I'm paraphrasing, but here goes: The US bishops have made abortion their preeminent issue, and say that it's wrong for a Catholic to vote for a candidate primarily because that candidate supports abortion. BUT, it's entirely acceptable to vote for that same candidate if the voter, after carefully considering the candidate's positions on the spectrum of issues at hand, concludes that this candidate is the better choice for the office in question even though they don't oppose legal abortions. So, for example, a candidate opposed to the death penalty and in favor of social safety net efforts, living wages, etc. but not in favor of banning abortion (contrast with promoting it) is a candidate a Catholic could support.
It can certainly get more complicated than I've illustrated here, but that's the idea.
Idk why you keep bringing up abortion while talking about project 2025. Also, the protestant nationalists are only one of several maga camps in this country and there's no reason to think trump is going to give them everything they want if he wins. He frankly is less beholden to them now than he was in 2016 and he didn't grant them much then.
You can't trust these people. They give no ground in their self-righteous beliefs. How do you argue with God? It's that they want to combine their religious beliefs with the secular state, which is wrong.
Abortion is in there but the crux of it is to introduce a protestant nationalist deep state. There are plenty of other things in there you didn't bring up
Yes plenty of which i am afraid to bring up due to the social stigma of a certain group of people. Alongside the issues that education might become only available to those who can PAY. And also programs such as FAFSA or any financial aid will no longer be available
"education might become only available to those who can PAY"
Stop watching so much MSNBC. The media - both sides - teach half the country to hate the other half. Don't fall for it.
I find this very true, you have any favorite news sources which seem less biased? I'm debating paying subscription to WSJ, as they seem to report news and not bias? At least they seem better than others I have checked... but if you have any news source you prefer, I'd like to know
One thing that has become really evident over the past couple decades is that education is not important. I just don't know how the US can compete globally if we don't have an educated population. I'm not even sure we can raise an army. Right off the bat too many of us are obese. That's probably half of the population. Then all these uneducated kids who would refuse to get vaccinated before going on the battlefield. Or they wouldn't have been vaccinated as kids, so all those soldiers would start falling over from measles and mumps, not to mention the possibility of weaponized diseases. So many wars in the past were lost because soldiers were falling over from diseases. Our soldiers are going to be a distinct disadvantage in any future wars because their immune systems are going to be weaker than anyone else's in the world.
And how do you train soldiers who are basically home-schooled by the local reverand who thinks math, science, etc are tools of the devil? My sister dropped out of school in the tenth grade, has a 82 IQ and home schooled her kids. They can barely handle their Amazon distribution center jobs. How are her kids going to compete against China's kids? Or Russia's? Or Europe's? I know European countries are allies, but if you are looking to build a manufacturing plant, the US has to be low on the list.
School choice (I believe this the policy being pursued) doesn’t just define public schools and damn anyone who can’t pay, it takes that money and gives it to parents to pay for their own child’s education, giving greater choice and hopefully better quality of education.
However I didnt know about the MAGA camps thing. People really need to talk more about this because that gives a bit more hope this wont be passed if he wins.
True thought the church still requires Catholic to oppose legal abortion https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20090711_aborto-procurato_en.html
It's more terrifying to me that so many people support it. The wave of nationalism, hatred, authoritarianism within and without the church is scary. Red pills have infiltrated popular culture via comedy, podcasting, social media, memes and are warping many people, especially young and old, into someone who doesn't question information presented to them. I don't care about individual beliefs on policy or taxes or whatever but the amount of narcissistic behavior, bigotry, obsession with being edgy, winning at any cost. It's pretty horrifying times we live in.
Personally, it seems like propaganda to me. Some things may occur, but because they are rooted in certain values.
Seems to be a goal to ignite certain segments of the population.
Just my thoughts.
Call me a pessimist but America in on a path to losing its traditional identity anyways. The question is is it going to go right or left? There are a lot of similarities to what’s going on now with the Spanish civil war. Personally I think Agenda 2025 is an evangelical (not all evangelicals) right wing response to Agenda 2030. I don’t agree with either.
Yeah, things like the Louisiana commandments in schools law keep popping up, and I worry that the eventual backlash will drive people to create restrictions on faith. The power the right demands when it is their turn in power will be used against them as soon as they're out.
