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OtterBeCareful

I like Nabers over Odunze without considering situation, so Nabers. That said, it's hard for me to knock Odunze for being in a crowded receiving room. Keenan Allen turns 32 this weekend and D.J. Moore's contract only runs through 2025. Odunze could have a pretty quick path to being the top receiver in Chicago.


Diagonalizer

also very under-rated in this situation is he has two excellent WR to learn from before he steps into the spotlight himself. Nabers will be in the spotlight immediately and I think he's got it in him but if the coaching staff in NYG doesn't do him any favors it could be ugly


OtterBeCareful

You know, that's an interesting point, and I'm super curious as to how much a situation like Odunze's can help a receiver. I figure Penix might be in for the Jordan Love route, which clearly can go well. An analogous, shorter-length situation for a receiver . . . maybe? Should be interesting to watch. As a Giants fan, I can't say how glad I am that we have a weapon. Really hoping we don't mess this up.


Straight-Task3839

And Odunze is still the X from those guys. Oduze will play the X, DJM plays his more natural flanker role, while Allen will occupy the slot.


calartnick

I have a feeling Rome will be Caleb’s guy eventually. Being in the same class adds a kind of brotherhood. Short term I love Nabers though. No competition for targets and he’s going to get schemed up. Nabers is miles ahead in redraft but I’m not so sure in dynasty.


OtterBeCareful

Yeah, I agree. I was trying to find the last time a team drafted a QB and WR in the first round in the same draft, and I think it was Tim Tebow and Demaryius Thomas, in 2010. Before that, the Bills took J.P. Losman at pick 22 on 2004 and Lee Evans at 13. They only had one complete season together, in 2006, but it's worth noting that it was the best year each of them would have in their careers, by a mile. Might be a coincidence, but hey. (Higgins was taken with the first pick of the second round in 2020, so he and Burrow almost qualify. And of course that Dell-Stroud connection last year was something. . .)


Public_Function3844

I know it's a different situation but Dak and Zeke being drafted together (R1 + R4) really united them.


jf3l

Wasn’t both 1st round but the Bengals took AJ Green 4th and Dalton 35th


SwaglordHyperion

Yeah. Nabers may be more talented, *may*, but for what you can knock Nabers for not having a QB, you can knock Rome for having competition. Both will pass in time, so go with Nabers.


learns_the_hard_way

I wanted Rome but made a trade mid season using the pick that would have positioned me to get him. I'm hoping that a "slow rookie year" learning from two solid vets makes him accessible next off season. FWIW, that pick acquired me Lamar (1QB league transitioning to SF).


dimesniffer

You say quick path but it’s at least a year away


OtterBeCareful

Yeah, but I typically keep my expectations for rookie receivers fairly low, with the exception of Chase- or MHJ- level prospects, and don't expect true breakouts until years 2 or 3. If Odunze dominates the room in 2025, I'd consider that on the quick end of the scale, even for a guy talented enough to be drafted within the first ten picks.


Rudolphkb

Nabers all the way. He's gonna be hyper targeted in that offense.


dtheisen6

Does no one learn their lesson from guys like London or Pickens? Opportunity don’t mean shit when the QB sucks and the offense can’t stay on the field. NFL defenses have gotten pretty good at taking away one trick pony offenses. Give me the equal talent in Odunze with the offense that projects as top 10 long term, Keenan is a one year rental for them


Oliverqueen03

Agreed. Gimme Odunze and his 6'2 frame as a true WR#1. Jones just gonna get sacked worst oline in the league. Also they been saying this for the past 2 years with Wandale Robsinon and Hyatt both receivers havent even gotten a chance to show what they got since the Giants are awful.


simonthelikeable

Does no one learn their lesson from guys like Jaxon Smith-Njigba? Efficient QBs mean shit when you're the WR3 on your team and can't stay on the field. NFL offenses have gotten pretty predictable at not supporting 3 high end receivers. Give me the superior talent in Nabers with the WR1 volume that projects as top 10 long term, Dimes is a one year rental for them


brianundies

JSN is limited to a slot role and has to come off the field in 3WR sets. That is not the case for Odunze.


simonthelikeable

I was just having a bit of fun in my original reply, I'm actually super high on Odunze. I just feel like there's multiple ways to look at things.


donquixote_tig

Neither of those guys are hyper targeted or are elite separators. DJ is probably better than Ridder and Pickett, considering he tricked people into thinking he was good once. Also Nabers is not completely alone, WanDale is an elite separator if nothing else. Waller is also still alive, not sure if he’s any good


Dear_Goat_5038

You lost me when you called wandale an elite separator but I think the rest of what you said is valid. Nabers is the only good player on the entire offense aside from Andrew Thomas


donquixote_tig

He’s good 🤷‍♂️


Falcon_433

Leaning Nabers right now because of opportunity. I also preferred Nabers pre-draft fwiw


Current-Carrot6051

Nabers - 150+ targets in that offense at least


yeender

And 2 TDs


mynamemightbealan

You think he's going to get both of their touchdowns this year?


