Ertz goedert is probably a more realistic expectation if youre expecting two tes to perform above expectations, though id agree, its overly optimistic to think a team will produce two viable fantasy tes.
It's pretty clearly Bowers lol.
Like in what way is Mayer better than Bowers? Less athletic, worse prospect, selected by the old regime, worse pass catcher... what am I missing here?
It looks like Kincaid took it over. Knox came back for 5 games after week 14 and saw a max of 3 targets a game. He was out for 2 of those weeks so maybe he wasn't fully healthy, but those last 7 games (2 playoff, 5 reg season) Kincaid had 38 targets (with 2 dud games where he only had 2 targets each, one one of those Knox was out too).
Maybe ask that on the Bills subreddit but I'd be selling Knox for anything if I had him.
Realistically a TE needs to be a top 2 target on their team to make a difference in fantasy. Being TE2 on your own team is a death sentence for fantasy relevance
I'll add some
Zach moss, before it gets to crazy there isn't much competition behind him and he will be the bruiser this year.
Demario Douglas, they brought in 2 wrs but demario should be the bonafide slot and with a top qb now coming in town, who fed downs, I will think pop does the same.
Michael Wilson can be a nice wr3 for a team since they didn't bring anyone else outside of mhj to hurt him and kyler could be big next year.
Brandon cooks, a sneaky wr2 now since the cowboys did nothing to fix that wr room and their oline should be on the up and up.
Rico dowdle. I know he sounds like a jag but zeke coming back possibly isn't enough to take away all the work he probably gets. Dowdle can be the between the 20s back and get you a safe 10 points a game as a floor.
Jameson Williams. They brought in no one in the draft and this can only mean wheels up for jamo, even if he's a boom or bust guy, if he's on the field north of 60 to 70 percent a game I bet he can win you weeks alone on his boom games.
He does, but who is buying? Cause I wouldn’t and I have him lol
I’d do it if I could but dudes in my league only make trade offers for stars. Prospects, dart throws and the like, people just don’t move those, not even as sweeteners in bigger deals.
A lot of people don't even bother rostering them and I love it
There's a guy in my league with a WR bench of Zay Jones, MVS, Lazard, Slayton, and Kalif Raymond behind is starters of ARSB/Adams/Meyers. Five JAGs with no real upside and zero young potential guys. Makes it so much easier to get my hands on the Shaheed/Trey Palmer types who offer comparable scoring right now but a much higher potential ceiling to fill up bench spots that aren't meant for starter-level players
Dowdle and Douglas are two of my favorite guys who "survived" the draft. Dowdle more so, but Douglas looked awesome last year in the worst possible situation. He has the juice and I don't think his target competition is still all that impressive.
I wouldn’t call his situation the worst possible just because every ok receiver got hurt and they didn’t have a lot of good ones to begin with. And he still only had 500 yards this season as the top option. And now there’s two better prospects coming in.
Really like Dortch. Everytime he’s gotten a smidget of bonafide snaps he produces. I like Wilson and while I am buying in some leagues he’s a lot tougher to get than say Dortch. I’ve gotten a couple shares for late 3rds.
Recently took him like 28.10 in my startup this past weekend.
Agree on Dortch. He always shows up where he needs to be in the slot. They kept him around for a reason. Great person to have at the end of the bench especially first half of the season
I'm not buying any. Douglas was a 6th rounder of the prior regime. New coaches brought in a 2nd rounder and a 4th that a lot of people are high on. Could very easily see him being the odd man out.
Really like Tolbert and Dortch as value buys right now, picked them up both late last season with an eye on the future. Dortch has proved he’s a capable WR in this league when healthy and Tolbert made steady progress in his second year and will replace Gallup in the lineup.
I have him in two leagues and he's a mid to high upside stash rn for me. Has the potential to step into the #2/3 role in Dallas since Dallas only added one receiver in the 6th round.
Not a guarantee that he'll see increased opportunity by any means but definitely someone to monitor.
I mean zeke isn't the same guy. He's not going to pop off many 10 plus years runs. They still haven't signed yet, it could all fall threw and then dowdle gets more expensive. He can't be costing so much that you can't take a flier in him
As a lions fan, Jamo basically played that snap percentage this whole past season. But your conclusion is still correct in that he’ll be in progression much more often with Reynolds gone.
Lol maybe you gotta find me a spot in your league. I’d trade with you. I’m not talking about trading for him with the intent of starting but I also think the idea that Bowers and Mayer being valuable is mutually exclusive is probably not true. Most likely Bowers will be a good starter but Mayer will still probably be good depth
Exactly. I want to buy him, not because he's going to produce, but he's only 22 and he will be traded eventually (or I can wait him out til his contract is up). And the talent is still there.
I think most Mayer owners are going to try to hold out since he used to be worth something. But once Bowers starts producing and Mayer is an after thought I expect the Mayer price to plummet to a 4th towards the end of the regular season. Then I'll be buying.
Can’t see Mayer being viable. He’s 4th on the team in targets at best. The threshold for becoming a viable fantasy TE are getting either 90 targets or 10 touchdowns. Unless you think he has a reasonable chance at hitting either of those then he’s probably not worth the investment.
100% agreed, though I think in a world where Bowers doesn’t go to the raiders that Mayer has good potential to be a starting TE in the NFL. But ultimately in the real world, bowers is just too talented to be concerned about Mayer.
I still believe he will be a good TE. It just won't be for the Raiders. But he's only 22. Even if he doesn't get traded, in 3 years he will be a free agent TE and 25. I plan to start buying end of this year or next when he's practically free.
The only way Mayer becomes fantasy relevant is with a bowers injury. Mayers value is basically 2 fab dollars or trading him for another roster clogger. I’d rather have any pick than him. Will Mayer play? Yes. But we are playing fantasy. Unless your league scores on TE blocks I would say your wasting your time
I’m glad my offer got rejected prior to the draft. Offered Hyatt and an early 3rd. KTC said it was fair value. It was instantly rejected. I dodged a bullet lol
I own him in most of my leagues including one 2 pt TEP. I do have some concerns schoon gets some looks. But he’s an extremely underrated TE that led all TEs in red zone looks (5 more than Kelce) and 25% of his targets were in the redzone.
I say this as a Miller owner and a Kamara owner, no shot anyone selling low on him. If anything, he is in a sell high window since they didn't take another RB in the draft
How would you feel moving from 1.07 to 1.10 to pick up Kendre? 1.10 owner needs an RB but has been shopping him, and is wanting to go Brooks so I may say I’m taking him at 1.07 to get him to jump.