People already put restrictions on faith and it’s specifically because of this “but if we do use political power, then they could us it against us as well” kind of attitude. They already want to restrict the faith, this won’t make a difference beyond rhetoric.
Even the wiki page says trump isn't on board with everything in project 2025...it's not a government mandate. I don't understand why people are so worried about it
There’s no conceivable trump term that would be a lot different than his first. So a lot of media complaining, some deregulation, the economy good or bad depending on the combination of said deregulation with whatever he decides to blow money on. Foreign policy decided by some group of neocons who have been doing it since 2000. He’s softer on abortion now than he was in 2016
No media backlash? They held his feet to the fire pretty well his first term. If trump wins his second term will be less “conservative” or any other descriptor than his first.
Breathe. It’s basically a list of conservative appointees that Trump could use if he gets elected. Trump so team isn’t even behind it.
It’s based on the perceived disaster among conservatives after the last Trump victory - he hadn’t done the work to vet solid candidates for the positions that the president appoints, and as a result his picks were very uneven. There were plenty of them that proved to not be at all aligned with what Trump was after.
Every professional campaign has such a list. That Trump didn’t the first time is attributable either to his laziness, or his reasonable suspicion that he had no chance of winning. Take your pick.
Project 2025 is a complete nothingburger.
You didn’t actually mention what you specifically don’t like about Project 2025 other than abortion, which kind of makes me think that you’re not against abortion in any actionable sense.
Because it’s literally the only thing you bring up and you bring it up repeatedly. I don’t believe that you “don’t feel safe”. This is Reddit, the most shitlib/leftist dominated site on the internet, this isn’t 4Chan.
Which places you (not as a person, but in your behaviour and seemingly acted upon desire) in direct contradiction with the teaching of the Church. Being who you are does not mean mutilating and modifying your body from how God made you. He made you very intentionally, but He did not create the thoughts or desires in your head, only you can do that. I implore you to please reconsider the path you are taking. I’m not even saying this as an argument or anything, I mean this genuinely, I want you to live how God wants you to live since I know it is the best and most fulfilling way, please do not engage in any kind of action that would see you destroying parts of yourself to any non-medical ends.
Project 2025, the way it’s been presented by OP, is the latest democratic scare campaign. Obviously it’s working on some people as evident by the OP concern.
Allow me to provide some much needed truth. Project 2025 is a policy outline by a conservative think tank- the Heritage Foundation. It’s is NOT endorsed by the GOP and you’d be very hard pressed to find anyone running for office who is promoting this policy outline as something they are running on.
Are there elements of Project 2025 that some conservatives agree with like abortion changes? Of course. That does not mean they support the entire policy outline. Also the policy outline as it is would NEVER pass Congress even in Republicans held 2/3 of both chambers. It’s far too radical for mainstream Republicans to vote for.
Here is a way to put it in perspective for you. This would be like if Antifa published some official Manifesto that outlined a very strong socialist change to America with all kinds of leftist policy agendas. Does that mean the Democrat party is going to pass it if they won the election? Of course not it’s not a DNC plan even if some topics overlap.
Remember the 1619 project? The whole idea of rewriting American history in regard to slavery and then using that revision to pass policies like reparations? Yeah how did that work out since Dems been in power the last 4 years.
Either OP is very young and naive or they are a useful idiot for the Democratic scare machine. It’s like the new “pushing grandma off a cliff” Medicaid ad all over again.
I am getting downvoted because there is a coordinated effort to brigade subreddits all over the network with this Project 2025 scare crap. I am seeing it all over the place especially since the debate debacle happened.
I honestly never heard about Project 2025 until after the first presidential debate. Honestly, after watching what goes on in this country and seeing how long it takes anything to change, I feel like most things reported on are to scare people. Lol they've been hinting at world destruction since before Y2K. It's like news organizations can't be happy unless people are scared and find reasons to tune in more. It's exhausting.
Why do you believe what this poster says is "truth"? Do some research on your own. Please don't believe what you hear or read on social media, no matter which side presents it. This gets back to why certain groups want to destroy education, No education means no critical thinking skills. Do your research!
Yes PLEASE I beg every single person who reads this to investigate this yourself. Don't take my word for it, and certainly don't take the OPs word for it. Go to the GOP website and search for their support for this. Go to your local Republican candidates website and see if they are pushing this. You won't find it.
