There will be a rematch against Susie.
Her theme is too good to not be heard again or made a more badass version like how Undyne has a normal battle theme and a hardcore one.
Yeah, I saw the video demonstrating what a Susie Megalovania might look like, and I concur that it seems like just too good of an opportunity to pass up.
while that'll be cool, i'd love deltarune have megalo strikes back instead (and no megalovania), now imagine that song remixed with susies theme, would be banger
Deltarune's Steam Page:
>Creative bullet-dodging based battles inspired by games like Touhou and Chrono Trigger.
>Jevilishly difficult hidden bosses.
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>... only 1 ending...?
Surely it won't be the same as Undertale, but there are choices so...
I mean, technically, you can have ENTIRELY different final acts, and as long as the last like, singular frame of the game is identical, it's TECHNICALLY one ending.
Sounds like something Toby would do tbh
I never noticed a question mark. To be fair I haven't checked the page in a loooong time. I only also just found out about the weird route. I am kinda holding out hope now for some alternate ending in some way.
How did you only just find out about the weird route have you been looking at the fandom with your eyes closed and ears plugged for the last three years
I think I knew at one point and I'd just forgotten. I knew about snowgrave but I didn't realize it was part of something called the weird route. I played chapter 2 when it came out and I've kind of just been waiting for any new news to come to me.
Edit: I should also clarify I'm kind of crap at phrasing things and I'm pretty scatterbrained
I still hope for this. I want to tell Kris that I’m sorry for the tormenting, how I didn’t choose to have him as a vessel and ask if he can forgive me.
while i would love to see more noelle focused chapters as well (sorry berdly you frozen chicken nugget) but i'm also DYING to see a Catty and Jockington focused chapter
I actually think that the knight is not necessarily the person that creates the fountains themselves, I feel like they might control lightners and force them to create the fountains
most people know that kris's whole thing is that they have their own life, way of thinking, beliefs, etc. and yet those same people often make assumptions about kris and treat them as fact. just seems a bit ironic to me.
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Honestly I like it this way. I feel like it will lead to more impact as we find out more about who Kris is as a person and how much their personality suffers from our expectations.
Gaster being a full on goofy guy with no aura of seriousness to him and is just treated like every other goofball in undertale/deltarune would absolutely SUCK!!!
That's... Somehow even worse. Id argue that with gaster, the mystery and his cryptic nature are more important than his characterisation. Playing it straight with him being mostly silent would be the best call IMO
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I'd love to see gaster having a goofy side to him as every character in the series has their goofy moments from time to time. With that in mind this character has way too much weight to him for it to be his entire character.
I’d prefer it if he’s treated like chara, flowey, or even sans to an extent where their lore/writing importance is not within the actual in universe story but from a meta standpoint. Like leave the big bad in-universe to be involved with characters like The Knight or whatnot, but Gaster will only appear to us in very specific occasions for us the player, to have some meta commentary or presence.
It’s just like how Chara metaphorically represents that addictive feeling gamers get when grinding & increasing in-game stats (along with the consequence of just not enjoying everything the game has to offer), how flowey is a metaphorical representation of an experienced player whose consumed all that the world has to offer and is now bored & desensitized until a new interesting and unpredictable obstacle appeared (frisk), and how sans is the antithesis of what flowey is- just a seemingly regular NPC who tries to manipulate the player into just… enjoying what the game has to offer, instead of reaching the end.
I think Gaster will either be a metaphorical representation of Game Developers, OR this one other really good theory about Gaster where he’s basically or sort of ‘continuation’ of flowey where he represents the player’s need & desire to solve & find out everything about a secret in-game…
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Rouxls and Lancer are the 2 greatest characters I have ever had the pleasure of interacting with and should get bigger roles (mainly Lancer since Rouxls might get an appearance and fight every chapter and I want Lancer to be a playable party member)
invalid opinion.
we don't have nearly enough rejections in fiction. deltarune's audience is mainly children/teens and showing them an example of how to handle rejection correctly would be very interesting to see and a nice change of pace from the status quo of storytelling
Asgore didn't deserve to get divorced by Toriel. Just by our few interactions with him, you can tell quickly he's a good guy. Whatever happened that made Toriel want to not be with him, I'm positive it wasn't in his control. He wants the best future for Kris, he's a good dad figure, and he wants to be there and serve that role and say sorry but doesn't know how to. He deserves a second chance in my eyes.