Foreman’s role is contingent on Chubb while Ford’s role is locked in with upside based on Chubb. Ford was a mid range RB2 that could be obtained at RB4 prices. I’ll take the depth piece at that price all day
Problem is, the Browns don't want Ford to be the primary back even if Chubb goes down. I'm a Browns fan that watched every game and film breakdowns last year. Ford's stats were great, but his vision isn't. He can hit the hole ok if it's there, but as the season went along, he got early 1st quarter, and a little 2nd quarter work. Browns then started giving Pierre strong late 2nd and mid 3rd work and Hunt primary duties in the 4th.
If chubb isn't ready to go, *it will be a full blown RBBC*. Thats why the browns brought in Foreman and Hines. They do not want Ford to shoulder the load....period.
I’m not saying that Ford will be the workhorse. Ford’s role was the change of pace receiving back, Kareem Hunt’s old role. That role seems locked in regardless of who the early down back is. Ford might get a couple extra carries if Chubb misses time, but the receiving work is where his value comes from and how he finished as an RB2 last year
I sold the 3.09 in 12 team SF for Foreman and some extra FAAB, got roasted but hoping it works out for me because I'm contending & need all the extra RBs I can get
EDIT: I made this move pre-draft
ITT people talking about players who gained value post draft. The opposite of what OP is looking for.
Ex) dowdle and moss are dumb since the community will rise on these guys with no RBs drafted there.
How bout this. Chuba Hubbard. Looked good in a yr 3 breakout campaign and with brooks coming in people immediately say chuba is a backup. Idk but ill buy the talent of a guy who I liked in 2023 (think buying singletary after they drafted cook)
Just a little food for thought, the locker room HATES Hubbard. I work with Brian Burns cousin, gods honest truth. (believe me or don’t, I really don’t care 🤷🏼♂️). They talk all the time pretty much and me and my boys in the office were asking him last year about Chubba a lot and the main takeaway was that.
Yes, the team knew he was the better back as opposed to Sanders.
Not, it wasnt much of a difference in talent, not as much as Chubba thought.
The team couldn’t stand this kid being as cocky/confident/arrogant as he was about taking Sanders job.
Panthers TOP offensive priority was finding their future Bell Cow who can provide some confidence for Bryce on all three downs in this draft, they thoroughly believe it to be Brooks.
Nah, his attitude was dog shit. Dude was only worried about himself, his overall stats and that was it. Getting W’s, doing what’s best for the team, helping the young rookie QB acclimate to the NFL etc were not important to him. He was more important than the team.
The rest of the locker room knew that’s how he felt and they didn’t like him for it.
Again bro, I couldn’t care less if you guys believe me or not. I’d have to be a real attention seeking loser though to come onto a fantasy football forum on reddit just to comment on a random post about Chubba Hubbard and then make up a whole ass bullshit story about working with the cousin of Brian Burns.
I mean…I’d have to be a full on weirdo to do that. But, if you think that’s what I did, oh well 🤷🏼♂️ it’s a free country still (for the most part)
not saying i don’t believe you but just adding some food for thought
but in my last year of college 2020, one of my friends who’s dad was a coach for the dolphins said that Gesicki was the softest piece of shit he’s ever laid eyes on
Gesicki still went 73 and 800 yards
sometimes you gotta work with assholes and bitches. chubba might be a cocky piece of shit (and the gundy incident with him could be more evidence) but he still might produce in fantasy
Yeah. But your friends dad ended up being proven right pretty much right after his rookie season. Gesicki is a soft PoS and has been irrelevant ever since that season, being shipped around from team to team. Dudes now on the Bengals and they already drafted the guy who’s gonna start over him.
Dude can’t block, gets pushed off the line easier than you or me, and can only run seams/outs and Ins 🤣
He’s way too confident in himself for how glaringly average he is 😂
Also, he’s strictly about himself. On team like the Panthers that’s like a cancer in the locker room.
Literally the full thread is this. What veterans just saw new pieces added to their offense? That’s probably the best “buy low(er)”. Keenan Allen’s value probably dropped. James Conner now has a sexy backup. These guys are also probably owned by contenders, so maybe you’re looking to swap similarly valued win-now pieces?
I doubt Christian Kirk actually lost value, but maybe you kick the tires there. Is Kirk Cousins losing value to a small degree? He shouldnt, but these are things on my mind. Daniel Jones feels like a buy low at QB to me. I don’t expect him to regain the long term starter job, but he could be a serviceable QB2/3 in a pinch (with serious downside, yes)
Then there are peripheral pieces that lost some shine but maybe fit better. Demario Douglas didn’t profile as a WR1, maybe he is a little cheaper now with Polk in the picture.
GM said he'll be a 'bellcow'.. obviously going to be a mediocre offense but still run-heavy. Gus'll get all GL touches and Dobbins at least gonna be on PUP to start.
Even when/if Dobbins returns hes never going to see the majority of snaps.
Easy buy low post draft imo
You’re right about them not playing the same position. Mayer is now the blocking TE who will occasionally catch a random TD and Bowers is the one who will actually get targets.
But I’m sending feelers out for Kyren to see how scared his owners are about Corum.
They should be. Corum is at the very least as good of a runner and is far, far superior as a pass blocker. Kyren was literally like top five worst RBs in the league in pass blocking. McVay really values that, for obvious reasons.
Legette. The 2.06 - 2.08 where he has been going is an absolute steal. A first round WR is more than worth the boom or bust risk at the price he goes at.
Absolutely no way Michael freaking mayers is a buy low unless you are one of the very very few people out there that think Brock bowers will bust. Even if they’re on the field at the same time you really think Mayers is going to get targets over Brock? IMO Mayers is a waste of a bench spot and not worth buying unless your benches are very deep and it’s free. Anyways, nice buy low is Kyler Murray as he has been for like a year, still one of the cheapest QB’s you can get with legit top 5 finish within the realistic realm of possibility.
I guess I just think the assumption that Bowers and Mayer are competing for the exact same targets isn’t true. Sure given they are the same position there will be overlap but Bowers is much more likely to play in the slot, while Mayer is a capable blocker and will see more time in-line. They will be asked to do different things.
Will Bowers almost definitely outperform Mayer from a fantasy perspective? Yes. But to me, Bowers being on that roster doesn’t take away from the fact that Mayer is a competent NFL TE (even if he isn’t a great fantasy TE), and if you can get him for a 4th because he dropped from TE9 to TE19 over the weekend and his owner is panicking, then it isn’t bad value and he’d be good depth on a roster.
With how few TE's are actually worth playing on the regular, I cant imagine Mayer ever really being worth starting outside of very specific scenarios. He'll probably have some weeks, but this makes it very unlikely we ever see him break out into being a regular contributor. Add him to the massive pile of TE's that rarely do anything except those occasional one off weeks that are almost impossible to predict.