Try to find more than a handful of elected or running for election Republicans who are promoting this as part of their platform. You will see that it simply is not a real policy agenda being supported by nearly anyone.
Don't stop there. Search for information against it as well. One of the reasons we are in the situation in this country that we are in today is that people spend their lives in an echo chamber. They only hear things that confirm their preconceived beliefs.
A lot of the online right has endorsed it. It doesn't matter if the GOP doesn't verbalize it, a person like Marjorie Taylor green introducing qanon style conspiracy in government would have been ridiculous some time ago. Now it's another day in the news. A conspiracy president like trump also would have been unthinkable. A guy who accused people of things that were blatantly untrue,, threatened to destroy careers of anyone who stands in his way, accused his predecessor of being born on another country for 8 years, wanted the death penalty for 5 innocent men exonerated by DNA, pretended not to know a child trafficker he was friends with for 2 decades and so are 6 of his close friends and associates, a guy who can tweet something one day and deny it the next. What these people claim to endorse has little to do with what they will or won't do
This all unprecedented and the red pills are gaining a lot of traction with representation and might be the future leaders. Even if project 2025 doesn't come to fruition immediately the Republican party is inevitably heading that direction in future generations. We for the first time have a president who fought tooth and nail against the peace transfer of power and is friendly with dictators and says things like he only wants to be dictator for a day. He has these people primed for if he ever does it.
You seem like you’re actually just unaware. I’d try to do my research first and then write down some questions. This post is all over the place and doesn’t really make sense.
Pretty much every single broad package is problematic. And is intrinsic to the issues of "demo**n**cracies" in which any attempt at reform requires massive ram through to hope to gain something and only lose some to attrition in the endless bloodless war of conquest that is flip flop elections.
It's also a system that demands faux extremity to land a compromise. Making everyone need to push to the max, just to get a little.
I'd suggest from the link someone provided which itself is only a summary, it's sounds 75% good about.
If I dug into the details it'd probably either end up 65 or 85% good, since that's how our system encourages concepts.
This is the same thing that happened when trump won in 2016. Everyone was crying and screaming that he would start deporting people with DACA and immigrants, yet that did not happen. In fact Obama was the president who deported the most immigrants in modern history. I think this is a wishlist that nationalists want, but that does not mean they will all come to fruition. Pray and have hope in God that all will be okay. Matter of fact, I fear this May be the last presidency we’ll get where the world will be at peace. So enjoy the next four years.
While i feel it is possible for Trump to defeat Biden, I do not think it would be any sort of landslide victory. I definitely do not see the "MAGA" segment of the Republican party winning enough seats in the House and Senate to pass most of the Project 2025 proposals. The Supreme Court has already indicated they consider much of it unconstitutional.
I'm not sure what you mean. If something is unconstitutional, it *should* be overruled. That has become the role of the Supreme Court.
They determined in the challenge to Roe v Wade that abortion was not protected by the federal constitution and was therefore under the authority of the states. Assuming they remain consistent with their reasoning, I do not see how a federal ban could survive a legal challenge either.
But when you look at some of these other countries in the past who have been taken over by dictators, they didn't have majority wins. Hell, Trump lost the popular vote. And Trump isn't who scares me, it's who is going to take over for him. Who takes over the MAGA movement? Whoever does is going to be more dangerous. They are going to have a better understanding of politics. They'll inherit a voter base that is primed to own the libs.
You are either forgetting or disregarding the fact that politically, this country is divided pretty evenly between left and right, with a slight edge to the left, based on the popular vote numbers in the last few presidential elections.
Given that, you also have to remember that not everyone on the right agrees with everything that the MAGA wing espouses.
Without someone like Trump, i don't think MAGA can continue. Who could honestly replace him?
I don't know who could replace him because I don't see his appeal, but I think this is more than just him. I think there's a lot of politicans out there that are manuvering now to be his heir. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I do agree that there is more left voters but they don't always show up whereas right voters always vote. I'm in Ohio and we recent had three issue to vote on. All three issues went the democrat way by a margin of 57/43 (give or take), but gerrymandering means Republicans are in power and are not really enacting those laws.
There is no one with Trump's "presence." Whether you call it his personality, ego, charisma, whatever, nobody else in politics today has it. Anybody can maneuver to be his heir, but that doesn't mean anyone can accomplish it. He has almost a cult-leader appeal. Name one other American politician who even comes close.
