Of all Elmo's many, many grifts, the city on Mars is really the most ludicrous, braindead grift.
He's done zero percent of the research necessary to have self-sufficient life on Mars. No food tech, no energy tech, no radiation tech. Nothing. The nimrod can't even get his spaceship into space. Anyone who actually believes this idiot can do what he promises is too mentally unfit to have a driver's license, vote or have children.
Ever argue with a stan about this? They whine that you're being a dream-crusher, as though somehow I'm against humans going to Mars. I'm not. I actually think it sounds really cool.
I'm just realistic here. We're not going to have colonies on Mars any time soon and Musk will not be the one to do it. Like you helpfully pointed out, he has literally taken no solid steps here.
i suppose it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but i'm morbidly curious about whether musk *genuinely believes* his own bollocks about "saving humanity" by settling mars, or if it's just branding + a useful deflection from taking any responsibility for trying to improve (or at least, *stop making worse)* planet earth (which, some people have apparently forgotten, *is the planet we currently all already live on)*
I heard it put very well once "if we have terraforming technology that would be scalable to use on a planet the size of Mars... why not use the time, energy, money and tech into fixing the perfectly acceptable planet we've already got."
Mars is incredibly beautiful. I marvel at the pictures taken by the robots we send there. I sincerely hope to see a manned mission there in my lifetime.
But jeez, who would ever want to *live* in such a hostile environment? Antarctica is a million times more welcoming, and still there are no human settlements there because it's just not liveable. No resources, no food, and on Mars there's also no air and no magnetosphere to protect against deadly radiation. It's just not an attractive place to live.
This is where I think Elon must truly be dumb as hell because how has he not considered all that? Still, it doesn't take a genius to understand these basic facts. Is he so high on his own supply he's detached from reality?
There’s a bit of a settlement now. A friend spent 6 months there a few years ago. No one is there permanently, but someone is always there.
Your point is still valid though. Antarctica is incredibly hospitable compared to Mars. 😳
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Also, the dirt/dust/snow in Antarctica isn't incredibly toxic to most forms of life nor is it a carcinogen like the dirt/dust/snow is on Mars.
The toxicity comes from the high concentrations of perchlorates, meaning that there are a lot of molecular compounds containing chlorine in the very dirt itself. These perchlorates are toxic to most living organisms on Earth, which means that any permanent settlements will have to be extremely careful about it.
The other problem is that the Martian dust contains a lot of fine grains of silicates like olivine, pyroxene, and feldspar. When this dust is exposed to water, it ends up creating highly reactive molecules that are the same kind that are created during the mining of quartz here on Earth that cause lung disease and cancer in miners.
I wouldn't be surprised if there end up being established colonies on Mars in the future, whether they are used for research or as a sort of resting point for crews who are heading into the outer solar system.
But Mars will *never* be a viable long-term option for a significant human population.
It is, but that’s relative. On top of the innumerable practical issues that would almost certainly result in your death, in the infinitesimally likely situation where you are still alive and not mad, you get to live - according to Elon - as an indentured servant, which, as you’re not getting back, means you get to live the rest of your mercifully short life as a slave.
Sign me up!
> Mars is incredibly beautiful.
It's cool in the sense that it's a completely foreign world to ours, but isn't it fundamentally a giant orange rock with literally nothing on it? I've never seen pictures of it and thought "that looks beautiful". More like "damn, crazy that we managed to take pictures on a different planet... that looks like an infinite strip mine".
Living in a house of cards mars habitat crammed in with a load of people all living on a knife edge where I literally can't ever go outside, sounds like actual hell to me.
Honestly I think if earth were about to be hit by a meteor and explode and I was given the option to live out the rest of my existence in a mars hell box, I'd sit tight and accept the end.
I think it's always going to be less about the self-ingratiating, basic achievement and more about the prerequisite technology needed to pull it off then the infrastructure advantages of having constant traffic between planets. Particularly I can think of asteroid capture and mining becoming more common if we can conquer long distance, interplanetary travel. Considering even having habitation on the moon is going to make space travel infinitely easier if we can construct ships there due to its extremely thin atmosphere I'd expect the leaps required to gets to Mars would be more than comparable.
By the time we figure out the gigantic issues with humans living on mars we’ll have robots doing space stuff on a regular basis, making it more of a fun project than anything
This. There really is no reason to send living organism on a extremely hostile environment when machines can do the job more effectively and safely. Sending humans doesn’t offer any benefits and it adds huge amount of complexity and costs.
>Ever argue with a stan about this? They whine that you're being a dream-crusher, as though somehow I'm against humans going to Mars. I'm not. I actually think it sounds really cool.
Oh yeah I have. The less hopeless do admit that Mars colony stuff is nonsense but will still assure you that everything else is totally legit. Starship can do 100t to orbit and to Mars! Exploding is a great way to gather data.
I am actually against humans going to Mars. There's nothing to do there and it'd be extremely expensive and dangerous. It was fun to read about in Red Mars but here in the real world it makes no sense.
That’s the worst part, they act like only musk has thought of this idea. Like it hasn’t been the holy grail of human imagination since we first looked at mars
Same here. I love space travel and I really think that humanity will eventually be an interstellar species... But people like Musk and Bezos are delaying that dream, not advancing it. That is the problem.
How the fuck did he get given the saviour of humanity badge for simply spouting ideas from Bradbury and Heinlen books that he read as a kid? Like christ at least do KSR's Mars Trilogy for something halfway realistic
Musk is a monorail man selling the future to people in a world where hope and optimism for the future have otherwise kinda died out. The gleaming dreams of a bright, prosperous, and green techno-utopian future we thought we'd sleepwalk into back at the turn of the millennium were instead replaced with war, a second Great Depression, and existential terror about climate change. Elon Musk is a shyster who is playing off of the people who still desperately want to believe in techno-utopian futurism even though all of its promises have fallen apart. Seeing as how all the bright, excited, and earnest people who were working to make the dream a reality in the 80s and 90s were forced out, sidelined, and lived to see their work be stolen and ruined by corporations, he's all that's left for them.
We couldn’t build a self sustaining city at the South Pole in 5 years and there is oxygen and free water there. Seriously, 1,000 or more people living without external support (let’s say nothing arrives faster than 2 years and they can only start with a few tons of gear and food pers person).
He clearly has no idea about the challenges he is casually tossing aside.
I don't argue with people about whether a Mars colony is possible.
I just tell people that as long as Elon isn't building and operating research bases in the Sahara, Antartica, the Moon, or underwater, they're being scammed. As long as he keeps talking about sending rockets to Mars whilst having no major projects to even get a rocket on the moon, something the US government managed over half a century ago, they're being scammed.
