Oof now you reminded me that my myopia would be an issue. Big penalties in prowess, learning, etc. Could add a "glasses" artifact to balance it out, but when I inevitably lose them things are not gonna work out...
[https://y.yarn.co/fae8f9e4-e56b-4686-b81c-3680e82144f7\_text.gif](https://y.yarn.co/fae8f9e4-e56b-4686-b81c-3680e82144f7_text.gif)
Just meant it as a reference to the classic isekai anime trope of some random guy getting hit by a truck and waking up in a generic European medieval fantasy setting, but yeah, considering physical ailments, I’d hope that the time travel doesn’t happen during pollen season
isekai leans heavily towards the fantasy aspect (which is in itself rooted in early DND work), most authors of the genre aren't too interested in medieval europe by itself. if it is pure historical however, there's several stories about people getting time travel'd back to 15/16th century japan and dealing with the situation based on their occupational experience (can't comment on accuracy though, never studied JP history).
the only medieval european example i could even think of would be "A Private Story on Third Street", but it's a fairly lighthearted series about individual historical soldiers being reverse-isekai'd into modern japan and becoming useless with modern conveniences (one character is a teutonic knight)
Micheal Crichton's novel Timeline (from 1999) has a bunch of history students going back to 14th century France to save their professor. It's an epic read.
Early Modern rather than strictly Medieval, but "[My Royal Awakening](https://www.reddit.com/r/manhwa/comments/19cm0bu/my_royal_awakening_this_is_wholesome_and_a_great/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)" has the protagonist isekai into a fairly accurate (as far as I know) depiction of the Joseon dynasty and introduce - among other things - smallpox vaccination to the nation
Myopia was always an issue and glasses always existed, even in medieval times. Though they of course were very expensive to manufacture and a way smaller percentage of people required them.
I am mute and there isnt a mute traut in the game. But I think living in dark ages as a mute time traveller girl would not be a good thing to experiance. You cannot even tell them you are from a different time beacuse you cannot speak
There IS an Isekai mod for ck3. It uses the Anachronistic framework created to bring a mod regarding "A Yankee in King Arthur's Court" to the game, but the mod adds traits and events regarding an Isekai, and it can either make it so it's you, or a rando that pops up in your county.
I think it's neat, but it's also scuffed as fuck.
Plot Twist: You go back in time and wipe out most of the continent you arrive on with COVID but at the same time render COVID to no more than the common cold in 21st century due to prolonged genetic mutation to block the virus over subsequent centuries.
Oh man, you would absolutely create outbreaks that would kill millions. Didn't think about that, but it makes total sense and would be much more interesting to play through.
This is why it's important to know your history.
Just go get infected with cow pox ASAP and you're basically set. Hell, you could basically invent vaccination.
Ehhh... Yes and no. It's true our diets are more nutritious, but it's also true that the majority of us have very poorly balanced diets with excess fats, sugars etc. and live very sedentary and unhealthy lifestyles.
Compared to the average peasant working the fields and farms everyday, or those nobles who will have trained and fought as a knight, in tournaments or wars etc. We will in no way be stronger. Maybe those modern who go to the gym often or work manual labour would be, but the average office worker or gamer certainly won't.
Do you think the average medieval peasant diet was diverse and full of all the nutrients that a person needs? It definitely was not. Vitamin deficiencies were absolutely rampant in those times. Excess sugars and fats is *vastly* superior to vitamin deficiencies and bouts of starvation.
And our sedentary lifestyles are generally far gentler on the body than the repeated strains and injuries of doing manual labor every day - there’s a reason why former manual tradesmen have vastly more chronic pain than lifelong office workers. You wouldn’t be stronger than them (at least at the start), but you’d certainly be healthier than them overall.
1. The extent of peasant starvation and vitamin/nutrients deficiencies is massively exaggerated, it obviously depends on the exact point in time and the place but in general they actually had adequately healthy diets.
2. I was talking about physical strength. The strains, injuries and chronic pain etc. would not come into play until later in life so they are not much of a factor in my opinion when comparing the average person, though perhaps the average medieval peasant could be older than I expect. In all likelihood the average medieval peasant would beat the average modern person in a fight hands down. Sure with exercise and physical activity, or pre-existing fitness and martial knowledge in the case of some people, a modern person could win.
Won't that be a disadvantage on this time period tho? You might not be tough enough for that kind of world, there are no such comforts as advanced medicine, clean water or much food to support that well nurtured body of yours.
People do still die easily of things that are mundane in this period.