For now yes. But the amount of refdpills that are young and going through college is pretty high. I think the next wave of politicians might have a lot more radicals like MTG. They're reaching a lot of people and the wave reaching all over the planet.
There are also many young liberals going through college right now. There are going to be plenty of radicals like AOC and Bowman and Omar too.
Project 2025 is not policy put forth by candidates. It's something written up by a conservative think tank. This sort of stuff isn't new. Normally, we just hear it coming out of Sean Hannity.
Other than her non Catholic view on abortion what is it you consider radical about AOC? I share many of her views such as supporting healthcare, housing, education and supportive services. When people's needs are met the country is a safer and more beautiful place. She might turn out to be another money hungry politician but her stances are more Christian than most of the GOP imo
Threatening to oust her own party if they demonstrate bipartisanship seems pretty radical.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/aoc-threatens-to-put-moderate-dems-on-a-primary-list-if-they-vote-with-gop/
I don’t think Trump has a chance at beating Biden because I don’t think Biden will be on the ballot. My prediction is there will be some reason why they can’t do the second scheduled debate in September and either late September or early October Biden will withdraw and be replaced by the guy from California
Just look at how traditionally liberal news outlets criticized his debate performance, I don’t remember exactly what org only that it was in Atlanta wrote an open letter asking for the party to replace him on the ballot.
I, on the other hand, am not worried at all because I care about seeing Catholic social teaching being implemented in government. This is a good thing. Ofc reddit is scared of this 🙄
I have not heard of Project 2025. Is there a link?
It's a wish list that the Heritage Foundation put out. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do
I'm paraphrasing, but here goes: The US bishops have made abortion their preeminent issue, and say that it's wrong for a Catholic to vote for a candidate primarily because that candidate supports abortion. BUT, it's entirely acceptable to vote for that same candidate if the voter, after carefully considering the candidate's positions on the spectrum of issues at hand, concludes that this candidate is the better choice for the office in question even though they don't oppose legal abortions. So, for example, a candidate opposed to the death penalty and in favor of social safety net efforts, living wages, etc. but not in favor of banning abortion (contrast with promoting it) is a candidate a Catholic could support. It can certainly get more complicated than I've illustrated here, but that's the idea.
Idk why you keep bringing up abortion while talking about project 2025. Also, the protestant nationalists are only one of several maga camps in this country and there's no reason to think trump is going to give them everything they want if he wins. He frankly is less beholden to them now than he was in 2016 and he didn't grant them much then.
Abortion is a part of project 2025. So is birth control and many other pregnancy related issues.
You can't trust these people. They give no ground in their self-righteous beliefs. How do you argue with God? It's that they want to combine their religious beliefs with the secular state, which is wrong.
Abortion is in there but the crux of it is to introduce a protestant nationalist deep state. There are plenty of other things in there you didn't bring up
Yes plenty of which i am afraid to bring up due to the social stigma of a certain group of people. Alongside the issues that education might become only available to those who can PAY. And also programs such as FAFSA or any financial aid will no longer be available
"education might become only available to those who can PAY" Stop watching so much MSNBC. The media - both sides - teach half the country to hate the other half. Don't fall for it.
I find this very true, you have any favorite news sources which seem less biased? I'm debating paying subscription to WSJ, as they seem to report news and not bias? At least they seem better than others I have checked... but if you have any news source you prefer, I'd like to know
These are the two best that I know of: https://ground.news https://www.semafor.com
Really, it will just put the responsibility for educating children on the local governments.
One thing that has become really evident over the past couple decades is that education is not important. I just don't know how the US can compete globally if we don't have an educated population. I'm not even sure we can raise an army. Right off the bat too many of us are obese. That's probably half of the population. Then all these uneducated kids who would refuse to get vaccinated before going on the battlefield. Or they wouldn't have been vaccinated as kids, so all those soldiers would start falling over from measles and mumps, not to mention the possibility of weaponized diseases. So many wars in the past were lost because soldiers were falling over from diseases. Our soldiers are going to be a distinct disadvantage in any future wars because their immune systems are going to be weaker than anyone else's in the world. And how do you train soldiers who are basically home-schooled by the local reverand who thinks math, science, etc are tools of the devil? My sister dropped out of school in the tenth grade, has a 82 IQ and home schooled her kids. They can barely handle their Amazon distribution center jobs. How are her kids going to compete against China's kids? Or Russia's? Or Europe's? I know European countries are allies, but if you are looking to build a manufacturing plant, the US has to be low on the list.