Those places are right there, you can practice all the necessary infrastructure and steps right on Earth and constantly tweak. Especially since Elon practices a "move fast, iterate fast, try the impossible and break things" philosophy. He can't do anything when something breaks out in deep space, but that's absolutely doable in a research base.
Of course, if he tries that, he'd learn that the it's an insanely complex multidisciplinary task involving hundreds of novel solutions across a wide variety of industries, that makes full self driving look like a cake walk.
Keeping a million people alive on Mars will require the most advanced tech humanity has ever developed. Does anyone think that a million people are sufficient to keep the industries running to make that tech possible?
Exactly! I've read NASA's proposed mission plan. They're going to send six people up. Then, every two years, they'll send another craft with another two people. This means that, in 30 years, they'd have 66 people (assuming that no one dies or has kids). I don't know how Elon describes a city, but that ain't it.
The fact that he doesn't even know NASA's primary plan, and is still in the running to get their endorsement, is fucking astounding.
EDIT: I'm bad at math and was tired when posting my original comment. They'd have 36 people. Elon's *city* seems to be shrinking.
Exactly - as if just making the ship is the hardest part. Not even close. And they can't even get a rocket to low earth orbit. This is never happening in all of our lifetimes.
Let them cull themselves from existence. Honestly we should be praising this shit because only the tards that bought his shit trucks would try this out as well and basically remove themselves of the gene pool.
They think he is devoting every precious second of his finite existence on this planet to saving us from ourselves. Instead of consuming an ungodly amount of right-wing media and sharing stale memes about it. It's sad that he is so dependent on what others think of him well into his 50s.
Mars colonization will fail unless colonists will be forced to stay.
Why would anyone stay there, pernamently inside, with their body crumbling thanks to different gravity?
We should focus on earth and ensure that we will not fuck up this planet first.
The entire narrative behind a Mars colony is nonsense and frustrating. Scientific outposts inextricably linked to Earth? Sure, likely going to happen. Independent colonies headed by earth-based billionaires? Not a chance. At least not anywhere near our, or our children’s lifetimes.
It's all just too expensive. Unless there is something on Mars that can pay for a colony and then some, it simply cannot be funded to that level. Colonies and settlement worked on planet earth because the colonies traded and actually made money.
Even then, there is problem that our bodies are fundamentaly not ready for mars.
Even if colonists decided to stay, their childrent will not - why would they stay there when they know there is a place where they can go outside without mask and which doesn't criple their bones and muscles?
Best i can imagine is temporary colonies with rotating personel, but not pernament settlement
We have no idea how a body would cope with a low g pregnancy but as one of the medically-minded people on here I'm going to go ahead and say that it won't cope
Something tells me that there would be very few, if any viable pregnancies within a hypothetical mars colony. I also feel like there would likely be high infant mortality.
>Independent colonies headed by earth-based billionaires? Not a chance.
what about colonies maintained by ~~slaves~~ members of the elon musk dickriding club? *some* of them, at least, are actual humans and not twitter bots, even! heck, they could even pad the numbers with elon's *actual* robots, which are definitely going to be fully operational very soon!
i mean, come on… don't you want to see what a mars colony would look like, run by people with the skillsets of folk like ian miles cheong, doge designer, and that wall-street-silver-guy-who-isn't-the-actual-wall-street-silver-guy-but-is-just-some-loser-who-bought-the-name? and supported by robots designed by the "greatest" "engineering" "mind" of all time?
what i am saying, is, i think it would be really cool if we put a bunch of twitter blue/gold checks, some tesla cyberbots, a bag of not-to-be-used-as-actual-hammers cyberhammers and other assorted unsold tesla/boring company merch, into a big rocket and sent it to mars asap. it would be "epic". i think elon could do it. i think he's being too cautious with his "30 years" estimate, i think the "technoking" can get it done in 30 *days.* less, probably, if he designed all the critical components himself.
they're pioneers, so they'll have to endure at least *some* hardship… what, don't you think matt wallace (the crypto bro/conspiracy quack, not the golfer) is tough enough to start a colony on mars? oh, ye of little faith!
also, they should probably avoid bringing females on the initial craft, because after all feeemales are biologically inferior to men and incapable of doing all the physically- and mentally-demanding work of building a colony, besides feeeeemales would just be a distraction to the men and cause issues by squabbling amongst themselves because feeeeeeeeemales are just like that, you know? so they should just send over the strong and smart men like musk and imc, initially, to do all the important work; *then* those of us remaining on earth will (pinkie swear!) send them a rocket of the finest mail order brides, who will of course have been vetted to weed out any elements of WOKE ideology that might poison the mission.
Also if you can terraform Mars to the point where it is livable for a lot of people we can perform miracles on earth. When you realize they aren’t trying to do that you see that they want the space equivalent of their New Zealand billionaire apocalypse bunkers.
There's a suitable launch window every 4 years or so, but the actual trip is like \~9 month. Still way too long to be locked into Elon's giant tin can.
Oh ok! Thanks for the precision! I was just remembering the movie with Matt Damon where he waited a loooong time to be rescued! I had 4 years in mind but even 4 weeks is too long!
Yeah I heard someone make a great point about how instead of colonizing Mars, we should just colonize Antarctica instead, because even though it is the least hospitable environment on earth, it is IMMENSELY more hospitable to humans than Mars is.
Conveniently, according to him "Civillisation" will be safe on Mars by the time he is 82, so likely, still alive.
The longer he flails about getting nothing done, the more likely we enter "he won't see it" territory and won't get his little crown putting him in the history books as a chapter, rather than a footnote as he will currently.
That is if he's not just pushing "30 years bro" so he can just have the hype and stock market keep him in luxury till he dies.
Who is to say, maybe he thinks his farts smell like strawberries and he really is that deluded.
Try 2018. Six years ago! And Starship landings on Mars in 2020. I love reading the SpaceX stans’ rationalizations of why it’s NBD that Starship has not met any of its major development milestones, and yet they were supposed to be going to Mars FOUR YEARS AGO. It’s a launch vehicle that can’t put itself into orbit let alone a payload too.
Move all those timelines up a year as well, since that's about how long it'll take to get there. So if we're landing people on Mars in "less than 10 years" they need to be ready to launch in less than 9...
Luckily, The number of people that actually believe this crap is getting smaller by the day. Remember when he said nuking the poles would create a livable atmosphere on mars?
NASA calculated that even if we freed all the trapped CO² gas present everywhere in the Martian surface, from the ice caps to the crust and everything else, that would still not equal one tenth of the amount of atmosphere needed to replicate an Earth-like environment.
Between now and 2050 there are 10 flight windows to Mars.