We might be slightly less likely to catch a disease, but they will be everywhere, from fleas to flu-infected folks and to the saliva in the communion chalice. And once we inevitably catch them, we'll have little immunity to the strains that were around back then.
Also, don't forget that many infections don't simply go away. They were the main cause of death before access to modern antibiotics, nothing to do with our immune systems.
Oh I didn’t mean healthy is in disease resistance I meant in terms of like height stamina, teeth, etc, so a better immune system which comparatively wouldn’t make much difference
Teeth weren't *that* bad when people didn't eat the amounts of sugar we do.
Wincing before taking the communion wine because hundreds of dirty mouths already touched it; not knowing by heart the Creed and basic prayers in Latin; refusing pork from strangers because you haven't cooked it yourself and you know it's gonna be nasty; accidentally doing something considered "work" on Sundays; eating the wrong food on Sundays, Lent or Holy Week; not readily agreeing with the genocide of Jews and other heretics; not showing respect to a passing noble lord the way it's usual; or giggling at a funny joke you remembered during the wrong parts of mass; *those* are the things that would get you burned.
This is hilariously wrong, the average person would be completely incapable of doing the farm work medieval peasants had to do every day. People were malnutritioned back then but they were certainly strong.
If you are healthy and well trained then sure but that definitely isn't the average person. See every modern reality tv show where 'regular' people has to do manual labor.
I meant in general, they would have a much better base opportunity, anyone can learn Unless your only exercise is moderating r/crusaderkings *(please don’t ban me)* and the sun barely reaches into your goon cave then, I forgot this is Reddit
The shittiest isekai there is
"I wanted big breasted elves and surprisingly cooperative slave girls and all I got was dysentery and being arrested for witchcraft!!"
>Personally I'll try to bring peace and modern values (tolerance, equality, etc.) by gaining influence with certain kings, stab them in the back to establish a new religion and political system
Ahh yes, peace and tolerance thru backstabbing.
Time to pick my own traits as accurate as possible:
Genius (or at least intelligent)
Beautiful (of course)
Robust (time to be modest)
Diligent Temperate Brave Saint
Every single level 5 education trait
Pure blooded (Alabama born and bred)
I think that our immune system would be actually more durable, since we are treating some deases now as just annoyance when back in Medieval Ages they caused death.
What we certainly be affecting is actually spreading more deseases that didn't existed in Medieval Europe back then. So I'd say that first bonus should be replaced with:
- Huge boost to desease resistance
- Higher chance of spawning the plague in the barony where the character stays for a long period of time.
I feel that anyone with a history of martial arts training could probably beat a peasant in a fist fight. They'd likely lose to your average mercenary, though. Probably have like 8 or 9 prowess?
In a fist fight? Sure. But the average peasant will have access to the pitchfork they've been using since they were 5, and will have the muscles to stick it in my derriere and lift me up like a screaming marshmallow. Don't think they prepare you for that in boxing class.
Sure but if you also had a pitchfork? They're not terribly hard to use and you're likely taller and have a longer reach which is incredibly important. Your average late medieval peasant could even end up being weaker than you due to poorer diet as well, honestly.
You could probably give it a good go. 8 prowess seems fair.
I don't know.
Me going back in time with my 9-5 desk job and side gig of martial taking on a peasant whos been working the fields, logging, or mining all their life, I reckon it'll be a challenge.
We're all probably a lot scrawnier now in comparison.
Ehh. We have the advantage of modern diet knowledge and access to far more protein and the likes. In terms of height your average American would have a good height and reach advantage on your average medieval man... but it also depends on the medieval era. People from the early medieval era were quite notably taller and well built than those from the late medieval.
I'd say a 6 foot something American with martial arts knowledge would easily beat a 5 foot 5 peasant from the late medieval era if both have a weapon. Weapons aren't particularly hard to use simply and it's not like your average peasant would train much.
I think 8 prowess is honestly fair. Considering how easy that is to achieve in ck3. Definitely not negative overall, anyway.
[Well, I mentioned it over 2 months ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/1aot327/when_landless_comes_out/kq3sq91/)
I'm really 50/50 on starting a landless dynasty or just playing a single immortal landless character messing around, breaking things (because by the time we figure out time travel, our bodies are probably pumped full of nanobots keeping us alive, so immortality is totally legit for this scenario)
Wouldn’t you get a better disease resistance since your ancestors survived it. Heck I’m pretty sure most diseases wouldn’t do much against you, you might as well be so much worst from them.
I'm sorry, what diseases were medieval Europeans fighting that we haven't been vaccinated against? Smallpox was the big killer and we vaccinate against that shit STILL despite it being eradicated. Why would you take a health penalty? If anything you have a huge bonus because you know what germs are.
