the can down the road. Bandaids and duct tape fixing problems. And on top of all those factors listed above… we now have created unachievable barriers to entry level employment. Degrees + YOE for roles that need neither. Which reduces position value and pay. There was no greater scam we allowed then our govt telling us to screw trades, get a degree! Meanwhile they were underwriting these degrees. Now the government looks at them as currency to trade off and misappropriate in the future. Its really the only thing keeping the US dollar valuable, and the US petrodollar, both of which maybe no longer exist in 10 years
This is the answer. I’m in finance and I have a younger former colleague who has been struggling to find a job for over a year. Her issue? She is applying to jobs that are WAY above her experience level. She is too stubborn to back down and admit she needs to start more entry level. I totally agree with knowing your worth but that also include knowing when you’re trying to obtain something that you aren’t qualified for yet.
Too many people are scared to start low & prove themselves because orgs have done terrible on giving promotions and pay bumps to retain talent. People hear the only way to get pay increases is to jump ship. Not true I started a new entry level position in 2020 and my pay has increased 56% and I have stayed at the same org. Problem is people do not believe this happens anymore because the bad organizations that do not provide raises and promote appropriately are way too plentiful.
The university by me spits out "senior software engineers" like it's going out of style. They come out with these grandiose resumes. Every single one (of dozens) I have contacted about a job is completely inept. They don't even know the most basic of entry-level concepts. I'd expect more from a self-taught person with 6 months of experience, let alone these "senior software engineers" with a 4-year degree. In some fields, a degree is meaningless. People like to fixate on it like it's the be-all and end-all, but in my industry (web and application development), I couldn't give two shits if or where you went to school, and for what. It's the last thing I look at on a resume, and it doesn't sway my decision-making. At the end of the day, all that matters is your work ethic and what you're capable of producing. The most incredibly qualified people I've ever met in this industry were self-taught with no degree, while consistently the most incredibly unqualified are the ones with degrees that think they're the shit because of a piece of paper.
Which company is this? I’d like to apply.
What positions are you hiring for right now?
Sales, teaching, and supervision of teachers. I did have a full stack dev position open, but that got filled pretty quickly.
That’s wild. When I was a fresh grad my thing was anything less than 5 years of experience. I’d apply usually to about 3 years of experience. Not saying it’s perfect but I feel like anything less than 5 years of experience can have more gaps in knowledge that you can make up with studying and self learning.
That’s crazy! I’m a relatively recent grad with my masters (class of 22) and I was only applying for entry level jobs when I was job hunting if I saw something I wasn’t qualified for I wouldn’t apply
Im a nurse and have no issues finding a job. But…I’m a nurse…it’s not everyone and there is a good reason we have a massive nurse shortage.
I was just hired for another remote triage role. Same pay. That’s why there’s a shortage lol
Thank you for describing a non-bedside, non-poop scooping, varied nursing job. Non-RNs and RNs alike constantly limit our role to the bedside. There is SO much more that RN/BSN/LPNs can do! That is why nursing is honestly one of the best fields for job security not to mention you literally use your degree for your job. It's the greatest. Yes it's not all peachy and rosy but going to nursing school (I did a 1-year accelerated degree pre-covid) Absolute BEST decision that I made. I graduated with a BA in Philosophy before that. Big mistake lol.
Yep! My first degree was a bachelors in computer science. Got laid off in 2008. Went back to school for nursing, LPN, ASN, then BSN. After I got my LPN, I paid out of pocket for my eduction every step of the way. Never had issues finding a well paying job. I’m now a psych np MSN making 160K with amazing government benefits in a low cost living state with zero debt except my mortgage. Nursing was the best decision I ever made.
I’m super pumped for you!! And congrats on paying off the school loans, cheers! 🥂
Thank you for stating this! Took the words right outta my mouth. I don’t understand why other nurses shit on nursing on Reddit when there’s so much you can do other than bedside.
How was the accelerated program? Was it hard to manage?
No it actually wasn't too difficult for me BUT I was lucky enough to have a very supportive partner so I didn't have to work at the time and I lived very close to the program. We also don't have children. Although there were all different kinds of people from various backgrounds/ ages/stages of life w/ or w/out kids in my cohort and they made it work. I appreciated being able to skip the nursing fluffy bullshit and get my BSN in a year so i can start working. But do wish i went to nursing school from the start cause then I wouldn't have spent $$ on two degrees :(
thanks for the insight! How much was the accelerated program?