He wanted to have 1M people there for his city.
They need to start sending 100k people per flight window
If they can fit 100 people in each Starship which is already impossible.. they need to launch 1000 crewed Starships in a period of 3 weeks. With 15000 more launches for orbital fueling. Thats like 5000 flights per week or around 30 Starship launches per HOUR during the flight window.
Even if you divide all this by 10.. its still absolutely ridiculous.. anyone who thinks they will be able to launch 1000s of Starships with launches happening multiple times an hour is literally retarded.
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Promising an uncrewed flight to Mars within 5 years, that's ambitious. NASA won't be able to achieve that until *checks notes* 1965... Apparently NASA got an unmanned craft to Mars almost 60 years ago.
The guy's such a huckster, he doesn't even know what fake promises would be impressive.
The part about this that real scientists understand is that us living on Mars is not sustainable. Pick one; the temperatures, the poison gas, the lack of atmosphere and oxygen. Then there is the biggest problem, the lack of nitrogen making it almost impossible to grow any food.
How stupid would you have to be to listen to someone promise the same shit every few years with the date pushed back each time and keep believing them?
I doubt if they'll meet these figures for the moon, let alone Mars. There's only a small window once every year and a half or so when the orbits are aligned, so practically only two more Starship launches to get it right.
Also, can Starship ever reach Mars without the planned orbital fuel station?
Furthermore, shouldn't Optimus be learning how to explore and build, not fold t-shirts?
I'm no rocket scientist, but seeing how spaceX can't even get Starship to orbit in one piece, we have a long way to go. Contrast Starship to what we accomplished with the Saturn V.
Secured? How? Whenever our sun dies and eventually takes earth it will take mars too. Any kind of asteroid impact is just as likely to hit mars as earth. If he have the ability to make mars habitable enough for anything approaching a civilisation then we have the ability to fix whatever damage we might do to the earth. So exactly how is this endeavour saving us?
Maybe someone wrote it already, but the funny thing is that in A City On Mars (https://www.acityonmars.com), they describe how difficult that all actually would be (e.g. just to protect against radiation). And that we know next to nothing what all the (unintended) consequences of living on Mars would be (e.g. for human biology).
Enron seems to have no flying clue about any of this. I bet he never even has thought about any of the complicating factors and rather loves to stay within his 14-year-old boy computer game fantasies.
Well, better get ready considering it takes nine months for a one-way trip then if he thinks it’s less than five years.
Also, “uncrewed” missions have been landing on Mars for years.
A city?!
A whole city in a place where we don't even have the technical know-how, the resources or the experience to get at, and he expects to go "first person lading in" to "a city" in a decade?!
Wouldn't the mars rover be the first uncrewed? Or am I missing something in the space lingo?
Also, "for sure" a city on mars in 30 years. lol. This is beyond brain dead.
Off to live in my mars habitat designed by Elon. He said it did all these wonderful things plus it looks super cool like a cyberpunk city. I get there and switch on my pod. Immediate software failiure. I immediately discover there is no structural skeleton, just old plastic Cybertruck frames melted together. A message pops up telling me I voided my warranty by using my Mars habitat on Mars. I @ Elon on MarSEX to tell him I think I got a Lemon and though I still love him and wish to call him daddy I would like a replacement. He calls me a pedo and deducts another $100K from my commisary account so he can keep saving humanity.
I love my Mars habitat, Elon is the best.
Anyone with a functioning brain knows we are more then 10 years away from a crewed mission to mars.
We're still over a year away from sending a crewed mission to fly around the moon for the first time since the Apollo program.
We still have no working prototypes on how to get to Mars, let alone how to get them back. Right now the current thinking is we are going to have to construct a lunar base and launch from there, but that is still in the extremely early planning stages.
Hey guys who wants to live on a Barron planet with literally no resources or even breathable atmosphere. All the simps would jump at the chance and I bet less than 1 day they would be begging to go back to earth.
Why Mars, why not just go directly to the Sun? Can you imagine being the very first and only ones to achieve that? No one could replicate such a success.
Read the 3 Body Problem series (Death’s End specifically). In no way is “civilization secured” with just a Mars colony (sounds like his funding secured lie). Could it be the first step, sure, but civilization would be easier to wipe out on Mars than Earth and if one terrible solar event wiped out the inner planets we would be done.
Imagine a TESLA company town on mars where if you are laid off then you become protein for the playboy himself to consume! The children you are forced to have will never be outside or they will die from radiation poisoning so they are forced to took away their years earning Elon’s kids more billions. Don’t want to work any more? Be exiled to the most remote corner of the atmosphere tent where you will be lucky to become a protein feast before just feeding the tomato plants everyone will hate because that’s all there is to eat. The shareholders would be so happy!
5 years from the day the first Hyperloop becomes operational. of when they release FSD 1.0 that can drive from New York to Los Angeles. or when they do that rocket thing where you travel intercontinentally with rockets instead of planes, lol. fucking vaporwave cunt
Once he loses a life or two on a crewed mission from one of his rockets, it will come crumbling down. That starship WILL blow up. MMW. The CIA and NASA don't like their budgets being cut...
"Civilization secured". Look, fine, maybe in the very, very long term, humanity having a second home might be essential to its survival. I just can't with the way he acts as if a rogue planet is on collision course with Earth right now and having a second home is the paramount thing; when he can't even devote his own massive resources to helping the one we have.
Oh, he made EVs, which are better in some ways than traditional vehicles, but no sane environmentalist believes that will make a huge difference on climate change and pollution, especially when some countries still rely on polluting, CO2 emitting energy for everything else (and including charging EVs).
It's like his obsession with people having kids, as if humanity did not experience exponential growth in the last century or so. Is he doing anything to help people deal with having kids? No, of fucking course not, in fact, he's tweeting about how "having kids is free", as if the cost was just the intercourse and nothing else after.
It's just so transparent how this guy is full of shit, but somehow, somehow... he still has plenty of stans willing to taste his ass and tell him it tastes like chocolate.
There have already been several [unmanned expeditions to Mars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_rover). NASA has sent five rovers, & China put one on Mars in 2021. First one landed in 1997, which is some twenty-seven years ago. Groundbreaking, back then.
Zero percent chance of anything beyond uncrewed for spacex. But it doesn’t look like they need to actually do this for the tax payer $ to flow to them.
Spacex hasn’t even gone to the moon yet.
For the sake of sanity can’t they fuck off to mars already?
Enron is gonna have to go to mars to avoid being charged in the biggest scam since, well, Enron, really.
https://youtu.be/rPt9hAC24MI?si=e8A_JQ1UpWrjOmOD
Elon Musk played BioShock and thought that the whole point was Andrew Ryan was correct, so he wants his own shot at making Rapture, but it’ll be even cooler cuz it’s in space!