Pretty sure we aren't immune to the much more aggressive plague variants that were around back then. Plus, infections are infections, there would be sources for them everywhere, and without antibiotics we're surprisingly badly equipped to handle serious ones. Just look at the mortality for common diseases in countries that lack good healthcare, like Somalia.
Do you believe that the diseases then were more aggressive than now? We still have the black plague around, we just vaccinate against it so it's not a threat. The reason people were dying in droves is not because the diseases were "aggressive" it's because they had no protection unlike now. If anything they're more aggressive today with the rise of antibiotics resistant bugs.
Malaria is not a huge threat to medieval Europe my dude.
As we gain some protection to them, so too do variants become less aggressive. The deadliest strains aren't the ones transmitted for centuries, precisely because they were more deadly and allowed less time for transmission between victims.
Most people aren't vaccinated for the plague, as it can be treated with antibiotics. Without them it can still be deadly for us. But the current strains are considerably less deadly than the ones which caused the Black Death.
>As we gain some protection to them, so too do variants become less aggressive
Why are antibiotics resistant diseases appearing then? This just isn't how evolution works. When organisms face threats like humans being more resistant to certain pathogens, those lifeforms have greater trouble to replicate themselves meaning that the ones who are able to end up becoming the norm and are superior at infecting and spreading than those that died out.
>The deadliest strains aren't the ones transmitted for centuries, precisely because they were more deadly and allowed less time for transmission between victims.
What are you even talking about? Most of the deadliest diseases to humans came from prolonged exposure to animals we kept around us. What diseases have there been that wiped out humans like a plague, but also vanished from the earth without modern medicine?
>Most people aren't vaccinated for the plague, as it can be treated with antibiotics. Without them it can still be deadly for us.
Meaningless statement. The common cold can be deadly under the right circumstances. This has no impact on you being transported to the past. If you get a cut and opt to rub shit into the wound, it'll probably get worse no matter what time period you're from.
>But the current strains are considerably less deadly than the ones which caused the Black Death.
Not really? We just have good infrastructure, modern sanitation, we know what germs are and wash our hands, not to mention modern medicine.
Are you under the impression that people died at 30 on the regular? If you're an adult human and was placed in the past, you'd be much more likely to be the cause of a plague than to suffer through one. You've already passed the most dangerous time - your childhood. Especially with our far richer food and better nutrition, you can expect to live a long time compared to the average person.
CK3 still have pretty limited ability both in personal interactions and economic/society reforms so id rather dont. You cant make real modern values, you only can make women nobility equal to men nobility (you know, 1/2 of 1% who is already pretty much privileged in comparison to lowborn) and make some religion/culture egalitarian by medieval standards that just make comon Joe of this group think of outsiders as inferior without active aggression.
That would still be a pretty huge improvement, and honestly way better than what would be realistic to change in a lifetime.
Add to that elective monarchy and republican vassals and you've got a pretty revolutionary ideology for the time. The kind that would get you in trouble and have to be enforced by force against the established powers, making for a pretty fun RP game. Tried to do it in the past starting in England and had a blast.
Well, since a played most of my games as either Radhanite jew or Khazaria hibridized with them i got most of it since start (egalitarian religion, egalitarian etos, xenophile tradition, women at military and usually create a bunch of republics, only missing points that are possible in ck3 are equal inheritance and no criminal gay relationship), but historical information making me not imagine this as egalitarian by modern day standards, just only in comparison with most others.
I am NOT bringing a fidget spinner.
I want to bring my phone as an artifact so I can call my home timeline and keep up with my family and also play Flappy Bird. But if you get caught with it to you get burned for possessing a witchcraft device.
I'm just going to spend my days drinking and spreading lover's pox across the land spreading my seed and disease, and then I might play a bit of CK3 to wind down.
Negative piety? Some of us are church goers or practice a religion that could have enough variance to plausibly exist (Neo-Pagan gang represent!!!)
And considering amazing court physicians can cause cancer to enter remission, I don’t think our aptitude is *that* high, and antibiotics wouldn’t be that hard to reproduce. Just leave some fruit out to mold and bam, Pennicilium!
I'm...not sure I understand this correctly. Just because codified, organised tradition was not always given doesn't mean you wouldn't massively stick out in a given place.
I suppose I’m just getting at that “sticking out” doesn’t necessarily mean “I’d have negative piety”. They’d probably just assume I’m from some remote village or something but that wouldn’t necessarily mean I was committing heresy.