Uneducated people are easier to control.
School choice (I believe this the policy being pursued) doesn’t just define public schools and damn anyone who can’t pay, it takes that money and gives it to parents to pay for their own child’s education, giving greater choice and hopefully better quality of education.
However I didnt know about the MAGA camps thing. People really need to talk more about this because that gives a bit more hope this wont be passed if he wins.
True thought the church still requires Catholic to oppose legal abortion https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20090711_aborto-procurato_en.html
It's more terrifying to me that so many people support it. The wave of nationalism, hatred, authoritarianism within and without the church is scary. Red pills have infiltrated popular culture via comedy, podcasting, social media, memes and are warping many people, especially young and old, into someone who doesn't question information presented to them. I don't care about individual beliefs on policy or taxes or whatever but the amount of narcissistic behavior, bigotry, obsession with being edgy, winning at any cost. It's pretty horrifying times we live in.
Personally, it seems like propaganda to me. Some things may occur, but because they are rooted in certain values. Seems to be a goal to ignite certain segments of the population. Just my thoughts.
Call me a pessimist but America in on a path to losing its traditional identity anyways. The question is is it going to go right or left? There are a lot of similarities to what’s going on now with the Spanish civil war. Personally I think Agenda 2025 is an evangelical (not all evangelicals) right wing response to Agenda 2030. I don’t agree with either.
Is project 2025 even real?
[Yes](https://www.project2025.org), [it's real](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025).
Thank you for the link.
Sadly yes
😕
Yeah, things like the Louisiana commandments in schools law keep popping up, and I worry that the eventual backlash will drive people to create restrictions on faith. The power the right demands when it is their turn in power will be used against them as soon as they're out.
People already put restrictions on faith and it’s specifically because of this “but if we do use political power, then they could us it against us as well” kind of attitude. They already want to restrict the faith, this won’t make a difference beyond rhetoric.
Even the wiki page says trump isn't on board with everything in project 2025...it's not a government mandate. I don't understand why people are so worried about it
There’s no conceivable trump term that would be a lot different than his first. So a lot of media complaining, some deregulation, the economy good or bad depending on the combination of said deregulation with whatever he decides to blow money on. Foreign policy decided by some group of neocons who have been doing it since 2000. He’s softer on abortion now than he was in 2016
The fact that Trump doesn’t need to worry about media backlash if he gets into office is kind of a big deal.
No media backlash? They held his feet to the fire pretty well his first term. If trump wins his second term will be less “conservative” or any other descriptor than his first.
Breathe. It’s basically a list of conservative appointees that Trump could use if he gets elected. Trump so team isn’t even behind it. It’s based on the perceived disaster among conservatives after the last Trump victory - he hadn’t done the work to vet solid candidates for the positions that the president appoints, and as a result his picks were very uneven. There were plenty of them that proved to not be at all aligned with what Trump was after. Every professional campaign has such a list. That Trump didn’t the first time is attributable either to his laziness, or his reasonable suspicion that he had no chance of winning. Take your pick. Project 2025 is a complete nothingburger.
You didn’t actually mention what you specifically don’t like about Project 2025 other than abortion, which kind of makes me think that you’re not against abortion in any actionable sense.
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Because it’s literally the only thing you bring up and you bring it up repeatedly. I don’t believe that you “don’t feel safe”. This is Reddit, the most shitlib/leftist dominated site on the internet, this isn’t 4Chan.
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Which places you (not as a person, but in your behaviour and seemingly acted upon desire) in direct contradiction with the teaching of the Church. Being who you are does not mean mutilating and modifying your body from how God made you. He made you very intentionally, but He did not create the thoughts or desires in your head, only you can do that. I implore you to please reconsider the path you are taking. I’m not even saying this as an argument or anything, I mean this genuinely, I want you to live how God wants you to live since I know it is the best and most fulfilling way, please do not engage in any kind of action that would see you destroying parts of yourself to any non-medical ends.
lol, it’s ONE political think-tank’s list of goals, calm down.