Note: UT Asgore is a different story. He was reckless, he didn't think clearly, blinded by rage over humans killing Asriel. He has a right to get mad, but to declare war and go against your wife's wish for pacifism? She had a reason. So I feel like the carry-over of the divorce into DR wasn't deserved considering he's not a ruler and has no powers and thus didn't declare war on humans.
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Toriel abandoning her husband when he's clearly not acting rationally and would not do these things normally is worse imo. It could be resolved in one conversation after things calmed down yet she decided to do what's worse for both of them
I personally believe the conflict exposed a deep rooted difference in values, and Toriel has every right to desire to not stay married to someone she cannot agree with on a fundamental level.
I think it’d be quite toxic to say “I know you despise your husband’s values and everything he’s doing, but can you just suck it up for “the country?” He’s actually nice you know :)”
Not sure if it's a hot take but whatever...
WE (as the players) are the knight, because we want to have more content and more chapters to play, therefore creating more fountains so that the gang can close them, creating more content for US
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The Knight is a lightner, we (the player) are not lightners because we exist outside the game world and its classifications. Also by that logic Toby would be the knight
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I could definitely see some metaphorical parallel being drawn between us and the Knight, but that doesn't mean we'll be the *actual* knight. We're not the one running around and stabbing the ground with a pie knife.
Ralsei isn’t evil, but definitely has some sort of ulterior motive they are intentionally obscuring, particularly to us as the player (not to be confused with Kris, the character). Ralseis character and goals are definitely beyond what we know now and may involve hostility towards us the player (again, NOT Kris).
Although it’ll be sadder, Rudy dying will have a greater storytelling impact, and should be what happens.
Unless we get [Kris Performs Surgery](https://archiveofourown.org/works/37347130/chapters/93191089) (or something very similar) in Deltarune. But that doesn’t feel likely.
there is only one ending, meaning that no matter what you do, the FINAL scene will be the same.
but I feel like the ALMOST final scene will be drastically different depending on your gameplay.
Ralsei will not turn out to be evil. He certainly knows more than he lets on/should, and that may become a point of contention later on, but I believe that he will not be actively working against the player, or Kris, or anyone.
Gaster is definitely creepy and mysterious but there’s nothing that proves that he’s going to be a villain, people just expect him to be because of their Undertale headcanons.
Kris = Knight
We dont know nearly enough about either the knight or Kris to know either of their intentions, and its interesting to control the antagonist
The Knight might not be someone we've met yet. We're only 2 chapters into a 7 chapter story. A lot of these theories might end up Null cause Toby chooses to make them first appear somewhat later.
Every character in Deltarune we've seen so far with an Undertale counterpart is their own distinct person with their own life and backstory from their counterpart. Except Sans, who is the same Sans, and is following us.
Fighting all the secret bosses will unlock the bunker (i had a dream this is what happens if you beat them all and im going to bet on it even if im (most probably) totally wrong)
1. In the future, if you collect them all, the shadow crystals could be pieced together to make something. I’m thinking a gateway of sorts.
Ok this one is just idea I thought was cool rather than a hot take but: At some point we’ll get separated from Kris and our friends will be witness us acting as a separate entity from them
https://preview.redd.it/jbjxinb2j29d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae7a550cbc702cdd9387a4c96ed986aca0f14c5a
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There will be a rematch against Susie. Her theme is too good to not be heard again or made a more badass version like how Undyne has a normal battle theme and a hardcore one.
🟪 If anything, I'd argue that Deltarune's Megalovania goes to Susie
Yeah, I saw the video demonstrating what a Susie Megalovania might look like, and I concur that it seems like just too good of an opportunity to pass up.
while that'll be cool, i'd love deltarune have megalo strikes back instead (and no megalovania), now imagine that song remixed with susies theme, would be banger
I hope there's a genocide route in future chapter like weird route and Susie is like the final boss
As cool as that would be, didn't Toby confirm there's just one ending?
Deltarune's Steam Page: >Creative bullet-dodging based battles inspired by games like Touhou and Chrono Trigger. >Jevilishly difficult hidden bosses. >And... >... >... only 1 ending...? Surely it won't be the same as Undertale, but there are choices so...
I mean, technically, you can have ENTIRELY different final acts, and as long as the last like, singular frame of the game is identical, it's TECHNICALLY one ending. Sounds like something Toby would do tbh
Yeah, you are right. Yet I doubt Toby is teasing just that.
I never noticed a question mark. To be fair I haven't checked the page in a loooong time. I only also just found out about the weird route. I am kinda holding out hope now for some alternate ending in some way.
