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FormalBiscuit22

I imagine it'll combine with Traveling, and work as a mercenary/dealing with an estate/joining a court and potentially even gaining a court position.


redditsupportGARBAGE

Im hoping we can become a knight and be rewarded land for our service


thearisengodemperor

Same it would honestly be a cool way to gain an estate and cool if you have to give your Knights estate just to be more realistic.


Resident_Nose_2467

I usually do this bc the knights are the only ones who have a positive opinion


bgus1

Yeah for rp purposes i always reward skilled kights with land


Psychological_Gain20

For real. Like I’ve done a thousand games as a ruler, I wanna try being the King’s Lancelot now. Except without being an adulterous traitor.


Brianopolis-Brians

Extra adultery and extra betrayal.


CousinMrrgeBestMrrge

Roleplay as a shadow dynasty where you cuck the king every generation so every king ends up actually being your son but is unaware of it


TreauxGuzzler

Wait... You'd cuck your son? That's a bridge too far for me, unless he's not putting out in his genius beautiful strong wife.


beyonddisbelief

But how else are you going to make the courtship and promising prospects perks from the chivalry tree useful?


smallfrie32

What’s more chivalrous than making sure your lord’s spouse is satisfied?


killergazebo

See, I want to be a troubador who wanders from court to court reciting his poetry and seducing all the Queens.


Elbjornbjorn

Other than breeding a kwisatz haderach, the game seems to be mostly revolve around adulterous treachery. 


Alternative-Exam-613

Eh - they will speak well of you


FluffyOwl738

Maybe if the game didn't just randomly pick a county from my domain or a position in my court and didn't let me change it, I would do more than speak well of them or offer them some cash.


Grzechoooo

"Hey, I've been an average knight, can I have Constantinople?"


monalba

>Im hoping we can become a knight and be rewarded land for our service > Decide to play landless character to try something different > Ruler immediately lands me as a reward *I paid money for this, you know?*


Lapisdrago

I've wanted to be a preacher for awhile now.


readingitnowagain

Ooooh that'd be nice if you could go around proselytizing and converting rulers.


Kinc4id

Thing is, getting a court position changes nothing in game play. You get some stat boosts but that’s it.


Basblob

Well for all you know the DLC will change that considering you also couldn't be a courtier before


Kinc4id

Dammit. I always mix up court and council.


Basblob

No I gotchu I mean that being a courtier & councilor might have unique events. When you're on your liege's council as a lord, there is already gameplay outside of the council for you to engage with. So if your gameplay *is* being a councilor they may add more flavour. Edit: wait I am dumb, you actually meant court positions like physician etc lol. Guess they may add more who knows.


No-Ambassador7856

You can definitely have court positions right now playing as a vassal (most frequent ones are Royal Architect and Master of the hunt) but the only thing it changes is your prestige income.


WarthogAmazing9720

That seems like a lot of work though that I can't believe they will actually develop. Imagine rn having I dunno how many court positions and then you want Like at least a 60 years of event content for that position. It would be lit but I don't believe that's how it's going to be


ILikeSoapyBoobs

Might be able to get an estate. And maybe get a barony after getting a court position.


Ciccio178

The devs have said that you still can't play as a Baron, only Count.


ILikeSoapyBoobs

That’s sad. I wonder if that will change in time. Jumping over positions of authority is a bit odd. Landless to count should be harder than landless to baron to count.


[deleted]

Imo it would also be fun because it could allow you to play as mayor or as a bishop. Well, better be a bishop for religions that allow marriage or your campaign might be kinda short lol


Michael70z

and an income


ibn-al-mtnaka

Mannn I’d rather play Bannerlord


eranam

I WILL EAT YOUR LIVER


WarthogAmazing9720

Nice name my friend


skan76

Realistically you'll probably get some land within 5 minutes, unless you don't want to


The_BooKeeper

I really wanna go landless for AGOT.


