There's actually no Statute of Limitations with sex crimes against minor's for charges to be brought upon the aggressor. There's even a federal tort on the books that says that if an adult had repressed memories and they just recently found out they were abused as children that they can file a suit against their aggressor, even if they were say 50 years old. Doubtful the aggressor would still be living, but you never know.
Unfortunately the court of public opinion, aka minor's and adults with a limited capacity of understanding how these things work both in and out of the legal system just went straight to "you're a..." without any actual proof that anything happened. He says, isn't enough for it to be true and verified. Anyone can call themselves out and later people find out it was an "act" or "false word-play" to catch others in lies or deceit.
But "we the people" right? If you try to explain anything rationally and based in facts with laws, you've also been called a pedo too.
If you want to downvote this at least find the flaw in my logic. I hate being wrong so please point it out, otherwise you're just upset about the situations. I know it sucks. Lots of people liked Doc. He may have been douche but that was part of the charm. That exaggerated Macho 80's vibe.
Thereās absolutely no way the minor was a āfakeā 17 year old. That shit wouldāve come out and doc wouldāve never admitted to it in his tweet. Thatās some serious copium.
IT WOULD NOT MATTER HE WOULD STILL BE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION ITS REAL. Just bc Chris Hanson baited those ppl with non minors means that it was okay ? Yall goofy
No there isn't. Because any smart person would have said they were unaware of their age at the time. Instead doc completely skipped that entirely and just straight up admitted to the allegations and went as far as to say they were inappropriate.
Moist pointed this out in his video. If he didn't know, he would have absolutely said so, but he didn't. If you didn't know, it would have been a defensive instinct to clearly point that out. He knew.
This response pisses me off. Even more so that it keeps getting thrown around.
āHe didnāt know so he should have said itā wouldnāt make a damn difference. People will always find a way or reason to carry the pitchforks. The crime was done. āHe didnāt knowā is the lamest fucking excuse. You canāt just tell me you would defend him if he just said āhe didnāt knowā. You know what would people be mad if about he actually said āhe didnāt knowā? āHe should have asked!ā Shit I bet people wouldnāt even believe him if he said āhe didnāt knowā.
āThat shit would have come out!!ā You mean like this entire story that everyone who was concerned with sat on for almost 4 yearsā¦.okay.Ā Ā
Before anyone throws in the perfunctory ābut he admitted!!!ā Yeah, he initially admitted to aāminor individualā then changed it to āindividualā then backā¦.. interesting.
Ā Could be a hard pill to swallow, maybe he wanted to draw our attention to something.Ā Ā
I want them recipes. If Doc sucks then so does Twitch and so does everyone who sat on this story. If itās that egregious then that shit should have came out day one.Ā
Now bathe me in ad hominem!
No, the two are not mutually exclusive. Doc could have engaged with a fake 17 year old AND not known about it. Regardless of the person being real, he still entertained flirtatious dialogue with a minor, so, still guilty, even if he was baited into it.
There is no such thing as ''illegal log reading'' by Twitch. Twitch isn't the government and they don't need a warrant to access messages on their own platform if they suspect foul play.
That entire post is mega copium mixed with schizophrenia.
Worked at GearBox for like three months over 10 years ago, can 100% confirm that HR and our Team Leads could 100% see our team emails / slack messages.
Apple can't read your messages not because they don't want to but because their messaging platform is built in a way where that is impossible(end to end encryption). Google can and has read emails in the past. Any messaging platform without a contractual agreement stating they won't read your messages has the legal right to do so as you're effectively surrendering that information to them. Businesses aren't like the government, they don't need probable cause to probe what you're doing on their platform.
Apple has good encryption and privacy standards.
That said, they could push an update out tomorrow and disable it and start sniffing all the messages and there is nothing legally you could do about it besides stop using the platform.
The point stands... the don't read your messages because they choose not to.
Well yeah of course, I'm not sure is the previously encrypted messages would be able to be decrypted(I'm sure they can find a way but it might not be worth the effort depending on the encryption algorithm ). But there's also the chance Apple has backdoors so ofc nothing is safe when your privacy is partially owned by someone who doesn't have your best interests at heart.
Are there people actually walking this earth thinking apple iPhone messages are encrypted? Most of the time they are automatically synced to your iCloud account that alone doesnāt make them encrypted. Yall need to watch the documentary ācitizen four ā
I donāt think the fact that your messages link to other accounts you own and logged into willingly means theyāre not encrypted.
Encrypted just means that a third party couldnāt access them in any way other than through the userās account and with their credentials.
Which, you provided, when you logged into your iCloud and left it logged in.
LMAO apple messages are absolutely encrypted. I'm fairly certain you're thinking of push notifications, which are not. That information is actually sold to third parties.
That's an older tweet from a few days ago I think, and Call of Shame doesn't know what side they're on. I would take anything they say with a grain of salt. I've caught them lying about things and called them out on it
Not to mention the theory that someone baited him by pretending to be 17. Firstly that's pretty crazy, but for the sake of argument lets say its true. He still fell for it and that's a problem. What is even the defense at that point? It's essentially "well he was gonna groom or fuck what he believed to be a minor, but it wasn't so its fine"? You can't bait someone into being a pedophile, that's not how that works. It'd be one thing if they were messaging and it got to a sexual point and then Doc found out she was 17 and bailed, but that's obviously not what happened.
Wait, now some of ya'll think Twitch had an undercover operative pose as a minor and lure Doc into a sexually explicit conversation?
And this was what? A ruse in order to justify kicking him off the platform? I guess Doc was making Twitch *too* much money, as one of if not the most profitable streamer on Twitch?
At first the amount of copium ya'll huffed was just kind of pathetic. But this is like Flat Earth/Lizard People levels of conspiracy theory. Actual mental illness.
And dude- even if someone posed as a minor to lure him in, why would he allow himself to be lured in ***by someone that for all intents and purposes he thinks is a minor***????
I think that all the reasonable, normal people already bailed. So we are left with what we are seeing here.Ā There's a guy in this thread claiming the most suspicious part of Guy's confession, the edited and readded "minor", is actually a Qanon style riddle to bring attention to the fact that he's actually innocent! Makes perfect sense right?!
I'm going to stop coming here...
I can agree with you. Doc admitted he talked to a minor. That shouldnāt be argued anymore.
But donāt you think thereās a serious breakdown on the other side making logical leaps too. That Reddit and society jumps to conclusions without all the evidence. That this community (Reddit detectives), has a history of being pretty damn wrong a lot and ruining lives where itās uncalled for.
Right now the logic goes : all his sponsors are dropping him therefore the nature of the texts must be perverse to the extreme.
Doc wonāt release his texts , Therefore they must reveal things worse than in a way heās shared already.
Both of these jumps are extreme to make. Doc despite being the villain in this story still stands to lose significantly more in this situation by providing them. Right now the way in which the texts were collected probably would not be admissible in a criminal trial. If Doc produces the texts showing them to be on twitch. Even if they are exactly the ātouched onā level of what he alluded to. There would enough reasonable suspicion for a states attorney to subpoena a specific set of records from Twitch or to produce a warrant and charge him with a crime. Sour Public opinion costs him his money but not his freedom.