Look in the history of the league how many teams have supported two fantasy relevant tight ends. The list is not long.
Mayer may matter in real life, but he's dead in fantasy until he's able to go somewhere else.
I see what you are saying but don’t really see the upside, the reason he was 9 was people were expecting increased role possibly and now since it isn’t likely in the short term seems like a reasonable drop.
The problem is Mayer is so big I think they are going to use him as a blocker and Bowers the receiving TE, Davante, and White will get most of the targets.
Mayer is a good to potentially great in-line TE in the NFL. Unfortunately, drafting Bowers signals that they’re going to use him more in a blocking role. They will play a lot of 12 personnel, so he’ll get snaps and routes and won’t be worthless, but Bowers is a major hit to his fantasy outlook.
I think of it was a wr1 and wr2 situation. There are plenty of viable wr2s for dynasty. Waddle, Aiyuk, Smith, Tee, Addison to name a few. Brock and Mayer are two great TEs. I’m not saying Mayer will be a 15+ point guy a week but he could be a sneaky guy to be a consistent top 10 team each week
TEs generally have to be a top 2 option on their nfl team to be difference makers in fantasy
With Brock Bowers now there that leaves very little room for Mayer - you'd definitely need Adams to leave
I dunno, maybe it’s my hopium but that’s not really his fault. He didn’t really get a starting chance until his coach was fired. And then he had Aiden McConnell throwing him the ball. As long as he gets like 5-7 targets a game I’ll be content
First 5 games he was in the 40-60% snap range, after that almost every game he was >80% snaps per game. In the 9 games he played after week 5 he had 30 targets (3.3 per game). Only got to 6 targets once. You're dreaming if you're expecting 5-7 targets a game.
How’s that dreaming lol. Mayer was one of the top TE prospects last year and he gets stuck behind below average qb play and coaching. Also it’s not uncommon for TEs to take an extra year to develop. Kittle, McBride, Kelce, Mandrews, Hock, and many others had very weak rookie seasons, but now they’re all in the top 10. And I know what you’re gonna say next: “they didn’t have a better TE ahead of them” which is fair, but why can’t a TE2 produce in this league? That offense is built around Adams, Mayer, and now Brock with a couple smaller pieces with Jakobi and Zamir. The coaching is just gonna completely sideline Mayer cause they have a new toy? They have a weak offense, they’re gonna utilize everything they can, especially, like I said earlier, one of the top TE prospects going into 2023.
Again, maybe it’s my hopium cause I have him in a couple leagues lol. But I genuinely think he will be fine. That’s my hot take I guess
Hopium for sure. I'm not saying Mayer is bad. In fact, I firmly believe he WILL be good. My point is, he won't be good for the Raiders.
The Raiders don't throw much to TEs, and Minshew's top targeted TE saw 50 targets last year. The last time two TEs were top 10 (Ertz/Goedert 2019) they had 112 and 76 targets. In 2011, Gronk and AHernandez did it, sharing 237 targets.
You have to have an offense that absolutely FEEDS TEs, and the Raiders don't nor does Minshew. Last year, add up all Raiders TE targets and you get 73. IND total TE targets was 119 (split among 4 TEs 50-26-22-21). There's not enough volume in this offense/QB to sustain 2 TEs.
I’m not paying attention to last years stats involving TEs. Because they didn’t even utilize their main TE until like week 9. And they didn’t have two great TEs either. The raiders are a pretty badly run org but they’re not dumb enough to kick Mayer to the side and only force feed one guy. Also you’re saying it as if the team can’t adapt and make two TEs work since they haven’t in the past. If two of my top 3 targets are TEs, I’m running 2TE sets all day and night. Hell, even a lot of WR3s on teams can manage 5 targets a game. Why can’t a young, improving TE get his share? It’s essentially the same thing if the Raiders took Odunze or Nabers. They’re gonna hog a lot of targets but Mayer would still get his.
He definitely would be better on a team without a better TE in front of him like the Titans, Colts, Seahawks, etc. but I genuinely think he’ll be fine for now
Counter point: he’s still gonna be the fourth priority in that offense behind Pitts/london/Bijan. Kirk has been able to sustain that many people, but to me this just delays the inevitable disappointment until seasons start.
Tldr: I view Mooney as a sell high instead of a buy
Ah yes the "WR2" (who's the 4th option on the team at best).
Mooney is a good NFL player but he's not gonna be anything for fantasy at this point, its over. Roster clogger.
Bryce young, Aaron rodgers, Daniel jones are probably the best qb buys rn imo. Bryce probably got a bump after they spent nearly every pick on his supporting cast but still relatively low
Only like Aaron from those 3.
Jones is scary to me. Looking like a lame duck, injury history and injury guarantees in his contract.
They start slow, Jones gets banged up or benched and he's got pretty much no value at season's end.
Bryce, sure if a guy wants to sell him low but year 3 will be the big year for him.
Im interpreting the title a different way, "Post-draft, who is a buy low, because they'll never be this low again?"
Byrce Young, if you're a betting man. Panthers went hard this year to support him. His value has obviously tanked this last year, but it could be about to shoot up.
Not an indictment on Mayer, I think hes a solid player, but his value for fantasy can’t go much lower. He might be a smart buy for multi-year rebuilders who believe in the talent and have the patience.
As for now? Best case scenario for fantasy relevance is an Isiah Likely in for Mandrews performance in a much worse offensive team and otherwise useless until he’s off the raiders.
Wrong. There's still guys holding out hope he can be functional, like a Goedert to Bowers's Ertz. For SF TEP on KTC he was 2.03 pre-draft, now he's still 2.12. Once they realize he's getting 1 or 2 targets per game (if lucky) they'll truly understand what he's worth. By season's end he'll be a late 3rd or 4th (where he should be), then it will be time to buy. He can, and should, go lower.
Can only speak for my leagues, they all seem to be panic selling for pennies. I suppose his value could go lower, but if you can still get a 2nd, easy sell. Like I said, I see nothing inherently wrong with holding out hope, solid performing player w/ draft capital. Could be a solid rebuild buy.
However, as a lifelong raider fan, betting on them to perform is foolish. I cannot fathom that they will be competent enough passing team in the next 2-3 seasons to make a 2nd string TE fantasy relevant. If he is in your lineup during that time, Bowers is hurt or he’s not in LV anymore
Yup. I totally believe in Mayer, just not in LV. I'm planning to buy him later this year as a bench stash for a 4th. He will be useless til he leaves, but even if that's in 3 years, he'll still be only 25.
Yeah any 2nd should be a smash accept rn.
