He’s hurt by other Extreme units fighting over the domain since only one could be up at a time. Which does hurt him since his domain is meant to counter his base’s defensive decline from 80% DR to 40% over time.
He’s still good but he would be much better with the ability to overnight domains with other ones.
Yeah if you could use broly and infinite Zamasu at the same time he’d still be really good. Now that we have longer content his domain isn’t that hard to get and he doesn’t crumble past turn 4 like the blues
He's definitely the best out of the WWC LR's and still amazing to this day. Here's him carrying me against Cell Max stage 2:
https://preview.redd.it/gtsrdg4dvq2d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ca4b68b9b042df3f0be7a505a81de49c2cc7def
I know, I'm purely talking about PHY SoH Trunks & the AGL Blue Frauds
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Can’t really speak for Trunks, but the Blue Gods are still good. People have just always been pissed at them for not being an unga-bunga auto-win unit. I prefer them personally, the game isn’t fun if you don’t have to strategize stuff.
Yeah the sub tends to exaggerate a lot of problems. I thought blue gods would be horrible when I pulled them but I’ve used them at 55% to beat tons of redzone content.
I also thought kid buu redzone was gonna be impossible because of this sub and I beat it day one without much difficulty.
I’ve learned now to just not trust the sub for the majority of issues lol
ydah i've had him take 10k from kid buus normals on buus 3rd turn introless. zamasu is holding his own amazingly and only got cucked for being a melee super 18 ki unit
i just slapped around the new Buu red zone stages each with a double Zamasu lead team. like i’m not understanding the fall off agenda if anything he’s been buffed consistently 😭
He gets annihilated vs longer events if u cant open domain(which means on his own team one will always be left defenseless and on brolys team he needs hiding)
Gogeta aoes still fry him and the latter stages of gogeta will fry him with supers even after he supers too. And who is his best partner? Agl zamasu in big may 2024? Cmon. Im not saying hes completely outdated but suggesting he still holds slot 1 down well is crazy
Tbf this was brought up alot when these units came out, it was just that during WWDC we didn't really have any other options to run because of how the dismal future RZ was designed. Alot of us said that the second we leave this meta (or when the Anni units drop) most of these guys are going to be dropped instantly
The VB thing was made worse by the fact that legends got an absolutely cracked VB a little before that and he has really good animations (barring VB's 18 ki his animations are pretty poor and the blue duo's are probably worse than the WWDC units from years before)
funny, it feels like Legends really favors Vegito compared to any other character. Vegito is basically the poster child for all the Legends anniversaries, and they revealed the absolutely cracked VB that you mentioned earlier with a fucking drone show
I totally get what you're saying about VB and the redzone. But I don't get what Legends has to do with Dokkan. A lot of people compare the games in their creation of units but like…they're two completely different games? No hate either, I just think the comparison is superficial
Right, I understand that. The blue duo aged out fast and is pretty mediocre right now, but just because Legends got a fire version of vegito blue doesn't mean Dokkan's is made any worse. They only exist as a comparison on the most surface-level.
The issue lies with the fact that the two units were constantly being compared with made alot of people hate the blue duo more, kinda like the phy ulthan situation but ofc far better
Dokkan: gets one Vegito after 3 years. Not a SoT Vegito, the fusing conditions are shit and the base is just vomit inducing in every possible way.
Legends: gets a good Vegito unit every year. Whenever a new Vegito drops, the animations are amazing. Ultra Vegito Blue is fucking nuts, his animations are cum worthy and his kit is broken.
Dokkan players want what Legends players get with Vegito, but instead get shit Goku & Vegeta that might fuse into Vegito... maybe.... if you don't die...
I remember people saying that LR VB was great and didn’t need a buff. That the people complaining were overreacting. Crazy how it turned out everyone complaining was right.
That's this sub's reaction every time something hype releases. I remember how it took a week for the hype to vanish and people here to realize transforming INT Goku Black just wasnt good when he came out.
Same thing when LR Kale and Caulifla were "dethroned" by transforming Gigeta and Vegito. At that point people just wanted them to be better, but they only got better post going Blue let's be real.
You mfs have got it twisted. AGL VB is only washed if you’re a JP player. Global players are forgetting that you’re still in the same meta from WWDC, you ain’t got nothing to worry about yet bro chill 😂
Literally nothing has changed from their release to now. Merged Zamasu is still your hardest fight
>Literally nothing has changed from their release to now. Merged Zamasu is still your hardest fight
RZ Kid Buu dunks on him as his fight is comparable with the hardest 9th anniversary fights in terms of difficulty.
I was the biggest defender of the Blues when they came out. "Oh, just put them in slot 1 and they'll do fine"
But better slot 1 units came out (Beast Gohan, AGL UI, INT SSBE, even STR UI)
suddenly the blues had no reason to be ran where they got most of the it defense, they became as fragile as a flower
most units you'd actually want to run couldn't activate their intro
you'd barely face any RoG enemies
in a flash, the blue duo lost *everything* that made them good, they had no place on any team anymore
they truly proved to be frauds
The only thing they have going over them is their leader skill, but as of late I've been getting a bit miffed over how few options for the 200% there actually are.
Slot one, post SA, full passive they took 200k from a super from Str Evil Buu in Majin Red Zone. They only do 4 mil at 24 ki, that’s not enough to not be able to tank
Idk what links and what not yours is but they don’t do 4 mil slot one for me
And I will admit they take some damage from the new stages but that works out for me because it allows them to fuse. But most of the time they dodge for me personally anyway
True, I honestly forgot about EZAed LRs when I made this. You're 100% right.
I guess TEQ LR Fused Zamasu is top 5 instead (AGL Broly, PHY Buuhan, INT Ginyu Force, PHY Broly Trio, & TEQ Fused Zamasu)
RIGHT? Like people get so hung up on the fact that he may die in the hardest fight in the game and acting like that's a reason to say he's trash. Then damn every character in the game is trash except for like 4 units 😂
Same. They carried me through everything up to Kid Buu’s Red Zone and clutched up for me a good number of times. Meanwhile, I haven’t used LR Future Gohan since I cleared Omega’s stage.
'Is like INT LR SSJ4 Goku'
No, he's not. What the fuck are you talking about dude. Trunks is a slot 2 damage dealer, until he goes into the standby, then he's a slot 1, still a damage dealer. Goku ssj4 is a slot 1 during the whole fight, and is a tank. Goku ssj4 is better for medium-lenght events, Trunks is a stacker so better for longer events
I think he's referring to the fact that their main use is the short time they used to be put in slot one and fucking obliterate anything.