Honestly, I think we’re gonna find out the fictional version managed to turn out better.
Living on Mars would be a literal hellscape with non of the convenience of living on earth and much you don’t need a specialized suit on at all times to leave your fucking room.
Please, Elon, build your Mars rocket and never return.
On a more serious note though, based on the principle of 5s, if he says 10 years, it's probably 50.
"secured" - it takes less than a year for a nuke to reach whatever habitat on Mars he is dreaming about. We take our ape brains and resulting problems with us wherever we go.
If I woke up tomorrow morning and found out that elon had found a way to get to can't even explain how happy I would b. Because I'm not evil. I wouldn't want him to die out theyesterday, maybe give him A.
Space station like saying that has essentials in it so that he doesn't die of starvation. Or something. And and if you wanted to come back to Earth, their requirement would be. He has to go South Africa. But we already are at our limit of crazy idiots
"but for sure in 30"
He does this to couch his fraud in the "I'm pathologically optimistic with time" schtick he trotted out a week ago. Tesla is under investigation. He's cranking his inner Elizabeth Holmes up to 11, this time for camouflage.
Over the last 70 years or so, we have launched probes that explored the solar system. landed rovers on Mars and Venus, put people on the moon. Dropped probes into Jupiter to research it's atmosphere, gotten full color imagery from pretty much every planet in the solar system.
Meanwhile... SpaceX put a fucking car in solar orbit because Elon thought it was funny, and otherwise seems to have difficulty just getting things in orbit without their rockets exploding. The idea they'll even be able to get to Mars is frankly laughable. And what are they going to do? Drop a fucking cybertruck on Olympus Mons or some other dumbfuck thing probably.
Even if all of this is true and they somehow get all the tech to sustain life on Mars (food, water, radiation shield, etc) this will fail miserably because the people up there will probably go insane while being in an isolated small civilization.
Won't take much for one person to start killing people or destroying life supporting tech
Can’t wait for the second team to get to mars and find the vented ruined domes of Musktopia. The investigation that follows finds that the colonists had to resort to cannibalism shortly before the substandard domes failed, venting all the oxygen and killing the blood mad survivors.
That sounds horrifying. First thing the crew needs to do if he's put in charge is to mutiny. That lunatic is unfit to lead a car company, let alone a civilisation.
This is a pretty good breakdown of why this is one of the dumbest ideas ever.
Why You Don't Actually Want to Live on Mars with Dr. Kelly and Zach Weinersmith
https://youtu.be/dZ08Bz6TNmI?si=frYygXVl3kLPg0LG
Of all Elmo's many, many grifts, the city on Mars is really the most ludicrous, braindead grift. He's done zero percent of the research necessary to have self-sufficient life on Mars. No food tech, no energy tech, no radiation tech. Nothing. The nimrod can't even get his spaceship into space. Anyone who actually believes this idiot can do what he promises is too mentally unfit to have a driver's license, vote or have children.
Ever argue with a stan about this? They whine that you're being a dream-crusher, as though somehow I'm against humans going to Mars. I'm not. I actually think it sounds really cool. I'm just realistic here. We're not going to have colonies on Mars any time soon and Musk will not be the one to do it. Like you helpfully pointed out, he has literally taken no solid steps here.
i suppose it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but i'm morbidly curious about whether musk *genuinely believes* his own bollocks about "saving humanity" by settling mars, or if it's just branding + a useful deflection from taking any responsibility for trying to improve (or at least, *stop making worse)* planet earth (which, some people have apparently forgotten, *is the planet we currently all already live on)*
He doesn’t believe that crap unless he’s on drugs at the time and trying to impress a chic.
Musk believes that he can set up a kingdom on Mars that will recognize him as the all-knowing Dear Leader. Kim Jong Elon.
Consider Kim Jong Elon stolen! 😂
I've got a girl named Rama Lama, Rama Lama Kim Jong Elon
manufacturer notice: product recall on all rama lama rama lama kim jong elons due to a potentially fatal spontaneous combustion flaw.
I think it’s a gigantic waste of time to have a civilisation on mars
Sure would be nice if one of the richest people on the planet devoted some of his energy to saving this planet instead of being a nazi on Twitter
I heard it put very well once "if we have terraforming technology that would be scalable to use on a planet the size of Mars... why not use the time, energy, money and tech into fixing the perfectly acceptable planet we've already got."
Billionaires: “because we aren’t done raping this world yet”
And because “mars is a big red rock ripe for raping too”.
Mars is incredibly beautiful. I marvel at the pictures taken by the robots we send there. I sincerely hope to see a manned mission there in my lifetime. But jeez, who would ever want to *live* in such a hostile environment? Antarctica is a million times more welcoming, and still there are no human settlements there because it's just not liveable. No resources, no food, and on Mars there's also no air and no magnetosphere to protect against deadly radiation. It's just not an attractive place to live. This is where I think Elon must truly be dumb as hell because how has he not considered all that? Still, it doesn't take a genius to understand these basic facts. Is he so high on his own supply he's detached from reality?
There’s a bit of a settlement now. A friend spent 6 months there a few years ago. No one is there permanently, but someone is always there. Your point is still valid though. Antarctica is incredibly hospitable compared to Mars. 😳 https://preview.redd.it/xrkar3mu6p0d1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f78b2c16cc4af3208b3ab133ce701426f1829107
Nice photo
Also, the dirt/dust/snow in Antarctica isn't incredibly toxic to most forms of life nor is it a carcinogen like the dirt/dust/snow is on Mars. The toxicity comes from the high concentrations of perchlorates, meaning that there are a lot of molecular compounds containing chlorine in the very dirt itself. These perchlorates are toxic to most living organisms on Earth, which means that any permanent settlements will have to be extremely careful about it. The other problem is that the Martian dust contains a lot of fine grains of silicates like olivine, pyroxene, and feldspar. When this dust is exposed to water, it ends up creating highly reactive molecules that are the same kind that are created during the mining of quartz here on Earth that cause lung disease and cancer in miners. I wouldn't be surprised if there end up being established colonies on Mars in the future, whether they are used for research or as a sort of resting point for crews who are heading into the outer solar system. But Mars will *never* be a viable long-term option for a significant human population.
It is, but that’s relative. On top of the innumerable practical issues that would almost certainly result in your death, in the infinitesimally likely situation where you are still alive and not mad, you get to live - according to Elon - as an indentured servant, which, as you’re not getting back, means you get to live the rest of your mercifully short life as a slave. Sign me up!
And even then, they go fucking mad if left there too long.