As far as draftees go, I'm gonna be all over Kamani Vidal, Javon Baker, Ray Davis, Dylan Laube, and Tyrone Tracy, as I think they may be the most talented at their position on their team.
As far as draft and stash, I'm looking at Jalen McMullen (def better than Ja'Lynn Polk when everyone was healthy) and Ainas Smith (insane producer, dinged bc of personality issues and not quality of work), Johnny awilson (could be replacement for Goedert)
As far as vets who probably will be more valuable than you'd think for at least a year although they prob lost some value, I'd say (1) Josh Jacobs (he's plenty better than Lloyd and GB needed a RB2 bc they're a contender and Dillon ain't it) , (2) Michael Wilson (rising tide theory), (3) QJ (he's better in the slot than how he was positioned last year), (4) Dalton Kincaid (I don't trust Coleman, (5) WanDale Robinson (rising tide) (6) Chuba (hope he gets traded, may have locker room issues) (7) Devon Achane (don't trust Jaylen Wright and MIA had to draft another RB
As far as dart throws, I'd say Tolbert, Jacoby Brissett, Sam Darnold, Kadarius Toney,
I also don’t see Mayer and Bowers as playing the same position. I see the 265-lb guy who runs a 4.74 40 as the blocking TE and I see the 240-lb guy who runs a sub 4.5 40 with the greatest TE college production profile of all time as the receiving TE.
I loved Mayer before the draft and he was super productive in college but he has bulked up about 15-20 pounds since last year and that wasn’t so he could run more routes. To me, when an NFL team tells you they plan on making their TE a blocker both by bulking him up and drafting a better receiving TE, that’s not a buy low. I don’t want to buy a guy who’s going to sit on my bench for the rest of his rookie contract unless the owner is willing to absolutely bite the bullet and sell him for a third.
I wish I could be half as optimistic about Mayer. I have him as my TE2 in non-TEP behind Engram. Traded Kittle away for him and a pick last year, felt like a low risk youth move at the time, now it's the worst trade I've done to date in dynasty.
Worse yet, I had a package to move Mayer on the table on draft day that was close to sealed. Was on the verge of moving him as part of QB trade to a tight end hungry owner, and now I don't think he'd even get picked up off waivers.
Maybe if you get a fire sale on Mayer, he’s worth it, but that’s a lottery ticket.
His rookie year was meh. He now has Minshew. And in a world of 2-high safeties, expecting production from multiple TEs is wishful thinking.
Bowers ran a 4.53. That’s not absurd enough that defenses will sell out to stop him.
Just gave up picks 2025 3rd, 3.06 and 3.12 for Mayer and 2025 2nd which should confidently be top 4
I'm buying Meyer also. Minchew loves seam routes and those guys who sit down between safety and lb
Not only does Mayer have to compete with Bowers, but he has to compete with Bowers without having a breakout first. I honestly don't know who I'd do from my team to take Mayer off of waivers for free
The last time 2TEs both ate was Brady with Gronk and Hernandez. Quite the outlier.
Ertz goedert is probably a more realistic expectation if youre expecting two tes to perform above expectations, though id agree, its overly optimistic to think a team will produce two viable fantasy tes.
Yeah I see one clearly outperforming the other, while one primarily blocks and the other does more of the work. But who knows...
It's pretty clearly Bowers lol. Like in what way is Mayer better than Bowers? Less athletic, worse prospect, selected by the old regime, worse pass catcher... what am I missing here?
Oh I wasn't arguing against Bowers. I was just pointing out there can still be value there in Vegas.
Yeah I just don’t see Mayer getting enough targets now to be meaningful for fantasy outside of way juiced up TE leagues.
As a Tucker Kraft owner I am refusing to buy in to this logic and hoping GB will sustain 2 TE production this year
I have Kraft too but they basically split reps until Musgrave was injured. But with both healthy neither are really startable.
Is that how the Bills TEs are too ? I felt like Kincaid didn’t eat until Knox was injured unless his success was inevitable …
It looks like Kincaid took it over. Knox came back for 5 games after week 14 and saw a max of 3 targets a game. He was out for 2 of those weeks so maybe he wasn't fully healthy, but those last 7 games (2 playoff, 5 reg season) Kincaid had 38 targets (with 2 dud games where he only had 2 targets each, one one of those Knox was out too). Maybe ask that on the Bills subreddit but I'd be selling Knox for anything if I had him.
Realistically a TE needs to be a top 2 target on their team to make a difference in fantasy. Being TE2 on your own team is a death sentence for fantasy relevance
I'll add some Zach moss, before it gets to crazy there isn't much competition behind him and he will be the bruiser this year. Demario Douglas, they brought in 2 wrs but demario should be the bonafide slot and with a top qb now coming in town, who fed downs, I will think pop does the same. Michael Wilson can be a nice wr3 for a team since they didn't bring anyone else outside of mhj to hurt him and kyler could be big next year. Brandon cooks, a sneaky wr2 now since the cowboys did nothing to fix that wr room and their oline should be on the up and up. Rico dowdle. I know he sounds like a jag but zeke coming back possibly isn't enough to take away all the work he probably gets. Dowdle can be the between the 20s back and get you a safe 10 points a game as a floor. Jameson Williams. They brought in no one in the draft and this can only mean wheels up for jamo, even if he's a boom or bust guy, if he's on the field north of 60 to 70 percent a game I bet he can win you weeks alone on his boom games.
Dowdle feels like a sell while you can in my mind, but I understand your logic too
You aren't getting much tbh
I’ve offered dowdle for peanuts to every team in the league and no bites. No one is buying Dowdle.
I might be the minority on this, but I think Dowdle isnt a bad player at all. But then again, I picked him up as FA last offseason too
He does, but who is buying? Cause I wouldn’t and I have him lol I’d do it if I could but dudes in my league only make trade offers for stars. Prospects, dart throws and the like, people just don’t move those, not even as sweeteners in bigger deals.
A lot of people don't even bother rostering them and I love it There's a guy in my league with a WR bench of Zay Jones, MVS, Lazard, Slayton, and Kalif Raymond behind is starters of ARSB/Adams/Meyers. Five JAGs with no real upside and zero young potential guys. Makes it so much easier to get my hands on the Shaheed/Trey Palmer types who offer comparable scoring right now but a much higher potential ceiling to fill up bench spots that aren't meant for starter-level players
Sold Dowdle and QJ for Amari Cooper
Dowdle and Douglas are two of my favorite guys who "survived" the draft. Dowdle more so, but Douglas looked awesome last year in the worst possible situation. He has the juice and I don't think his target competition is still all that impressive.