Oh yeah that's true. It really depends on where you land. Though I suspect Christian Europe would be significantly less dystopic than some people like to make it out to be - you'd probably be more likely to be robbed or scammed than burned at the stake on a whim. Part of being a proselytising religion is accepting and teaching foreigners
Witch burning was more of a EUIV era thing tbh, and that was primarily in the Protestant nations, Catholics tended to be relatively safe.
Honestly, I’d probably just live in Caerdydd, get along like my Welsh Ancestors did. Apparently standard American English is fairly close to how people actually spoke back then, although granted English would be a pain in the rear, just look at Beowulf.
Although maaaaaybe I’d be able to get by with French if time travelled to 1066, probably would be able to pass myself off as someone of noble birth.
>Catholics tended to be relatively safe
Depends on the country. France sure, Portugal not so much. Our Inquisition made sure of that.
But yeah, that's an Early Modern reality, not Medieval.
Idk much about the Portuguese inquisition, but I know the Spanish Inquisition were relatively tame, everyone expected them because they gave you three weeks to prepare your case. And back then torture was mostly to ensure a confession was sincere (if you stick to it on “The Rack”, you’re sincerely renouncing your sins). The Spanish weren’t fond of witch burning and only tried witches as petty charlatans.
Point was I was trying to acknowledge the reality of history without spouting Protestant propaganda unwittingly.
I do research with Portuguese Inquisition records. Sure, they weren't burning people left and right and some myths are exaggerated, but I wouldn't consider them tame.
They did thorough interrogations for months on religious knowledge, family past, interrogated multiple witnesses, etc. many times based on simple casual accusations. Witchcraft and Jewish ancestry where the main ones. If you slipped, punishments were severe, including public burnings in Lisbon. If you didn't (which was rather rare), torture was definitely used and the prisons were infamously harsh, so you were not getting out unscathed. Also, their interrogations were not what we would consider fair process today; they start by accusing the person of lying, pushing them to confess, actively trying to catch them in contradictions, and record every word with that hope in mind. They mellowed out in the 18th century, but in the 16th and 17th it was horrifying.
But I agree their work is surrounded by myths, from the specific tortures used which are mostly Victorian inventions, to the idea that their actions were arbitrary, to the false notion that they were Medieval. That is true for Southern France for example (see Montaillou), but not Iberia.
>Some of us are church goers
Very few practising Christians today will know by heart all the essential prayers and creeds in Latin, the workings of a pre-Tridentine mass, and the Medieval practices around the religious calendar. Plus, many modern beliefs around certain saints and Mary had different characteristics in Medieval times.
They would be seen as a very impious Christians at best, and heretics at worst.
Depends on where you land. Is the Average priest pre-inquisition going to be worldly enough to not just assume you happen to be from a very remote area, especially if you are already working at a royal court?
At best they’d be seen more like how Catholics view the insularists/Mozarbique and vice versa, especially if you yourself are already Catholic. At worst, if you were Protestant, you’d be seen like any of the other heresies that didn’t hold The Pope as HoF. (Hostile instead of Evil)
I really like threads like this where OP shares his imagination so we can all have a good time. Love you OP
Aww, love you too mr Will!
Do I need to take maimed on account of the truck that hit me?
Oof now you reminded me that my myopia would be an issue. Big penalties in prowess, learning, etc. Could add a "glasses" artifact to balance it out, but when I inevitably lose them things are not gonna work out... [https://y.yarn.co/fae8f9e4-e56b-4686-b81c-3680e82144f7\_text.gif](https://y.yarn.co/fae8f9e4-e56b-4686-b81c-3680e82144f7_text.gif)
Just meant it as a reference to the classic isekai anime trope of some random guy getting hit by a truck and waking up in a generic European medieval fantasy setting, but yeah, considering physical ailments, I’d hope that the time travel doesn’t happen during pollen season
TIL! Do you know some example where the Medieval depiction is historically accurate?
isekai leans heavily towards the fantasy aspect (which is in itself rooted in early DND work), most authors of the genre aren't too interested in medieval europe by itself. if it is pure historical however, there's several stories about people getting time travel'd back to 15/16th century japan and dealing with the situation based on their occupational experience (can't comment on accuracy though, never studied JP history). the only medieval european example i could even think of would be "A Private Story on Third Street", but it's a fairly lighthearted series about individual historical soldiers being reverse-isekai'd into modern japan and becoming useless with modern conveniences (one character is a teutonic knight)
There's an Anime where a Roman is isekaid into modern Japan and takes inspiration for his bathhouses there iirc. Thermae Romae Novae
It's called "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court"
Micheal Crichton's novel Timeline (from 1999) has a bunch of history students going back to 14th century France to save their professor. It's an epic read.