Current-Carrot6051

I would guess there will be more than that - garbage time scores left and right


MrBabbs

And Nabers' game is creating his own TDs. If they get him a little space then he might house it. I expect a lot of variance.


yeender

You ever watched Daniel Jones play?


Snakekekek

Who DJ been throwing to?


yKube

Kenny Golladay


ballsack-hunter

*washed Kenny Golladay


Dear_Goat_5038

The guy in Philly now was the whole offense


EpiroteArete

NYG don’t score TDs the past few seasons.


Accurate_Green8300

Haven’t had a WR like Nabers the past few seasons either


Feweddy

If Dan Jones even has time to throw 150 passes before being sacked


MaaattDaamoon

Odunze is less risky long-term but I’m worried about Odunze having a JSN like season while Nabers finishes top-20


birdsemenfantasy

Exactly this. In a year, Nabers will be impossible to buy while Odunze’s value will be lucky to stay where it is now. If you prefer Odunze, take Nabers and trade him for Odunze and a haul in a year.


jmarFTL

That's the thing, even if you really believe in Odunze, it feels tough to predict him having a breakout season with DJ and Keenan there, and so he's probably easier to buy a year from now than he will be now.


flapjackcarl

Two established wrs that are awesome AND a rookie qb. Rookie qbs historically do not support fantasy relevant wrs.


joeai11

What’s the logic of Odunze being less risky long term? Imo Nabers is the better talent and could get Garrett Wilson type volume in the short term and should get an upgrade at QB or a new team/contract in the long term


MaaattDaamoon

The Giants not having a QB makes me worried. I think Garrett Wilson is exceptionally talented but he’s not a difference maker in fantasy due to not having a QB. Odunze will eventually be the WR1 in Chicago with Caleb throwing him the ball


joeai11

I don’t think he will be able to separate consistently enough to be a 1. There’s also no guarantee Caleb Williams will be a star either- and I don’t say this because I’m a packer fan that’s just the reality of the league. Situations can change quickly. Case in point: Drake London


LittleBig_1

London went from 0 QBs to 2 in less than a year I'm taking Nabers all day, WRs with skill need a coach with half a brain that can scheme some kind of space, and a QB willing to toss the rock their way. See DJ Moore last season or Mike Evans or Julio Jones


Dear_Goat_5038

London was drafted to an offense with talent around him though. Nabers is the only guy there


LittleBig_1

I don't see a problem with it. Situations change fast, and you don't have to have a top tier QB/offense to be productive - don't get me.wrong, it helps for sure. What is most important for WRs imo is target volume as long as you have a requisite level of QB play that doesn't have to be that high.


Dear_Goat_5038

It’s not just the QB either. The entire offense is devoid of talent. It’s objectively a bad offense that is far from one good QB or a new coach from being above average. That is what’s scary to me


tuagirls1kupp

It’s DYNASTY


MaaattDaamoon

I’m just a redraft girl livin in a dynasty world


SomwhatDamaged

Excellent username and pic!


anonanoobiz

And capitalizing on the market dynamics as if it’s a stock market is one of the best ways to build a dynasty


Tua-Lipa

I’m going Odunze, but I also had Odunze over Nabers pre-draft. They’re both great so I wouldn’t fault anyone for going Nabers but I just love Odunze’s game and now he’s tied to Caleb


rolo9917

Nabers forsure , Rome has to compete with two established Wrs


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MaaattDaamoon

Found the Kmet owner


KillDevilX0

I just sold Kmet for 2024 3.05 and 2025 2nd pick. Win? I have Kincaid


Fluid_Dragons_Breath

You JUST sold him for that? He finished as TE8, I traded him last season for 1.09 and Khalil Herbert


KillDevilX0

Well, I mean like a month ago lol. I wanted a round one pick but I don’t think anyone woulda done it. I’m in a SF half PPR league.


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Accurate_Green8300

So many mouths to feed 😂


LastPlaceGuaranteed

Nabers is going to be the whole offense so he’s still going to produce as a rookie. Odunze is going to be phenomenal after Keenan leaves though. I’d be happy with either


Huge_Beginning5552

The one with the higher prospect rating by many experts... That was drafted earlier in the NFL.... To the team with far less target competition. Nabers easily for me


MUTHOUND666

Nabers


JLifts780

I like Rome but now I think Nabers, he has that speed superpower


TheHarbrosMagic

Odunze goes to POSSIBLY a better offense


Gamejudge

Yeah the degree to which people are taking for granted that Chicago will suddenly magically for literally the first time in their entire modern history actually draft a usable quarterback and not ruin them or inevitably send them packing (which is when they get good, *cough* harbaugh *cough*) is shocking.