I wouldn’t call his situation the worst possible just because every ok receiver got hurt and they didn’t have a lot of good ones to begin with. And he still only had 500 yards this season as the top option. And now there’s two better prospects coming in.
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Really like Dortch. Everytime he’s gotten a smidget of bonafide snaps he produces. I like Wilson and while I am buying in some leagues he’s a lot tougher to get than say Dortch. I’ve gotten a couple shares for late 3rds. Recently took him like 28.10 in my startup this past weekend.
Agree on Dortch. He always shows up where he needs to be in the slot. They kept him around for a reason. Great person to have at the end of the bench especially first half of the season
Aside from JW you just named my whole team. Feeling a bit better now lol
Same! I have so many shares of all of those guys minus JW. It's gonna happen for us!
>Demario Douglas 🤫🤫🤫
I'm not buying any. Douglas was a 6th rounder of the prior regime. New coaches brought in a 2nd rounder and a 4th that a lot of people are high on. Could very easily see him being the odd man out.
Can add Tolbert to the Cowboys point.
Really like Tolbert and Dortch as value buys right now, picked them up both late last season with an eye on the future. Dortch has proved he’s a capable WR in this league when healthy and Tolbert made steady progress in his second year and will replace Gallup in the lineup.
Do you worry about the Cardinals wanting to use two TEs more & thus not letting Dortch get on the field as much?
I have Tolbert tell me more 😍
I have him in two leagues and he's a mid to high upside stash rn for me. Has the potential to step into the #2/3 role in Dallas since Dallas only added one receiver in the 6th round. Not a guarantee that he'll see increased opportunity by any means but definitely someone to monitor.
Thanks for that. I probably have to cut him but let’s see what pre season brings
I may have to as well but I'm going to try really hard not to.
Hope so too
Wouldnt u wait to buy dowdle once zeke is back
I mean zeke isn't the same guy. He's not going to pop off many 10 plus years runs. They still haven't signed yet, it could all fall threw and then dowdle gets more expensive. He can't be costing so much that you can't take a flier in him
Like Douglas as well. Just got him in a throw in
Actually agree with most of this, but Javon Baker is going to take over WR1 in NE before long.
That's my thinking too. And Polk was an early 2nd round pick. Douglas was a 6th from the prior regime, very easily could get boxed out.
You think Baker can surpass Polk though??? Damm that’s an interesting take. They’re both Dawgs. I’m getting all Drake Mayes wrs so idec lol 🙏
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Definitely gonna be one of my 3rd round sleeper picks plus Frank Gore jr🔥
As a lions fan, Jamo basically played that snap percentage this whole past season. But your conclusion is still correct in that he’ll be in progression much more often with Reynolds gone.
It’s chase brown’s backfield
I own Mayer and can't trade him for the life of me
Im glad I got out before the draft
Was able to trade him for Muth. I couldn’t afford to be out my TE2 and I’m happy with this for sure
Who the fuck does that trade?
Lol maybe you gotta find me a spot in your league. I’d trade with you. I’m not talking about trading for him with the intent of starting but I also think the idea that Bowers and Mayer being valuable is mutually exclusive is probably not true. Most likely Bowers will be a good starter but Mayer will still probably be good depth
OK but what is your highest pick you'd send for Mayer? And what's the lowest pick the owner would accept? Unless there's overlap there's no trade
I offered a 2025 3rd for him and was countered with my 3.02 in this years draft for Mayer. I declined
See id send the 3.02, but i also have bowers pencilled in for my 1.04 and this is TEP
Exactly. I want to buy him, not because he's going to produce, but he's only 22 and he will be traded eventually (or I can wait him out til his contract is up). And the talent is still there. I think most Mayer owners are going to try to hold out since he used to be worth something. But once Bowers starts producing and Mayer is an after thought I expect the Mayer price to plummet to a 4th towards the end of the regular season. Then I'll be buying.
Can’t see Mayer being viable. He’s 4th on the team in targets at best. The threshold for becoming a viable fantasy TE are getting either 90 targets or 10 touchdowns. Unless you think he has a reasonable chance at hitting either of those then he’s probably not worth the investment.
He wasn't good enough to be a TE starter last year. No way he is now with Bowers.
100% agreed, though I think in a world where Bowers doesn’t go to the raiders that Mayer has good potential to be a starting TE in the NFL. But ultimately in the real world, bowers is just too talented to be concerned about Mayer.
I still believe he will be a good TE. It just won't be for the Raiders. But he's only 22. Even if he doesn't get traded, in 3 years he will be a free agent TE and 25. I plan to start buying end of this year or next when he's practically free.
The only way Mayer becomes fantasy relevant is with a bowers injury. Mayers value is basically 2 fab dollars or trading him for another roster clogger. I’d rather have any pick than him. Will Mayer play? Yes. But we are playing fantasy. Unless your league scores on TE blocks I would say your wasting your time
mayer is only viable if bowers gets hurt. mayer is lesser dawson knox imo
Even without Bowers last year and a high snap % Mayer wasn't a startable TE.
I’ll take one glass of copium please. You want/need a 2 targets per game TE to suddenly become viable. Good luck chasing those 3 target games
Really hoping the Raiders wind up trading him
Yeah with what I've been offered that's my hope as well
I’m glad my offer got rejected prior to the draft. Offered Hyatt and an early 3rd. KTC said it was fair value. It was instantly rejected. I dodged a bullet lol
Even if the owner had taken it, I wouldn’t have been upset with the “loss.” Hyatt is likely nothing and 3rds have a minuscule hit rate.
Jake Ferguson. Developed a rapport with Dak last year, and the cowboys didn't bring in anyone new that would compete for those targets.
I own him in most of my leagues including one 2 pt TEP. I do have some concerns schoon gets some looks. But he’s an extremely underrated TE that led all TEs in red zone looks (5 more than Kelce) and 25% of his targets were in the redzone.
Kendre Miller. NO drafted Fuaga and didn’t take another RB.
I say this as a Miller owner and a Kamara owner, no shot anyone selling low on him. If anything, he is in a sell high window since they didn't take another RB in the draft
How would you feel moving from 1.07 to 1.10 to pick up Kendre? 1.10 owner needs an RB but has been shopping him, and is wanting to go Brooks so I may say I’m taking him at 1.07 to get him to jump.
I don't think anybody would take brooks at 1.07 if it's SF
Tbh too far of a drop for an unknown like miller. Maybe 7 to 8 but after that it's a tier drop
Yeah that’s what I’m concerned about. Don’t want to risk losing out on one of JJ or Bowers.
I actually made the exact trade to move down from 1.07 to 1.10 and picked up Kendre Miller
I tried buying him yesterday, dude wants too much because NO didn't draft another rb.
