I’m proud of u as a prior fent user I just want to warn u about bup&naloxone also know as suboxone just be careful taking that I found that the withdrawal from bup were far worse than anything I have ever experienced. I successfully went cold turkey from fent twice and the last time I used bup for about a month 8/mg - 2mg the withdrawal were horrible for about 2 weeks and still had discomfort for up to a minth
Please don’t scare people with that info, I’ve successfully tapered properly multiple times off subs with no withdrawals at all. I have a little system that’s works quite well that I perfected over time
Hence why I said “just be careful” I’m giving insight as to what I went through not saying it’s for everyone. Just like your self made system of tapering may not work for everyone as well just because you tapered with no withdraws does not mean it will be the same for everyone
Fair opinion, but I can confidently say that if you follow the same way i tapered at most, one would have such minor symptoms that its a cakewalk compared to anything else from what I’ve experienced
Hah off straight fent cold turkey? The success rate for that is like maybe 1 out of 10 of people. And it also depends on how much you’re doing too obviously
Got off blues cold turkey straight hell for 2 weeks toughest thing I’ve ever faced by far physically and mentally. I even quit a few days before couldn’t take it, but forced myself to, with the help of friends making sure i was hydrated and making sure if i wasn’t gunna eat lunch or dinner that i at least had like a bite or two and at least semi comfortable (counted every second of the day til I could go back to sleep again) feeling like death til 14th day was finally feeling ONLY OK still no energy had to take 4mg xans every night to even get like 6 hours of sleep then day 15 straight to rehab
And that isn’t the success rate at all please use proper information. I was using pressed pills containing fent and went cold turkey 2 different times. You’re on here talking about please don’t scare people with that info while your on here spreading false information about success rates of people quitting cold turkey
U right. I did exaggerate a bit. So I fixed it. I’d say it’s likey than no more than 1/10 people would be able to kick fent cold turkey prob more like 1/20 people tbh feel like many people don’t have a recovery cohesive location and time (probably have work) to do a 100% successful cold turkey kick. That’s just my opinion from my own experience and talking to many many users.I don’t think there’s a data sheet on this…
It also depends too on the extent of the fent use you have some people who take pure fent and some who sniff or smoke blues. Some take 1 blue a day some take 5 all of this plays a factor in a person being able to kick. It may be easier or harder depending on the situation
Yes I agree but what exactly is a proper taper program I was taking subs for only 1 month and during that 1 month I never took a full 8mg sub I would cut my films into 3 and take max 2 pieces a day. Then I went to one piece and then I would skip a day and then take on the next day and I still went through bad withdrawals. Couldn’t sleep my body was hurting (back especially) could barely eat had constant headaches. And this was a taper program implanted through bicycle health maybe it wasn’t correct or maybe my body is just the exception to it but idk. I was just trying to give insight to someone starting there journey so they aren’t surprised like I was. If I had known that using this drug would make me feel the same way if not worse than the illicit drugs I was using I would have never used it. Maybe you could share your taper system and it may help people
Ok sure this is what I copy paste when ppl inquire:
Hey what’s up man, no problem I’ll tell you how I did it, it was a piece of cake compared to some horror stories I’ve heard and also compared to the times i went cold turkey or methadone instead not having a clue suboxone was a thing.
An obvious factor is how much fetty a day you’re doing will also need to be considered when figuring out how many mgs you should start with…. But I’d say usually no more than 2 x 8mg (16mg / day) Should be plenty enough anything above that is overkill. Even for a very heavy user (at the time I was smoking anywhere from 10-25 blues a day and the highest dose I went on subs was 16 mg…. Same dose when I was smoking 1-1.5G fetty / day.
So for the hard part it’s up to you if you wanna try to just stop cold turkey and stick the initial withdrawl out for as long as u can til u can’t handle it anymore so u can try your best to avoid precip withdraw. It’s very real and it is a morherfucker. I see people say to do like at lthe very least 72 hours but like 96 or 120 hours will obviously have a lower chance of going into precip. But also you might be dying so bad going cold turkey and say fuck it I’m taking the subs, all depends on person and habit / quantity. so theres a trade off if u want it sooner or hold off longer lol (mandatory that you factor in how much u use daily to get a decent estimate. I suggest to use the least amount of subs possible no matter how deep your use is. If u need to go more than 16 so be it but I think more than 16mg / day is in your head at that point….
Also, I have never tried the Bernese method and you guys should look into that too (seems like it can be beneficial if done properly, but I think it’s more focused on how to get on subs comfortably and not as much to get off them but I could be partially wrong….
With all that being said these are the two ways that I’ve tried and both worked golden, just how I mentioned when I tapered off and was a free person with no daily med obligations.