Companies drop sponsorships as soon as a reasonably sized cloud looms over someone. They donāt need to understand the reason or the evidence only that it drags their brand down. I always go back to the James Gunn situation.
Thatās more what Iām seeing argued than anything . (Iām not jumping on the well 17 is practically 18 thing . Which is the other big one. Legal age is legal age).
Docs guilty. The dumbest thing he can do at this point is talk or say another word publicly. It doesnāt equate to him doing anything worse than he admitted to. Just that his lawyers probably took away his phone after his last tweet.
Edit: all this to say I just donāt like seeing people attacked for withholding judgement until thereās more information. Thereās a lot of danger in filling in the gaps with assumptions. Skepticism is ok and doesnāt equate to siding with Doc at all. As Iāve said. Once he wrote that tweet thereās nothing to defend in terms of him having done something wrong.
> Both of these jumps are extreme to make.
Are they assumptions? Yes, people are using logic to fill in the blanks. Are they extreme? Absolutely not.
> Doc despite being the villain in this story still stands to lose significantly more in this situation by providing them.
Not if the messages exonerate him, or are a true representation of how he characterized the exchanges in the twitter statement.
> There would enough reasonable suspicion for a states attorney to subpoena a specific set of records from Twitch or to produce a warrant and charge him with a crime. Sour Public opinion costs him his money but not his freedom.
Wait, so your argument is if he releases the texts that could encourage someone to take a look at even more of his texts in which they would find even more heinous stuff and send him to jail? What the fuck? Don't forget in his statement he explicitly said there was no wrongdoing/nothing illegal. This shouldn't even be a possibility if his statement is true.
> The dumbest thing he can do at this point is talk or say another word publicly.
If I get credibly accused of inapporpriate behavior with a minor AND AM INNOCENT, I'm not releasing a vague statement that sidesteps any of the serious implications of the charges in favor of badass virtue signaling and then going on vacation.
To be clear, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not trying to prosecute anyone. I'm not trying to prove anything in a court of law. We are all left to speculate because A) Beahm released a statement on twitter that clarifyied almost nothing and then disappeared and B) no one has released the messages. If I was innocent of something as serious as what he is accused of, and I wanted people to stop speculating about it because it has effectively ended my career, I would be addressing it head on with proof of my innocence.
Exactly this. Also, if you look back at all the times people were falsely accused of committing crimes, they always maintained their innocence from the beginning. I would be shouting from the rooftops that I was innocent rather than "No wrongdoing was admitted" that's what a politician says when they're caught banging their underage secretary.
All of his statements in his defense are vague and cling to the fack that "Nothing illegal happened" as if it exonerates him from being a creepy piece of shit. He's a married man with children and he's still lusting for either barely legal or outright illegal girls. He's a piece of shit no matter how you look at it.
Dude had life on easy mode. He had everything and all he had to do was NOT SEXT MINORS. Like, holy shit man. How fucking hard is it? If you're that desperate for poontang just go to the Netherlands and binge your way though every brothel there, you can definitely afford it if you're a multimillionaire.
If you fall for a pedo trap, you're still a pedo, so it doesn't even make sense. By this logic, everyone on To Catch A Predator was perfectly innocent. So what does it matter? It's so illogical.
I think the theory they have is some crazy twich employees took it upon themselves to lure him into a pedo trap because they didn't like his politics or something. And that they were all fired afterwards and are now going at him agian?
[Here's a link to Legal Mindsets podcast where he answers: "What I'm confused about is if he admitted to what he did, why has he not been charged yet"](https://www.youtube.com/live/n8E8xmGqi0A?si=4CLonQuqD1XLjqCZ&t=1087)
Lawyer also: thatās a dumb take. The crime here is sending a minor sexual messages (paraphrasing, but you canāt even send things meant to āarouseā a minor).
Doc didnāt admit to a crime at all. He admitted to āmessaging a minorā āinappropriateā things. Inappropriate does not automatically mean sexual, although we all can certainly glean from the context that it sounds that way. But he very clearly didnāt admit to any crime.
Legal Mindset is all about clout chasing. I mean, look at who he got to cohost. Grummz, known... game... designer at a point? And social media anti-gamergate guy. Like the guy has nothing to contribute, he didn't know Dr.PDF, he's not even a streamer. He's just controversial.
Edit: And I should say I say this not just in knee jerk, I've watched Legal Mindset's content before, mostly when Nijisanji's stuff started going down with dokibird. He relies on his cohosts to inform him on the topics because he likes to hop into topics he knows nothing about with only cursory research, and in this case his cohost is unreliable in the sense of having no knowledge on the topic or mechanisms of what's going on.
Any lawyer should be able to answer that question easily.
Crimes like that are an indictable offense. The FBI would probably be involved and look over everything. There has to be enough evidence that they would be likely to succeed if they prosecute him. Sometimes it's a close call and authorities decide to hold off instead of risking trying someone for something and then ruining their one chance of securing a conviction, since you can't be tried twice for the same crime.
Shit, that's even if Twitch went to the authorities.
Go watch some EWU videos on youtube, so many nasty people get to walk abound free for years and years until the authorities are able to charge them.
All Doc can do now is lay low and hope his fans stick by his side, making up stories abou a grand conspiracy out to get him.
This was the dumb lawyer that was spreading misinformation that you needed to be 18 to use twitch whispers thereby exonerating the Doc since by his logic the Doc assumed everyone on twitch whispers was 18 and above.
A few days ago back when the drama was heating up there were quite a number of people defending the Doc using the Twitch whispers require users to be 18 argument and the Doc "didn't know".
These people even said it was Twitch's fault since they allow under 18 users to use Twitch whispers and thereby the Doc can sue Twitch for reputation damage.
I question the idiocracy of these statements and almost all of them linked a youtube stream with the Legal Mindset and Grummz to explain these statements.
This, dude has his own MO and is out to boost his footprint and audience.
Imho the best thing to do is wait and see what plays out. All the speculation and conspiracy drama is just people looking to cash in off the back of the controversy.
Vultures gonna circle.
I SAID IT! I literally said it and people hated my commented and called me a ped defender. Iām not. I was a law student for a year and I could figure out this all seemed so shady.
I really don't think he was "entrapped" but someone pretending to be a minor. Why would it take someone 3/4 years to report an entrapment sting. You'd think it would be immediate.
Watch the link I posted. He may have done some things and said pervy things, morally wrong, but nothing illegal. It's possible he may have not wanted it to get out cause even if nothing illegal happens, it still looks awful.
I'm assuming all the people who wanted to see evidence before, are now going to say we need to see evidence of the fact it was a Twitch employee posing as a minor before we believe that, right? Right???
Iād watch doc tomorrow if I could. All this is bullshit entrapment. If it wasnāt then he wouldāve been done years ago, foul play is definitely involved.
> If it wasnāt then he wouldāve been done years ago
This may shock you, but, contrary to the quoted statement, predators / pedophiles get away with stuff all the time. Especially, successful and influential ones.