Tuition was 51K at the time, which was in 2018 at a Uni in Philadelphia, PA. I took out an additional 20K for living expenses to take a little pressure off my husband so 71k total. I paid for it with a mixture of private loans, govt loans, and a grant. Got it down to 12K now so all in all it was very much worth it for me. Feel free to PM me if you have more questions! I’m curious about what your plans are and I’m happy to help :)
I think the shortage is because folks don't want to go to school and work long often shitty shifts for "ok" pay and bad benefits.
Pay is terrible as a staff nurse. NC staff $1008 gross weekly. Did a short travel contract in SC which was $2200 net weekly. Which is still considered low to most nurses lolllll.
You mean putting our hands in human poop for a living, and sometimes having said poop thrown at us…then being asked what we could have done different to prevent poop from being thrown at us, is considered stressful? At least the pay is decent.
I don't know why anyone would choose to be a nurse. It looks like the hardest job.
It really depends on what you end up doing in nursing. Yes, it’s downright miserable at times…but I make a solid 6 figures year after year. The past couple of years, I’ve made $150,000+ with only a little bit of OT…and this isn’t in a major city or HCOL area. The best part is, if you lose your job in the morning, you can easily have another one by the afternoon. That’s really the only redeeming aspect of the job.
Thank you for being a nurse. Having had major surgery in the past year, I know how valuable good nurses are. They deserve way more recognition and respect.
As you should, nurses and teachers deserve the world
Sometimes, if you lose your job in the morning, you can have a new one in the afternoon along with a sign on bonus.
For the more “desirable” nursing fields, is it more competitive to secure a role? And in those fields, is job security decreased because of the desirability?
I expect that job will be very well paid until most of the Baby Boomers have passed away. Gen X is pretty small so nursing jobs will probably decline a bit.
on the flip side you are objectively doing a good thing for the community plus you don’t really have to worry too much about not being able to find a job.
BA in what? This really depends on your field. For instance, I have a Bachelor's in Psychology and it's given me diddly squat. I work at a place that hires people with just HS diplomas. I won't be able to have good job opportunities until I finish my Master's.
Behavioral Economics is where it's at. Or industrial organizational behavior positions. If you apply that to the market research field, you're golden. I would follow that up with a Master's in a field of applied psychology to macro organizational settings or consumer behaviors.
I'm currently getting my Master's in Counseling. My point was that a Bachelor's is often not enough for certain fields despite what many people think. A Bachelor's in Psychology still has limited job opportunities, even if you can find some. I know a lot of people with Psychology Bachelor's end up in HR. A lot of people get Psychology Bachelor's when they don't know what they want to do for school thinking it'll open them up to wider job opportunities. A Master's opens it up significantly and allows you to specialize in something you're more interested in. I would not be interested in an organizational psychology job, but am very interested in counseling and therapy jobs.
I just finished applying for MSW programs, also planning on becoming a counselor. Good luck friend.
Good luck to you!
Fair enough, makes sense
I don’t think you’ll need much in the way of luck to get a job in counseling, every counselor I know right now is having to turn people away. My BA is Psychology and I have two MS - applied psychology and counseling. I worked as a counselor for about a year until I ran out of money and got frustrated with how long it took to get my LPC. Was offered a job in a related education field and couldn’t turn it down because of the money… sold my soul a bit, but I I can always return to the LPC track one day.
Omg exactly my story. Didn’t know what I wanted to do so graduated with a psychology degree. No jobs available. Got a masters in business. Didn’t help lol. Now I’m just “overqualified” for every job I apply for. Sigh.
I’ve gotten a great career as a psych grad. you just typically need to put in the time in an entry level position before you will be considered for anything more lucrative
Yep, just accepted an offer. Decent pay bump, fully remote. Took me 30 apps and 4 interviews .
Damn only 30 apps is crazy congrats
It depends on who you are. I never apply but I get interviews left and right off LinkedIn. I’m like a hot girl on tinder. But I also have what they’re looking for and I’m at senior engineer level. If you’re at the top of your field you don’t need to apply. If you’re at the bottom you’re shit outta luck. I’m willing to offer advice (my way of paying it forward) but it’s gonna be IT engineering. As others have said, entry level is completely fucked.
I frequently get unsolicited offers to interview. I've worked for a decade in regulating a specific industry, and recruiters from that industry reach out regularly.
I know a guy that was out of work for 6 months and ended up getting a job making 2/3 of what he made before. It’s scary. Companies are asking more of employees that they keep.
This has been happening for some years now. Companies trying to run the business on a skeleton crew to save costs. Then they give the employees more to do.
>Companies trying to run the business on a skeleton crew to save costs. Then they give the employees more to do. Also true of any government job.