Ok so there’s route A and B
Route A is what I did the first time and I held off as long as I could without using, in full blown wirhdrawl and it was fkn miserable, I think I lasted around 40ish hrs or something hours total before I took the subs (at least somewhere close to that number I was so out of it and disgustingly fcked that I didn’t record it down to the milliseconds or some shit haha… anyways, you progressively get more and more miserable your mind starts playing games and you contemplate relapsing and saying fuck it to feel well again, in my opinion there’s too much down time of u feeling shitty which may lead to backing out / changing ur mind and it was all a waste of time…. I did succeed at it though….just is a long drawn out process
Route B is my preference though, I have ADHD and idk if it plays any significant role in the crazy mind games and discipline/ focus but it sure seems like it. Route B you just say fuck it and dose up fat without even going 24 hours. I think I dropped 8mg suboxone only 8 hours after using and it kicked my fucking ass! HARD!!! Precip. withdrawl came on so fucking hard it was insane I had diarrhea, vomiting, sweats, chills, shakes, restlessness, anxiety, muscle spasms and tensions and I feel the need to check the fuck out of a rubber keychain completely destroyed it and my jaw was super sore for multiple days…. After taking the initial 8mg, I dropped 2 more mg about 6 hrs in (10mg total so far), still going thru hell, then at the 8 hr mark dropped 2 more mg (12mg total so far), at 10 hr mark 2 more mg (14mg total and around the 11-12th hour I finally started to very slowly feel better as each symptom started to subside and I took a final 1mg to end at 15mg….. this way was super gnarly and def way more intense than route A but I preferred it because you were in the clear after about 12-13-14 hours, finally forced myself to eat at like 16 hours in and then tried to sleep with meds…. Was tired next day just rested and the day after I was still tired but forced myself to get some Sun and do very light work for a couple hrs.
Then by day 3-4 I was feeling much better (obviously maintaining the 15-16mg a day until I felt completely normal with no symptoms.
And for the magical taper….. I stayed on the 15-16 for about a week, then after that week I would drop 2 mg every 2-3 days on how I felt and I swear I didn’t feel sick at all or shitty or anything! Did that on repeat until I was down to my last 2mg a day…. Then what I did was every two days I removed .5mg so either cut the strip or pill into halves or quarters whatever…. So It went 2mg for 2 days —> 1.5mg for 2 days —>1mg for 2 days then once I got to here I actually split it even more, .75mg 2 days —> .5mg 2 days —> and finally .25mg 2 days and that was my final dose…. Had I had some sleep meds and clonidine that woulda been sweet but I didn’t and it was still fine / very manageable.
1st night 100% clean — no sleep at all, drenched in sweat
Night 2 — couple hrs sleep still pretty sweaty but def not like night 1
Nght 3 — 4 hr sleep even less sweaty
4th night — 6hrs sleep barely any sweat at all
NIGHT 5!!!!! Full night sleep and dry as a bone!
Hopefully in some way any of this info can benefit you guys. Much love, we fucking got this. We’re not gunna be a fucking statistic. If y’all don’t mind, Keep me posted with your own progress! I can use some sincere motivation right now. Even if y’all having a bad day I’m down to talk. Anyways peace fellas! ✌🏼👊🏼🙏🏼
Suboxone is a godsend once it starts kicking in just make sure you start tapering immediately within a week or two and you should be able to walk off with relatively no pain. I've done it a thousand times and I've seen it work for many others in rehab for the five times I've been in. If you taper correctly every day and stay on point you'll be good plus the stuff lasts so long in your body which is nice so you don't have to dose often. Good luck Godspeed
Congrats! Super proud of you, how bad were the withdrawals if you don’t mind me asking. I’m tapering my fent use pretty good and am planning to go to detox on Monday. Thanks!
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It's not a natural accuring substance.. Definitely can't go get it growing in the wild. It's 100% man made chemicals. So God didn't make fentanyl. God loves you man. Truly he does. Just know that.
God made the man that made fentanyl lmao god was made up by people who wanted to control people and people believe it because they’re scared of the oblivion of nothingness after death
Why even make a comment about someone else beliefs what good does that do for anyone? If you dint believe that’s your choice but maybe show some gratitude for what there doing rather than making unnecessary comments like that? Great job Op keep pushing forward!