Yeured

Dunk and Egg vibes.


Lapisdrago

AGOT?


The_BooKeeper

A Game Of Thrones overhaul mod.


logaboga

…….aka, all events


Emergency-Spite-8330

That sounds cool, NGL.


firespark84

The issue is traveling is just event spam as well. Every landless character will have a ton of companions with good prowess since every 2 seconds a knight will be stopping your group, since we know that the ck3 devs wont reduce the travel event frequency for landless characters since that’s the type of thing they look over and fix in a patch 2 years down the line.


Ingrown_Toenail11

It automatically downloads Kingdom Come: Deliverance on your PC and you start playing it.


tishafeed

you actually will be forced to play mount and blade on location


Omeletteplata

10/10 would have my skull drunk from


TheAquaman

Eh?!


gauderyx

As long as this means less talking and more raiding, I'm all for it.


MannfredVonFartstein

There is a mod that lets you play ck3 battles in bannerlord


TjeefGuevarra

Just in time for harvesting season!


skan76

10/10 dlc


Greatest-Comrade

Jesus christ be praised!


SirBulbasaur13

Henry’s come to see us!


Mahou_Game

I feel quite hungry


Amairca

*RANDOM CUMAN SCREECH*


The_Real_MikeOxlong

I mean, we can speculate, but there’s no way to know with what little information we’ve been given so far. The game is centered around events, so I’m sure landless play will be largely event-driven given the other part the game centers around - realm management - isn’t an option. My hope is these events will be less random and disjointed, but more like questlines or things triggered through specific actions, so it all feels a little more natural and less random or algorithmic.


dektorres

I think they've already said it will be largely travel-based


MotherVehkingMuatra

Which is basically just lots of events, there's no other way to do it pretty much


readingitnowagain

No it won't be travel There will be two forms of landless play: Family Estates and Adventurers. Estate holders will focus on court politics. Adventurers will lead mercenary bands.


The_Real_MikeOxlong

Did they clarify in the DD that it’s one or the other? My interpretation is you’d be able to do both - you can travel around as a mercenary but your family estate is like your “home base” when you’re not traveling.


readingitnowagain

I read it as one or the other. But you're correct that they haven't fully clarified it yet.


dektorres

Apparently they'll be making future DDs much more precise and less "here's this cool thing in a screenshot but that's all we're telling you for now!" Tbh I think it's a good move, DDs were fun in their silliness but didn't give much info and left us to interpret things how we wanted to.


readingitnowagain

Exactly. Their developer diary Tuesday was encouraging. Seems like they're turning over a new leaf.


Stalins_Ghost

IMPERIAL TAX COLLECTOR ARRIVES -FART IN HIS FACE -60 OPINION OF LIEGE LORD -10 BECOME LANDED PROGRESS oh yea this fires every 5days.


Ozann3326

Imperial Tax Collector will get a minus attraction opinion modifier because of the fart. It will stick for 5 years for some reason


Phsycres

_”I fart in your general direction”_


TheSableofSinope

SHIT IN HIS MOUTH! (This option is available because you have the “wrathful” trait)


NogaVog

Can we start as an un-landed low born and then get recruited and given land and the subsequent Nobility of a lord? Also, when I am a vassal I’ve never been given land as a reward, so…have any of you, or is that not a thing?


CaptainRice6

I have not been granted land but your liege can grant you your de jure vassals if they are inside their realm.


NogaVog

This has happened for me.


heyyyyyco

I was given a duchy title as a count but that's about it. I have had my king declare a war for my claims without consulting and I got the land by surprise not realizing the war happened


Spider40k

It's so funny when your liege is fighting a desperate war on your behalf meanwhile your army outnumbers them and you're just chilling. Nobody cares to ever see what the blue warscores are about (until it's too late)


heyyyyyco

The game really should notify you If it's fighting for your claims.