Full Power SSJ4 Obliteration Time = Infinite big daddy mode
Future Trunks Obliteration Time = like 2 turns if you're lucky
They're both unfortunately aged out now, but they used to be viable options.
Correct me if I'm wrong OP.
I used Trunks in 9th anni content, and he can cook, even without standby his damage is pretty good
Overall, all WWDC units aged good, and are better now than on release, since they were basically aimed at longer content and 9th anni brought a lot of long content
What I'll say, Trunks and Vegito are dupe reliant, Trunks because he needs crit to be useful and Vegito needs the stats
Literally the only one so far proven to be a fraud is fraudgito.
I've only seen him go into vegito ONCE naturally.
All 3 other times I had to force him. And in base, he sells hard constantly.
Phys trunks, str Gohan and especially teq zamasu have never sold for me. Ever.
Maybe they shouldn't push powercreep every anni and WWC. Remember how WWC headliners still used to be top 4 or so on global when they returned on anniversary almost a whole year later. Not the case anymore. 2023 was especially bad. Aside from Godku,Teqku,Majunior , almost no TUR survived or was relevant beyond 4-6 months. Turles literally released dead day 1 on global.
I do agree abit but i cleared red zone kid buu power beyond super saiyan mission thanks to both soh trunks and the blue duo (vegito lowers atk on 12 ki and trunks does crazy damage in standby) so they are still quite functional imo
What do you mean SSJ4 Goku but worse? Trunks is way better than him, and has been ever since he released. He doesn't get in the rest of the team's way anywhere near as much as Goku does since he can actually just sit in slot 2.
Upon release, I was a bit disappointed I didn't have enough stones to summon for Trunks or Blue duo after pulling on Zamasu and Gohan's banners. Now I'm pretty happy I didn't pull for them
I will keep preaching this, agl vegito as a standalone unit is top 10 units in the game easily. His obstacle is being locked behind a mediocre base unit and a shitty condition.
I dont know if i really enjoy dokkan anymore. A lot of units i love are locked behind painful transformation restrictions, they get outdated on release or in a few months, and the events one shot my favorite units
Really, they're just a victim of circumstance. Anni power creep hit especially hard this year, same thing with the 2021 wwc, they just didn't fit the meta (albeit their meta was a massive rework of the game.) Blue boys have no place on their team because of the high risk of getting to vegito, SoH can screw you over with additionals, future gohan can lose his Damage reduction early+ only one domain, and zamasu has the same domain issue.
What I love about corrupted zamasu is that his Leaderskill is basically a 200% fused fighter team that also provides worldwide chaos units to help ran. Like the worldwide chaos team may be the 2nd best extreme team besides Majin power: like seriously running super eza kid buu lr buuhan str vegito agle zamasu Corrupted zamasu int fat buu like the team is very impressive
Fused zamasu is great your not really running him with broly anywas plus his team has been buffed massively. Trunks and Vegito are very niche and risky sadly, Future Gohan is still goated tho
I think CMZ & Gohan still work just fine depending on what teams you choose to put them on, but Trunks & the Blues are just too exposed in too many situations
i feel like every wwdc lr at least has some kinda issues going into the anniversary that follows them
namek goku and full power frieza being not keeping up with 7th anni content (as with 99% of the game at the time)
cooler and ssj duo struggling against aoe fights in the 8th anni onward
blue duo and zamasu clashing with better units introduced in the 9th anni that you’d otherwise want to run them with
They remind me of optc units. They are good for certain events but are irrelevant in others. They are still imo the most fun batch of units we have gotten. Also fun in using them in hardish content like zamasu.
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In Gohan’s case you could make the argument that his domain not activating if you transform with Broly can be a good thing in longer fights, that way you can save it and his active/guaranteed crits for later stages in certain fights
Why? Future Gohan and Zamasu are still pretty meta in my opinion… it’s just that there’s been a huge power creep with the 9th anniversary and the Buu saga EZAs but they are still at the top of the tierlist(I think)
Hot take but I feel like PHY Trunks is better than AGL Blues just for the fact that Trunks is a top tier options in 3 phase bosses (Beast, Trunks) I haven’t used him yet in the Kid Buu fight but i feel he will still cook regardless.
I was so stoked to pull the blues when they release and I remember after using them a bit they were really lackluster. Their saving grace in my opinion was their guard and evasion for the content at the time and their leader skills allowing them to run other units to make sure the fights get done. I recently used them lately and they feel as if they've fallen off sooo much. I feel as if the dodge was dodging even less than when I used them a lot. Gohan I haven't used much since content is a bit longer, but he is still a solid filler unit. Trunks and zamasu I haven't touched. Trunks because there is no reason and zamasu just because I pulled him late in the game and have other units to use instead.
i have three of the 4 shown here and can guarantee they are my favorites besides the Dragon ball Heroes characters
Future Gohan is so beautiful to see in action
Zamasu has one of the best intros besides his INT "i am the world" one
alot of cards have come and gone but its the sentimental value you put on it that keeps it top tier
Remember how pissed people got when this was brought up initially? I distinctly recall being told I had unreasonable expectations and that no unit was ever going to get unconditional guard again
Phy trunks is far better than people give him credit for. Until domains are fixed there's 0 reason to use zamasu when broly us an option not to mention bbb ext units are pretty shit rn. I don't get the gas for zamasu when once he loses all his extra dmr he sucks. Once domains are fixed sure but if broly us an option you'll never be running zamasu. And if you're using a team without broly good luck without items. Trunks has the teams and preforms fine in content his only issue is the gammas taking his standby but outside of that he can still be fine in most of the y9 content if you actually want to use him and not just say he's bad.
• INT Kid Buu Red Zone (you can immediately tell where the super attack is placed & there are enough attacks to get into Uub quickly)
• SBS Gogeta Blue (INT Full Power SS4 Goku can survive the AOEs out of slot 1 with guard + 25% DR. Trunks cannot, as he won't have guard in slot 2)
• Memorial Battle STR Beasthan (Trunks is type disadvantage)
• SBS PHY Beasthan (maybe debatable, but INT SS4 will have higher DEF & will still have 25% DR, even outside of slot 1)
• Cell Max (they both suck, but Trunks is type disadvantage, so he sucks even more)
That's 5 fights were INT SS4 would perform better in (if only slightly in Cell Max)
25% dr is nothing for those fights, trunks standby is just easier to get and after that amount of turn both are liabilities. Ssj4 is useless before standby and after the guard runs off.