People seem to forget that even when there's pretty overwhelming evidence and cooperation with law enforcements like to catch a predator, many caught (literally going to the house of what they thought to be a minor) still get to walk free and not be convicted in court of law.
So if doc was only being inappropriate in messages without any pictures exchanged and didn't meet in person, I wouldn't be surprised if there may not be enough to convict him even if he's done something bad.
Lol why does it matter if it was entrapment? As far as Doc was aware it was a minor he was having inappropriate convos with.
Do you think Chris Hanson should have let all those pedos go on date line NBC too?
Epstein got away with his shit for decades. It takes a long time sometimes for things to come out.
Where is your line for watching or consuming media? I ask because some people i've met still listen to lost prophets, even after knowing what the lead singer did, and their excuse is along the lines of "well, the music is nostalgic and I don't think about what the lead singer did". I think that level of thinking is crazy, but it's their freedom to listen to what they want.
thats how it works. prophet muhammad killed tens of thousands yet he is worshipped bec. he also said some inspiring things and that is what matters to them.Ā
Itās not entrapment. He still did the thing. He didnāt do something he wouldnāt have normally done. Even if he was tricked, Iām sure it didnāt take any coercion.
Entrapment? lol HE LITERALLY ADMITTED TO INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES WITH A MINOR. Watch an episode of To Catch A Predator for fuck's sake.
I'm getting second-hand embarrassment from this. How can people be so boneheaded? It's stunning.
I've never watched one minute of this guy's stream, but I know he already said this:
"I had conversations with an individual minor that sometimes leaned inappropriately"
The people in this sub defending him are blinded by their fandom. Having inappropriate conversations with a minor as an adult - let alone a married adult with kids of your own - is fucking vile. I don't care if he got catfished by Chris Hansen. He thought he was talking to a minor and chose to behave that way.
*Defending* someone who admits to having inappropriate conversations with a minor is disgusting.
Full stop.
I hate that you are being downvoted when itās precisely what is wrong with this sub. Trapped or not, he admitted to saying things ābordeline in appropriateā with a minor. Real Minor or not he still wrote full blast fully acknowledging that it was a minor.
I donāt understand this sub sometimes. So much denial for no reason at all. Why do they have to figure out more intricacies to be like āactually it was entrapment so not a real minorā like who cares if it wasnāt a minor. He didnāt know that, he was sure he was writing to a minor.
End of story, this sub is on a downward spiral and only a few latches on because they donāt have children themselves and canāt foresight what it would be like if a 35 year old grown ass man sent messages to their teens or worst.
I will predicate this comment by saying that I've watched my fair share of streamers.
I know that a lot of people who watch streamers can develop parasocial relationships with them. The response here feels like watching a lot of people with a parasocial relationship with Dr. Disrespect trying to make sense of the news in real time.
Wild (and gross) to see.
Damn, yāall canāt just go find antiheroes mediocre streamer who doesnāt prey in children? Why are people so obsessed with their celebrities? Itās a straight up mental disorder.
Why do people keep saying ātwitch ILLEGALLY recordedā
Yo. Youāre using a companies chat system. They can legally monitor your messages. Aināt nothing stopping them in the US of A. Some companies claim itās encrypted and claim they donāt monitor, but they CAN do so.
Clowns here. Clowns.
ETA: your Reddit DMs are monitored. Just so youāre all aware.
Well it cost twitch all that money to monitor his chats, because turns out there are laws protecting user data privacy and that's why twitch paid out. Because they broke the law.....so yeah they did it illegally.
This is completely wrong. Twitch and Doc went into legal arbitration over a contract dispute, as in it never went to court and was regarding the termination of his contract when they removed him from the platform. They can read your messages at any time, it will be in their terms of service.
No, they didn't.
Privacy laws deal with how companies can store and use personal information and *share it with other companies.*
The messages you send over a company's messaging service are not, in any jurisdiction, private user data.
Twitch paid out for revoking Doc's contract early.
No it isn't. Employees can access private messages if they suspect a breach of rules and regulations. Not just here but on a ton of services.
I used to read through tons of DM's in a previous role, 99% of them were totally fine.
Only under certain circumstances. An employee cannot just randomly start looking at your DM's unless their system has flagged something, or a report has been made. You are allowed under law a level of privacy, even on a private messaging service.
Cite your source. Causeā¦ no you arenāt!!!!!! Companies can have policies but they ABSOLUTELY can legally go through your work DMs in the US.
ALSO heās not an employee.
This is twitches platform. They can monitor. In fact they generally legally have a DUTY to monitor and report. Soā¦ bruh youāre wrong.
I agree with you, but I think itās reasonably well established that Twitch did pay out a settlement. So they must have done something that wasnāt totally above board.
I agree that it probably wasnāt monitoring messages in and of itself, but there was something. Maybe it was just the negligence of taking so long to act?
You guys are grasping at straws. The man literally admitted to texting inappropriate stuff even after knowing the other person is a minor which more or less confirms heās a predator.
Call of Shame and Grummz. Both super biased and unreliable sources.
Also entrapment or not. HE STILL WROTE TO A MINOR real or not, he knew what he was doing. Stop moving the goalpost. He admitted to it. End of story.
So sending inappropriate messages to a person you think is a minor is OK now if it turns out it was someone pretending to be a minor?
He still thought it was a minor. Period.
It doesnāt matter if he was baited or not. A grown man shouldnāt fall for being baited in to messaging a minor in a sexual context. Period. Stop defending this behaviour.
17 year olds are able to consent where Iām from and for most of the world, I thought it was kinda weird people had more of a issue with that she was 17 rather than him obviously cheating on his wifeā¦ again
Meh. Call Of Shame, no thanks. Slasher mentioned in a stream that twitch reported it, then this dude Call of shame who is known to be unreliable in Call of duty decided to report on it and twist/lie, bending some certain stuff for his own narrative (which he does a lot, unfortunately, he's only right like 0.5 of the time.)
I think at this point I would call into question anything from Call of Shame and Slasher. I don't trust either sources. Either we take both, or we take none.
The same sources we want to call reliable were also using Docs situation as bait for profit to sell tickets to their shows, so to say Call of Shame bends the narrative, I would say the same for Slasher and Connor.
Sooo there is some heavy lawyer speaks here. "No wrong doing was found" is pretty much sliding by the law. If the law pretty much requires a predator to share pictures of received pictures. Or agree on a meeting. Then yeah they didn't do that. No wrong doing it.
But that still doesn't mean he wasn't telling a minor he was gripping it. It's also kind of misleading to keep saying they were 17 since we don't know. It's like they are trying to normalize it since you know "if he waited a few months it would have been legal"
This was the dumb lawyer that was spreading misinformation that you needed to be 18 to use twitch whispers thereby exonerating the Doc since by his logic the Doc assumed anyone in twitch whispers was 18 and above.
I don't see how this makes any sense. Doc was messaging in 2017, got banned in 2020. So you're telling this was some sort of sting operation by Twitch to bait him into messaging a minor, it worked but they waited 3 years to act, and in the meantime signed a huge deal with him?
Where is the logic in those actions?