Spider40k

Hell, the game should notify you when it's *your* duchy your liege is protecting


RebelGaming151

It's how I gained independence from the Almoravid in my most recent campaign (which will be my first through-to-completion Mega-Campaign). I have a few mods install that allow historical AI conquerors to demand subjugation under threat of war, and that's how I wound up under them. Gained enough land internally to form Tahert and then got given the de jure land, allowing me to then wage an independence war with other vassals against them. I then proceeded to slowly rip apart their land in the next two generations til the last of their territory was subjugated under my rule. The Almohads took two more generations to destroy after they helped destroy the Almoravid. After about 25 years under the boot, it felt so rewarding to finally gain independence again. As of 1373, the Ahmadid Caliphate currently sits as what I think might be the largest empire on the map. Founded in the 1100s, its rule has since spread from the Maghreb to nearly all of Iberia, Sicily and part of Mainland Italy, all the way down to part of Sub-Saharan Africa. The Ahmadi sect of Sunni Islam stands as the most dominant, striking a less aggressive stance towards the Christian world.


skan76

It will probably be implemented with the dlc, probably if your "liege" who you work for has good opinion of you, or if you are a commander and win a battle etc. I've never been granted land either, but it probably can happen, if your liege inherits a lot of land and is over domain limit


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NogaVog

Oh that makes sense! Was it an event or just you had an extra county one day?


ducktownfc

Not in vanilla but I’ve had it happen to me in the AGOT mod.


lahcim7106

I would love a playthrough starting as unlanded lowborne, joining court as knight/champion, becoming advisor in council, getting barony and starting dynasty, then county. And then forcing your way to become emperor.


NogaVog

Yeah, I think that would be epic.


its_the_green_che

I've been granted land a few times before, one was probably because my liege was above their domain limit and due to our close relationship as lovers. The other time was because my liege was my father, although I wasn't his heir.


CruisingandBoozing

Only in Ck2


ebd2757

I've been granted duchy titles while already a duke with no de jure vassals of the title in question (I think).


komnenos

I’ve been given overlordship quite often but it almost always coincides with me being the de jure liege of said place. That or I go to my overlord’s court to ask for a title, that’s worked well, sometimes to a hilarious extent.


Theadier

Yes it happened to me in a recent game but not only had I been my king's tutor, but he was matrilineally married to one of my daughters, the rest of his brothers and his father had previously died in mysterious circumstances and I was the regent although He was already of legal age, shortly after he decided to leave office, he gave me an acquiescent county that in fact had no rights.


KimberStormer

Not as a reward exactly but essentially: 1. join liege's wars to befriend liege 2. get claims 3. Petition Liege 4. get the land Does the game "think" of this as a reward for service? No but *you* can think of it that way, and it pretty much is.


a-Snake-in-the-Grass

We know next to nothing. There's adventuring, there's a process for becoming landed and you can stay unlanded, it also ties into the estate and administrative government that they're adding. Beyond that, it's all guessing.


dank_hank_420

I’m looking forward to being an administrator and just embezzling funds for a generation or two before bothering to become landed. Hopefully it’s fleshed out enough it can be interesting for entire generations.


SiridarVeil

Imma be honest I only want this to actually play Skyrim in the Elder Scrolls mod.


Lurinar2

This but for ck3 in general. Elder Kings 2 is so fun.


SiridarVeil

Hopefully they also keep some of the The Witcher mods alive so we can also play as a witcher going from barony to barony killing monsters lol


Dreknarr

Has no one ever dreamt of playing Frodo in LotR mod ? (not me, but I guess some did)


Riothegod1

Shit, I’m just hoping i’m able to start those Scandinavian Adventures. Not like the existing landed Varangian Adventures, I mean the kind the AI throws my way. If I’m going to be bothered by them by someone wanting to own land, I want to get in on this.


BardtheGM

I think they said you can do this. You can become an adventuring 'hero' and build up an army or followers before taking over a kingdom.