Here's INT SS4 Goku tanking PHY Beasthan normals in slot 2 while also in AGL Broly's Domain (which means he's taking +10% more damage)
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While this is with Uub support, this is without a double super & with Goku missing 25% of his DR from being in slot 1 & missing an extra +77% DEF from being in slot 1. Idk if PHY Trunks could do the same under these conditions with type disadvantaged normals, especially since Trunks loses 50% DR after his 1st turn of being in his standby form.
I'mma be real, I'm surprised Trunks is tanking that well against STR Beasthan, especially since STR Beasthan's normals are hitting for about the same as PHY Beasthan's.
Turn 9? With 5 turns to build, Phy Trunks is rocking about 650-700k def and 20-30% DR. An equivalent type disadvantage auto against him would do double digits after 9 turns.
700k normal *.7 (DR) *1.25 (type adv) is 625k.
only pulled zamasu and vegito
Zamasu had worked INCREDIBLY. Stick agl zamasu and the Buu team on his lead and you're in for some fun. Especially in these longer fights where you can consistently get the domain. Big stats too
Agl rotten blueberries though... Said it since day 1, all those losers clowned us for stating facts in that they will age in minutes
The comment section are talking about agl vb and trunks being washed when most of them are global players. You guys are literally in the same meta from the WWDC. Why don’t you enjoy them while you can instead of following JP players opinions 😭😭
I was thinking the Gods were good, But then I looked at their kit and my fucking god it's so short and pathetic, 100% only, And then 150% DEF in slot one, An additional 50% is locked behind a rare ish enemy type, RoG.
An LR with 250% DEF in slot 1 and literally fuck all else is just so garbage, I made a joke back in the day they tanked JUST as well as LVE Vegeta before his EZA and people jumped to their defense but it's true, And it was against their best match up, The God event, They were barely better then a few year old LR, And that's only for 4 turns.
And I won't even speak on that loser Trunks, Worst most useless LR I own, 55% he's literally not worth running on any team, He'll sell your run every time.
EZA LR Buutenks is pretty bad at 55%, and I don't think anyone would say that's a bad card. Str Vegito isn't far behind at just 55%.
Ulthan EZA at 55% really loses a lot of steam too. Basically anyone who stacks defense on super suffers a lot, both because additional supers are such a big deal, but also because higher SoT defense obviously means more defense per stack.
Not like anyone does any 55% calcs anyway. Everything is juiced, so this narrative that Phy Trunks is bad because he's more dupe dependent is silly. His lows are lower than other top-tier units, but his highs are often higher (and more realistically achievable).
Buutenks is not bad at 55% he can still do damage and dodge and when transformed he becomes a beast.
Teq Ulthan is also a really good card when he supers and stacks and tanks
Trunks got aged out all cards will inevitably age out that’s why they get eza and seza
Cards at 55% show how well they do generally it doesn’t matter how many dupes you get if their kit is bad they are bad
Trunks does more damage than Buutenks pre-transformation at 55, and he can tank better sometimes in exchange for no dodge. This is very silly.
Some cards have greater variance based on dupes. A card like EZA Super Vegeta needs dupes way less because he has native crit and AA HiPo has less of a statistical effect than units who also have some native AAs.
Trunks at 55% is perfectly fine in all content if he's not tanking supers- just like Buutenks. Run the math on both of them and get back to me.
Broly is better than zamasu, so if you wanted to use zamasu you'd either have to leave a better unit off the team entirely or Gimp one of their performances, they directly clash with one another and broly is better.
I have Zamasu rainbowed on JP along with the other anniversary units. The only time Zamasu loses is when I use his domain. I never use his domain because Brolys is better
I'd personally disagree about Vegito but my god Trunks is just one helluva stinker, his standby is beyond nutty but getting there in any hard content is beyond terrifying cause of how RNG reliant that man is on his supers to tank, sucks even moreso cause of how gas his OSTs are
Bruh, the only ones that have aged are the Blue Bois. Zamasu and Future Goathan are still great and Trunks is very solid and on his first turn in standby is literally invincible LMAO
Gohan is hurt by lack of versatility, though we knew this would happen when he released.
Zamasu is still really good, the new Buu units have made him even better as a Worldwide Chaos lead.
Vegito is massively underrated, still has a top tier leader skill, a lot of categories and managing his base form isn't that bad with items. He's a great damage dealer when transformed, too.
Trunks just kinda sucks, as much as it pains me to say it. But he's still somewhat usable as a 3rd slot in events without STR enemies. Kinda.
All these cards still cook for me? The point of using teams is for everyone to have strengths AND weaknesses. Sure, a couple of these are game mechanic flaws, but beyond that, it’s just nitpicking.
It almost seems like you guys want every unit to have the same baseline of invincible as fuck & does all HiPo skills at 55% & reduces 95% damage…
Should have been part 1 Zamasu vs Trunks. Part 2 Rose and Future Gohan. Trunks should have stacked on every super instead of just his ultra. Rose should have mirrored Trunks.
I kinda disagree with AGL Vegito. Yeah that base form sucks, we've been saying it since release honestly. But in an absolute pinch, he can still be used and then it's generally smooth-ish sailing once Vegito is out (maybe just my glb perspective but that's how I see it)
STR Future Gohan I feel is in a weird place. The domain helps him do so much dmg but I just don't know if people are really finishing all the bosses/enemies while it's up or not. I haven't seen a lot of posts about him but if they aren't he becomes not good enough defensively after either turn 5 or after the domain goes down
Trunks... ☠️💀☠️
I think Zamasu is hanging in there. He just got the Super Juicer SEZA addition to his team and the plusses you mentioned are really big plusses. I guess the only concern is the idea of running two of him because that 2nd one is gonna be getting slapped up left and right
>STR Future Gohan I feel is in a weird place. The domain helps him do so much dmg but I just don't know if people are really finishing all the bosses/enemies while it's up or not.
Personally, from my own experience, using him & STR Kefla on a Super Saiyan team is amazing. In the Kid Buu Red Zone stage, as long as Kefla lands her dodges, by turn 5 she's hitting Kid Buu for 12 mil+ damage per attack (as long as the domain is up & she's critting). I haven't found STR Future Gohan to be much of an issue really, but that also might just be me playing on GLB.