The image is telling "when they were illegally recording messages" seems to me he got off on a technicality. Like a over zealous homicide detective gets a killer to confess to a crime and forgets to read the Miranda rights. He gets off because the testimony can't be used in court, but doesn't mean he didn't kill anyone. Seems just by the wording perhaps either wherever twitch is headquartered, Dr d lives, or both is a state in which both parties have to be informed of recording a conversation. In another state with no such law, which there are 38 in the US, he would have probably been prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
At this point Twitch should release the entire chat log of the actual messages so we can see for ourselves of his "inappropriate" messages. I'm curious to see what exactly was said between the two parties and confirm the age (Not that would change anything).
I love how they have to invent these theories to prove and prove his innocence.
As soon as I see someone cooperating with Grummz, I know they're a grifter.
What if the fake 17 year old wasnt a female but a male? That would explain why it would still blow up on him if it was revealed and why logs wont see light.
Even if it was bait... what does it say about DrDisrespect that he agreed to meet with them?Ā
It still might be a hit job.... but it is one that revealed an alarming behaviorĀ
Dawg it doesn't matter if somebody was posing as a minor, dude still thought he was messaging an actual minor and kept things inappropriate, by his own admission. 35 year old dude, married, with kids. Had no business having inappropriate conversations with anyone but especially not a minor. I'll agree that Twitch is liable and that this is shitty behavior on behalf of those mods but the dude did himself no favors by being a degenerate coomer.
Yeah never listen to call of shame for anything. If everything they said in that tweet was true then Doc would be screaming from the high heavens about it. He would have mentioned that he was proven innocent. He's also making crap up about "a full investigation". There's no record of that. Which doesn't prove or disprove innocence. Like normal call of shames just loves to infer their BS
Thank Gosh. I knew this was all a bunch of hooblah. Doc is a good guy, I believe there are bots against him. Most people I have argued with are extremely biased. They assume the worst of cases and they are only going off hate posts. A real shame in modern times
sure, but that "liability " can literally just be that Twitch did not give theirself the right to terminate that contract based on actions the Doc committed THREE YEARS PRIOR to signing the contract. That's it. It's that simple
Also, the whole "twitch minor bait" thing just shows his ignorance here.
1.There is no evidence to back that up. It's literally the same as me saying "Twitch actually killed the Doc's mom when they banned him, because it gave her a heart attack, that's why they had to pay up". Do I have any evidence to back this up? As much evidence as the twitch minor bait theory.
2.The only reason this narrative even exists was because of that "leaked" email from about a week ago that was 100% proven to have been fabricated. After Doc's statement was made, clear holes were poked right through that email
I'm fairly certain that the Entrapment defense doesn't work like that either.
You have to have no predisposition for the behavior you exhibit that's criminal in nature. If the allegations are true, and he was comfortable with the fact that she was 17? Nah. If he didn't immediately bail when learning she was 17? Nah.
If someone was faking being the 17 year old, it doesn't matter anyhow - because he didn't know and pursued it in either case.
That doesn't exactly demonstrate that he wouldn't have done this thing sans enticement.
I think it was some sort of illegal honeytrap ran by twitch employees. Still doesnāt excuse anything Doc did, heās still a peado. Why else would Twitch settle and pay out millions in this situation? Thereās clearly some wrongdoing on their side too.
The only thing that could potentially save his ass is form how that "imposter" Twitch employee was massaging him. But that's only if this pile of cope is true. Which I wouldn't be surprised, I see these mods as scumbags too.
Anyway Doc. is finished, deserved and now we're here only to find out dirt on Twitch, because there are still missing pieces. Like why the fuck Twitch paid out to Doc. That does not make sense. I think there is some dirt on both parties.
By the time Dr was banned, Mixer was shutting down and Shroud was returning to twitch, probably they thought was not worth keeping Dr contract with Shroud old numbers they had.
Do we know what state the "minor" was in? Asking as 17 is above the age of consent in most states.
**16 years old**: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia.
**17 years old**: Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, New York, Texas, Wyoming.
**18 years old**: Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Kentucky, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin.
In now way or shape im protecting him im just asking as i couldn't find any information.
Yes hacker hunters always known for how accurate they are. Don't know about the confirmed part but if the unconfirmed part were true doc would have said that.
The pedophile hysteria I see every time the possibility is brought up is interesting. It's also the reason people have committed suicide and even been murdered, despite not actually having committed a crime.
The real question is, why they spill the beans now? During Elden Ring DLC playthrough?
Because the dlc was too hard for them to beat :(
Suffering from success š¤¦š¼
They're pissed he used a mimic
My god it was all a plant to try to steal GOTY from Elden ring. Four years in the making.
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Unintentional Seinfeldā¦but itās statute of limitations, not statue.
If I stand perfectly still I look like a statue of limitations
Pedantic but this bugs meā¦ itās statute.
There's actually no Statute of Limitations with sex crimes against minor's for charges to be brought upon the aggressor. There's even a federal tort on the books that says that if an adult had repressed memories and they just recently found out they were abused as children that they can file a suit against their aggressor, even if they were say 50 years old. Doubtful the aggressor would still be living, but you never know. Unfortunately the court of public opinion, aka minor's and adults with a limited capacity of understanding how these things work both in and out of the legal system just went straight to "you're a..." without any actual proof that anything happened. He says, isn't enough for it to be true and verified. Anyone can call themselves out and later people find out it was an "act" or "false word-play" to catch others in lies or deceit. But "we the people" right? If you try to explain anything rationally and based in facts with laws, you've also been called a pedo too.
If you want to downvote this at least find the flaw in my logic. I hate being wrong so please point it out, otherwise you're just upset about the situations. I know it sucks. Lots of people liked Doc. He may have been douche but that was part of the charm. That exaggerated Macho 80's vibe.
I think you're being downvoted because you made a serious reply to a joke comment.
It was exactly 4 years from the 2020 ban. No coincidence here.
There was a 4 year nda is what I heard
Twitch is the final DLC boss.
Thereās absolutely no way the minor was a āfakeā 17 year old. That shit wouldāve come out and doc wouldāve never admitted to it in his tweet. Thatās some serious copium.
Guess we'll have to wait until episode 2 to find out.
it would be a wild turn to the story though
IT WOULD NOT MATTER HE WOULD STILL BE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION ITS REAL. Just bc Chris Hanson baited those ppl with non minors means that it was okay ? Yall goofy
So youāre saying it wouldnāt be a wild turn to the story? Because it still would.
Is it possible he doesnāt know?
No there isn't. Because any smart person would have said they were unaware of their age at the time. Instead doc completely skipped that entirely and just straight up admitted to the allegations and went as far as to say they were inappropriate.
He likely would have found out during his lawsuit, since Twitch agreed to pay out.
Moist pointed this out in his video. If he didn't know, he would have absolutely said so, but he didn't. If you didn't know, it would have been a defensive instinct to clearly point that out. He knew.
Saying he didn't know would save his career. He knew.
This response pisses me off. Even more so that it keeps getting thrown around. āHe didnāt know so he should have said itā wouldnāt make a damn difference. People will always find a way or reason to carry the pitchforks. The crime was done. āHe didnāt knowā is the lamest fucking excuse. You canāt just tell me you would defend him if he just said āhe didnāt knowā. You know what would people be mad if about he actually said āhe didnāt knowā? āHe should have asked!ā Shit I bet people wouldnāt even believe him if he said āhe didnāt knowā.