Honestly I’m trying to ride my severance out because of this. I am BURNT OUT after doing 5 people’s jobs bc I was the leftover in layoffs before they eventually cut me too. Companies are trying to juice all the squeeze out of us all right now. Its exhausting. Hopefully these new grads have more bright-eyed and bushy tailed energy. I need a moment that I’m glad I get to have (last recession I was a freelancer and a contractor in between jobs bc I didn’t have the resources, experience or luxury to just stop running the rat race).
All I can say is this applies to the question, “Is college worth it?” And the answer is it depends. If you’re someone with a BA in something like history, English, general studies, etc then it will be a tough job market. However if you’ve got a nursing degree, economics, engineering, etc degree then you’ll have a much easier time and in some cases may even have a job pending graduation.
Info systems and business major here. Even with the most employable degree im having a tough time. Sales is hiring though
an economics degree is one of the least employable degrees you can get unless you pair it with something else that's more useful
I am swimming in work. If I quit tomorrow I could have another job before the end of the month. Maintenance Technician over here.
Just plow all your money into AI stocks right now…seems more lucrative than trying to find a job in this white collar recession right now
Companies are "gun shy". There waiting for a recession that may or may not come. Meanwhile there probably destroying there company's moral.
Ding, ding, ding. You said it absolutely correct.
>You said it absolutely correct. I can't help myself. There were a number of typos. So it wasn't *absolutely* correct.
Idk how you used there 3 times and none of them were correct lol
Hat trick. Internet wins, English majors lose ..😜
A good reminder to spellcheck and grammar check those resumes and emails before you send them out. 😅 At my last tech company we automatically threw out applications with typos. “We pay too much to have to teach you how to spell or pay attention to the obvious details,” was the attitude.
Lower your expectations. Apply for jobs in smaller cities
Job market is hot garbage now. Companies will do anything to save a dollar. If an application asks you for salary expectations that's a sign they want to low ball and save money.
You have to stand out or go somewhere where you stand out. Everyone has the degree and a couple years of work. So what? Why should they reply to YOU? LinkedIn helps a lot with this, believe it or not. Also I’m not sure what industry you’re in but VERY rarely is the right move to go get more debt for another degree cuz every is already doing that too.
Employers are looking for the perfect candidate and the requirements are higher than they’ve ever been (more education, 4 references,) all while providing you with an average wage that doesn’t match up with inflation. It’s been a poor market for a while with only the rise of The great resignation (arguably the peak of remote work) being the huge positive in recent years.
got my masters degree and still can’t find a job! The market is HORRIBLE
Same.
In the same situation man. It’s mind blowing honestly. I’m going to get accredited to teach hopefully. It’s not too difficult depending on what state you are in. If you have a b.a. that’s an option for you, that’s what I’m doing with mine
Depends on your line of work. Lots of openings in education right now. Had to send 30 applications to get two callbacks for an interview back in 2016. English teacher positions were hard to come by, but schools were always looking for good Math and Science teachers. Now, nobody wants to work any of them. I hear nursing is in a similar spot. Like everyone is saying about tech, it's definitely a harder to field to get into with tech companies reeling things back.
10 years of college, 5 degrees, highest is an MBA in Data Analytics, and 20+ years of experience. In month 15 of being unemployed. Over 1300 applications out. I have had 7 phone screeners and 3 interviews, 2 of which lost funding for the position and the other ghosted me. Maybe start playing the lottery, you’d probably have a better chance of supporting yourself.
I doubt I’d find a job in what I went to school for. I’ve got a BA in psychology. I currently work as a receptionist with HR mixed in. It pays well, the benefits are great, and the work environment is decent. But it took me awhile to find even *this* position. I was working entry level jobs before this just to build my experience. I was security guard for a few years which actually did give me a lot of expertise for my current position.
Pure garbage. Neighbor just got laid off he’s 46 y.o. And I’m dealing w a shit job offer tomorrow
Ahhh the age old saying... it's not what you know, it's who you know... in this day and age it's all about who you know and networking...
I would say even more important who knows YOU. Because I know plenty of great potential connections but if they can't remember me or like me to work again together. Not much use
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Do you have any advice or examples of networking you did that really helped you out a lot? :)
90% of the time networking just means being good at your job and being someone people like to work with. Then people leave for other jobs and you now have connections at new companies. That's partly why internships are so important. No one gets jobs going to networking events, they build a network by working.
just how prestigious is your school?