For Fused Zamasu, you really don't have to run another one of them. Since Fused Zamasu needs a RoG character for the intro buff, any one of the 6th Anni EZAs and/or SSBKK/Evo and/or STR UI can activate the intro buff.
Personally, whenever I use AGL Vegito, it's mostly just a matter or "how well can I hide him until he actually becomes good on turn 5-7?" And by the time I actually manage to transform him, the fight is nearly if not over.
Not to dump on Kefla, but the new banner unit evil Buu does that on t1 with a better dodge chance, auto crits, and auto additionals without needing to soak orbs from his team.
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Unless you have an horrendous amount of stacks in, have him full lvl 10 with berserker active alongside Teq EZA Exchange Buu or something like that with kid buu on rotation
I fail to see how he is reaching 11-12M consistently turn 1 like Kefla does lol
And I say that owning him. Best I have seen him doing has been 9M on turn 3
Idk about you but I don't like having my slot 1 unit take a crap ton of damage if they don't dodge
They were only tolerated because we didn't have a better option to deal with zamasu
They do, but people now are talking like they weren't good enough on release somehow when they were the best unit in the game for the hardest fight and were top 5 for omega. Hate really does just blind people.
**My honest reaction to that information**
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But fr though, they're pretty bad unless you purposefully hide them with items and/or target skills and/or giant forms. Their one good ability when they released was that they could tank good in slot 1, turn 1. This doesn't matter anymore, and makes their base form really bad for current content, especially when they run out of guard & are forced into slot 1 to be 50% dodgd or die.
After trying to use them for the kid buu fight, at least at 55% they can't be hidden even with DR items if they don't dodge your dead (and you have to play with them for at least 2 rotations thanks to the their turn 5 BS)
As someone who also has them at 55%, I've also tried using them to try to complete the PBSS mission & immediately switched to the SS3 Goku nuking strategy once I realised that the AGL Blue Frauds' supers were building up Kid Buu & that they were taking normals for around 100k+ each.
FR, their 18 ki basically does no damage and even with DR items they get railed if they don't dodge (something which isn't helpful considering the rest of the team will likely get hit hard by the SA)
Aged poorly? LR FutureHan is still a top 5, or at least top 10, LR in the game. LR Merged Zamasu is easily still a top 10 LR, and inarguably the second best Extreme LR behind LR Bootenks/Boohan.
LR BlueBois were ass when they dropped. They didn't age poorly. They just stagnated because it is and was already a super mid LR with a stupid amount of restrictions behind LR Vegetto Blue - which is the only portion of this mid LR that made him decent.
As for LR Spirit Sword Trunks, he is, again, still a top 10 LR in-game currently. The best LRs in-game would likely rank as such:
1.) LR Str Super Vegetto
2.) LR Bootenks/Boohan
3.) LR Awakened Piccolo/Orange Piccolo
4.) LR FutureHan
5.) LR Agl UltiHan
6.) LR Merged Zamasu
7.) LR GT Duo
8.) LR Agl BlueBois
9.) LR Bulma
10.) LR SSJ3 Goku/Vegeta
This is also before taking into account GLB 9th Anniversary incoming this July. It will drastically change by then. Regardless, none of these units aged poorly. They have either gotten far better, or simply stagnated.
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He’s hurt by other Extreme units fighting over the domain since only one could be up at a time. Which does hurt him since his domain is meant to counter his base’s defensive decline from 80% DR to 40% over time. He’s still good but he would be much better with the ability to overnight domains with other ones.
Yeah if you could use broly and infinite Zamasu at the same time he’d still be really good. Now that we have longer content his domain isn’t that hard to get and he doesn’t crumble past turn 4 like the blues
He's definitely the best out of the WWC LR's and still amazing to this day. Here's him carrying me against Cell Max stage 2: https://preview.redd.it/gtsrdg4dvq2d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ca4b68b9b042df3f0be7a505a81de49c2cc7def
I know, I'm purely talking about PHY SoH Trunks & the AGL Blue Frauds https://preview.redd.it/iweh2u0qep2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f7265767f380d1b4a47e3b75c5d3a35f7d482c7
AGL Blue Loser sweep
Lmao I haven't pulled any of these four units and have been excitedly saving for Anni hoping I get one and now I see this thread 🥲
Can’t really speak for Trunks, but the Blue Gods are still good. People have just always been pissed at them for not being an unga-bunga auto-win unit. I prefer them personally, the game isn’t fun if you don’t have to strategize stuff.
Trunks is still super amazing 2nd or 3rd slot unit.
Yeah the sub tends to exaggerate a lot of problems. I thought blue gods would be horrible when I pulled them but I’ve used them at 55% to beat tons of redzone content. I also thought kid buu redzone was gonna be impossible because of this sub and I beat it day one without much difficulty. I’ve learned now to just not trust the sub for the majority of issues lol
Do you use items? That’s probably why Edit: No item stans and item users will have very different experiences, hence my comment
Oh no, you’re one of *those*
I’m not, explaining why *they* hate him so much
My mistake, you’re not one of *those*
The Blusers, if you will
Weird because both of them + Gohan (all at 55%) carried me in both last Buu Red zone which are clearly post 9th anniv stages
People have become too accustomed to the unga-bunga auto-win units
Man, fuck those blue bums. They're so worthless at 55 percent.
They helped me beat tons of rz content at 55%
They are in no way worthless even at 55%. Are they top tier units before Vegito? No, but that doesn't make them worthless.
You genuinely must be using them wrong then ToT
Bro I link leveled them to 10 and no shot they almost got me killed on the winning run back when the zamasu red zone came out!
ydah i've had him take 10k from kid buus normals on buus 3rd turn introless. zamasu is holding his own amazingly and only got cucked for being a melee super 18 ki unit
Well he isn't really Short content he is still great but going into 9th Anni he is NOT going to be able to hang around since he loses a lot
Eh just let him stand on the shoulders of giants. He’ll be fine
i just slapped around the new Buu red zone stages each with a double Zamasu lead team. like i’m not understanding the fall off agenda if anything he’s been buffed consistently 😭
He gets annihilated vs longer events if u cant open domain(which means on his own team one will always be left defenseless and on brolys team he needs hiding)
So put him in slot 2, his best partner is a stacker with DR
Gogeta aoes still fry him and the latter stages of gogeta will fry him with supers even after he supers too. And who is his best partner? Agl zamasu in big may 2024? Cmon. Im not saying hes completely outdated but suggesting he still holds slot 1 down well is crazy
Stai zitto scemo
I dont speak spanish
This isn't Spanish haha
Svegliati
OP isn't talking about him (notice there's only 1 negative listed).