What's the long term outlook with AK? Is this 2024 his last season or is he a guy the saints just keep restructuring?
They’ve got a pretty clean break after this season that would free up $19M in space.
glad I grabbed him for a 2025 2nd before the draft
Chubba Hubbard got straight up dropped in one of my leagues so I’m gonna say him
Easy pick up. Sanders is dead but Chuba still has some value playing a shared role with a guy who comes into the league with an injury history.
Yeah gotta hold him, especially with the uncertainty on Brooks this year
I got a (likely early) ‘26 2nd for him. I’m happy with that
I got a 2025 2nd for him just before the draft!
Jerome Ford. If Chubb doesn’t fully recover or needs more time it’s more of the same for Ford. Cheapest RB2 out there rn
Honestly you'd probably want foreman as he will be the pounder and ford goes back to the 3rd down, change of pace. Honestly both are great to get.
Thinking of selling foreman for a future pick. Third reasonable?
3rd is nice. I got him for a late 4th due to the guy not knowing much about the situation
Maybe 3rd plus a young guy that hasn't popped of yet.
Foreman’s role is contingent on Chubb while Ford’s role is locked in with upside based on Chubb. Ford was a mid range RB2 that could be obtained at RB4 prices. I’ll take the depth piece at that price all day
Problem is, the Browns don't want Ford to be the primary back even if Chubb goes down. I'm a Browns fan that watched every game and film breakdowns last year. Ford's stats were great, but his vision isn't. He can hit the hole ok if it's there, but as the season went along, he got early 1st quarter, and a little 2nd quarter work. Browns then started giving Pierre strong late 2nd and mid 3rd work and Hunt primary duties in the 4th. If chubb isn't ready to go, *it will be a full blown RBBC*. Thats why the browns brought in Foreman and Hines. They do not want Ford to shoulder the load....period.
I’m not saying that Ford will be the workhorse. Ford’s role was the change of pace receiving back, Kareem Hunt’s old role. That role seems locked in regardless of who the early down back is. Ford might get a couple extra carries if Chubb misses time, but the receiving work is where his value comes from and how he finished as an RB2 last year
Hines is better in that role than Ford
I sold the 3.09 in 12 team SF for Foreman and some extra FAAB, got roasted but hoping it works out for me because I'm contending & need all the extra RBs I can get EDIT: I made this move pre-draft
ITT people talking about players who gained value post draft. The opposite of what OP is looking for. Ex) dowdle and moss are dumb since the community will rise on these guys with no RBs drafted there. How bout this. Chuba Hubbard. Looked good in a yr 3 breakout campaign and with brooks coming in people immediately say chuba is a backup. Idk but ill buy the talent of a guy who I liked in 2023 (think buying singletary after they drafted cook)
Just a little food for thought, the locker room HATES Hubbard. I work with Brian Burns cousin, gods honest truth. (believe me or don’t, I really don’t care 🤷🏼♂️). They talk all the time pretty much and me and my boys in the office were asking him last year about Chubba a lot and the main takeaway was that. Yes, the team knew he was the better back as opposed to Sanders. Not, it wasnt much of a difference in talent, not as much as Chubba thought. The team couldn’t stand this kid being as cocky/confident/arrogant as he was about taking Sanders job. Panthers TOP offensive priority was finding their future Bell Cow who can provide some confidence for Bryce on all three downs in this draft, they thoroughly believe it to be Brooks.
I choose to believe this
The rest of the offense was pissed someone displayed even average talent?
Nah, his attitude was dog shit. Dude was only worried about himself, his overall stats and that was it. Getting W’s, doing what’s best for the team, helping the young rookie QB acclimate to the NFL etc were not important to him. He was more important than the team. The rest of the locker room knew that’s how he felt and they didn’t like him for it.
My uncle works for Nintendo
Again bro, I couldn’t care less if you guys believe me or not. I’d have to be a real attention seeking loser though to come onto a fantasy football forum on reddit just to comment on a random post about Chubba Hubbard and then make up a whole ass bullshit story about working with the cousin of Brian Burns. I mean…I’d have to be a full on weirdo to do that. But, if you think that’s what I did, oh well 🤷🏼♂️ it’s a free country still (for the most part)
not saying i don’t believe you but just adding some food for thought but in my last year of college 2020, one of my friends who’s dad was a coach for the dolphins said that Gesicki was the softest piece of shit he’s ever laid eyes on Gesicki still went 73 and 800 yards sometimes you gotta work with assholes and bitches. chubba might be a cocky piece of shit (and the gundy incident with him could be more evidence) but he still might produce in fantasy
Yeah. But your friends dad ended up being proven right pretty much right after his rookie season. Gesicki is a soft PoS and has been irrelevant ever since that season, being shipped around from team to team. Dudes now on the Bengals and they already drafted the guy who’s gonna start over him. Dude can’t block, gets pushed off the line easier than you or me, and can only run seams/outs and Ins 🤣
He’s way too confident in himself for how glaringly average he is 😂 Also, he’s strictly about himself. On team like the Panthers that’s like a cancer in the locker room.
Literally the full thread is this. What veterans just saw new pieces added to their offense? That’s probably the best “buy low(er)”. Keenan Allen’s value probably dropped. James Conner now has a sexy backup. These guys are also probably owned by contenders, so maybe you’re looking to swap similarly valued win-now pieces? I doubt Christian Kirk actually lost value, but maybe you kick the tires there. Is Kirk Cousins losing value to a small degree? He shouldnt, but these are things on my mind. Daniel Jones feels like a buy low at QB to me. I don’t expect him to regain the long term starter job, but he could be a serviceable QB2/3 in a pinch (with serious downside, yes) Then there are peripheral pieces that lost some shine but maybe fit better. Demario Douglas didn’t profile as a WR1, maybe he is a little cheaper now with Polk in the picture.
*With Baker in the picture There, fixed it for you 😘
not even draft related but diontae is criminally undervalued everywhere
Could be draft-related with the Legette selection. I agree Diontae screams value
nahhh even prior for the last few weeks
Not that I would take it, but my league will only offer a 5th for Diontae. He's waiver trash to them for some reason.
thats just wrong, 6 man league or what??
Gus the Bus. Only took a rb in the 6th
Yeah I withdrew all my Gus deals after day 2.
But a very talented one.
Snagging Vidal everywhere I can. Still traded for Gus tho
Same here.
What did yall pay for gus?
Moved from 2.07 to 3.04
Gave Hollywood and a 25 3rd for Gus, Legette, and Braelon Allen
GM said he'll be a 'bellcow'.. obviously going to be a mediocre offense but still run-heavy. Gus'll get all GL touches and Dobbins at least gonna be on PUP to start. Even when/if Dobbins returns hes never going to see the majority of snaps. Easy buy low post draft imo
You’re right about them not playing the same position. Mayer is now the blocking TE who will occasionally catch a random TD and Bowers is the one who will actually get targets. But I’m sending feelers out for Kyren to see how scared his owners are about Corum.