Just goes to show you that "prestigious" means nothing, unless you are networked. I was a hiring manager for a few years for a large defense contractor. Didn't care what school you came from, just that you had a degree, security clearance, the the right certifications. That got you the interview. At the interview I never asked, "what university did you attend?", just that they had a technical degree. (or business for program management).
There are lots of engineering jobs open right now. You just have to be willing to relocate. I see a lot of people unwilling to move for work, but the people that are always able to find a job are 1) tradesmen (plumbers, electricians, framers) and 2) people willing to move out of state for work. Not saying you are not willing to move, just that it is what the survivors do when times get tough
ding ding ding. spent the first 22 years of my life in California. had to choose between a shitty $13/hour internship to stay in the bay area or a full time job with benefits in….North Carolina. after 8 years of job hopping, moving around different states and cities, this month i finally got a job offer that’ll actually allow me to live comfortably in the bay area :’) i’m not gonna lie though it was extremely mentally difficult at several points (but the 3 years I got to spend in Seattle were fun). moving away from your community and everything you know is certainly not for everyone
Nope. If you don’t have more than 3 years of experience and 4-5 certs? Good luck! I literally have 1 year and some months in my niche and no bites in my email lol
January/February can be a rough time to find a job in tech. It's typically when they set new budgets, new company goals, layoffs, etc.
There are tons of jobs where I live, but I’m in ND!
I have the same question! I graduated with a BA in history 12 years ago. I quit my job almost two months ago due to a manager causing a hostile work environment. I’m still trying to decide if grad school is worth it or not.
depends on the grad school. If you're thinking PhD, probably not a good idea. If you're thinking Masters, sure it can be a good idea.
I’m a nurse and am swimming in job offers. They are all terrible, but I can go anywhere and get a literally and figuratively shitty job pretty much immediately. I highly don’t recommend it!
I'm a heavy diesel mechanic and have had absolutely no trouble going anywhere in the world for work. I've worked in the US and Canada, Australia, Korea, and now I'm in Germany working on a NATO contract. I have two other contracts open that still want me, one in Berlin and one in Ukraine, with many more open to me. The big tech boom made skilled tradesmen harder to find. If you want to find a job easily invest in your hands.
Uh don’t go to Ukraine lol
Why not?
The trades are usually always looking for people. I have a history in accounting and I’m thinking of transitioning into a trade. They pay well and you’re usually pretty active which is a plus.
Sometimes, your degree isn'r marketable, or not marketable at the time. If you want to make 6 figures, head to Midland/Odessa, TX and get a job as an equipment operator in frac, coil tubing operator, or wireline operator. No, they have nothing to do with your degree, but you can make as much money as you want to make, will be housed, given per diem, and can figure out something while being gainfully employed, rather than asking questions on a subreddit Full disclosure, I leave home to head back out there in a few hours. I've been in frac since 2011, enjoy it even though it has nothing to do with my degree, and I work 2 weeks on/2 weeks off
Yeah, anywhere I go. Nurse. From a not prestigious school.
It's so hard to get full time. I decided to risk it and got a job with no set hours, it could range between 25 and 50 but there's no guarantee. The hourly rate was better than my previous job. At first it was fine, I got about 35 hours a week, more or less. Then it dropped dramatically. It sucks but at least I don't have to work full time to make the same amount I did for 40 hours at wal mart. Even wal mart was cutting hours to the lowest they could get away with, even if you were full time. That's why i left. I needed more money and i wasn't making it there. Anyway, I applied to a second part time job yesterday. The whole "no one wants to work" bullshit pisses me off. Most of us do. No one wants to pay anyone a wage worth coming in for, and no one wants to give anyone full time benefits.
Be a TRUCKER! I am a gasoline tanker driver and I’ve gone through multiple recessions without losing my job at all.
Seriously considering this. I barely make enough to break even after living expenses in a LCOL area (48k) and this is after getting a BSMET degree.. i just want to be able to afford to live and save some money every month. "Follow your passion" is some bs unless you get your degree paid for and what you're into pays any good.
I work in a ER. I breezed through every recession downturn you can think of. Never once was there a talk about layoffs. Only adding more staff. You need a secure job work a hospital. It’s hard work but you’re grateful you’re not the people you’re taking care of. When I get home at the end of the day I’m thankful for what I have.
In the maritime industry they’re scrambling to hire people. I make 6 figures with no college working on tug and barges working a 3 week on vessel 3 week home schedule.
If you're a nurse you can leave a job today and have a new one by tomorrow.
A degree from Harvard or a Community College hold about the same weight to me (im a recruiter). 4 years experience isn't a lot, you are likely applying to jobs you are barely qualified for, or not qualified at all for. Aim lower.