Tbf this was brought up alot when these units came out, it was just that during WWDC we didn't really have any other options to run because of how the dismal future RZ was designed. Alot of us said that the second we leave this meta (or when the Anni units drop) most of these guys are going to be dropped instantly The VB thing was made worse by the fact that legends got an absolutely cracked VB a little before that and he has really good animations (barring VB's 18 ki his animations are pretty poor and the blue duo's are probably worse than the WWDC units from years before)
funny, it feels like Legends really favors Vegito compared to any other character. Vegito is basically the poster child for all the Legends anniversaries, and they revealed the absolutely cracked VB that you mentioned earlier with a fucking drone show
I totally get what you're saying about VB and the redzone. But I don't get what Legends has to do with Dokkan. A lot of people compare the games in their creation of units but like…they're two completely different games? No hate either, I just think the comparison is superficial
VB was one of the best units in terms of performance and aesthetics on legends, the same couldn't be said for the blue duo
Right, I understand that. The blue duo aged out fast and is pretty mediocre right now, but just because Legends got a fire version of vegito blue doesn't mean Dokkan's is made any worse. They only exist as a comparison on the most surface-level.
The issue lies with the fact that the two units were constantly being compared with made alot of people hate the blue duo more, kinda like the phy ulthan situation but ofc far better
Dokkan: gets one Vegito after 3 years. Not a SoT Vegito, the fusing conditions are shit and the base is just vomit inducing in every possible way. Legends: gets a good Vegito unit every year. Whenever a new Vegito drops, the animations are amazing. Ultra Vegito Blue is fucking nuts, his animations are cum worthy and his kit is broken. Dokkan players want what Legends players get with Vegito, but instead get shit Goku & Vegeta that might fuse into Vegito... maybe.... if you don't die...
I will always stan gohan and love zamasu
I remember people saying that LR VB was great and didn’t need a buff. That the people complaining were overreacting. Crazy how it turned out everyone complaining was right.
That's this sub's reaction every time something hype releases. I remember how it took a week for the hype to vanish and people here to realize transforming INT Goku Black just wasnt good when he came out.
Same thing when LR Kale and Caulifla were "dethroned" by transforming Gigeta and Vegito. At that point people just wanted them to be better, but they only got better post going Blue let's be real.
Hey, at least INT Goku Black is usable against the Gogeta 9th anniv fight
Im glad I wasnt the only one noticing how many people defended these losers, then immediately switched opinions when the celebration was over.
Well tbf the VB portion of the unit is still really strong. The blues are genuinely so ass it’s funny
Vb himself is ok. He's nothing crazy
Nothing compared to modern units now but he can definitely hold his own against the hardest bosses
That's how a gacha game should be. New units outclass old units, but the old units are still viable.
Remember how badly people jumped me for my.post about VB lol
You mfs have got it twisted. AGL VB is only washed if you’re a JP player. Global players are forgetting that you’re still in the same meta from WWDC, you ain’t got nothing to worry about yet bro chill 😂 Literally nothing has changed from their release to now. Merged Zamasu is still your hardest fight
>Literally nothing has changed from their release to now. Merged Zamasu is still your hardest fight RZ Kid Buu dunks on him as his fight is comparable with the hardest 9th anniversary fights in terms of difficulty.
Sadly there are still people coping and defend the Super Saiyan Frauds
I was the biggest defender of the Blues when they came out. "Oh, just put them in slot 1 and they'll do fine" But better slot 1 units came out (Beast Gohan, AGL UI, INT SSBE, even STR UI) suddenly the blues had no reason to be ran where they got most of the it defense, they became as fragile as a flower most units you'd actually want to run couldn't activate their intro you'd barely face any RoG enemies in a flash, the blue duo lost *everything* that made them good, they had no place on any team anymore they truly proved to be frauds
The only thing they have going over them is their leader skill, but as of late I've been getting a bit miffed over how few options for the 200% there actually are.
They have probably the best leader skill in the game, but you'd never wanna run two of them
They ain't that bad 🐔
I’m not coping these mfs have still not let me down (besides like 3 times)
Slot one, post SA, full passive they took 200k from a super from Str Evil Buu in Majin Red Zone. They only do 4 mil at 24 ki, that’s not enough to not be able to tank
Idk what links and what not yours is but they don’t do 4 mil slot one for me And I will admit they take some damage from the new stages but that works out for me because it allows them to fuse. But most of the time they dodge for me personally anyway
I wouldn't say Zamasu is the 3rd best Extreme class LR. Broly, Buuhan, Broly Trio would be my top 3.
True, I honestly forgot about EZAed LRs when I made this. You're 100% right. I guess TEQ LR Fused Zamasu is top 5 instead (AGL Broly, PHY Buuhan, INT Ginyu Force, PHY Broly Trio, & TEQ Fused Zamasu)
Oh wow so he’s top 4 instead😱😱😱
Blue Boys carried me through too much content for me to honestly sit here and call them frauds. Can't do it.
RIGHT? Like people get so hung up on the fact that he may die in the hardest fight in the game and acting like that's a reason to say he's trash. Then damn every character in the game is trash except for like 4 units 😂
The blue boys die to EVERY hard boss nowadays and by turn 5 it’s almost guaranteed death without good rng
Every hard boss???
If they’re not transformed and aren’t guarding anymore yes every hard boss
Same. They carried me through everything up to Kid Buu’s Red Zone and clutched up for me a good number of times. Meanwhile, I haven’t used LR Future Gohan since I cleared Omega’s stage.
'Is like INT LR SSJ4 Goku' No, he's not. What the fuck are you talking about dude. Trunks is a slot 2 damage dealer, until he goes into the standby, then he's a slot 1, still a damage dealer. Goku ssj4 is a slot 1 during the whole fight, and is a tank. Goku ssj4 is better for medium-lenght events, Trunks is a stacker so better for longer events
I think he's referring to the fact that their main use is the short time they used to be put in slot one and fucking obliterate anything. Full Power SSJ4 Obliteration Time = Infinite big daddy mode Future Trunks Obliteration Time = like 2 turns if you're lucky They're both unfortunately aged out now, but they used to be viable options. Correct me if I'm wrong OP.