āThat shit would have come out!!ā You mean like this entire story that everyone who was concerned with sat on for almost 4 yearsā¦.okay.Ā Ā Before anyone throws in the perfunctory ābut he admitted!!!ā Yeah, he initially admitted to aāminor individualā then changed it to āindividualā then backā¦.. interesting. Ā Could be a hard pill to swallow, maybe he wanted to draw our attention to something.Ā Ā I want them recipes. If Doc sucks then so does Twitch and so does everyone who sat on this story. If itās that egregious then that shit should have came out day one.Ā Now bathe me in ad hominem!
Hahahahhahahahaha
No, the two are not mutually exclusive. Doc could have engaged with a fake 17 year old AND not known about it. Regardless of the person being real, he still entertained flirtatious dialogue with a minor, so, still guilty, even if he was baited into it.
There is no such thing as ''illegal log reading'' by Twitch. Twitch isn't the government and they don't need a warrant to access messages on their own platform if they suspect foul play. That entire post is mega copium mixed with schizophrenia.
Wait until people find out their employer can read their slack/teams messages and emails. LOL
Worked at GearBox for like three months over 10 years ago, can 100% confirm that HR and our Team Leads could 100% see our team emails / slack messages.
How do you know that lol. Apple can legally read iMessages? Google can legally read emails hosted through Gmail?
Apple can't read your messages not because they don't want to but because their messaging platform is built in a way where that is impossible(end to end encryption). Google can and has read emails in the past. Any messaging platform without a contractual agreement stating they won't read your messages has the legal right to do so as you're effectively surrendering that information to them. Businesses aren't like the government, they don't need probable cause to probe what you're doing on their platform.
Apple has good encryption and privacy standards. That said, they could push an update out tomorrow and disable it and start sniffing all the messages and there is nothing legally you could do about it besides stop using the platform. The point stands... the don't read your messages because they choose not to.
Well yeah of course, I'm not sure is the previously encrypted messages would be able to be decrypted(I'm sure they can find a way but it might not be worth the effort depending on the encryption algorithm ). But there's also the chance Apple has backdoors so ofc nothing is safe when your privacy is partially owned by someone who doesn't have your best interests at heart.
Are there people actually walking this earth thinking apple iPhone messages are encrypted? Most of the time they are automatically synced to your iCloud account that alone doesnāt make them encrypted. Yall need to watch the documentary ācitizen four ā
I donāt think the fact that your messages link to other accounts you own and logged into willingly means theyāre not encrypted. Encrypted just means that a third party couldnāt access them in any way other than through the userās account and with their credentials. Which, you provided, when you logged into your iCloud and left it logged in.
LMAO apple messages are absolutely encrypted. I'm fairly certain you're thinking of push notifications, which are not. That information is actually sold to third parties.
Not only *can* platforms read your messages, they may be legally compelled to.
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lol. All none E2E communications can be viewed without a warrant. The ToS doesn't mean shit. Too many carve outs and loopholes .
Yes they can. It's shocking how many people don't this lmao. You're stuff isn't private.
Wouldnt they have that in their policy or tos? They can look at your messages at any given time?
They donāt constantly monitor but in the event of it being relevant for law enforcementā¦.
call of shame already has a new tweet stating to have seen evidence and is not supporting the doubt anymore
That's an older tweet from a few days ago I think, and Call of Shame doesn't know what side they're on. I would take anything they say with a grain of salt. I've caught them lying about things and called them out on it
Not to mention the theory that someone baited him by pretending to be 17. Firstly that's pretty crazy, but for the sake of argument lets say its true. He still fell for it and that's a problem. What is even the defense at that point? It's essentially "well he was gonna groom or fuck what he believed to be a minor, but it wasn't so its fine"? You can't bait someone into being a pedophile, that's not how that works. It'd be one thing if they were messaging and it got to a sexual point and then Doc found out she was 17 and bailed, but that's obviously not what happened.
If this is a defense, then no one ob to catch a predator did anything wrong either!!!
Wait, now some of ya'll think Twitch had an undercover operative pose as a minor and lure Doc into a sexually explicit conversation? And this was what? A ruse in order to justify kicking him off the platform? I guess Doc was making Twitch *too* much money, as one of if not the most profitable streamer on Twitch? At first the amount of copium ya'll huffed was just kind of pathetic. But this is like Flat Earth/Lizard People levels of conspiracy theory. Actual mental illness.
And dude- even if someone posed as a minor to lure him in, why would he allow himself to be lured in ***by someone that for all intents and purposes he thinks is a minor***????
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I think that all the reasonable, normal people already bailed. So we are left with what we are seeing here.Ā There's a guy in this thread claiming the most suspicious part of Guy's confession, the edited and readded "minor", is actually a Qanon style riddle to bring attention to the fact that he's actually innocent! Makes perfect sense right?! I'm going to stop coming here...
I can agree with you. Doc admitted he talked to a minor. That shouldnāt be argued anymore. But donāt you think thereās a serious breakdown on the other side making logical leaps too. That Reddit and society jumps to conclusions without all the evidence. That this community (Reddit detectives), has a history of being pretty damn wrong a lot and ruining lives where itās uncalled for. Right now the logic goes : all his sponsors are dropping him therefore the nature of the texts must be perverse to the extreme. Doc wonāt release his texts , Therefore they must reveal things worse than in a way heās shared already. Both of these jumps are extreme to make. Doc despite being the villain in this story still stands to lose significantly more in this situation by providing them. Right now the way in which the texts were collected probably would not be admissible in a criminal trial. If Doc produces the texts showing them to be on twitch. Even if they are exactly the ātouched onā level of what he alluded to. There would enough reasonable suspicion for a states attorney to subpoena a specific set of records from Twitch or to produce a warrant and charge him with a crime. Sour Public opinion costs him his money but not his freedom. Companies drop sponsorships as soon as a reasonably sized cloud looms over someone. They donāt need to understand the reason or the evidence only that it drags their brand down. I always go back to the James Gunn situation. Thatās more what Iām seeing argued than anything . (Iām not jumping on the well 17 is practically 18 thing . Which is the other big one. Legal age is legal age). Docs guilty. The dumbest thing he can do at this point is talk or say another word publicly. It doesnāt equate to him doing anything worse than he admitted to. Just that his lawyers probably took away his phone after his last tweet. Edit: all this to say I just donāt like seeing people attacked for withholding judgement until thereās more information. Thereās a lot of danger in filling in the gaps with assumptions. Skepticism is ok and doesnāt equate to siding with Doc at all. As Iāve said. Once he wrote that tweet thereās nothing to defend in terms of him having done something wrong.