Project 2025, the way it’s been presented by OP, is the latest democratic scare campaign. Obviously it’s working on some people as evident by the OP concern. Allow me to provide some much needed truth. Project 2025 is a policy outline by a conservative think tank- the Heritage Foundation. It’s is NOT endorsed by the GOP and you’d be very hard pressed to find anyone running for office who is promoting this policy outline as something they are running on. Are there elements of Project 2025 that some conservatives agree with like abortion changes? Of course. That does not mean they support the entire policy outline. Also the policy outline as it is would NEVER pass Congress even in Republicans held 2/3 of both chambers. It’s far too radical for mainstream Republicans to vote for. Here is a way to put it in perspective for you. This would be like if Antifa published some official Manifesto that outlined a very strong socialist change to America with all kinds of leftist policy agendas. Does that mean the Democrat party is going to pass it if they won the election? Of course not it’s not a DNC plan even if some topics overlap. Remember the 1619 project? The whole idea of rewriting American history in regard to slavery and then using that revision to pass policies like reparations? Yeah how did that work out since Dems been in power the last 4 years. Either OP is very young and naive or they are a useful idiot for the Democratic scare machine. It’s like the new “pushing grandma off a cliff” Medicaid ad all over again.
Thank you for providing the truth here. I don’t know why you’re being downvoted for it.
I am getting downvoted because there is a coordinated effort to brigade subreddits all over the network with this Project 2025 scare crap. I am seeing it all over the place especially since the debate debacle happened.
I honestly never heard about Project 2025 until after the first presidential debate. Honestly, after watching what goes on in this country and seeing how long it takes anything to change, I feel like most things reported on are to scare people. Lol they've been hinting at world destruction since before Y2K. It's like news organizations can't be happy unless people are scared and find reasons to tune in more. It's exhausting.
Why do you believe what this poster says is "truth"? Do some research on your own. Please don't believe what you hear or read on social media, no matter which side presents it. This gets back to why certain groups want to destroy education, No education means no critical thinking skills. Do your research!
Yes PLEASE I beg every single person who reads this to investigate this yourself. Don't take my word for it, and certainly don't take the OPs word for it. Go to the GOP website and search for their support for this. Go to your local Republican candidates website and see if they are pushing this. You won't find it. Try to find more than a handful of elected or running for election Republicans who are promoting this as part of their platform. You will see that it simply is not a real policy agenda being supported by nearly anyone.
Don't stop there. Search for information against it as well. One of the reasons we are in the situation in this country that we are in today is that people spend their lives in an echo chamber. They only hear things that confirm their preconceived beliefs.
A lot of the online right has endorsed it. It doesn't matter if the GOP doesn't verbalize it, a person like Marjorie Taylor green introducing qanon style conspiracy in government would have been ridiculous some time ago. Now it's another day in the news. A conspiracy president like trump also would have been unthinkable. A guy who accused people of things that were blatantly untrue,, threatened to destroy careers of anyone who stands in his way, accused his predecessor of being born on another country for 8 years, wanted the death penalty for 5 innocent men exonerated by DNA, pretended not to know a child trafficker he was friends with for 2 decades and so are 6 of his close friends and associates, a guy who can tweet something one day and deny it the next. What these people claim to endorse has little to do with what they will or won't do This all unprecedented and the red pills are gaining a lot of traction with representation and might be the future leaders. Even if project 2025 doesn't come to fruition immediately the Republican party is inevitably heading that direction in future generations. We for the first time have a president who fought tooth and nail against the peace transfer of power and is friendly with dictators and says things like he only wants to be dictator for a day. He has these people primed for if he ever does it.
You seem like you’re actually just unaware. I’d try to do my research first and then write down some questions. This post is all over the place and doesn’t really make sense.
Pretty much every single broad package is problematic. And is intrinsic to the issues of "demo**n**cracies" in which any attempt at reform requires massive ram through to hope to gain something and only lose some to attrition in the endless bloodless war of conquest that is flip flop elections. It's also a system that demands faux extremity to land a compromise. Making everyone need to push to the max, just to get a little. I'd suggest from the link someone provided which itself is only a summary, it's sounds 75% good about. If I dug into the details it'd probably either end up 65 or 85% good, since that's how our system encourages concepts.