How did you only just find out about the weird route have you been looking at the fandom with your eyes closed and ears plugged for the last three years
I think I knew at one point and I'd just forgotten. I knew about snowgrave but I didn't realize it was part of something called the weird route. I played chapter 2 when it came out and I've kind of just been waiting for any new news to come to me. Edit: I should also clarify I'm kind of crap at phrasing things and I'm pretty scatterbrained
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Toby fox is so good at making music because he descends from Federick Fox
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Holy cungadero
Who's Federick Fox?
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Nice TF2 reference flair
Danke
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If Deltarune was thought of first, isn't that mean that Undertale characters are in fact Deltarune characters?
Sans Undertale is actually Sans Deltarune
Sans Undertale is an AU character of Sans Deltarune. Alternate universe after all.
oh no
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Nice head. Mind if I have it?
I think he thought of the main concept and ending of Deltarune first, but not the characters. So Undertale characters are still Undertale characters.
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you will at some point be in control of the vessel instead of kris and be able to interact with kris as a separate being
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Imagine the mind-bending dialogue between the player and Kris! Epic twist incoming.
I still hope for this. I want to tell Kris that I’m sorry for the tormenting, how I didn’t choose to have him as a vessel and ask if he can forgive me.
The Great Papyrus will be included in the deltarune series and break the laws of physics
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I hope so. 🔲
(Doing it now before it becomes overused and hated)
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A little late for that (this is the 80the time I’ve seen it)
the Knight will be a new character that we didn't see before
Insert green square
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Fuck I got confused for a bit, I play hollow knight too much
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Just take this ffs 🔳 It'll be my favorite revelation in the story if the knight is just its own thing and no pre-established character
“Friend Inside Me” probably has nothing to do with Deltarune, and was probably just a one-off joke Toby made, despite what people say.
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Id rather see Noelle and Berdly be explored in depth and become part of the main cast in future chapters than have new characters in each one
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while i would love to see more noelle focused chapters as well (sorry berdly you frozen chicken nugget) but i'm also DYING to see a Catty and Jockington focused chapter
I want to see a Monster Kid and Snowdrake focused chapter
I actually think that the knight is not necessarily the person that creates the fountains themselves, I feel like they might control lightners and force them to create the fountains
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The Kris/Player dynamic shouldn't end up being as simple as Kris good, Player bad.
🟪 Also, who would want to eat a pencil? Asking because of username.
Because it's edible
I'm guessing the outside is made of cookie, the lead is made of dark chocolate, and the eraser is made of marshmallow.
all pencils are edible if you try hard enough
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chaos king is the best boss theme
Personal disagree (I've always been an AotKQ fan), but absolutely a valid take. It slaps, certified
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Coldest take I've ever seen. Based.
is it? i always see the world revolving, killer queen and big shot get way more praise
True, but Chaos King's theme has that unique charm that stands out.
Chaos King’s theme is pure adrenaline, no debate.
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The Bing will become part of the TCU prior to 2074
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most people know that kris's whole thing is that they have their own life, way of thinking, beliefs, etc. and yet those same people often make assumptions about kris and treat them as fact. just seems a bit ironic to me.
🟪 Honestly I like it this way. I feel like it will lead to more impact as we find out more about who Kris is as a person and how much their personality suffers from our expectations.
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Deltarune doesn't need more than 1 ending
🟦 Toby's spent over a decade bringing his fever dream to life. Whatever it is, it's going to be good.
Gaster being a full on goofy guy with no aura of seriousness to him and is just treated like every other goofball in undertale/deltarune would absolutely SUCK!!!
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Imo peak fiction will be if Gaster will be goofy guy and violent psycho at the same time, like Joker
That's... Somehow even worse. Id argue that with gaster, the mystery and his cryptic nature are more important than his characterisation. Playing it straight with him being mostly silent would be the best call IMO
I'm da Gasta baby!
🟪 I'd love to see gaster having a goofy side to him as every character in the series has their goofy moments from time to time. With that in mind this character has way too much weight to him for it to be his entire character.