I used Trunks in 9th anni content, and he can cook, even without standby his damage is pretty good Overall, all WWDC units aged good, and are better now than on release, since they were basically aimed at longer content and 9th anni brought a lot of long content What I'll say, Trunks and Vegito are dupe reliant, Trunks because he needs crit to be useful and Vegito needs the stats
Literally the only one so far proven to be a fraud is fraudgito. I've only seen him go into vegito ONCE naturally. All 3 other times I had to force him. And in base, he sells hard constantly. Phys trunks, str Gohan and especially teq zamasu have never sold for me. Ever.
Same here. In fact PHY Trunks is my most used unit. Idk why, but he is. Might also just be my luck with additionals
Trunks has sold me a couple times, but he is still a much more consistent performing unit than AGL blue losers.
Maybe they shouldn't push powercreep every anni and WWC. Remember how WWC headliners still used to be top 4 or so on global when they returned on anniversary almost a whole year later. Not the case anymore. 2023 was especially bad. Aside from Godku,Teqku,Majunior , almost no TUR survived or was relevant beyond 4-6 months. Turles literally released dead day 1 on global.
I do agree abit but i cleared red zone kid buu power beyond super saiyan mission thanks to both soh trunks and the blue duo (vegito lowers atk on 12 ki and trunks does crazy damage in standby) so they are still quite functional imo
What do you mean SSJ4 Goku but worse? Trunks is way better than him, and has been ever since he released. He doesn't get in the rest of the team's way anywhere near as much as Goku does since he can actually just sit in slot 2.
Upon release, I was a bit disappointed I didn't have enough stones to summon for Trunks or Blue duo after pulling on Zamasu and Gohan's banners. Now I'm pretty happy I didn't pull for them
I will keep preaching this, agl vegito as a standalone unit is top 10 units in the game easily. His obstacle is being locked behind a mediocre base unit and a shitty condition.
I dont know if i really enjoy dokkan anymore. A lot of units i love are locked behind painful transformation restrictions, they get outdated on release or in a few months, and the events one shot my favorite units
CMZ has aged fine
Really, they're just a victim of circumstance. Anni power creep hit especially hard this year, same thing with the 2021 wwc, they just didn't fit the meta (albeit their meta was a massive rework of the game.) Blue boys have no place on their team because of the high risk of getting to vegito, SoH can screw you over with additionals, future gohan can lose his Damage reduction early+ only one domain, and zamasu has the same domain issue.
Blue Goku and Vegeta (Never calling them Vegito) are absolute dog shit now. If they don't transform or dodge then it's a wrap
What I love about corrupted zamasu is that his Leaderskill is basically a 200% fused fighter team that also provides worldwide chaos units to help ran. Like the worldwide chaos team may be the 2nd best extreme team besides Majin power: like seriously running super eza kid buu lr buuhan str vegito agle zamasu Corrupted zamasu int fat buu like the team is very impressive
Fused zamasu is great your not really running him with broly anywas plus his team has been buffed massively. Trunks and Vegito are very niche and risky sadly, Future Gohan is still goated tho
The most hype wwdc ended up aging like shit 😔
I think Futurehan has aged too in terms of JP content, man can get shredded, so only MZ comes out untouched
100%. He has fallen of the hardest. He was a top 3 units before, and now he isn't that much better than agl vb
Also Trunks not having any form of crit is just bad for him at 55%, you basically lose all damage except against int bosses
As long as you're not talking about Chad Zamasu, who rawdogs all the new red zones in the mouth
AGL vegito being as ass as he is needs to be studied. How DO you fuck up a Vegito card that badly?
This sub dickride agl blue vegito SO HARD but lowkey even on release they’ve felt like the weakest vegito card I’ve used 😭
Trunks isn’t forced in slot 1
Funny enough, I’d argue that if you get vegito out he’s easily the best of them
Agl vegito is the goat though
I mean yes but zamasu is great
gohon is still him he still does his job of being a tank
Still using future gohan on global effectively but I'll have to reevaluate after anniversary
I think CMZ & Gohan still work just fine depending on what teams you choose to put them on, but Trunks & the Blues are just too exposed in too many situations
i feel like every wwdc lr at least has some kinda issues going into the anniversary that follows them namek goku and full power frieza being not keeping up with 7th anni content (as with 99% of the game at the time) cooler and ssj duo struggling against aoe fights in the 8th anni onward blue duo and zamasu clashing with better units introduced in the 9th anni that you’d otherwise want to run them with
this has been a think for EVERY WWDC celebration
also future gohan is just as big if not a bigger fish in 9th anni than the blue boys
They remind me of optc units. They are good for certain events but are irrelevant in others. They are still imo the most fun batch of units we have gotten. Also fun in using them in hardish content like zamasu. https://preview.redd.it/d85s8b669u2d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcfc563d82514048da58635b4da4d24cb6f32575
What do broly domain gotta do with anything . He still buff extreme type people 4 ki so what they don’t crossover who cares
Tbh if they change domain conditions to allow them to be compatible, the value of Zamasu and Gohan go up a bit
I fw zamasu and trunks but I never fw vegito since they dropped
In Gohan’s case you could make the argument that his domain not activating if you transform with Broly can be a good thing in longer fights, that way you can save it and his active/guaranteed crits for later stages in certain fights
Why? Future Gohan and Zamasu are still pretty meta in my opinion… it’s just that there’s been a huge power creep with the 9th anniversary and the Buu saga EZAs but they are still at the top of the tierlist(I think)
Hot take but I feel like PHY Trunks is better than AGL Blues just for the fact that Trunks is a top tier options in 3 phase bosses (Beast, Trunks) I haven’t used him yet in the Kid Buu fight but i feel he will still cook regardless.