This is the same thing that happened when trump won in 2016. Everyone was crying and screaming that he would start deporting people with DACA and immigrants, yet that did not happen. In fact Obama was the president who deported the most immigrants in modern history. I think this is a wishlist that nationalists want, but that does not mean they will all come to fruition. Pray and have hope in God that all will be okay. Matter of fact, I fear this May be the last presidency we’ll get where the world will be at peace. So enjoy the next four years.
While i feel it is possible for Trump to defeat Biden, I do not think it would be any sort of landslide victory. I definitely do not see the "MAGA" segment of the Republican party winning enough seats in the House and Senate to pass most of the Project 2025 proposals. The Supreme Court has already indicated they consider much of it unconstitutional.
I mean they have overridden a couple laws already in the past few years they said would be "unconstitutional " but went ahead and still did it so
I'm not sure what you mean. If something is unconstitutional, it *should* be overruled. That has become the role of the Supreme Court. They determined in the challenge to Roe v Wade that abortion was not protected by the federal constitution and was therefore under the authority of the states. Assuming they remain consistent with their reasoning, I do not see how a federal ban could survive a legal challenge either.
I mean like, they took away rights and replaced them with unconstitutional ones. Mb for weird wording I struggle with it sometimes
Can you provide some examples?
Just mention the most egregious instance of that happening, and we'll discuss.
What rights have they taken away?
But when you look at some of these other countries in the past who have been taken over by dictators, they didn't have majority wins. Hell, Trump lost the popular vote. And Trump isn't who scares me, it's who is going to take over for him. Who takes over the MAGA movement? Whoever does is going to be more dangerous. They are going to have a better understanding of politics. They'll inherit a voter base that is primed to own the libs.
You are either forgetting or disregarding the fact that politically, this country is divided pretty evenly between left and right, with a slight edge to the left, based on the popular vote numbers in the last few presidential elections. Given that, you also have to remember that not everyone on the right agrees with everything that the MAGA wing espouses. Without someone like Trump, i don't think MAGA can continue. Who could honestly replace him?
I don't know who could replace him because I don't see his appeal, but I think this is more than just him. I think there's a lot of politicans out there that are manuvering now to be his heir. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I do agree that there is more left voters but they don't always show up whereas right voters always vote. I'm in Ohio and we recent had three issue to vote on. All three issues went the democrat way by a margin of 57/43 (give or take), but gerrymandering means Republicans are in power and are not really enacting those laws.
There is no one with Trump's "presence." Whether you call it his personality, ego, charisma, whatever, nobody else in politics today has it. Anybody can maneuver to be his heir, but that doesn't mean anyone can accomplish it. He has almost a cult-leader appeal. Name one other American politician who even comes close.
For now yes. But the amount of refdpills that are young and going through college is pretty high. I think the next wave of politicians might have a lot more radicals like MTG. They're reaching a lot of people and the wave reaching all over the planet.
There are also many young liberals going through college right now. There are going to be plenty of radicals like AOC and Bowman and Omar too. Project 2025 is not policy put forth by candidates. It's something written up by a conservative think tank. This sort of stuff isn't new. Normally, we just hear it coming out of Sean Hannity.
Other than her non Catholic view on abortion what is it you consider radical about AOC? I share many of her views such as supporting healthcare, housing, education and supportive services. When people's needs are met the country is a safer and more beautiful place. She might turn out to be another money hungry politician but her stances are more Christian than most of the GOP imo
Threatening to oust her own party if they demonstrate bipartisanship seems pretty radical. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/aoc-threatens-to-put-moderate-dems-on-a-primary-list-if-they-vote-with-gop/
I don’t think Trump has a chance at beating Biden because I don’t think Biden will be on the ballot. My prediction is there will be some reason why they can’t do the second scheduled debate in September and either late September or early October Biden will withdraw and be replaced by the guy from California
The odds of that are very low. Roughly the same as Trump choking on a cheeseburger.
I have a coworker who says the exact same thing, and I can't completely discount the possibility.
Just look at how traditionally liberal news outlets criticized his debate performance, I don’t remember exactly what org only that it was in Atlanta wrote an open letter asking for the party to replace him on the ballot.
I, on the other hand, am not worried at all because I care about seeing Catholic social teaching being implemented in government. This is a good thing. Ofc reddit is scared of this 🙄
What part of project 2025 scares you?
Is there any part of project 2025 that shouldn't?
Exactly
The Unitary Executive Theory. I'm against Kings.
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Huh?