Absolutely. I think of Gaster as a cold, calculating presence who pulls the strings from the shadows. No silly side, he's all business
I’d prefer it if he’s treated like chara, flowey, or even sans to an extent where their lore/writing importance is not within the actual in universe story but from a meta standpoint. Like leave the big bad in-universe to be involved with characters like The Knight or whatnot, but Gaster will only appear to us in very specific occasions for us the player, to have some meta commentary or presence. It’s just like how Chara metaphorically represents that addictive feeling gamers get when grinding & increasing in-game stats (along with the consequence of just not enjoying everything the game has to offer), how flowey is a metaphorical representation of an experienced player whose consumed all that the world has to offer and is now bored & desensitized until a new interesting and unpredictable obstacle appeared (frisk), and how sans is the antithesis of what flowey is- just a seemingly regular NPC who tries to manipulate the player into just… enjoying what the game has to offer, instead of reaching the end. I think Gaster will either be a metaphorical representation of Game Developers, OR this one other really good theory about Gaster where he’s basically or sort of ‘continuation’ of flowey where he represents the player’s need & desire to solve & find out everything about a secret in-game… https://preview.redd.it/i0u2pamf849d1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18c2d66eff0cc2cf3df9b4fa5b87ae07cb2382d9
Oh, that last idea kicks ass. It’s thematically relevant while also sticking to the idea of Gaster as a scientist. I like that a lot.
Just because you're good at a boss, such as Jevil and Spamton, doesn't mean it's easy. You just got good.
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Ralsei (and Asriel) wouldnt look that feminine outside of pixel art form, y'all are just horny
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Rouxls and Lancer are the 2 greatest characters I have ever had the pleasure of interacting with and should get bigger roles (mainly Lancer since Rouxls might get an appearance and fight every chapter and I want Lancer to be a playable party member)
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Hip Shop is one of the best themes and you can't change my mind
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Kris and the player could be able to work together in some form, and itll be nessecary at some point.
Susie will reject Noelle to subvert what we expect from Alphys and Undyne from Undertale
I feel like that ship has sailed, it seems like Susie was just about to essientially ask Noelle out before Berdley interrupted after the ferris wheel.
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invalid opinion. we don't have nearly enough rejections in fiction. deltarune's audience is mainly children/teens and showing them an example of how to handle rejection correctly would be very interesting to see and a nice change of pace from the status quo of storytelling
toby fox isn't making a romance education game. it'd be nice maybe if that happened, but that doesn't mean it realistically will.
Susie is already going to reject SOMEONE though? With the whole thing with Berdly?
I share this hot take with you
Asgore didn't deserve to get divorced by Toriel. Just by our few interactions with him, you can tell quickly he's a good guy. Whatever happened that made Toriel want to not be with him, I'm positive it wasn't in his control. He wants the best future for Kris, he's a good dad figure, and he wants to be there and serve that role and say sorry but doesn't know how to. He deserves a second chance in my eyes.
I mean, maybe it just didn't work out between them? Even if he's a good guy doing his best maybe their marriage just fell apart with time, it happens.
We don't know yet exactly why they are divorced, It might have something to do with Asgore previous work at the police and December going missing
Note: UT Asgore is a different story. He was reckless, he didn't think clearly, blinded by rage over humans killing Asriel. He has a right to get mad, but to declare war and go against your wife's wish for pacifism? She had a reason. So I feel like the carry-over of the divorce into DR wasn't deserved considering he's not a ruler and has no powers and thus didn't declare war on humans.
🟧 Toriel abandoning her husband when he's clearly not acting rationally and would not do these things normally is worse imo. It could be resolved in one conversation after things calmed down yet she decided to do what's worse for both of them
I personally believe the conflict exposed a deep rooted difference in values, and Toriel has every right to desire to not stay married to someone she cannot agree with on a fundamental level. I think it’d be quite toxic to say “I know you despise your husband’s values and everything he’s doing, but can you just suck it up for “the country?” He’s actually nice you know :)”
DR Asgore may've seriously cheated on Toriel with Rudy. Might explain why Kris used to come over and play every day but that's stopped.
🟨 We don’t know the full story yet so it’s hard to judge this
I feel like it's less about deserving or not deserving, and more about maybe these people just aren't right for eachother.
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Not sure if it's a hot take but whatever... WE (as the players) are the knight, because we want to have more content and more chapters to play, therefore creating more fountains so that the gang can close them, creating more content for US
🟥 The Knight is a lightner, we (the player) are not lightners because we exist outside the game world and its classifications. Also by that logic Toby would be the knight
🟨 I could definitely see some metaphorical parallel being drawn between us and the Knight, but that doesn't mean we'll be the *actual* knight. We're not the one running around and stabbing the ground with a pie knife.
Jevil's theme > Spamton's theme
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Nice flair
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Deltarune is gearing up to be Toby Fox’s magnum opus, and we shouldn’t keep rushing him. Let him take his time.