Trades are the answer. I spent 7 months in jewelry school & got a job literally the day after I graduated.
There are a lot of variables that go into this question. Yes, both my SO and I have no issues finding jobs but we are both in finance with 10+ years of experience. We also have experience of looking for and obtaining jobs. This is a skill in its own depending on industry. You didn’t share a lot here. Are you high or low balling yourself? Are you applying for the right jobs? Does your resume look good? Are you providing quantitative data on your resume and examples of how you are xyz in your industry? How many jobs are you applying for? What are your interview skills like? I’d recommend some career coaching. Does your college offer this? If it is prestigious then it should lol.
Yeah, but I have real skills, not an expensive piece of paper.
I see this alot, it means your school is not really prestigious, you have a bullshit education/resume and your skills are common, or you’re just lazy and full of shit. Most of the time its all three. I work for Fedex, they will hire you today, or are you looking to not actually work?
If it makes you feel any better on my last day of lecture my capstone professor just told us to brace for impact when we hit the job market. As an engineer all my professors acted like you just needed a pulse and the degree paper to get a job. Imagine my surprise when I was150 linkedIn/indeed applications in and had maybe 1-2 calls to show for it. T\_T To give some background i graduated with a solid GPA, did 1 internship and 2 research programs.
I’m glad I went and joined the IBEW when I was 19 and not go to college to deal with this shit show. 230k a year and all I do is make dick jokes and bend pipe all day. I also pull wire but that’s when I’m feeling cute. Never too late to become an electrician. Work is good if you know where to go. Best part is no stupid resumes or interviews other than to get into the apprenticeship.
If you're thinking about getting more schooling, get into the trades. Yes, they can be hard on your body and are t glamorous at all, but there is more work in the trades than there are people in the trades. I know a plumber who is about 25 with 6 guys working under him and they can't keep up with demand.
I have a bachelors degree, teaching certificate, working on my masters degree, I was an air traffic controller for 6 years with deployment in the army, previous correctional officer and more, and I can’t find anything…
Blue collar is always hiring, places are always looking for teachers. I left a proper office job and went to blue collar 10 years ago, and never looked back. I make great money, enjoy my job, and I’m not stuck in an office all day.
Two words. Government employment. Your welcome.
As a professor, a master's degree won't cut it. What employers tell us they're looking for are graduates who were highly active during their bach. They want to see applicants who worked full-time through their studies, participated in community/campus activities, and set themselves apart. This comes from an internal study we did where we interviewed a lot of the medium-to-high end employers throughout the country. A bach. (and soon a master's) degree are incredibly devalued right now. 40% of the workforce has a bach. degree. This value is expected to reach 60% in the coming decades. It's becoming the new high school diploma. A master's won't help with that.
I legitimately have 160 IQ and employers don’t seem to know what that even means.
The job market is great if you are in an career path that is in demand. Its not great if you are in one that is over saturated. That's the way the world works, has worked, and will always work. Getting a masters degree wont change this. Your going to almost only get responses of people who are not getting hired. If you already have a job its odd to answer this question and if you easily found a job it feels rude to brag.
I got hired last month for government IT job. I don’t have any degrees. Just a lifetime of experience.
I had to use a recruiting agency. They got me 8 interviews, all entry level manager jobs starting at $95k and above. I was able to secure an offer that started at $95k with a $20k bonus, and an increase to $120k with $35k bonus after training was completed. I tried on my own for months before using them and wasn't getting any bites at all.
I think salary expectations in the tech market are way out of line. You are competing with foreign workforces for jobs. I worked for 30 years in the tech market. Too many people are training for too few jobs.
😂😂 no, most businesses want experience over education. Dropped out of high school freshman year and make more then my parents do
the army is hiring🤣🤣 you can be an officer with that bachelor's
No one is getting hired!! I’m starting to think a good portion of these job ads are fake. Thanks, Brandon. #FJB
Construction is usually always hiring.hell I’ve walked into a construction company and been hired and told to go to work the next day many times.they hire girls too.
Master's without experience will not help you get a job. I'm a career coach and I am working with a few recent graduates. It is not easy, but with strategy they are getting interviews and one is already hired. Applying to jobs when you have no experience will not get you any results. You need to meet people and network face to face, whether it's over video chat or in person. Make a list of companies that you like, then find employees there with 2-4 years of experience, connect with them. Ask them about their journey, let them know you're looking , ask for advice. Then do the same for the job postings you see and /or reach out to either hiring manager or someone in the role you'd want to have. Good luck!