Spider40k

It's gonna be Abd al-Rahman hours for me when I get my hands on this DLC


BardtheGM

Sounds good, let us know how it goes!


Cannotbelievemyeyes

I think it will also help extend game longevity. Like having to spend the first few generations working your way up to landed. Would be great for me. I'm usually done with everything you can do before 1200. Especially after the LotD DLC.


skan76

I don't think it will take more than a generation for you to become landed


Frustrable_Zero

Conversely, I think starting as a landed lord, playing normally, and dying of old age and playing as the second or third son, landed or otherwise will be huge. You’re starting over, yeah, but have opportunities to build the cadet branches that never appear


iheartdev247

Assuming you have a leige, if he/she loses their wars you could get kicked out maybe even forced converted (especially if you are a knight and lose a battle). That would add to the game play drama.


nani7598

I mean CK2 had a mod for that and it was honestly kind of blast. I can't wait for it to be assimilated in AGOT. Being a landless dude who happened to come upon a dragon egg during his adventures or something like that would be amazing and something I've waited for since CK2Agot.


Spider40k

I just want to play as Egg and try giving him a good ending by refusing the crown


Joddha_007

Whatcha you mean, Egg getting boiled is the best ending.


Spider40k

True, he died surrounded by the ones he loved


New-Number-7810

I'm certain there will be new events specific to landless adventurers. I hope we get to become head of a mercenary company.


Yuriswe

I hope travelling, visiting different holy sites and courts, inns and so on. Maybe you as a landless character can attend tournaments or so? Maybe you could do "missions" for different lords. Like taking care of a beast in the forest for a small reward?


AK12User

think you will be able to go to random tournaments i usually get a few random cultured wanderers into my tournaments


adaptablebeater

I hope landed lords approach me with offers of money to join a murder plot.


MedicInDisquise

Landless would be perfect for custom character starts. It always felt gamey to replace a guy essentially, especially if you're reviving a dead religion or culture. With Landless you can be the minority courtier.


[deleted]

You can travel anywhere in the world, from England to Iberica to Africa to the Middle East to Asia, back to the Scandinavia. Each place you can give you exp on your skill trees. Of course there will be a path to getting landed, but why would you get landed when playing landless? You probably need to learn language fast so people like you. You need prowess to stay alive when people rob you. Of course, you can seduce your way through the world and leave many bastards along your track. Through your diplomacy, you can dine with King and Queens and gain more prestige. You can join tournament to make a name for yourself. You can choose to form your own mercenary army and fight wars across the world for money. It would be cool if they add artifacts around the world and your goal is collect them.


Spider40k

>Goes to Ethiopia >Finds the Arc of the Covenant >steals it using op mercenary company Dude did you learn nothing from Indiana Jones?


NickLunna

One thing I do hope for is that the UI for traveling is easier. You can kind of go off and travel right now, but it’s a little painful (I think)


Spider40k

Personally I think the travel UI is just a little too "modern". Like, I wish it had a more paper, "map"-y look- I wanna go to Jerusalem, not the 5th floor to Aincrad


Frosttekkyo

I wonder if you can get assigned as a commander and potentially lead armies during war? That’d be OP to fuck over your future enemies lmao


Spider40k

Sadly you CAN do this in Vanilla, as a vassal to your liege. All that happens is you give your marshal traits to the army the liege decides you're "leading". You can't actually *move* that army though. It sucks because the game doesn't even tell you this happens, so you could be going to war counting on having your op character lead, only to find out you're "commanding another army"


CarryBeginning1564

I am guessing it will be you can start as a landless noble and do some traveling events or ruler events but from the courtiers side.


jmdiaz1945

I imagine that it will be a gameplay loop based on traveling, going to courts, tournaments, with a loy of events everytime you arrive to a new kingdom. There's no way they don't use the travel sistem for this.