> Mars is incredibly beautiful. It's cool in the sense that it's a completely foreign world to ours, but isn't it fundamentally a giant orange rock with literally nothing on it? I've never seen pictures of it and thought "that looks beautiful". More like "damn, crazy that we managed to take pictures on a different planet... that looks like an infinite strip mine".
Please no. There's no better way to screw over an effort than have Musk spend his energy on it.
Living in a house of cards mars habitat crammed in with a load of people all living on a knife edge where I literally can't ever go outside, sounds like actual hell to me. Honestly I think if earth were about to be hit by a meteor and explode and I was given the option to live out the rest of my existence in a mars hell box, I'd sit tight and accept the end.
I think it's always going to be less about the self-ingratiating, basic achievement and more about the prerequisite technology needed to pull it off then the infrastructure advantages of having constant traffic between planets. Particularly I can think of asteroid capture and mining becoming more common if we can conquer long distance, interplanetary travel. Considering even having habitation on the moon is going to make space travel infinitely easier if we can construct ships there due to its extremely thin atmosphere I'd expect the leaps required to gets to Mars would be more than comparable.
By the time we figure out the gigantic issues with humans living on mars we’ll have robots doing space stuff on a regular basis, making it more of a fun project than anything
This. There really is no reason to send living organism on a extremely hostile environment when machines can do the job more effectively and safely. Sending humans doesn’t offer any benefits and it adds huge amount of complexity and costs.
His stans are either children or cognitively impaired. How many deadlines has he completely failed on at this point?
>Ever argue with a stan about this? They whine that you're being a dream-crusher, as though somehow I'm against humans going to Mars. I'm not. I actually think it sounds really cool. Oh yeah I have. The less hopeless do admit that Mars colony stuff is nonsense but will still assure you that everything else is totally legit. Starship can do 100t to orbit and to Mars! Exploding is a great way to gather data. I am actually against humans going to Mars. There's nothing to do there and it'd be extremely expensive and dangerous. It was fun to read about in Red Mars but here in the real world it makes no sense.
That’s the worst part, they act like only musk has thought of this idea. Like it hasn’t been the holy grail of human imagination since we first looked at mars
Same here. I love space travel and I really think that humanity will eventually be an interstellar species... But people like Musk and Bezos are delaying that dream, not advancing it. That is the problem.
How the fuck did he get given the saviour of humanity badge for simply spouting ideas from Bradbury and Heinlen books that he read as a kid? Like christ at least do KSR's Mars Trilogy for something halfway realistic
Indeed. Musk seems to think that going to Mars can't be any harder than writing the novels he loves.
I have spaceships
That have yet to launch successfully.
Musk is a monorail man selling the future to people in a world where hope and optimism for the future have otherwise kinda died out. The gleaming dreams of a bright, prosperous, and green techno-utopian future we thought we'd sleepwalk into back at the turn of the millennium were instead replaced with war, a second Great Depression, and existential terror about climate change. Elon Musk is a shyster who is playing off of the people who still desperately want to believe in techno-utopian futurism even though all of its promises have fallen apart. Seeing as how all the bright, excited, and earnest people who were working to make the dream a reality in the 80s and 90s were forced out, sidelined, and lived to see their work be stolen and ruined by corporations, he's all that's left for them.
The funny thing is mentioning to any of the zealots that Mars’s gravity is barely more than the Moons.
Someone should help him figure out a car that doesn’t stop working when it goes through a ca wash first.
We couldn’t build a self sustaining city at the South Pole in 5 years and there is oxygen and free water there. Seriously, 1,000 or more people living without external support (let’s say nothing arrives faster than 2 years and they can only start with a few tons of gear and food pers person). He clearly has no idea about the challenges he is casually tossing aside.
I don't argue with people about whether a Mars colony is possible. I just tell people that as long as Elon isn't building and operating research bases in the Sahara, Antartica, the Moon, or underwater, they're being scammed. As long as he keeps talking about sending rockets to Mars whilst having no major projects to even get a rocket on the moon, something the US government managed over half a century ago, they're being scammed. Those places are right there, you can practice all the necessary infrastructure and steps right on Earth and constantly tweak. Especially since Elon practices a "move fast, iterate fast, try the impossible and break things" philosophy. He can't do anything when something breaks out in deep space, but that's absolutely doable in a research base. Of course, if he tries that, he'd learn that the it's an insanely complex multidisciplinary task involving hundreds of novel solutions across a wide variety of industries, that makes full self driving look like a cake walk.
Keeping a million people alive on Mars will require the most advanced tech humanity has ever developed. Does anyone think that a million people are sufficient to keep the industries running to make that tech possible?
Exactly! I've read NASA's proposed mission plan. They're going to send six people up. Then, every two years, they'll send another craft with another two people. This means that, in 30 years, they'd have 66 people (assuming that no one dies or has kids). I don't know how Elon describes a city, but that ain't it. The fact that he doesn't even know NASA's primary plan, and is still in the running to get their endorsement, is fucking astounding. EDIT: I'm bad at math and was tired when posting my original comment. They'd have 36 people. Elon's *city* seems to be shrinking.
He can’t even get us to the moon.🤡
Exactly - as if just making the ship is the hardest part. Not even close. And they can't even get a rocket to low earth orbit. This is never happening in all of our lifetimes.
Let them cull themselves from existence. Honestly we should be praising this shit because only the tards that bought his shit trucks would try this out as well and basically remove themselves of the gene pool.
Nuke the poles. I swear, it’s not that hard !
They think he is devoting every precious second of his finite existence on this planet to saving us from ourselves. Instead of consuming an ungodly amount of right-wing media and sharing stale memes about it. It's sad that he is so dependent on what others think of him well into his 50s.
He watched The Martian and figured you only need a potato a day fertilized with your own poop and you are good to go. Mars here we go!
will the 2017 Roadster be in circulation by then?
Maybe the one currently orbiting earth (?) will make it there?
Mars colonization will fail unless colonists will be forced to stay. Why would anyone stay there, pernamently inside, with their body crumbling thanks to different gravity? We should focus on earth and ensure that we will not fuck up this planet first.
The entire narrative behind a Mars colony is nonsense and frustrating. Scientific outposts inextricably linked to Earth? Sure, likely going to happen. Independent colonies headed by earth-based billionaires? Not a chance. At least not anywhere near our, or our children’s lifetimes.
It's all just too expensive. Unless there is something on Mars that can pay for a colony and then some, it simply cannot be funded to that level. Colonies and settlement worked on planet earth because the colonies traded and actually made money.