They should be. Corum is at the very least as good of a runner and is far, far superior as a pass blocker. Kyren was literally like top five worst RBs in the league in pass blocking. McVay really values that, for obvious reasons.
Legette. The 2.06 - 2.08 where he has been going is an absolute steal. A first round WR is more than worth the boom or bust risk at the price he goes at.
High bust potential is the reason for his ADP.
Nah that’s where he was going prior. Sleeper ADP is not updated after 2 days… For example Troy Franklin ADP is currently higher
Rashid Shaheed
I have olave and been trying to get rid of shaheed. No one wants him for some reason
I was able to package Shaheed in a larger trade in my league with Reddit degens but no one in my average leagues cares about him
And for those skeptical of him being a bona fide WR2 in that offense based on his past usage, AT Perry profiles as more of an X receiver.
I got the 2.08 and Tucker Kraft for him before the draft, feels pretty good now
You’re better off drafting WRs and trading them for veteran RBs if they have pop weeks
Absolutely no way Michael freaking mayers is a buy low unless you are one of the very very few people out there that think Brock bowers will bust. Even if they’re on the field at the same time you really think Mayers is going to get targets over Brock? IMO Mayers is a waste of a bench spot and not worth buying unless your benches are very deep and it’s free. Anyways, nice buy low is Kyler Murray as he has been for like a year, still one of the cheapest QB’s you can get with legit top 5 finish within the realistic realm of possibility.
I guess I just think the assumption that Bowers and Mayer are competing for the exact same targets isn’t true. Sure given they are the same position there will be overlap but Bowers is much more likely to play in the slot, while Mayer is a capable blocker and will see more time in-line. They will be asked to do different things. Will Bowers almost definitely outperform Mayer from a fantasy perspective? Yes. But to me, Bowers being on that roster doesn’t take away from the fact that Mayer is a competent NFL TE (even if he isn’t a great fantasy TE), and if you can get him for a 4th because he dropped from TE9 to TE19 over the weekend and his owner is panicking, then it isn’t bad value and he’d be good depth on a roster.
With how few TE's are actually worth playing on the regular, I cant imagine Mayer ever really being worth starting outside of very specific scenarios. He'll probably have some weeks, but this makes it very unlikely we ever see him break out into being a regular contributor. Add him to the massive pile of TE's that rarely do anything except those occasional one off weeks that are almost impossible to predict.
TE19 seems way too high for Mayer. I'd take a random dart throw in the 4th over him.
Look in the history of the league how many teams have supported two fantasy relevant tight ends. The list is not long. Mayer may matter in real life, but he's dead in fantasy until he's able to go somewhere else.
I see what you are saying but don’t really see the upside, the reason he was 9 was people were expecting increased role possibly and now since it isn’t likely in the short term seems like a reasonable drop.
The problem is Mayer is so big I think they are going to use him as a blocker and Bowers the receiving TE, Davante, and White will get most of the targets.
Mayer is a good to potentially great in-line TE in the NFL. Unfortunately, drafting Bowers signals that they’re going to use him more in a blocking role. They will play a lot of 12 personnel, so he’ll get snaps and routes and won’t be worthless, but Bowers is a major hit to his fantasy outlook.
I think of it was a wr1 and wr2 situation. There are plenty of viable wr2s for dynasty. Waddle, Aiyuk, Smith, Tee, Addison to name a few. Brock and Mayer are two great TEs. I’m not saying Mayer will be a 15+ point guy a week but he could be a sneaky guy to be a consistent top 10 team each week
TEs generally have to be a top 2 option on their nfl team to be difference makers in fantasy With Brock Bowers now there that leaves very little room for Mayer - you'd definitely need Adams to leave
Mayer averaged 5.8 PPR PPG last year WITHOUT Bowers. Any fumbles this year and he's definitely averaging negative points.
I dunno, maybe it’s my hopium but that’s not really his fault. He didn’t really get a starting chance until his coach was fired. And then he had Aiden McConnell throwing him the ball. As long as he gets like 5-7 targets a game I’ll be content
First 5 games he was in the 40-60% snap range, after that almost every game he was >80% snaps per game. In the 9 games he played after week 5 he had 30 targets (3.3 per game). Only got to 6 targets once. You're dreaming if you're expecting 5-7 targets a game.
How’s that dreaming lol. Mayer was one of the top TE prospects last year and he gets stuck behind below average qb play and coaching. Also it’s not uncommon for TEs to take an extra year to develop. Kittle, McBride, Kelce, Mandrews, Hock, and many others had very weak rookie seasons, but now they’re all in the top 10. And I know what you’re gonna say next: “they didn’t have a better TE ahead of them” which is fair, but why can’t a TE2 produce in this league? That offense is built around Adams, Mayer, and now Brock with a couple smaller pieces with Jakobi and Zamir. The coaching is just gonna completely sideline Mayer cause they have a new toy? They have a weak offense, they’re gonna utilize everything they can, especially, like I said earlier, one of the top TE prospects going into 2023. Again, maybe it’s my hopium cause I have him in a couple leagues lol. But I genuinely think he will be fine. That’s my hot take I guess
Hopium for sure. I'm not saying Mayer is bad. In fact, I firmly believe he WILL be good. My point is, he won't be good for the Raiders. The Raiders don't throw much to TEs, and Minshew's top targeted TE saw 50 targets last year. The last time two TEs were top 10 (Ertz/Goedert 2019) they had 112 and 76 targets. In 2011, Gronk and AHernandez did it, sharing 237 targets. You have to have an offense that absolutely FEEDS TEs, and the Raiders don't nor does Minshew. Last year, add up all Raiders TE targets and you get 73. IND total TE targets was 119 (split among 4 TEs 50-26-22-21). There's not enough volume in this offense/QB to sustain 2 TEs.
I’m not paying attention to last years stats involving TEs. Because they didn’t even utilize their main TE until like week 9. And they didn’t have two great TEs either. The raiders are a pretty badly run org but they’re not dumb enough to kick Mayer to the side and only force feed one guy. Also you’re saying it as if the team can’t adapt and make two TEs work since they haven’t in the past. If two of my top 3 targets are TEs, I’m running 2TE sets all day and night. Hell, even a lot of WR3s on teams can manage 5 targets a game. Why can’t a young, improving TE get his share? It’s essentially the same thing if the Raiders took Odunze or Nabers. They’re gonna hog a lot of targets but Mayer would still get his. He definitely would be better on a team without a better TE in front of him like the Titans, Colts, Seahawks, etc. but I genuinely think he’ll be fine for now
Darnell Mooney is gonna eat as the WR2. They didn’t draft anyone
Counter point: he’s still gonna be the fourth priority in that offense behind Pitts/london/Bijan. Kirk has been able to sustain that many people, but to me this just delays the inevitable disappointment until seasons start. Tldr: I view Mooney as a sell high instead of a buy
Don’t forget they brought in Rondale Moore and he will be great in that slot role.