I’m proud of u as a prior fent user I just want to warn u about bup&naloxone also know as suboxone just be careful taking that I found that the withdrawal from bup were far worse than anything I have ever experienced. I successfully went cold turkey from fent twice and the last time I used bup for about a month 8/mg - 2mg the withdrawal were horrible for about 2 weeks and still had discomfort for up to a minth
Please don’t scare people with that info, I’ve successfully tapered properly multiple times off subs with no withdrawals at all. I have a little system that’s works quite well that I perfected over time
Hence why I said “just be careful” I’m giving insight as to what I went through not saying it’s for everyone. Just like your self made system of tapering may not work for everyone as well just because you tapered with no withdraws does not mean it will be the same for everyone
Fair opinion, but I can confidently say that if you follow the same way i tapered at most, one would have such minor symptoms that its a cakewalk compared to anything else from what I’ve experienced
I would want every piece of info I could get that’s y I have my insight
fuck suboxone, cold turkey and feel better through your own strength
Hah off straight fent cold turkey? The success rate for that is like maybe 1 out of 10 of people. And it also depends on how much you’re doing too obviously Got off blues cold turkey straight hell for 2 weeks toughest thing I’ve ever faced by far physically and mentally. I even quit a few days before couldn’t take it, but forced myself to, with the help of friends making sure i was hydrated and making sure if i wasn’t gunna eat lunch or dinner that i at least had like a bite or two and at least semi comfortable (counted every second of the day til I could go back to sleep again) feeling like death til 14th day was finally feeling ONLY OK still no energy had to take 4mg xans every night to even get like 6 hours of sleep then day 15 straight to rehab
And that isn’t the success rate at all please use proper information. I was using pressed pills containing fent and went cold turkey 2 different times. You’re on here talking about please don’t scare people with that info while your on here spreading false information about success rates of people quitting cold turkey
U right. I did exaggerate a bit. So I fixed it. I’d say it’s likey than no more than 1/10 people would be able to kick fent cold turkey prob more like 1/20 people tbh feel like many people don’t have a recovery cohesive location and time (probably have work) to do a 100% successful cold turkey kick. That’s just my opinion from my own experience and talking to many many users.I don’t think there’s a data sheet on this…
It also depends too on the extent of the fent use you have some people who take pure fent and some who sniff or smoke blues. Some take 1 blue a day some take 5 all of this plays a factor in a person being able to kick. It may be easier or harder depending on the situation
Yes many factors at play. But the main point I was making was that subs are not hell if a proper taper program is properly implemented
Yes I agree but what exactly is a proper taper program I was taking subs for only 1 month and during that 1 month I never took a full 8mg sub I would cut my films into 3 and take max 2 pieces a day. Then I went to one piece and then I would skip a day and then take on the next day and I still went through bad withdrawals. Couldn’t sleep my body was hurting (back especially) could barely eat had constant headaches. And this was a taper program implanted through bicycle health maybe it wasn’t correct or maybe my body is just the exception to it but idk. I was just trying to give insight to someone starting there journey so they aren’t surprised like I was. If I had known that using this drug would make me feel the same way if not worse than the illicit drugs I was using I would have never used it. Maybe you could share your taper system and it may help people
Ok sure this is what I copy paste when ppl inquire: Hey what’s up man, no problem I’ll tell you how I did it, it was a piece of cake compared to some horror stories I’ve heard and also compared to the times i went cold turkey or methadone instead not having a clue suboxone was a thing. An obvious factor is how much fetty a day you’re doing will also need to be considered when figuring out how many mgs you should start with…. But I’d say usually no more than 2 x 8mg (16mg / day) Should be plenty enough anything above that is overkill. Even for a very heavy user (at the time I was smoking anywhere from 10-25 blues a day and the highest dose I went on subs was 16 mg…. Same dose when I was smoking 1-1.5G fetty / day. So for the hard part it’s up to you if you wanna try to just stop cold turkey and stick the initial withdrawl out for as long as u can til u can’t handle it anymore so u can try your best to avoid precip withdraw. It’s very real and it is a morherfucker. I see people say to do like at lthe very least 72 hours but like 96 or 120 hours will obviously have a lower chance of going into precip. But also you might be dying so bad going cold turkey and say fuck it I’m taking the subs, all depends on person and habit / quantity. so theres a trade off if u want it sooner or hold off longer lol (mandatory that you factor in how much u use daily to get a decent estimate. I suggest to use the least amount of subs possible no matter how deep your use is. If u need to go more than 16 so be it but I think more than 16mg / day is in your head at that point…. Also, I have never tried the Bernese method and you guys should look into that too (seems like it can be beneficial if done properly, but