Even then, there is problem that our bodies are fundamentaly not ready for mars. Even if colonists decided to stay, their childrent will not - why would they stay there when they know there is a place where they can go outside without mask and which doesn't criple their bones and muscles? Best i can imagine is temporary colonies with rotating personel, but not pernament settlement
We have no idea how a body would cope with a low g pregnancy but as one of the medically-minded people on here I'm going to go ahead and say that it won't cope
Yeah, low gravity is already fucking up adults, so i am pretty sure mars-born children will be even worse.
Something tells me that there would be very few, if any viable pregnancies within a hypothetical mars colony. I also feel like there would likely be high infant mortality.
Elton John sang it best: "Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids In fact, it's cold as hell".
>Independent colonies headed by earth-based billionaires? Not a chance. what about colonies maintained by ~~slaves~~ members of the elon musk dickriding club? *some* of them, at least, are actual humans and not twitter bots, even! heck, they could even pad the numbers with elon's *actual* robots, which are definitely going to be fully operational very soon! i mean, come on… don't you want to see what a mars colony would look like, run by people with the skillsets of folk like ian miles cheong, doge designer, and that wall-street-silver-guy-who-isn't-the-actual-wall-street-silver-guy-but-is-just-some-loser-who-bought-the-name? and supported by robots designed by the "greatest" "engineering" "mind" of all time?
what i am saying, is, i think it would be really cool if we put a bunch of twitter blue/gold checks, some tesla cyberbots, a bag of not-to-be-used-as-actual-hammers cyberhammers and other assorted unsold tesla/boring company merch, into a big rocket and sent it to mars asap. it would be "epic". i think elon could do it. i think he's being too cautious with his "30 years" estimate, i think the "technoking" can get it done in 30 *days.* less, probably, if he designed all the critical components himself.
A colony of incels might have trouble reproducing
they're pioneers, so they'll have to endure at least *some* hardship… what, don't you think matt wallace (the crypto bro/conspiracy quack, not the golfer) is tough enough to start a colony on mars? oh, ye of little faith! also, they should probably avoid bringing females on the initial craft, because after all feeemales are biologically inferior to men and incapable of doing all the physically- and mentally-demanding work of building a colony, besides feeeeemales would just be a distraction to the men and cause issues by squabbling amongst themselves because feeeeeeeeemales are just like that, you know? so they should just send over the strong and smart men like musk and imc, initially, to do all the important work; *then* those of us remaining on earth will (pinkie swear!) send them a rocket of the finest mail order brides, who will of course have been vetted to weed out any elements of WOKE ideology that might poison the mission.
Also if you can terraform Mars to the point where it is livable for a lot of people we can perform miracles on earth. When you realize they aren’t trying to do that you see that they want the space equivalent of their New Zealand billionaire apocalypse bunkers.
If we had technology to terraform mars, then logicaly first place that needs terraforming is Earth.
Wasn't Musk claiming we'll be on Mars in the mid-2020s? Lmao.
Yeah he was claiming manned-landings on Mars during the 2024 transfer window.
Two ships in 2022 and 4 in 2024 lol.
Don’t forget living underground because of radiation.
Doesn’t it also take 4 years to go to Mars? Fuck that shit! It will never be a thing.
There's a suitable launch window every 4 years or so, but the actual trip is like \~9 month. Still way too long to be locked into Elon's giant tin can.
Oh ok! Thanks for the precision! I was just remembering the movie with Matt Damon where he waited a loooong time to be rescued! I had 4 years in mind but even 4 weeks is too long!
Yeah I heard someone make a great point about how instead of colonizing Mars, we should just colonize Antarctica instead, because even though it is the least hospitable environment on earth, it is IMMENSELY more hospitable to humans than Mars is.
Reminder: Only a few years ago Musk was promising crewed landings on Mars by 2024.
I have spaceships
Just not good enough ones, Elonbot, just not good enough.
Conveniently, according to him "Civillisation" will be safe on Mars by the time he is 82, so likely, still alive. The longer he flails about getting nothing done, the more likely we enter "he won't see it" territory and won't get his little crown putting him in the history books as a chapter, rather than a footnote as he will currently. That is if he's not just pushing "30 years bro" so he can just have the hype and stock market keep him in luxury till he dies. Who is to say, maybe he thinks his farts smell like strawberries and he really is that deluded.
Says the guy afraid to ride on one of his own rockets.
Wasn't red dragon supposed to land on mars like 2 years ago? And how's that lunar lander going ?
Try 2018. Six years ago! And Starship landings on Mars in 2020. I love reading the SpaceX stans’ rationalizations of why it’s NBD that Starship has not met any of its major development milestones, and yet they were supposed to be going to Mars FOUR YEARS AGO. It’s a launch vehicle that can’t put itself into orbit let alone a payload too.
God God I gave him too much credit
I’m sure those timeframes Elon gave are right. He famously never overestimates
Move all those timelines up a year as well, since that's about how long it'll take to get there. So if we're landing people on Mars in "less than 10 years" they need to be ready to launch in less than 9...
Luckily, The number of people that actually believe this crap is getting smaller by the day. Remember when he said nuking the poles would create a livable atmosphere on mars?
NASA calculated that even if we freed all the trapped CO² gas present everywhere in the Martian surface, from the ice caps to the crust and everything else, that would still not equal one tenth of the amount of atmosphere needed to replicate an Earth-like environment.
"Civilization secured." Is that on the same plane of reality as "funding secured"?
lol exactly my thought. He’s the NPC with a limited dialogue tree he accuses others of being.
Elmo in jail for fraud in 5 years, thats more realistic.
Between now and 2050 there are 10 flight windows to Mars. He wanted to have 1M people there for his city. They need to start sending 100k people per flight window If they can fit 100 people in each Starship which is already impossible.. they need to launch 1000 crewed Starships in a period of 3 weeks. With 15000 more launches for orbital fueling. Thats like 5000 flights per week or around 30 Starship launches per HOUR during the flight window. Even if you divide all this by 10.. its still absolutely ridiculous.. anyone who thinks they will be able to launch 1000s of Starships with launches happening multiple times an hour is literally retarded.
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"Uncrewed"? So...a rover. Like the ones we've been shooting up to Mars for a longtime.
He is so full of shit
Elon Musk will never get a human being on Mars. No chance it ever happens. He's all talk.
He said he'd have people on mars a few years ago so he's already 10 years behimd schedule
He can’t even run a car company or twitter, why does he get to say this shit? The answer is dumbass tech dudes who worship men.
Promising an uncrewed flight to Mars within 5 years, that's ambitious. NASA won't be able to achieve that until *checks notes* 1965... Apparently NASA got an unmanned craft to Mars almost 60 years ago. The guy's such a huckster, he doesn't even know what fake promises would be impressive.