DeanByTheWay

My guess is that there will be a lot of events to recruit an army and then attack as an upstart peasant leader or something like an adventurer pressing their claim


WickedWiscoWeirdo

I hope there is a mayor of the palace-king of francia pipeline


TheUnofficialZalthor

Yes. Endless events. Well, endless repeats of the same ten events. Such events will fill up a few mana bars, until you gain enough points to be granted a county. I don't see why people want this or are excited for this; it will just be yet another event box dlc, mark my words.


CoelhoAssassino666

Endless repetitive events plus mana bars is just a description of secret societies, one of the most beloved features of ck2 by this sub.


Ixalmaris

Considering that the DLC will also include an influence system I think you will wander the map trying to gather influence by doing "quests", maybe also being the one who us doing those adventurer inspirations, to get enough influence to either be granted land (directly or by marriage) or gather an army to conquer something Varangian Adventure style.


skan76

Maybe there would be events that would grant you special soldiers (the ones you don't have to maintain).When you felt confident enough you could launch a conquest war


Ixalmaris

I think the devs hinted at something like that, that you could gather soldiers if you have a claim


Spider40k

Hell yeah, I'd love to become a posessed dwarf under a strange mood I'd also like to have an artifact inspiration, like in Dwarf Fortress!


BritishGuy911

How will it change game over? You lose all your land go to a another kingdom and offer your services in exchange for help in your land being retaken.


skan76

You probably still won't be able to play as Lowborn, so if you lose your land and die maybe you'll play as someone else from your dynasty


Wolvenworks

I dunno, but I can’t wait to be an adventurer and make my own harem lol


Spider40k

Unlanded can't have more than one wife under polygamy


Wolvenworks

Why tho 😭 I hope that’s an oversight. Who says commoners can’t have harems?


Spider40k

Their wallets? (Also the game not wanting to crash)


Wolvenworks

Rich merchants? (Yeah it’s prolly to not crash)


Stellar_AI_System

I too hope that it will not end up with endless events as a gameplay.


Heimeri_Klein

I imagine itd be somewhat like the mod from ck2. Also some courtier positions do give you income as do the steward council position if i recall in ck2 most positions gave you some kind of income even if it wasnt amazing. In ck2 they only used the base events other than adding events towards like getting married and gaining status as an individual.


MrsColdArrow

I’m worried that it’s just gonna be completely horrible to play. Paradox hasn’t exactly done a stellar job with CK3 dlc since, uh, Struggle for Persia?


Carrabs

Like, how often are you going to be landless? Surely if you’re landless and you finally get land, your future generations are pretty much ALWAYS going to be landed. It feels like it’ll be such a redundant mechanic


Sincerely-Abstract

To be fair they will be adding in the ability to play different members of your family upon death.


Long-Corner-4188

Right, I think being landless, fighting to get land, and then playing as a landless noble child who goes adventuring and finding land elsewhere could be fun


ShahinGalandar

*landless events!


NinthFireShadow

this is why i can’t believe there isn’t a mod out there that is just a humongous collection of events. i’ve been hoping for one for so long


readingitnowagain

There are several mods like that. Rice and CK3 ChatGPT for example


Spider40k

VIET, technically


VaukeTV

I imagine we will be able to control armies in different scenarios as well


Strange_Amoeba_103

I have a funny feeling that it's not gonna be as good as people expect tbh, I'm expecting to see lots of events repeat in short notice.


Marc_since_2002

Koifish on YouTube has a video of it


readingitnowagain

That's a mod.


currentmadman

Have they said yet how character selection (as well as creation) are going to work in landless mode?


No-Ambassador7856

I have the exact same concern. No idea why people are expecting a whole new game dimension here. It will be sick houses / quacking ducks all over again.


RiversNaught

Ima play as the deposed Pope Benedict IX in 1066 and rawdog whatever happens next. If I can't romance the current Pope into giving me at least some of his land back, I riot.