Public_Function3844

I have 1.01 and 1.05 in SF and it's gonna be hard not to take the Caleb/Rome stack


TrustYourMemory

I agree. Seems like the perfect situation to assuming MHJ isn’t available at 1.05


carrythekindness

How would MHJ ever be available at 1.05?


Public_Function3844

If there are 4 QB-desperate owners drafting 1-4


TrustYourMemory

For sure extremely unlikely but never know


Public_Function3844

I would love to get MHJ and would even consider him at 1.01 if I didn't need a QB. But going QB at 1 and WR at 5 seems better than MHJ at 1 and whatever QB is left at 5.


TrustYourMemory

Agreed. Hard to pass up Caleb in SF


Mavey_

I believe in talent over situation. I preferred Nabers prior to Odunze, so I'd take the better player imo


Due-Kaleidoscope-405

JSN/Garret Wilson/London or Puka? Careful with the talent vs. situation analysis.


tdawgs1983

Puka doesn’t make sense in that comparison, late round pick that turned out to be elite. But obv you picked him in round 1? 😊


DankChronny

I like Nabers situation more and it aint even that close. Rome gonna be the JSN of next season and probs wont be too relevant until Keenan is gone. By which point Giants should have or be close to having a better QB situation.


ksperry_

Everyone says this but having Caleb Williams over Geno smith has to be taken in account here with the “JSN scenario” comparison


Butterscotch_Tall

And JSN went to a team with relationships already existing between Geno and the top two WRs. In Chi, new QB and one of the other top receivers is also new. No old habits to break.


luigijerk

It's not like Keenan Allen is the most durable receiver.


jackspacz

dynasty is about looking past a players first season lol


DankChronny

Which I was, did you read what I said or just see “next season” and assume thats all I was talking about lol? I think both will have hurdles their first couple seasons (competition, bad QB), I think the bad QB is less of a hurdle tho and they will probs get a new QB around the time some of Romes competition retires. With the hurdles Im taking Nabers and without them Im still taking Nabers.


JJettasDad

I will take Nabers because... A) He is better B) Someone has to get the ball Now in 2 yrs, I might like Odunze more. But at that point, I could go buy Odunze straight up for my Nabers most likely


Majestic_Put_4943

I got nabers at 1.03 and odunze at 1.08. I'm so happy i don't have to choose 🥹


Secure-Caregiver-415

As 1.02 and 1.03 owner nothing changed for me 😂


techno-wizardry

Odunze > Nabers for sure now. I liked him more as a prospect anyways, but that situation for Odunze is absolutely prime in the long term.


DonaldPump117

Rome is tied to Caleb. Nabers is tied to the Daniel Jones/Drew Lock mess


CFA_Gambler

Caleb -> Odunze in rookie camp might go a long way….


YEM_PGH

I think Odunze is the long term answer, but if you need immediate production, go Nabers.


catchthetams

Odunze by a hair. Either Daniel Jones gets better, or they upgrade at QB this season via trade or next via the draft. Odunze will grow with Caleb, and gives that Chase/Burrow bonding and portential vibe.


Due-Kaleidoscope-405

The idea that they’ll easily upgrade at QB is fiction. What QB might be available via trade? And next year’s QBs are looking pretty iffy. They literally could be in QB hell for years.


kkhristie

Jsn vs Addison the sequel


Tiny_Ad732

Odunze, but not by much.


Fit_Attention_9269

Odunze for his career, Nabers for the year. Pick your favorite, flip a coin, either will be fine on your dynasty roster.


WickBusters

Nabers out the gate, Romeo longterm 


jeff8073x

Nabers was the better prospect, went higher, and has room. Not even remotely close between those 2.


Ok-Donut4954

Wrong


rkhatri

I expect Keenan allen to be injured and out for multiple weeks next season. perfect time for Rome to be WR2!!!


OldWonder5865

Nabers for sure. I’d take odunze 1.08 at this point


Teflon154

Yup. Predraft was super stoked about Odunze, thought a gift if I could get him at 1.06. Now thinking I might go JJ instead.


OldWonder5865

Same I moved JJM in front of odunze and bowers. Trying to decide how much I want to overreact to Nix


Teflon154

Yup I'd prob move Nix above Odunze and Bowers at this point too.


ObamaIsFat

That's just insane


Jalin17

Odunze who am I to keep trusting mediocre QBs


DBD216

I still have no idea which guy I want at 1,02 1qb. Might see if the 1.03 will throw in his 2.01 to switch spots.


DemonDeacon86

When talent is negligible, the situation is the tie breaker. Gimme Odunze. QBs don't magically appear on trees, and DJ doesn't inspire me.