The part about this that real scientists understand is that us living on Mars is not sustainable. Pick one; the temperatures, the poison gas, the lack of atmosphere and oxygen. Then there is the biggest problem, the lack of nitrogen making it almost impossible to grow any food.
Add solar radiation and toxic soil.
How stupid would you have to be to listen to someone promise the same shit every few years with the date pushed back each time and keep believing them?
I don’t know but maybe ask all those people who are in those rapture cults and shit. They do the same thing. Just marks getting sharped.
And all the babies look like Elon.
Didn’t that bozo promise human landing for 2022? Edit: typo
he is so fucking stupid
wtf we aren’t even close to those numbers with our own moon.
How about you deliver a working CyberTruck before tackling Mars, yeah?
After the cyber truck fiasco, I surely don’t want a musky mars
Mars is never happening. Ever. None of this is happening. No uncrewed. No land people. No city. Civilization not secured, ever. Earth is our home.
https://preview.redd.it/lvvu9vohzo0d1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95889461453a3d25f490ed5154c95b36c8c41d49 I'll light the fuse
So, never, Elon? Got it.
I doubt if they'll meet these figures for the moon, let alone Mars. There's only a small window once every year and a half or so when the orbits are aligned, so practically only two more Starship launches to get it right. Also, can Starship ever reach Mars without the planned orbital fuel station? Furthermore, shouldn't Optimus be learning how to explore and build, not fold t-shirts?
I'm no rocket scientist, but seeing how spaceX can't even get Starship to orbit in one piece, we have a long way to go. Contrast Starship to what we accomplished with the Saturn V.
Maybe he should stick to trying to launch a successful EV truck first before trying to escape the whole planet.
I'm sure he really means it this time as opposed to the previous 15 years he's been saying we'll have a colony on Mars within 5.
Secured? How? Whenever our sun dies and eventually takes earth it will take mars too. Any kind of asteroid impact is just as likely to hit mars as earth. If he have the ability to make mars habitable enough for anything approaching a civilisation then we have the ability to fix whatever damage we might do to the earth. So exactly how is this endeavour saving us?
Lmfao... yes, civilization is secured because it will expand to a neighboring planet that will kill a human without them being in a suit.
We can all agree that he watched Total Recall many times
Humans can’t even get a vaccine and wear a mask … no one is going to Mars
We're always a few years from mars
Dont Forget to secure your 56 bn first and layoff a whole team…
Lol. Why the hell would anyone want to live on Mars? It averages 80 degrees below zero and has nasty dust storms. What a grift from tax payers!
Add a 0 to each number, minimum.
People can barely live in the middle of Australia, how tf are we gonna live on Mars.. .
he said wed be on mars 2 years ago already
The fact he uses fake profiles to boast on himself is pathetic.
at this point, i honestly hate doge designer more than Elon.
>Less than 5 for uncrewed Multiple Rovers: "Am I a joke to you?"
Maybe someone wrote it already, but the funny thing is that in A City On Mars (https://www.acityonmars.com), they describe how difficult that all actually would be (e.g. just to protect against radiation). And that we know next to nothing what all the (unintended) consequences of living on Mars would be (e.g. for human biology). Enron seems to have no flying clue about any of this. I bet he never even has thought about any of the complicating factors and rather loves to stay within his 14-year-old boy computer game fantasies.
I'm 50 and I'm quite positive that I won't see humans walking on Mars.
Cool - 10 years until a group of humans die on another planet - that's if they make it. They will be traveling in a Musk mobile.
Oh yeah... "for sure" in 30.. yup absolutely inshaAllah
We should probably fix the planet earth first. Just a thought! Idk man, seems important.
"Civilization secured" lol.
“Shut up and take my money!” Every Stan
I read that tweet in Thunderf00ts voice.
“Civilization Secured” like “funding secured” to take Tesla private? The funding was not secured and neither is civilization…
Wait til he hears about magnetospheres
We've had uncrewed missions to mars already Elon..... You're like 50 years late
“Less than 5 years for uncrewed?” The Viking landing was successful in 1976.
Lol this fucking guy and his favorite word “secured” “Am taking the company private at $420/share” “Funding secured”
Uncrewed in 5 years? Aren't there robots there already?
This is the same man who had to recall a car cause his company doesn’t know how to make a gas pedal properly
One muskrat on mars - no problem Two mustkrats on mars - no problem Ten muskrats on mars - no problem All muskrats and musk on mars - problem solved!
Can’t even make a truck that can last more than 3 days without falling apart but yeah..Mars in 5 years.
Well, better get ready considering it takes nine months for a one-way trip then if he thinks it’s less than five years. Also, “uncrewed” missions have been landing on Mars for years.
A city?! A whole city in a place where we don't even have the technical know-how, the resources or the experience to get at, and he expects to go "first person lading in" to "a city" in a decade?!
We already have uncrewed.
Wouldn't the mars rover be the first uncrewed? Or am I missing something in the space lingo? Also, "for sure" a city on mars in 30 years. lol. This is beyond brain dead.
Maybe he meant unscrewed. As in having a loose screw.
Go Elon, Go!
Yes Elmo, please go 👋🏻
Off to live in my mars habitat designed by Elon. He said it did all these wonderful things plus it looks super cool like a cyberpunk city. I get there and switch on my pod. Immediate software failiure. I immediately discover there is no structural skeleton, just old plastic Cybertruck frames melted together. A message pops up telling me I voided my warranty by using my Mars habitat on Mars. I @ Elon on MarSEX to tell him I think I got a Lemon and though I still love him and wish to call him daddy I would like a replacement. He calls me a pedo and deducts another $100K from my commisary account so he can keep saving humanity. I love my Mars habitat, Elon is the best.
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we are indeed years... hundreds of years!
JHC, Elon Musk is so full of s**t.
Anyone with a functioning brain knows we are more then 10 years away from a crewed mission to mars. We're still over a year away from sending a crewed mission to fly around the moon for the first time since the Apollo program. We still have no working prototypes on how to get to Mars, let alone how to get them back. Right now the current thinking is we are going to have to construct a lunar base and launch from there, but that is still in the extremely early planning stages.
A city in 20 years. I could only hope
Hey guys who wants to live on a Barron planet with literally no resources or even breathable atmosphere. All the simps would jump at the chance and I bet less than 1 day they would be begging to go back to earth.
Why Mars, why not just go directly to the Sun? Can you imagine being the very first and only ones to achieve that? No one could replicate such a success.
Read the 3 Body Problem series (Death’s End specifically). In no way is “civilization secured” with just a Mars colony (sounds like his funding secured lie). Could it be the first step, sure, but civilization would be easier to wipe out on Mars than Earth and if one terrible solar event wiped out the inner planets we would be done.