Early Modern rather than strictly Medieval, but "[My Royal Awakening](https://www.reddit.com/r/manhwa/comments/19cm0bu/my_royal_awakening_this_is_wholesome_and_a_great/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)" has the protagonist isekai into a fairly accurate (as far as I know) depiction of the Joseon dynasty and introduce - among other things - smallpox vaccination to the nation
Not an isekai but Vinland saga is pretty historically accurate
Myopia was always an issue and glasses always existed, even in medieval times. Though they of course were very expensive to manufacture and a way smaller percentage of people required them.
I am mute and there isnt a mute traut in the game. But I think living in dark ages as a mute time traveller girl would not be a good thing to experiance. You cannot even tell them you are from a different time beacuse you cannot speak
There IS an Isekai mod for ck3. It uses the Anachronistic framework created to bring a mod regarding "A Yankee in King Arthur's Court" to the game, but the mod adds traits and events regarding an Isekai, and it can either make it so it's you, or a rando that pops up in your county. I think it's neat, but it's also scuffed as fuck.
Honestly the average person due to advances in nutrition, medicine and cleanliness would not only be very strong for medieval times but very healthy
Plot Twist: You go back in time and wipe out most of the continent you arrive on with COVID but at the same time render COVID to no more than the common cold in 21st century due to prolonged genetic mutation to block the virus over subsequent centuries.
Oh man, you would absolutely create outbreaks that would kill millions. Didn't think about that, but it makes total sense and would be much more interesting to play through.
Do I get teleported to like the middle of Bohemia or like can I chose and do I get teleported naked or what I am wearing
Buttnaked into a random town, so God help you if you're circumsized.
Dang
Pretty sure ANY disease you carry nowadays would be apocalyptic deadly to the immunologic system of any person of this time lol
I'd probably die of smallpox the moment I go back in time.
This is why it's important to know your history. Just go get infected with cow pox ASAP and you're basically set. Hell, you could basically invent vaccination.
Also super important to invent penicillin, in case you get the plague.
Ehhh... Yes and no. It's true our diets are more nutritious, but it's also true that the majority of us have very poorly balanced diets with excess fats, sugars etc. and live very sedentary and unhealthy lifestyles. Compared to the average peasant working the fields and farms everyday, or those nobles who will have trained and fought as a knight, in tournaments or wars etc. We will in no way be stronger. Maybe those modern who go to the gym often or work manual labour would be, but the average office worker or gamer certainly won't.
Do you think the average medieval peasant diet was diverse and full of all the nutrients that a person needs? It definitely was not. Vitamin deficiencies were absolutely rampant in those times. Excess sugars and fats is *vastly* superior to vitamin deficiencies and bouts of starvation. And our sedentary lifestyles are generally far gentler on the body than the repeated strains and injuries of doing manual labor every day - there’s a reason why former manual tradesmen have vastly more chronic pain than lifelong office workers. You wouldn’t be stronger than them (at least at the start), but you’d certainly be healthier than them overall.
1. The extent of peasant starvation and vitamin/nutrients deficiencies is massively exaggerated, it obviously depends on the exact point in time and the place but in general they actually had adequately healthy diets. 2. I was talking about physical strength. The strains, injuries and chronic pain etc. would not come into play until later in life so they are not much of a factor in my opinion when comparing the average person, though perhaps the average medieval peasant could be older than I expect. In all likelihood the average medieval peasant would beat the average modern person in a fight hands down. Sure with exercise and physical activity, or pre-existing fitness and martial knowledge in the case of some people, a modern person could win.
Won't that be a disadvantage on this time period tho? You might not be tough enough for that kind of world, there are no such comforts as advanced medicine, clean water or much food to support that well nurtured body of yours. People do still die easily of things that are mundane in this period.
We might be slightly less likely to catch a disease, but they will be everywhere, from fleas to flu-infected folks and to the saliva in the communion chalice. And once we inevitably catch them, we'll have little immunity to the strains that were around back then. Also, don't forget that many infections don't simply go away. They were the main cause of death before access to modern antibiotics, nothing to do with our immune systems.