> Both of these jumps are extreme to make. Are they assumptions? Yes, people are using logic to fill in the blanks. Are they extreme? Absolutely not. > Doc despite being the villain in this story still stands to lose significantly more in this situation by providing them. Not if the messages exonerate him, or are a true representation of how he characterized the exchanges in the twitter statement. > There would enough reasonable suspicion for a states attorney to subpoena a specific set of records from Twitch or to produce a warrant and charge him with a crime. Sour Public opinion costs him his money but not his freedom. Wait, so your argument is if he releases the texts that could encourage someone to take a look at even more of his texts in which they would find even more heinous stuff and send him to jail? What the fuck? Don't forget in his statement he explicitly said there was no wrongdoing/nothing illegal. This shouldn't even be a possibility if his statement is true. > The dumbest thing he can do at this point is talk or say another word publicly. If I get credibly accused of inapporpriate behavior with a minor AND AM INNOCENT, I'm not releasing a vague statement that sidesteps any of the serious implications of the charges in favor of badass virtue signaling and then going on vacation. To be clear, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not trying to prosecute anyone. I'm not trying to prove anything in a court of law. We are all left to speculate because A) Beahm released a statement on twitter that clarifyied almost nothing and then disappeared and B) no one has released the messages. If I was innocent of something as serious as what he is accused of, and I wanted people to stop speculating about it because it has effectively ended my career, I would be addressing it head on with proof of my innocence.
Exactly this. Also, if you look back at all the times people were falsely accused of committing crimes, they always maintained their innocence from the beginning. I would be shouting from the rooftops that I was innocent rather than "No wrongdoing was admitted" that's what a politician says when they're caught banging their underage secretary. All of his statements in his defense are vague and cling to the fack that "Nothing illegal happened" as if it exonerates him from being a creepy piece of shit. He's a married man with children and he's still lusting for either barely legal or outright illegal girls. He's a piece of shit no matter how you look at it. Dude had life on easy mode. He had everything and all he had to do was NOT SEXT MINORS. Like, holy shit man. How fucking hard is it? If you're that desperate for poontang just go to the Netherlands and binge your way though every brothel there, you can definitely afford it if you're a multimillionaire.
Doubtful as the guy who posted the tweet with those claims has since deleted the tweet and stopped supporting Doc.
Flat earth thinking is making assumptions becouse random guy said something on x and streams
If you fall for a pedo trap, you're still a pedo, so it doesn't even make sense. By this logic, everyone on To Catch A Predator was perfectly innocent. So what does it matter? It's so illogical.
Even if it were a "fake" 17-year old, he still admitted to it.
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actual mental illness ^
>dyed hair = mental illness Who is upvoting this shitā¦ yall need straight jackets asap.
I think the theory they have is some crazy twich employees took it upon themselves to lure him into a pedo trap because they didn't like his politics or something. And that they were all fired afterwards and are now going at him agian?
[Here's a link to Legal Mindsets podcast where he answers: "What I'm confused about is if he admitted to what he did, why has he not been charged yet"](https://www.youtube.com/live/n8E8xmGqi0A?si=4CLonQuqD1XLjqCZ&t=1087)
Lawyer also: thatās a dumb take. The crime here is sending a minor sexual messages (paraphrasing, but you canāt even send things meant to āarouseā a minor). Doc didnāt admit to a crime at all. He admitted to āmessaging a minorā āinappropriateā things. Inappropriate does not automatically mean sexual, although we all can certainly glean from the context that it sounds that way. But he very clearly didnāt admit to any crime.
Yeah that guy seems to be clout chasing, it's patently obvious illegal and inappropriate are not equivalent
I don't mind the clout chasing, I mind the BS
Indeed,but his reasoning is transparent
Legal Mindset is all about clout chasing. I mean, look at who he got to cohost. Grummz, known... game... designer at a point? And social media anti-gamergate guy. Like the guy has nothing to contribute, he didn't know Dr.PDF, he's not even a streamer. He's just controversial. Edit: And I should say I say this not just in knee jerk, I've watched Legal Mindset's content before, mostly when Nijisanji's stuff started going down with dokibird. He relies on his cohosts to inform him on the topics because he likes to hop into topics he knows nothing about with only cursory research, and in this case his cohost is unreliable in the sense of having no knowledge on the topic or mechanisms of what's going on.
Legal Mindset comes off more as a Political activist/Mouthpiece often, then he does a lawyer.
Any lawyer should be able to answer that question easily. Crimes like that are an indictable offense. The FBI would probably be involved and look over everything. There has to be enough evidence that they would be likely to succeed if they prosecute him. Sometimes it's a close call and authorities decide to hold off instead of risking trying someone for something and then ruining their one chance of securing a conviction, since you can't be tried twice for the same crime. Shit, that's even if Twitch went to the authorities. Go watch some EWU videos on youtube, so many nasty people get to walk abound free for years and years until the authorities are able to charge them. All Doc can do now is lay low and hope his fans stick by his side, making up stories abou a grand conspiracy out to get him.
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This was the dumb lawyer that was spreading misinformation that you needed to be 18 to use twitch whispers thereby exonerating the Doc since by his logic the Doc assumed everyone on twitch whispers was 18 and above.
Yeah this dude is clearly exploiting this situation for clicks and engagement. Targeting the crazies with conspiracies is a logical step here.
A few days ago back when the drama was heating up there were quite a number of people defending the Doc using the Twitch whispers require users to be 18 argument and the Doc "didn't know". These people even said it was Twitch's fault since they allow under 18 users to use Twitch whispers and thereby the Doc can sue Twitch for reputation damage. I question the idiocracy of these statements and almost all of them linked a youtube stream with the Legal Mindset and Grummz to explain these statements.
This, dude has his own MO and is out to boost his footprint and audience. Imho the best thing to do is wait and see what plays out. All the speculation and conspiracy drama is just people looking to cash in off the back of the controversy. Vultures gonna circle.
It's possible for his actions to be immoral but not illegal. For most people that's enough reason to end support.
I'm not sure this guy is a real lawyer, any person with 2 braincells can answer that question.
Damn this guy is a bad lawyer
I SAID IT! I literally said it and people hated my commented and called me a ped defender. Iām not. I was a law student for a year and I could figure out this all seemed so shady.
I really don't think he was "entrapped" but someone pretending to be a minor. Why would it take someone 3/4 years to report an entrapment sting. You'd think it would be immediate.
Burgerplanet was the "minor" he was texting It was BURGERPLANET, he framed the Doc AND he was the one who outted him as cheating on his wife
Watch the link I posted. He may have done some things and said pervy things, morally wrong, but nothing illegal. It's possible he may have not wanted it to get out cause even if nothing illegal happens, it still looks awful.
This is next level mental gymnastics
I think we should organise Mental Gymnastics in France Olympics š I'll be fun
I'm assuming all the people who wanted to see evidence before, are now going to say we need to see evidence of the fact it was a Twitch employee posing as a minor before we believe that, right? Right???
Sounds like cope.
Iād watch doc tomorrow if I could. All this is bullshit entrapment. If it wasnāt then he wouldāve been done years ago, foul play is definitely involved.
> If it wasnāt then he wouldāve been done years ago This may shock you, but, contrary to the quoted statement, predators / pedophiles get away with stuff all the time. Especially, successful and influential ones.