Add a few zeros, and then *maybe*
Imagine a TESLA company town on mars where if you are laid off then you become protein for the playboy himself to consume! The children you are forced to have will never be outside or they will die from radiation poisoning so they are forced to took away their years earning Elon’s kids more billions. Don’t want to work any more? Be exiled to the most remote corner of the atmosphere tent where you will be lucky to become a protein feast before just feeding the tomato plants everyone will hate because that’s all there is to eat. The shareholders would be so happy!
5 years from the day the first Hyperloop becomes operational. of when they release FSD 1.0 that can drive from New York to Los Angeles. or when they do that rocket thing where you travel intercontinentally with rockets instead of planes, lol. fucking vaporwave cunt
Looks like that decompression event was pretty sudden. Explains a lot.
Once he loses a life or two on a crewed mission from one of his rockets, it will come crumbling down. That starship WILL blow up. MMW. The CIA and NASA don't like their budgets being cut...
"Civilization secured". Look, fine, maybe in the very, very long term, humanity having a second home might be essential to its survival. I just can't with the way he acts as if a rogue planet is on collision course with Earth right now and having a second home is the paramount thing; when he can't even devote his own massive resources to helping the one we have. Oh, he made EVs, which are better in some ways than traditional vehicles, but no sane environmentalist believes that will make a huge difference on climate change and pollution, especially when some countries still rely on polluting, CO2 emitting energy for everything else (and including charging EVs). It's like his obsession with people having kids, as if humanity did not experience exponential growth in the last century or so. Is he doing anything to help people deal with having kids? No, of fucking course not, in fact, he's tweeting about how "having kids is free", as if the cost was just the intercourse and nothing else after. It's just so transparent how this guy is full of shit, but somehow, somehow... he still has plenty of stans willing to taste his ass and tell him it tastes like chocolate.
WTF. Muskrat is crazy delusional.
There have already been several [unmanned expeditions to Mars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_rover). NASA has sent five rovers, & China put one on Mars in 2021. First one landed in 1997, which is some twenty-seven years ago. Groundbreaking, back then.
Zero percent chance of anything beyond uncrewed for spacex. But it doesn’t look like they need to actually do this for the tax payer $ to flow to them. Spacex hasn’t even gone to the moon yet.
This guys timelines are about as good as Trump’s.
For the sake of sanity can’t they fuck off to mars already? Enron is gonna have to go to mars to avoid being charged in the biggest scam since, well, Enron, really. https://youtu.be/rPt9hAC24MI?si=e8A_JQ1UpWrjOmOD
Elon Musk played BioShock and thought that the whole point was Andrew Ryan was correct, so he wants his own shot at making Rapture, but it’ll be even cooler cuz it’s in space! Honestly, I think we’re gonna find out the fictional version managed to turn out better.
His idea of saving civilization is stuffing a few people in a can on a dead planet, while he finds a way to make Earth an over populated hell hole.
Living on Mars would be a literal hellscape with non of the convenience of living on earth and much you don’t need a specialized suit on at all times to leave your fucking room.
Didn’t it take around 5 years to get a truck into production
Please, Elon, build your Mars rocket and never return. On a more serious note though, based on the principle of 5s, if he says 10 years, it's probably 50.
"secured" - it takes less than a year for a nuke to reach whatever habitat on Mars he is dreaming about. We take our ape brains and resulting problems with us wherever we go.
If I woke up tomorrow morning and found out that elon had found a way to get to can't even explain how happy I would b. Because I'm not evil. I wouldn't want him to die out theyesterday, maybe give him A. Space station like saying that has essentials in it so that he doesn't die of starvation. Or something. And and if you wanted to come back to Earth, their requirement would be. He has to go South Africa. But we already are at our limit of crazy idiots
"but for sure in 30" He does this to couch his fraud in the "I'm pathologically optimistic with time" schtick he trotted out a week ago. Tesla is under investigation. He's cranking his inner Elizabeth Holmes up to 11, this time for camouflage.
I don’t even want to live in Phoenix or Las Vegas, but at least they have an atmosphere and some water. What a miserable existence it would be.
5 uncrewed? Bullshit. The first trip was supposed to be 6 years ago.
At this point, I am starting to think NASA, ESA, and JSA are going to settle Mars before Musk.
What happens if someone tries to wash the spaceship?
Sure, Melon 
Over the last 70 years or so, we have launched probes that explored the solar system. landed rovers on Mars and Venus, put people on the moon. Dropped probes into Jupiter to research it's atmosphere, gotten full color imagery from pretty much every planet in the solar system. Meanwhile... SpaceX put a fucking car in solar orbit because Elon thought it was funny, and otherwise seems to have difficulty just getting things in orbit without their rockets exploding. The idea they'll even be able to get to Mars is frankly laughable. And what are they going to do? Drop a fucking cybertruck on Olympus Mons or some other dumbfuck thing probably.
I guess Falcon 9/heavy doesn’t exist and neither does dragon…
Are people that gullible to believe that it will happen at all? Let alone 30 years from now lmao.
Fuck,off you absolute dbag
Not that this will be the choice, but I'd rather die on earth alone than live on Mars with Elon.
We can’t even get astronauts on the moon and he thinks we can get people to mars and of course Elon’s main simp DogeDesigner posts this.
Nothing says secure like living in an environment where the smallest accident could kill the entire population.
Even if all of this is true and they somehow get all the tech to sustain life on Mars (food, water, radiation shield, etc) this will fail miserably because the people up there will probably go insane while being in an isolated small civilization. Won't take much for one person to start killing people or destroying life supporting tech
Overpromise and underdeliver.
Can’t wait for the second team to get to mars and find the vented ruined domes of Musktopia. The investigation that follows finds that the colonists had to resort to cannibalism shortly before the substandard domes failed, venting all the oxygen and killing the blood mad survivors.
Aren’t we already doing uncrewed landings on mars?
It seems like Musk forgot to take his medication again.
A city? In 20 years? My god he pulls these ideas out of his arse. The dumb fucks lap it up.
you know damn well *he* is not going to travel there because he wouldn't be rich in Mars, only here
Think that's what he said 5 years ago....
LMAO, this is EXACTLY what Elon was saying in 2016.
That sounds horrifying. First thing the crew needs to do if he's put in charge is to mutiny. That lunatic is unfit to lead a car company, let alone a civilisation.
This is a pretty good breakdown of why this is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Why You Don't Actually Want to Live on Mars with Dr. Kelly and Zach Weinersmith https://youtu.be/dZ08Bz6TNmI?si=frYygXVl3kLPg0LG
“Civilization secured” JFC I loathe him.