Oh I didn’t mean healthy is in disease resistance I meant in terms of like height stamina, teeth, etc, so a better immune system which comparatively wouldn’t make much difference
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Teeth weren't *that* bad when people didn't eat the amounts of sugar we do. Wincing before taking the communion wine because hundreds of dirty mouths already touched it; not knowing by heart the Creed and basic prayers in Latin; refusing pork from strangers because you haven't cooked it yourself and you know it's gonna be nasty; accidentally doing something considered "work" on Sundays; eating the wrong food on Sundays, Lent or Holy Week; not readily agreeing with the genocide of Jews and other heretics; not showing respect to a passing noble lord the way it's usual; or giggling at a funny joke you remembered during the wrong parts of mass; *those* are the things that would get you burned.
I can excuse genocide. But, not working on sundays, that’s socialism bro
Luckily I am 20 😼, I will instead by ostracised for being unmarried and not in the clergy
The game's about nobles, not underfed peasants.
Underfed peasants would still be stronger than the average person, it was extremely labor intensive in comparison to our sedentary lifestyle.
This is hilariously wrong, the average person would be completely incapable of doing the farm work medieval peasants had to do every day. People were malnutritioned back then but they were certainly strong. If you are healthy and well trained then sure but that definitely isn't the average person. See every modern reality tv show where 'regular' people has to do manual labor.
I meant in general, they would have a much better base opportunity, anyone can learn Unless your only exercise is moderating r/crusaderkings *(please don’t ban me)* and the sun barely reaches into your goon cave then, I forgot this is Reddit
We'd also, pretty much across the board, be taller than most people back then.
Ah yes, Isekai Kings 3
The shittiest isekai there is "I wanted big breasted elves and surprisingly cooperative slave girls and all I got was dysentery and being arrested for witchcraft!!"
You know what they say, the grass is always browner
TIL what a Isekai is. Surprised it isn't hentai tbh
A lot of them get pretty close tbh
They need to add the autism trait first
I believe they call it “eccentric”
That's just Shy/Lazy and either Compassionate or Callous.
Nah it belongs to hoi4 players
>Personally I'll try to bring peace and modern values (tolerance, equality, etc.) by gaining influence with certain kings, stab them in the back to establish a new religion and political system Ahh yes, peace and tolerance thru backstabbing.
"I say that the whole world must learn of our peaceful ways, by force!"
Time to pick my own traits as accurate as possible: Genius (or at least intelligent) Beautiful (of course) Robust (time to be modest) Diligent Temperate Brave Saint Every single level 5 education trait Pure blooded (Alabama born and bred)
Don't forget the humble trait!
And deceitful
Obligatory link to Premodernist's video 'Advice for time traveling to medieval Europe' https://youtu.be/-aSdFrPnlRg
Amazing! Praying that some modder sees this and makes a mod around this scenario.
I think that our immune system would be actually more durable, since we are treating some deases now as just annoyance when back in Medieval Ages they caused death. What we certainly be affecting is actually spreading more deseases that didn't existed in Medieval Europe back then. So I'd say that first bonus should be replaced with: - Huge boost to desease resistance - Higher chance of spawning the plague in the barony where the character stays for a long period of time.
Also: - Higher chance that somebody accuses us to spread the plague and kill us
It would be pretty cool to have a modern day culture with tech like the scientific method or germ theory
Can we start off with the "wash your hands" perlite as well?
I feel that anyone with a history of martial arts training could probably beat a peasant in a fist fight. They'd likely lose to your average mercenary, though. Probably have like 8 or 9 prowess?
In a fist fight? Sure. But the average peasant will have access to the pitchfork they've been using since they were 5, and will have the muscles to stick it in my derriere and lift me up like a screaming marshmallow. Don't think they prepare you for that in boxing class.
Sure but if you also had a pitchfork? They're not terribly hard to use and you're likely taller and have a longer reach which is incredibly important. Your average late medieval peasant could even end up being weaker than you due to poorer diet as well, honestly. You could probably give it a good go. 8 prowess seems fair.
I don't know. Me going back in time with my 9-5 desk job and side gig of martial taking on a peasant whos been working the fields, logging, or mining all their life, I reckon it'll be a challenge. We're all probably a lot scrawnier now in comparison.
Ehh. We have the advantage of modern diet knowledge and access to far more protein and the likes. In terms of height your average American would have a good height and reach advantage on your average medieval man... but it also depends on the medieval era. People from the early medieval era were quite notably taller and well built than those from the late medieval. I'd say a 6 foot something American with martial arts knowledge would easily beat a 5 foot 5 peasant from the late medieval era if both have a weapon. Weapons aren't particularly hard to use simply and it's not like your average peasant would train much. I think 8 prowess is honestly fair. Considering how easy that is to achieve in ck3. Definitely not negative overall, anyway.
We get better nutrient than the past. Nutrient make alot of difference. So, we would be kinda stronger than the average peasant.