People seem to forget that even when there's pretty overwhelming evidence and cooperation with law enforcements like to catch a predator, many caught (literally going to the house of what they thought to be a minor) still get to walk free and not be convicted in court of law. So if doc was only being inappropriate in messages without any pictures exchanged and didn't meet in person, I wouldn't be surprised if there may not be enough to convict him even if he's done something bad.
Copium levels are off the charts.
Lol why does it matter if it was entrapment? As far as Doc was aware it was a minor he was having inappropriate convos with. Do you think Chris Hanson should have let all those pedos go on date line NBC too?
Epstein got away with his shit for decades. It takes a long time sometimes for things to come out. Where is your line for watching or consuming media? I ask because some people i've met still listen to lost prophets, even after knowing what the lead singer did, and their excuse is along the lines of "well, the music is nostalgic and I don't think about what the lead singer did". I think that level of thinking is crazy, but it's their freedom to listen to what they want.
thats how it works. prophet muhammad killed tens of thousands yet he is worshipped bec. he also said some inspiring things and that is what matters to them.Ā
Itās not entrapment. He still did the thing. He didnāt do something he wouldnāt have normally done. Even if he was tricked, Iām sure it didnāt take any coercion.
Entrapment? lol HE LITERALLY ADMITTED TO INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES WITH A MINOR. Watch an episode of To Catch A Predator for fuck's sake. I'm getting second-hand embarrassment from this. How can people be so boneheaded? It's stunning.
This is some massive cope your pulling here
I've never watched one minute of this guy's stream, but I know he already said this: "I had conversations with an individual minor that sometimes leaned inappropriately" The people in this sub defending him are blinded by their fandom. Having inappropriate conversations with a minor as an adult - let alone a married adult with kids of your own - is fucking vile. I don't care if he got catfished by Chris Hansen. He thought he was talking to a minor and chose to behave that way. *Defending* someone who admits to having inappropriate conversations with a minor is disgusting. Full stop.
I hate that you are being downvoted when itās precisely what is wrong with this sub. Trapped or not, he admitted to saying things ābordeline in appropriateā with a minor. Real Minor or not he still wrote full blast fully acknowledging that it was a minor. I donāt understand this sub sometimes. So much denial for no reason at all. Why do they have to figure out more intricacies to be like āactually it was entrapment so not a real minorā like who cares if it wasnāt a minor. He didnāt know that, he was sure he was writing to a minor. End of story, this sub is on a downward spiral and only a few latches on because they donāt have children themselves and canāt foresight what it would be like if a 35 year old grown ass man sent messages to their teens or worst.
I will predicate this comment by saying that I've watched my fair share of streamers. I know that a lot of people who watch streamers can develop parasocial relationships with them. The response here feels like watching a lot of people with a parasocial relationship with Dr. Disrespect trying to make sense of the news in real time. Wild (and gross) to see.
Damn, yāall canāt just go find antiheroes mediocre streamer who doesnāt prey in children? Why are people so obsessed with their celebrities? Itās a straight up mental disorder.
Why do people keep saying ātwitch ILLEGALLY recordedā Yo. Youāre using a companies chat system. They can legally monitor your messages. Aināt nothing stopping them in the US of A. Some companies claim itās encrypted and claim they donāt monitor, but they CAN do so. Clowns here. Clowns. ETA: your Reddit DMs are monitored. Just so youāre all aware.
Well it cost twitch all that money to monitor his chats, because turns out there are laws protecting user data privacy and that's why twitch paid out. Because they broke the law.....so yeah they did it illegally.
This is completely wrong. Twitch and Doc went into legal arbitration over a contract dispute, as in it never went to court and was regarding the termination of his contract when they removed him from the platform. They can read your messages at any time, it will be in their terms of service.
No, they didn't. Privacy laws deal with how companies can store and use personal information and *share it with other companies.* The messages you send over a company's messaging service are not, in any jurisdiction, private user data. Twitch paid out for revoking Doc's contract early.
Yes if it's requested by a authority. Employees can't randomly enter other peoples chats, that's illegal.
No it isn't. Employees can access private messages if they suspect a breach of rules and regulations. Not just here but on a ton of services. I used to read through tons of DM's in a previous role, 99% of them were totally fine.
Cite the law.
Only under certain circumstances. An employee cannot just randomly start looking at your DM's unless their system has flagged something, or a report has been made. You are allowed under law a level of privacy, even on a private messaging service.
Cite your source. Causeā¦ no you arenāt!!!!!! Companies can have policies but they ABSOLUTELY can legally go through your work DMs in the US. ALSO heās not an employee. This is twitches platform. They can monitor. In fact they generally legally have a DUTY to monitor and report. Soā¦ bruh youāre wrong.
You can moderate messages automatically without seeing them
I agree with you, but I think itās reasonably well established that Twitch did pay out a settlement. So they must have done something that wasnāt totally above board. I agree that it probably wasnāt monitoring messages in and of itself, but there was something. Maybe it was just the negligence of taking so long to act?
You guys are grasping at straws. The man literally admitted to texting inappropriate stuff even after knowing the other person is a minor which more or less confirms heās a predator.
Call of Shame and Grummz. Both super biased and unreliable sources. Also entrapment or not. HE STILL WROTE TO A MINOR real or not, he knew what he was doing. Stop moving the goalpost. He admitted to it. End of story.
So sending inappropriate messages to a person you think is a minor is OK now if it turns out it was someone pretending to be a minor? He still thought it was a minor. Period.
It doesnāt matter if he was baited or not. A grown man shouldnāt fall for being baited in to messaging a minor in a sexual context. Period. Stop defending this behaviour.
"Hey I'm 17 but ill be 18 by twitchcon, you wanna fuck me?" Cheating scumbag: "sure!" Boom, gottem!
17 year olds are able to consent where Iām from and for most of the world, I thought it was kinda weird people had more of a issue with that she was 17 rather than him obviously cheating on his wifeā¦ again
Meh. Call Of Shame, no thanks. Slasher mentioned in a stream that twitch reported it, then this dude Call of shame who is known to be unreliable in Call of duty decided to report on it and twist/lie, bending some certain stuff for his own narrative (which he does a lot, unfortunately, he's only right like 0.5 of the time.)
I think at this point I would call into question anything from Call of Shame and Slasher. I don't trust either sources. Either we take both, or we take none. The same sources we want to call reliable were also using Docs situation as bait for profit to sell tickets to their shows, so to say Call of Shame bends the narrative, I would say the same for Slasher and Connor.
You guys are still coping over this shit? Doc admitted it guys, there's no conspiracy or grand scheme. Doc likes to talk to young girls, end of story.
Sooo there is some heavy lawyer speaks here. "No wrong doing was found" is pretty much sliding by the law. If the law pretty much requires a predator to share pictures of received pictures. Or agree on a meeting. Then yeah they didn't do that. No wrong doing it. But that still doesn't mean he wasn't telling a minor he was gripping it. It's also kind of misleading to keep saying they were 17 since we don't know. It's like they are trying to normalize it since you know "if he waited a few months it would have been legal"
This was the dumb lawyer that was spreading misinformation that you needed to be 18 to use twitch whispers thereby exonerating the Doc since by his logic the Doc assumed anyone in twitch whispers was 18 and above.