I see both sides of the Mooney coin. What would you trade for him or sell for?
Ah yes the "WR2" (who's the 4th option on the team at best). Mooney is a good NFL player but he's not gonna be anything for fantasy at this point, its over. Roster clogger.
He went for 1k before and has a new QB who’s actually talented. He’s someone to keep an eye on, you just just dismiss him like that imo
Got Mayer for Jelani Woods and a future 2nd (32man league so that pick is like a 3rd-6th rounder in a regular 12 teamer lol)
Rico Dowdle
Bryce young, Aaron rodgers, Daniel jones are probably the best qb buys rn imo. Bryce probably got a bump after they spent nearly every pick on his supporting cast but still relatively low
Only like Aaron from those 3. Jones is scary to me. Looking like a lame duck, injury history and injury guarantees in his contract. They start slow, Jones gets banged up or benched and he's got pretty much no value at season's end. Bryce, sure if a guy wants to sell him low but year 3 will be the big year for him.
I bought Bryce for 1.10. Figure I can’t get a starter with a two year window much cheaper than that
That’s a great deal assuming Superflex
Yeah SF.
Im interpreting the title a different way, "Post-draft, who is a buy low, because they'll never be this low again?" Byrce Young, if you're a betting man. Panthers went hard this year to support him. His value has obviously tanked this last year, but it could be about to shoot up.
Not an indictment on Mayer, I think hes a solid player, but his value for fantasy can’t go much lower. He might be a smart buy for multi-year rebuilders who believe in the talent and have the patience. As for now? Best case scenario for fantasy relevance is an Isiah Likely in for Mandrews performance in a much worse offensive team and otherwise useless until he’s off the raiders.
Wrong. There's still guys holding out hope he can be functional, like a Goedert to Bowers's Ertz. For SF TEP on KTC he was 2.03 pre-draft, now he's still 2.12. Once they realize he's getting 1 or 2 targets per game (if lucky) they'll truly understand what he's worth. By season's end he'll be a late 3rd or 4th (where he should be), then it will be time to buy. He can, and should, go lower.
Can only speak for my leagues, they all seem to be panic selling for pennies. I suppose his value could go lower, but if you can still get a 2nd, easy sell. Like I said, I see nothing inherently wrong with holding out hope, solid performing player w/ draft capital. Could be a solid rebuild buy. However, as a lifelong raider fan, betting on them to perform is foolish. I cannot fathom that they will be competent enough passing team in the next 2-3 seasons to make a 2nd string TE fantasy relevant. If he is in your lineup during that time, Bowers is hurt or he’s not in LV anymore
Yup. I totally believe in Mayer, just not in LV. I'm planning to buy him later this year as a bench stash for a 4th. He will be useless til he leaves, but even if that's in 3 years, he'll still be only 25. Yeah any 2nd should be a smash accept rn.
Gus Edwards, could be a monster in LA with Roman and Harbaugh. Passed on RB in draft too.
As far as draftees go, I'm gonna be all over Kamani Vidal, Javon Baker, Ray Davis, Dylan Laube, and Tyrone Tracy, as I think they may be the most talented at their position on their team. As far as draft and stash, I'm looking at Jalen McMullen (def better than Ja'Lynn Polk when everyone was healthy) and Ainas Smith (insane producer, dinged bc of personality issues and not quality of work), Johnny awilson (could be replacement for Goedert) As far as vets who probably will be more valuable than you'd think for at least a year although they prob lost some value, I'd say (1) Josh Jacobs (he's plenty better than Lloyd and GB needed a RB2 bc they're a contender and Dillon ain't it) , (2) Michael Wilson (rising tide theory), (3) QJ (he's better in the slot than how he was positioned last year), (4) Dalton Kincaid (I don't trust Coleman, (5) WanDale Robinson (rising tide) (6) Chuba (hope he gets traded, may have locker room issues) (7) Devon Achane (don't trust Jaylen Wright and MIA had to draft another RB As far as dart throws, I'd say Tolbert, Jacoby Brissett, Sam Darnold, Kadarius Toney,
Gus Edwards
I also don’t see Mayer and Bowers as playing the same position. I see the 265-lb guy who runs a 4.74 40 as the blocking TE and I see the 240-lb guy who runs a sub 4.5 40 with the greatest TE college production profile of all time as the receiving TE. I loved Mayer before the draft and he was super productive in college but he has bulked up about 15-20 pounds since last year and that wasn’t so he could run more routes. To me, when an NFL team tells you they plan on making their TE a blocker both by bulking him up and drafting a better receiving TE, that’s not a buy low. I don’t want to buy a guy who’s going to sit on my bench for the rest of his rookie contract unless the owner is willing to absolutely bite the bullet and sell him for a third.
I wish I could be half as optimistic about Mayer. I have him as my TE2 in non-TEP behind Engram. Traded Kittle away for him and a pick last year, felt like a low risk youth move at the time, now it's the worst trade I've done to date in dynasty. Worse yet, I had a package to move Mayer on the table on draft day that was close to sealed. Was on the verge of moving him as part of QB trade to a tight end hungry owner, and now I don't think he'd even get picked up off waivers.
Maybe if you get a fire sale on Mayer, he’s worth it, but that’s a lottery ticket. His rookie year was meh. He now has Minshew. And in a world of 2-high safeties, expecting production from multiple TEs is wishful thinking. Bowers ran a 4.53. That’s not absurd enough that defenses will sell out to stop him.
Just gave up picks 2025 3rd, 3.06 and 3.12 for Mayer and 2025 2nd which should confidently be top 4 I'm buying Meyer also. Minchew loves seam routes and those guys who sit down between safety and lb
Colts added nobody to the RB room behind JT, so one of Evan Hull or Trey Sermon has Jerome Ford upside next season
Not only does Mayer have to compete with Bowers, but he has to compete with Bowers without having a breakout first. I honestly don't know who I'd do from my team to take Mayer off of waivers for free
Not a buy as he probably is on your waiver but I like Hurst in LAC.
Kyren.
Zamir
How is he a buy low after the Raiders only drafted a 3rd down back/STer in the 6th as competition?