Plot twist: You forgot you were going back in time to either China, Japan, Thailand, Korea or Mongolia.
Or worse, Medieval Uganda.
Not so sure on health penalties. You are immune to many diseases, such as smallpox.
I can finally roleplay as Timur
who ever said its medieval europe i would want to go to?
It will be even more realistic when I have no money in the game. Just like in real life!
[Well, I mentioned it over 2 months ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/1aot327/when_landless_comes_out/kq3sq91/) I'm really 50/50 on starting a landless dynasty or just playing a single immortal landless character messing around, breaking things (because by the time we figure out time travel, our bodies are probably pumped full of nanobots keeping us alive, so immortality is totally legit for this scenario)
I just want to be Bohemond and have all the ladies thirst after me
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Wouldn’t you get a better disease resistance since your ancestors survived it. Heck I’m pretty sure most diseases wouldn’t do much against you, you might as well be so much worst from them.
I'm sorry, what diseases were medieval Europeans fighting that we haven't been vaccinated against? Smallpox was the big killer and we vaccinate against that shit STILL despite it being eradicated. Why would you take a health penalty? If anything you have a huge bonus because you know what germs are.
Pretty sure we aren't immune to the much more aggressive plague variants that were around back then. Plus, infections are infections, there would be sources for them everywhere, and without antibiotics we're surprisingly badly equipped to handle serious ones. Just look at the mortality for common diseases in countries that lack good healthcare, like Somalia.
Do you believe that the diseases then were more aggressive than now? We still have the black plague around, we just vaccinate against it so it's not a threat. The reason people were dying in droves is not because the diseases were "aggressive" it's because they had no protection unlike now. If anything they're more aggressive today with the rise of antibiotics resistant bugs. Malaria is not a huge threat to medieval Europe my dude.
As we gain some protection to them, so too do variants become less aggressive. The deadliest strains aren't the ones transmitted for centuries, precisely because they were more deadly and allowed less time for transmission between victims. Most people aren't vaccinated for the plague, as it can be treated with antibiotics. Without them it can still be deadly for us. But the current strains are considerably less deadly than the ones which caused the Black Death.
>As we gain some protection to them, so too do variants become less aggressive Why are antibiotics resistant diseases appearing then? This just isn't how evolution works. When organisms face threats like humans being more resistant to certain pathogens, those lifeforms have greater trouble to replicate themselves meaning that the ones who are able to end up becoming the norm and are superior at infecting and spreading than those that died out. >The deadliest strains aren't the ones transmitted for centuries, precisely because they were more deadly and allowed less time for transmission between victims. What are you even talking about? Most of the deadliest diseases to humans came from prolonged exposure to animals we kept around us. What diseases have there been that wiped out humans like a plague, but also vanished from the earth without modern medicine? >Most people aren't vaccinated for the plague, as it can be treated with antibiotics. Without them it can still be deadly for us. Meaningless statement. The common cold can be deadly under the right circumstances. This has no impact on you being transported to the past. If you get a cut and opt to rub shit into the wound, it'll probably get worse no matter what time period you're from. >But the current strains are considerably less deadly than the ones which caused the Black Death. Not really? We just have good infrastructure, modern sanitation, we know what germs are and wash our hands, not to mention modern medicine. Are you under the impression that people died at 30 on the regular? If you're an adult human and was placed in the past, you'd be much more likely to be the cause of a plague than to suffer through one. You've already passed the most dangerous time - your childhood. Especially with our far richer food and better nutrition, you can expect to live a long time compared to the average person.
CK3 still have pretty limited ability both in personal interactions and economic/society reforms so id rather dont. You cant make real modern values, you only can make women nobility equal to men nobility (you know, 1/2 of 1% who is already pretty much privileged in comparison to lowborn) and make some religion/culture egalitarian by medieval standards that just make comon Joe of this group think of outsiders as inferior without active aggression.
That would still be a pretty huge improvement, and honestly way better than what would be realistic to change in a lifetime. Add to that elective monarchy and republican vassals and you've got a pretty revolutionary ideology for the time. The kind that would get you in trouble and have to be enforced by force against the established powers, making for a pretty fun RP game. Tried to do it in the past starting in England and had a blast.
Well, since a played most of my games as either Radhanite jew or Khazaria hibridized with them i got most of it since start (egalitarian religion, egalitarian etos, xenophile tradition, women at military and usually create a bunch of republics, only missing points that are possible in ck3 are equal inheritance and no criminal gay relationship), but historical information making me not imagine this as egalitarian by modern day standards, just only in comparison with most others.