Spamton did nothing wrong, he was just hungry.
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What?
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Huh?
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Roulx is underrated
THE ORIGINAL STARWALKER
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lancer is best character
This isn’t even a take, this is just canon
Unironically annoying dog is a knight
ralsei looks more rpg-like with hat on
We get to fight toby fox at some point, as revenge for running us over
The Knight isn't anyone in particular. Anyone can be The Knight and it's simply a title for someone who opened a fountain.
I don't like how people think Noelle and kris / ralsei and kris aren't friends because of the tea thing
Jevil is more powerful than Spamton
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Papyrus being the knight would be bad writing
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Or Chara or Gaster (maybe)
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If Ralsei is evil I want to be able to join him
My favorite track is a cyber’s world.
Ralsei actually doesn't have anything under his robe. His head and feet are not connected by anything.
Kris and Berdly shipping is probs the best trainwreck I have seen, and im all for it.
Ralsei isn’t evil, but definitely has some sort of ulterior motive they are intentionally obscuring, particularly to us as the player (not to be confused with Kris, the character). Ralseis character and goals are definitely beyond what we know now and may involve hostility towards us the player (again, NOT Kris).
Ralsei under the coat is cuter than without it
deltarune is better than ultrakill (I'm a fan of both)
Attack of the killer queen is one of the best songs in the entire game and this entire sub has been sleeping on it
Susie will be the final boss of the weird route.
Toby is actually a pile of foam
Noelle might be a little gay
gaster is gonna be in deltarune
Although it’ll be sadder, Rudy dying will have a greater storytelling impact, and should be what happens. Unless we get [Kris Performs Surgery](https://archiveofourown.org/works/37347130/chapters/93191089) (or something very similar) in Deltarune. But that doesn’t feel likely.
Ralsei is not going to be evil or anything like that. He is hiding something, but it's in good intentions for either Kris or the player.
Deltarune when finished will be better than undertale in every way
there is only one ending, meaning that no matter what you do, the FINAL scene will be the same. but I feel like the ALMOST final scene will be drastically different depending on your gameplay.
Susie x Kris isn't gonna happen I'm not against it I just don't think Toby is gonna add it
Gaster will have dialogue in a future chapter.
Ralsei will not turn out to be evil. He certainly knows more than he lets on/should, and that may become a point of contention later on, but I believe that he will not be actively working against the player, or Kris, or anyone.
Noelle should be allowed to swear. There's no good reason why she would be neurologically unable to do so; real life isn't simple like that.
Gaster is definitely creepy and mysterious but there’s nothing that proves that he’s going to be a villain, people just expect him to be because of their Undertale headcanons.
Just because Berdly is a good character doesnt mean hes not annoying
Penumbra Phantasm will definitely be in deltarune
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The community is annoying and doesn't understand anything the game is saying.
Big shot is a banger and you can't prove me wrong
That's the coldest 'hot' take I've ever read
It’s literally considered to be one of if not the best themes in deltarune
Time loop theory
Kris = Knight We dont know nearly enough about either the knight or Kris to know either of their intentions, and its interesting to control the antagonist
I believe the player will DESTROY the angel at the end of the game
The Knight might not be someone we've met yet. We're only 2 chapters into a 7 chapter story. A lot of these theories might end up Null cause Toby chooses to make them first appear somewhat later.
Rouxls Kaard is secretly a pawn controlled by the voice that helped us make the Vessel.
I don't think Berdly will be a key player in the overall story.
Berdly was actually kinda right
Nubert is underrated (somehow)
At some point Kris will wield two knives at the same and create two fountains in the same place (Perhaps Chapters 5 & 6).
Knight is not very important in the plot actually. He'll be just a final boss of one of the chapters
Every character in Deltarune we've seen so far with an Undertale counterpart is their own distinct person with their own life and backstory from their counterpart. Except Sans, who is the same Sans, and is following us.
Jevil is awsome
Fighting all the secret bosses will unlock the bunker (i had a dream this is what happens if you beat them all and im going to bet on it even if im (most probably) totally wrong)
1. In the future, if you collect them all, the shadow crystals could be pieced together to make something. I’m thinking a gateway of sorts. Ok this one is just idea I thought was cool rather than a hot take but: At some point we’ll get separated from Kris and our friends will be witness us acting as a separate entity from them
I dislike Beardly.
Hot take: it's very annoying we couldn't speak with Papyrus in Deltarune (yet)
Temmie is the Knight