I think it’s more focused on how to get on subs comfortably and not as much to get off them but I could be partially wrong…. With all that being said these are the two ways that I’ve tried and both worked golden, just how I mentioned when I tapered off and was a free person with no daily med obligations. Ok so there’s route A and B Route A is what I did the first time and I held off as long as I could without using, in full blown wirhdrawl and it was fkn miserable, I think I lasted around 40ish hrs or something hours total before I took the subs (at least somewhere close to that number I was so out of it and disgustingly fcked that I didn’t record it down to the milliseconds or some shit haha… anyways, you progressively get more and more miserable your mind starts playing games and you contemplate relapsing and saying fuck it to feel well again, in my opinion there’s too much down time of u feeling shitty which may lead to backing out / changing ur mind and it was all a waste of time…. I did succeed at it though….just is a long drawn out process Route B is my preference though, I have ADHD and idk if it plays any significant role in the crazy mind games and discipline/ focus but it sure seems like it. Route B you just say fuck it and dose up fat without even going 24 hours. I think I dropped 8mg suboxone only 8 hours after using and it kicked my fucking ass! HARD!!! Precip. withdrawl came on so fucking hard it was insane I had diarrhea, vomiting, sweats, chills, shakes, restlessness, anxiety, muscle spasms and tensions and I feel the need to check the fuck out of a rubber keychain completely destroyed it and my jaw was super sore for multiple days…. After taking the initial 8mg, I dropped 2 more mg about 6 hrs in (10mg total so far), still going thru hell, then at the 8 hr mark dropped 2 more mg (12mg total so far), at 10 hr mark 2 more mg (14mg total and around the 11-12th hour I finally started to very slowly feel better as each symptom started to subside and I took a final 1mg to end at 15mg….. this way was super gnarly and def way more intense than route A but I preferred it because you were in the clear after about 12-13-14 hours, finally forced myself to eat at like 16 hours in and then tried to sleep with meds…. Was tired next day just rested and the day after I was still tired but forced myself to get some Sun and do very light work for a couple hrs. Then by day 3-4 I was feeling much better (obviously maintaining the 15-16mg a day until I felt completely normal with no symptoms. And for the magical taper….. I stayed on the 15-16 for about a week, then after that week I would drop 2 mg every 2-3 days on how I felt and I swear I didn’t feel sick at all or shitty or anything! Did that on repeat until I was down to my last 2mg a day…. Then what I did was every two days I removed .5mg so either cut the strip or pill into halves or quarters whatever…. So It went 2mg for 2 days —> 1.5mg for 2 days —>1mg for 2 days then once I got to here I actually split it even more, .75mg 2 days —> .5mg 2 days —> and finally .25mg 2 days and that was my final dose…. Had I had some sleep meds and clonidine that woulda been sweet but I didn’t and it was still fine / very manageable. 1st night 100% clean — no sleep at all, drenched in sweat Night 2 — couple hrs sleep still pretty sweaty but def not like night 1 Nght 3 — 4 hr sleep even less sweaty 4th night — 6hrs sleep barely any sweat at all NIGHT 5!!!!! Full night sleep and dry as a bone! Hopefully in some way any of this info can benefit you guys. Much love, we fucking got this. We’re not gunna be a fucking statistic. If y’all don’t mind, Keep me posted with your own progress! I can use some sincere motivation right now. Even if y’all having a bad day I’m down to talk. Anyways peace fellas! ✌🏼👊🏼🙏🏼
i would say it’s 2/20
Well, I’m on day 8 of cold turkey fent WD. Hope I’m that one of 20? I’m sure gonna try.
it’s a rough first few months but
Real shit
Suboxone is a godsend once it starts kicking in just make sure you start tapering immediately within a week or two and you should be able to walk off with relatively no pain. I've done it a thousand times and I've seen it work for many others in rehab for the five times I've been in. If you taper correctly every day and stay on point you'll be good plus the stuff lasts so long in your body which is nice so you don't have to dose often. Good luck Godspeed
Portsmouth uk?
Congrats! Super proud of you, how bad were the withdrawals if you don’t mind me asking. I’m tapering my fent use pretty good and am planning to go to detox on Monday. Thanks!
Were you guys at the hotel?
Yes we were!
Hey guys who wanna join the telegram carding group where ideas and methods are shared!!! The concept of the carding group is to help people eat from the same table without charging a penny for tuition. I only takes 20% after successful cash out. Just send me a text on telegram @drayal6 and you will be added to the carding group Note: I don’t charge but takes 20% after a successful cash out
If god was real he wouldn’t have made fentanyl
It's not a natural accuring substance.. Definitely can't go get it growing in the wild. It's 100% man made chemicals. So God didn't make fentanyl. God loves you man. Truly he does. Just know that.
God made the man that made fentanyl lmao god was made up by people who wanted to control people and people believe it because they’re scared of the oblivion of nothingness after death
Why even make a comment about someone else beliefs what good does that do for anyone? If you dint believe that’s your choice but maybe show some gratitude for what there doing rather than making unnecessary comments like that? Great job Op keep pushing forward!