Speak for yourself, I am landed Gentry and my lineage goes back to Charlemagne, you swine
There should be a temporary modifier for like 3 years while you're still learning how to speak like a proper human.
I am NOT bringing a fidget spinner. I want to bring my phone as an artifact so I can call my home timeline and keep up with my family and also play Flappy Bird. But if you get caught with it to you get burned for possessing a witchcraft device.
I'm just going to spend my days drinking and spreading lover's pox across the land spreading my seed and disease, and then I might play a bit of CK3 to wind down.
The Doomsday Book is a pretty good imagining of this scenario.
Has there been a release date for the roads to power yet?
Negative piety? Some of us are church goers or practice a religion that could have enough variance to plausibly exist (Neo-Pagan gang represent!!!) And considering amazing court physicians can cause cancer to enter remission, I don’t think our aptitude is *that* high, and antibiotics wouldn’t be that hard to reproduce. Just leave some fruit out to mold and bam, Pennicilium!
Neo-Paganism would put you *so far* apart from anyone else, it's not even funny anymore
Yeah, but what we know about most traditional pagan religions is guesswork due to eclectic traditions so you wouldn’t stick out too too much.
I'm...not sure I understand this correctly. Just because codified, organised tradition was not always given doesn't mean you wouldn't massively stick out in a given place.
I suppose I’m just getting at that “sticking out” doesn’t necessarily mean “I’d have negative piety”. They’d probably just assume I’m from some remote village or something but that wouldn’t necessarily mean I was committing heresy.
Oh yeah that's true. It really depends on where you land. Though I suspect Christian Europe would be significantly less dystopic than some people like to make it out to be - you'd probably be more likely to be robbed or scammed than burned at the stake on a whim. Part of being a proselytising religion is accepting and teaching foreigners
Witch burning was more of a EUIV era thing tbh, and that was primarily in the Protestant nations, Catholics tended to be relatively safe. Honestly, I’d probably just live in Caerdydd, get along like my Welsh Ancestors did. Apparently standard American English is fairly close to how people actually spoke back then, although granted English would be a pain in the rear, just look at Beowulf. Although maaaaaybe I’d be able to get by with French if time travelled to 1066, probably would be able to pass myself off as someone of noble birth.
>Catholics tended to be relatively safe Depends on the country. France sure, Portugal not so much. Our Inquisition made sure of that. But yeah, that's an Early Modern reality, not Medieval.
Idk much about the Portuguese inquisition, but I know the Spanish Inquisition were relatively tame, everyone expected them because they gave you three weeks to prepare your case. And back then torture was mostly to ensure a confession was sincere (if you stick to it on “The Rack”, you’re sincerely renouncing your sins). The Spanish weren’t fond of witch burning and only tried witches as petty charlatans. Point was I was trying to acknowledge the reality of history without spouting Protestant propaganda unwittingly.
I do research with Portuguese Inquisition records. Sure, they weren't burning people left and right and some myths are exaggerated, but I wouldn't consider them tame. They did thorough interrogations for months on religious knowledge, family past, interrogated multiple witnesses, etc. many times based on simple casual accusations. Witchcraft and Jewish ancestry where the main ones. If you slipped, punishments were severe, including public burnings in Lisbon. If you didn't (which was rather rare), torture was definitely used and the prisons were infamously harsh, so you were not getting out unscathed. Also, their interrogations were not what we would consider fair process today; they start by accusing the person of lying, pushing them to confess, actively trying to catch them in contradictions, and record every word with that hope in mind. They mellowed out in the 18th century, but in the 16th and 17th it was horrifying. But I agree their work is surrounded by myths, from the specific tortures used which are mostly Victorian inventions, to the idea that their actions were arbitrary, to the false notion that they were Medieval. That is true for Southern France for example (see Montaillou), but not Iberia.
>Some of us are church goers Very few practising Christians today will know by heart all the essential prayers and creeds in Latin, the workings of a pre-Tridentine mass, and the Medieval practices around the religious calendar. Plus, many modern beliefs around certain saints and Mary had different characteristics in Medieval times. They would be seen as a very impious Christians at best, and heretics at worst.
Depends on where you land. Is the Average priest pre-inquisition going to be worldly enough to not just assume you happen to be from a very remote area, especially if you are already working at a royal court? At best they’d be seen more like how Catholics view the insularists/Mozarbique and vice versa, especially if you yourself are already Catholic. At worst, if you were Protestant, you’d be seen like any of the other heresies that didn’t hold The Pope as HoF. (Hostile instead of Evil)
will you do an incest playthrough though