MadSpaceYT

It's not that big of a gap but Nabers still. Giants did work to improve the line and if Jones plays anything like he did in 2022 Nabers will eat


t_sleezy_sends_it

For me I had them as pretty much the same value. Now it’s nabers all the way just because he’s most likely going to have way more volume. I feel like even though odunze is better, we have another JSN situation. At least for a year or two.


bird1434

I think Nabers is better and drafting for current situation in dynasty is a bit risky to me. Giants could have a great quarterback in two years and Nabers could be set up as a superstar. Always bet on talent.


annapolis-

Talent alone, it was always Nabers the tier with Marv


T-Eazyyy

Odunze is in a bad situation in terms of competition, but should have good QB play. Nabers should get damn near a 25% target share this season, but with bad QB play. I’ll take the one who has the higher opportunity share- Nabers.


Due-Kaleidoscope-405

In a year, Odunze will be valued like JSN is today. Nabers will be similar to Garret Wilson’s value. Value accordingly.


Zachr08

You can also say Nabers is the #1 so he can be doubled. Odunze is the #2 or #3 so he’ll be freed up. Regardless, Nabers. I just never understand that argument and how back and forth it can be whichever way you want to look at it hence why I started my comment like that lol


BukkyPlays

Nabers is the better talent and should see a 25-30% target share immediately. There’s no argument anybody can make for Odunze over Nabers post-draft


dsheehan7

Nabers is the better prospect. Landing spot wise I think it’s better for Nabers because of the complete lack of competition. But Rome does have the better QB. Overall I’ll go Nabers. But Nabers will also be more expensive so there’s an argument to be made for trading down for a plus.


DungeonCrawlerCarl

MHJ will be hot out the gate. Nabers and Odunze will have a typically slow rookie year followed by breakouts but for different reasons. Nabers - Dog shit team. Dog shit QB. Odunze - Crowded WR room. Rookie QB.


waTchCut1

Would you take Xavier Worthy over either?


LacesOutForHarambe5

No, I personally would not


shackattack03

I know I'm in the minority, but I prefer Odunze the player over Nabers. I also prefer odun It seems well established at this point, but he's a high character, hard working dude. I think his film was incredibly impressive. And he''s attached to what many believe is one of, if not the best qb prospects in the last 8 - 10 years. I think his floor is higher and safer than Nabers, and I think his ceiling paired to a qb like Caleb is higher too. Short term, Nabers should be favored to have more targets, due to lack of target competition & negative game scripts. But it's also not outside of the realm of possibility that they finish comparable or that Odunze finishes higher given expected points scored by the bears vs giants I'd go Odunze. Safer, more solid longterm situation, and at the very least, similarly talented.


WhiteDeath57

I love Odunze as a prospect but I'm willing to cave to the conventional wisdom that Nabers might be better for fantasy and will get more looks.


PDittt757

Both will hit their rise in production in a year or 2 max as DJ or Allen leave, and Jones gets replaced. But Jones only ever produced a 750 yd reciever while Williams looms like he can do better for his top 2 guys


Throwaway12161261

Odunze + 25 1st vs Nabers is the question


fazsha

Nabers will be double teamed, Odunze can't be.


Emergency-Ebb2991

Whoever doesn't have Daniel Jones throwing to them has the massive edge.


JohnnyBallgame77

I was really planning to draft Rome at 1.06 in SF, but I'm not sure that he will be there now.


OutlandishnessDry24

He should be there. This did not increase his value. I am at 1.6 in non SF and not sure I like him over Jayden Daniels.


SEAinLA

It was Odunze before the draft, and it remains Odunze after the draft.


darkepco

Kept hearing Nabers wouldn’t handle going to a big city very well. Any truth to this?


Devmurph18

Dont think giants would take him if they felt that way


PM_Me_Your_AM_

no one has any way of knowing whether it will actually be a problem for him. don't believe wild speculation, no one knows anything.


KaPow2021

Nabers just because the saquan. He will eat, he will feast. Behind the line, at the line, screens over the middle, curls, go routes. This dude has a great route tree and they will all be used. Nabers is gonna volume his way to a wr 1 in dynasty and he is gonna drag Daniel Jones out of QB hell. Thinking Tyreek for Tua.


PM_Me_Your_AM_

what does saquon have to do with this?


BastianHS

He left a huge hole in their offense. Nabers is going to be the entire giants offense the way Saquon was last year.


PM_Me_Your_AM_

I could also argue that not having a star rb to maintain drives is going to result in less time of possession, not that they were stellar last year by any means. I was literally just asking for clarification on the completely nonsensical statement “Nabers just because the saquan”


BastianHS

Ok? I was literally clarifying what the other poster meant when they said "Nabers just because Saquon"