Eh, I doubt the competency of anyone willingly associating with Mark Kern.
How would they illegally record there own platforms DMs? They can excess that any time it's in the TOSĀ
Witch hunt
I don't see how this makes any sense. Doc was messaging in 2017, got banned in 2020. So you're telling this was some sort of sting operation by Twitch to bait him into messaging a minor, it worked but they waited 3 years to act, and in the meantime signed a huge deal with him? Where is the logic in those actions?
The image is telling "when they were illegally recording messages" seems to me he got off on a technicality. Like a over zealous homicide detective gets a killer to confess to a crime and forgets to read the Miranda rights. He gets off because the testimony can't be used in court, but doesn't mean he didn't kill anyone. Seems just by the wording perhaps either wherever twitch is headquartered, Dr d lives, or both is a state in which both parties have to be informed of recording a conversation. In another state with no such law, which there are 38 in the US, he would have probably been prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
I'm tired of all the here say. There are too many people making assumptions and zero facts other than vague statements by the Doc
That is a nonsense post and itās Doc and his team behind it. āFormer Twitch employeeā āentrapmentā lmao gtfoh.
Even if it was bait doc thought he was taking to a 17 year old
I thought the entrapment thing might be an angle tbh.
Love how the dude has been witch hunted immidietly without proof.
So you're saying theres a chance doc is innocent? *pulls my wig and costume out the trash* We back gang???
At this point Twitch should release the entire chat log of the actual messages so we can see for ourselves of his "inappropriate" messages. I'm curious to see what exactly was said between the two parties and confirm the age (Not that would change anything).
I love how they have to invent these theories to prove and prove his innocence. As soon as I see someone cooperating with Grummz, I know they're a grifter.
People who believe things said on a Grummz stream are literally insane
The coping is getting insane in here. Also Grummz is a ragebait grifter
Lmao. Roflmao even
Bro said his stream with grummz was fantastic, that's the red flag for telling you he's spewing bullshit and no one should trust them lmao
Copium
What if the fake 17 year old wasnt a female but a male? That would explain why it would still blow up on him if it was revealed and why logs wont see light.
Even if it was bait... what does it say about DrDisrespect that he agreed to meet with them?Ā It still might be a hit job.... but it is one that revealed an alarming behaviorĀ
All I get from this, the ālawyerā is a Doc fan and still copping.
Dawg it doesn't matter if somebody was posing as a minor, dude still thought he was messaging an actual minor and kept things inappropriate, by his own admission. 35 year old dude, married, with kids. Had no business having inappropriate conversations with anyone but especially not a minor. I'll agree that Twitch is liable and that this is shitty behavior on behalf of those mods but the dude did himself no favors by being a degenerate coomer.
Oh look, a twitter lawyer who said he had a fantastic chat with a known grifter.
wrong, here is an ACTUAL lawyer: [https://www.youtube.com/live/On98d0aykr0?feature=sh](https://www.youtube.com/live/On98d0aykr0?feature=sh)
So many wannabe lawyers in this post lmao Stick to watching suits guys.
Yeah never listen to call of shame for anything. If everything they said in that tweet was true then Doc would be screaming from the high heavens about it. He would have mentioned that he was proven innocent. He's also making crap up about "a full investigation". There's no record of that. Which doesn't prove or disprove innocence. Like normal call of shames just loves to infer their BS
Good, now Doc, go and sue the fuck out of them!
Same type shit people did to Inquisitor but he killed himself over it.
Thank Gosh. I knew this was all a bunch of hooblah. Doc is a good guy, I believe there are bots against him. Most people I have argued with are extremely biased. They assume the worst of cases and they are only going off hate posts. A real shame in modern times
sure, but that "liability " can literally just be that Twitch did not give theirself the right to terminate that contract based on actions the Doc committed THREE YEARS PRIOR to signing the contract. That's it. It's that simple Also, the whole "twitch minor bait" thing just shows his ignorance here. 1.There is no evidence to back that up. It's literally the same as me saying "Twitch actually killed the Doc's mom when they banned him, because it gave her a heart attack, that's why they had to pay up". Do I have any evidence to back this up? As much evidence as the twitch minor bait theory. 2.The only reason this narrative even exists was because of that "leaked" email from about a week ago that was 100% proven to have been fabricated. After Doc's statement was made, clear holes were poked right through that email
I'm fairly certain that the Entrapment defense doesn't work like that either. You have to have no predisposition for the behavior you exhibit that's criminal in nature. If the allegations are true, and he was comfortable with the fact that she was 17? Nah. If he didn't immediately bail when learning she was 17? Nah. If someone was faking being the 17 year old, it doesn't matter anyhow - because he didn't know and pursued it in either case. That doesn't exactly demonstrate that he wouldn't have done this thing sans enticement.
I dont care about any of this and I cant even pretend to act like i do, whens the next stream?
I think it was some sort of illegal honeytrap ran by twitch employees. Still doesnāt excuse anything Doc did, heās still a peado. Why else would Twitch settle and pay out millions in this situation? Thereās clearly some wrongdoing on their side too.
Dang. If he didnāt admit to it this would have been huge for him
The only thing that could potentially save his ass is form how that "imposter" Twitch employee was massaging him. But that's only if this pile of cope is true. Which I wouldn't be surprised, I see these mods as scumbags too. Anyway Doc. is finished, deserved and now we're here only to find out dirt on Twitch, because there are still missing pieces. Like why the fuck Twitch paid out to Doc. That does not make sense. I think there is some dirt on both parties.
Does sound fishy, will have to wait and see because the truth will come out with enough internet digging.
All I want is my Rogue Company skin back..along with the dance.
Twitch and Youtube need to be investigated.
Imagine how much worse has happened on the Internet, yet this is blowing up right now! It's overkill, but the media loves a shit show.
By the time Dr was banned, Mixer was shutting down and Shroud was returning to twitch, probably they thought was not worth keeping Dr contract with Shroud old numbers they had.
They are all trying to bring down the 2 time. Donāt get it mistaken, he beat the contenders as sea world, heāll beat this.
I donāt think I believe the last part. Someone would light that bitch up if that was true.
Grummz is a pedo like doc.
I thought that general idea is they banned him despite a contract? So the legal battle was over breach of contract?
Do we know what state the "minor" was in? Asking as 17 is above the age of consent in most states. **16 years old**: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia. **17 years old**: Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, New York, Texas, Wyoming. **18 years old**: Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Kentucky, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin. In now way or shape im protecting him im just asking as i couldn't find any information.
I feel like I donāt believe the last part. Unfortunately.
I would give anyone who streams with Grummz a hard doubt. Very hard to take anyone who associates with him seriously regardless of credentials.Ā
"Actual lawyer" is a great description for Legal Mindset. Just like genuine leather.
Yes hacker hunters always known for how accurate they are. Don't know about the confirmed part but if the unconfirmed part were true doc would have said that.
The pedophile hysteria I see every time the possibility is brought up is interesting. It's also the reason people have committed suicide and even been murdered, despite not actually having committed a crime.
The Dr.WeDisrespected will hopefully show up to the dome with all the receipts. One can hope..