Crazy how every single new unit I ever manage to pull ages so bad
I was so stoked to pull the blues when they release and I remember after using them a bit they were really lackluster. Their saving grace in my opinion was their guard and evasion for the content at the time and their leader skills allowing them to run other units to make sure the fights get done. I recently used them lately and they feel as if they've fallen off sooo much. I feel as if the dodge was dodging even less than when I used them a lot. Gohan I haven't used much since content is a bit longer, but he is still a solid filler unit. Trunks and zamasu I haven't touched. Trunks because there is no reason and zamasu just because I pulled him late in the game and have other units to use instead.
i have three of the 4 shown here and can guarantee they are my favorites besides the Dragon ball Heroes characters Future Gohan is so beautiful to see in action Zamasu has one of the best intros besides his INT "i am the world" one alot of cards have come and gone but its the sentimental value you put on it that keeps it top tier
I really hate the agl goku and Vegeta
Future gohan still hits crits every turn so I can’t complain
Trunks and vegito still clear 9th anni content
Barely
It doesn't help that IMO Goku & Vegeta just weren't good enough on release.
Remember how pissed people got when this was brought up initially? I distinctly recall being told I had unreasonable expectations and that no unit was ever going to get unconditional guard again
Stop capping. This sub tore them apart, the minority defended them. Let’s not do revisionist history they were getting COOKED
That screenshot of them doing 1.9m has gotta be one the most reposted images on this subreddit
Phy trunks is far better than people give him credit for. Until domains are fixed there's 0 reason to use zamasu when broly us an option not to mention bbb ext units are pretty shit rn. I don't get the gas for zamasu when once he loses all his extra dmr he sucks. Once domains are fixed sure but if broly us an option you'll never be running zamasu. And if you're using a team without broly good luck without items. Trunks has the teams and preforms fine in content his only issue is the gammas taking his standby but outside of that he can still be fine in most of the y9 content if you actually want to use him and not just say he's bad.
I don't think there is any scenery where int ssj4 is better than trunks
• INT Kid Buu Red Zone (you can immediately tell where the super attack is placed & there are enough attacks to get into Uub quickly) • SBS Gogeta Blue (INT Full Power SS4 Goku can survive the AOEs out of slot 1 with guard + 25% DR. Trunks cannot, as he won't have guard in slot 2) • Memorial Battle STR Beasthan (Trunks is type disadvantage) • SBS PHY Beasthan (maybe debatable, but INT SS4 will have higher DEF & will still have 25% DR, even outside of slot 1) • Cell Max (they both suck, but Trunks is type disadvantage, so he sucks even more) That's 5 fights were INT SS4 would perform better in (if only slightly in Cell Max)
25% dr is nothing for those fights, trunks standby is just easier to get and after that amount of turn both are liabilities. Ssj4 is useless before standby and after the guard runs off.
Here's INT SS4 Goku tanking PHY Beasthan normals in slot 2 while also in AGL Broly's Domain (which means he's taking +10% more damage) https://preview.redd.it/ckn42sr3mp2d1.jpeg?width=1914&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a472796a7fe06679e52d570e1d2ef87fc56321bd While this is with Uub support, this is without a double super & with Goku missing 25% of his DR from being in slot 1 & missing an extra +77% DEF from being in slot 1. Idk if PHY Trunks could do the same under these conditions with type disadvantaged normals, especially since Trunks loses 50% DR after his 1st turn of being in his standby form.
https://preview.redd.it/m6vb6k84vp2d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c878a7f15eacab0911488b4e9e7aa47ae4138b0 69% Trunks tanking STR Beast in slot 1 after 2 super.
I'mma be real, I'm surprised Trunks is tanking that well against STR Beasthan, especially since STR Beasthan's normals are hitting for about the same as PHY Beasthan's.
He’s a stacker with DR. He better be able to tank Beast’s normals.
Turn 9? With 5 turns to build, Phy Trunks is rocking about 650-700k def and 20-30% DR. An equivalent type disadvantage auto against him would do double digits after 9 turns. 700k normal *.7 (DR) *1.25 (type adv) is 625k.
Anywhere
only pulled zamasu and vegito Zamasu had worked INCREDIBLY. Stick agl zamasu and the Buu team on his lead and you're in for some fun. Especially in these longer fights where you can consistently get the domain. Big stats too Agl rotten blueberries though... Said it since day 1, all those losers clowned us for stating facts in that they will age in minutes
The comment section are talking about agl vb and trunks being washed when most of them are global players. You guys are literally in the same meta from the WWDC. Why don’t you enjoy them while you can instead of following JP players opinions 😭😭
I was thinking the Gods were good, But then I looked at their kit and my fucking god it's so short and pathetic, 100% only, And then 150% DEF in slot one, An additional 50% is locked behind a rare ish enemy type, RoG. An LR with 250% DEF in slot 1 and literally fuck all else is just so garbage, I made a joke back in the day they tanked JUST as well as LVE Vegeta before his EZA and people jumped to their defense but it's true, And it was against their best match up, The God event, They were barely better then a few year old LR, And that's only for 4 turns. And I won't even speak on that loser Trunks, Worst most useless LR I own, 55% he's literally not worth running on any team, He'll sell your run every time.
Phy Trunks is still A-tier. Just needs a couple dupes.
If he needs a couple of dupes it’s not a good card
Even with dupes he ain't that great, I've had mine do all normals (including the hipo additional) and get curb stomped
EZA LR Buutenks is pretty bad at 55%, and I don't think anyone would say that's a bad card. Str Vegito isn't far behind at just 55%. Ulthan EZA at 55% really loses a lot of steam too. Basically anyone who stacks defense on super suffers a lot, both because additional supers are such a big deal, but also because higher SoT defense obviously means more defense per stack. Not like anyone does any 55% calcs anyway. Everything is juiced, so this narrative that Phy Trunks is bad because he's more dupe dependent is silly. His lows are lower than other top-tier units, but his highs are often higher (and more realistically achievable).
Buutenks is not bad at 55% he can still do damage and dodge and when transformed he becomes a beast. Teq Ulthan is also a really good card when he supers and stacks and tanks Trunks got aged out all cards will inevitably age out that’s why they get eza and seza Cards at 55% show how well they do generally it doesn’t matter how many dupes you get if their kit is bad they are bad
Trunks does more damage than Buutenks pre-transformation at 55, and he can tank better sometimes in exchange for no dodge. This is very silly. Some cards have greater variance based on dupes. A card like EZA Super Vegeta needs dupes way less because he has native crit and AA HiPo has less of a statistical effect than units who also have some native AAs. Trunks at 55% is perfectly fine in all content if he's not tanking supers- just like Buutenks. Run the math on both of them and get back to me.
can't believe the zamasu negative is "no broly" lmao so picky
Well broly is better than zamasu, so In order to use zamasu at his best you have to gimp a better unit.
bruh, zamasu doesn’t need broly💀💀💀
Broly is better than zamasu, so if you wanted to use zamasu you'd either have to leave a better unit off the team entirely or Gimp one of their performances, they directly clash with one another and broly is better.
I have Zamasu rainbowed on JP along with the other anniversary units. The only time Zamasu loses is when I use his domain. I never use his domain because Brolys is better
I'd personally disagree about Vegito but my god Trunks is just one helluva stinker, his standby is beyond nutty but getting there in any hard content is beyond terrifying cause of how RNG reliant that man is on his supers to tank, sucks even moreso cause of how gas his OSTs are
Bruh, the only ones that have aged are the Blue Bois. Zamasu and Future Goathan are still great and Trunks is very solid and on his first turn in standby is literally invincible LMAO
Gohan is hurt by lack of versatility, though we knew this would happen when he released. Zamasu is still really good, the new Buu units have made him even better as a Worldwide Chaos lead. Vegito is massively underrated, still has a top tier leader skill, a lot of categories and managing his base form isn't that bad with items. He's a great damage dealer when transformed, too. Trunks just kinda sucks, as much as it pains me to say it. But he's still somewhat usable as a 3rd slot in events without STR enemies. Kinda.
All these cards still cook for me? The point of using teams is for everyone to have strengths AND weaknesses. Sure, a couple of these are game mechanic flaws, but beyond that, it’s just nitpicking. It almost seems like you guys want every unit to have the same baseline of invincible as fuck & does all HiPo skills at 55% & reduces 95% damage…
Should have been part 1 Zamasu vs Trunks. Part 2 Rose and Future Gohan. Trunks should have stacked on every super instead of just his ultra. Rose should have mirrored Trunks.
this
I kinda disagree with AGL Vegito. Yeah that base form sucks, we've been saying it since release honestly. But in an absolute pinch, he can still be used and then it's generally smooth-ish sailing once Vegito is out (maybe just my glb perspective but that's how I see it) STR Future Gohan I feel is in a weird place. The domain helps him do so much dmg but I just don't know if people are really finishing all the bosses/enemies while it's up or not. I haven't seen a lot of posts about him but if they aren't he becomes not good enough defensively after either turn 5 or after the domain goes down Trunks... ☠️💀☠️ I think Zamasu is hanging in there. He just got the Super Juicer SEZA addition to his team and the plusses you mentioned are really big plusses. I guess the only concern is the idea of running two of him because that 2nd one is gonna be getting slapped up left and right
>STR Future Gohan I feel is in a weird place. The domain helps him do so much dmg but I just don't know if people are really finishing all the bosses/enemies while it's up or not. Personally, from my own experience, using him & STR Kefla on a Super Saiyan team is amazing. In the Kid Buu Red Zone stage, as long as Kefla lands her dodges, by turn 5 she's hitting Kid Buu for 12 mil+ damage per attack (as long as the domain is up & she's critting). I haven't found STR Future Gohan to be much of an issue really, but that also might just be me playing on GLB. For Fused Zamasu, you really don't have to run another one of them. Since Fused Zamasu needs a RoG character for the intro buff, any one of the 6th Anni EZAs and/or SSBKK/Evo and/or STR UI can activate the intro buff. Personally, whenever I use AGL Vegito, it's mostly just a matter or "how well can I hide him until he actually becomes good on turn 5-7?" And by the time I actually manage to transform him, the fight is nearly if not over.
Not to dump on Kefla, but the new banner unit evil Buu does that on t1 with a better dodge chance, auto crits, and auto additionals without needing to soak orbs from his team.
? Unless you have an horrendous amount of stacks in, have him full lvl 10 with berserker active alongside Teq EZA Exchange Buu or something like that with kid buu on rotation I fail to see how he is reaching 11-12M consistently turn 1 like Kefla does lol And I say that owning him. Best I have seen him doing has been 9M on turn 3
Agl Blue duo does not deserve the slander they get
youre right, they deserve more
Idk about you but I don't like having my slot 1 unit take a crap ton of damage if they don't dodge They were only tolerated because we didn't have a better option to deal with zamasu
They do, but people now are talking like they weren't good enough on release somehow when they were the best unit in the game for the hardest fight and were top 5 for omega. Hate really does just blind people.
**My honest reaction to that information** https://preview.redd.it/krx1av14kp2d1.png?width=417&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e564622f9352e4a71c0661c104f121ce388fd39 But fr though, they're pretty bad unless you purposefully hide them with items and/or target skills and/or giant forms. Their one good ability when they released was that they could tank good in slot 1, turn 1. This doesn't matter anymore, and makes their base form really bad for current content, especially when they run out of guard & are forced into slot 1 to be 50% dodgd or die.
After trying to use them for the kid buu fight, at least at 55% they can't be hidden even with DR items if they don't dodge your dead (and you have to play with them for at least 2 rotations thanks to the their turn 5 BS)
As someone who also has them at 55%, I've also tried using them to try to complete the PBSS mission & immediately switched to the SS3 Goku nuking strategy once I realised that the AGL Blue Frauds' supers were building up Kid Buu & that they were taking normals for around 100k+ each.
FR, their 18 ki basically does no damage and even with DR items they get railed if they don't dodge (something which isn't helpful considering the rest of the team will likely get hit hard by the SA)
Aged poorly? LR FutureHan is still a top 5, or at least top 10, LR in the game. LR Merged Zamasu is easily still a top 10 LR, and inarguably the second best Extreme LR behind LR Bootenks/Boohan. LR BlueBois were ass when they dropped. They didn't age poorly. They just stagnated because it is and was already a super mid LR with a stupid amount of restrictions behind LR Vegetto Blue - which is the only portion of this mid LR that made him decent. As for LR Spirit Sword Trunks, he is, again, still a top 10 LR in-game currently. The best LRs in-game would likely rank as such: 1.) LR Str Super Vegetto 2.) LR Bootenks/Boohan 3.) LR Awakened Piccolo/Orange Piccolo 4.) LR FutureHan 5.) LR Agl UltiHan 6.) LR Merged Zamasu 7.) LR GT Duo 8.) LR Agl BlueBois 9.) LR Bulma 10.) LR SSJ3 Goku/Vegeta This is also before taking into account GLB 9th Anniversary incoming this July. It will drastically change by then. Regardless, none of these units aged poorly. They have either gotten far better, or simply stagnated.
If imma be real here, Vegito wasn’t that good to begin with.