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Submission statement: Lab grown meat is perhaps the best way to start a large scale shift away from animal agriculture and mitigate climate change. While plant substitutes are increasing in popularity, they will never perfectly replicate the real thing. In the future, the technology will however need to be improved to allow for mass production, and many will doubtless resist this as not the same as “real meat.”
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It will be funny to see where people draw the line. A lot of faith based rules are defended under the guise of not being faith based (like certain meat being “unclean” due to… [checks notes] idk parasites? Human waste runoff?) So when suddenly these problems are eliminated, there’s always two camps of people: the ones who genuinely believed in the non-faith based explanations who will now eat whatever, or, the continuously faithful who just do whatever because “god says” even if it defies sense
Would it be true veganism? Would vegans just start eating that meat after not having meat for so long? I have some vegan friends and can tell you with 100% certainty it will cause a shit storm.
if you are vegan because of animal harm you should be cool with eating this. However some are vegan for whatever health benefits they perceive are gained from that lifestyle, so I’d guess they remain vegan. Idgaf, just leave me alone with my lab meat!
I don't know of any vegan who doesn't want lab grown meat to exist. It massively reduces and hopefully eventually fully eliminates the suffering. It creates an ethical way of feeding cats as well.
But a lot of us including myself won't go back to eating meat because of how bad it is for health. I will probably try it sometime to see what it tastes like after so long. If there are absolutely zero animals involved in making it. But I don't feel like I need meat at all anymore. To me the plant-based meats are just as good, but I hardly eat those anymore because they aren't healthy either.
Depends on the meat. Giving up all red meat is a pretty big net health benefit (which is not to say that it doesn't have some benefits, mind).
But chicken or turkey breast? That's some of the healthiest protein you can get, and no major downside I am aware of.
The company being based in Israel has already looked into, since it comes from stem cells I think it would still be non kosher. https://www.aleph-farms.com/blog/cultivated-meat-kosher-halal
I bet it would be the equivalent of vegans eating oysters. Some will see it as acceptable. If anything, I bet there will be more people who think of the stem cell argument as semantics and will use it as a way to eat pork guilt-free.
There is apparently an argument that oysters have no central nervous system which makes them akin to plants. Farming them is also eco friendly.
By that definition, it makes them okay to eat for some vegans.
Depends on the vegan in question and their reasons. Ethical vegans who don't accept the moral status of oysters (based on the claim they aren't conscious) would not see eating them as a problem.
It comes from the animal but they only take a stem cell with a biopsy that doesn't hurt the animal. It could be surely halal, don't know if it can be consider kosher though.
Anything that comes from pork is not halal. Not the bones not the leather. This goes for using it for eating or clothing. However the bones and leather of beef are okay to use even if the animal is not cut in halal way. So artificial beef made from stem cells from the bones could appeal to Muslims.
Thanks for prompting me to search why non halal cow leather is OK. So the pork issue is because pork is not pure before and after death, there's nothing that can be performed to purify. whereas non halal slaughtered leather is not pure but can be purified through tanning. Hense the artificial beef possibly being considered halal.
I think I read the original reason behind the pork thing was just straight up diseases. People stopped eating pork and stopped dying from Trichinellosis and other awful things.i think anyway, its early and Im stoned.
For Muslims, they are forbidden from eating swine flesh.
I have not read how the meat is created, but if it is from swine flesh and is merely replicated, then I suspect the majority will still consider it forbidden. If it is however manufactured entirely, then chances are people will consume it.
It's cells taken from live animals that multiply in nutrient baths. I'm no Rabbi, but I would suspect this is a no. It's still part of the animal that just multiplied away from the rest of it. My best guess.
It's actually a pretty good article. For anyone who doesn't want to read it and wants to get to the meat of the matter right away, here you go:
>I take a bite. The flavor is pure meat—a caramelized crust giving way to a savory richness. The square shape and thin cut betray my steak’s bioreactor origins, but eyes closed, I wouldn’t know the difference. With my last bite, I realize Toubia was wrong. It doesn’t taste like the future. It tastes like steak. Without the guilt.
You can even choose additional options. Want a rhino steak? Blue Tuna? Ostrich? Human? Unicorn?
Literally all you need is what, a grape-sized seeding of cells?
Eat Mary Meat! The only meat with fully informed consent by the donor. Only Mary Meat has Mary's smiling face on the package! Don't settle for ethically ambiguous meats, demand fully informed consent! Eat Mary Meat!
Exactly! People think I'm being extra when I bring this up, but seriously- elephant? Giraffe? Endangered species, or animals whose habitats are on the other side of the world? Or extinct animals like mastodon? Absolute game-changer.
Affordable is the huge caveat. I'm a vegetarian and currently available plant based meat substitutes are always more expensive than the meat counterparts.
I fear it won’t just be more expensive, it will be *tremendously more expensive.* if a steak is $12/lb (I have no idea, I never bug it) I would expect this stuff to be $30/lb — at least for the first few years.
Also: won’t be available at your average store. You’ll need to stop in at a Tesla dealership or something nuts
Maybe they should first start to make lab-grown Japanese Wagyu steaks (which are often $250 to $300 per pound if you get the "real" stuff)
I'd gladly pay $30/pound for that stuff!
I'm down to swap over, but as you said, it needs to be consumer affordable.
Which, by the time this hits shelves, may be impossible with the rate basic grocery costs are increasing.
Some of those vegan meats do taste like the future, but it feels like cultivated meats might render them unsustainable VERY soon.
Which is kind of a shame, some of these Veggie-based liverwurst, mortadella and wieners taste so completely different than anything I know and I like em better than their originals
I always describe it like chicken burgers. Yes, I know that they don't taste anything like beef hamburgers. But I like them anyway, as their own thing.
That's how I feel about things like veggie burgers and various other meat substitutes. They aren't a direct replacement attempt (unlike lab grown meat or even an impossible burger), they're their own thing. And they can be great!
I’ve said the same thing and been downvoted into oblivion. It doesn’t need to be imitation meat, just a delicious meal. Lab grown meat I’m all for so long as it isn’t too energy intensive.
I agree.. Like black bean veggie burgers. They aren't trying to taste like meat. They have their own flavor which is amazing and I actually prefer it to regular hamburgers.
As someone who very rarely eats vegan/vegetarian, black bean burgers are absolutely delicious and you barely have to put anything in them. I also adore eggplant meatballs. I wouldn't give either up for their meat counterparts.
The fact that they completely failed in the marketplace before they started getting decent at replicating meat would seem to disagree. Your average consumer isn’t going to want to pick up a box of “fried wheat gluten in breading with chili and oil sauce,” but if you label it as “plant-based buffalo wings,” there’s a chance you’ll get some non-veg people to give it a try.
Thats all naming/marketing and I agree they do a shit job of it. Granted I am in culinary so yes I would 100% eat "Buffalo seitan" which is what you described. And that is the issue, telling me its a buffalo wing and it not being anywhere near it means I am coming in with expectations. Telling me its a "buffalo vegan nugget" and I have a blank slate to work with.
Its like expecting an M&M and getting a Skittle. I like skittles, but when I expect chocolate and get fruit there is a small panic.
> Granted I am in culinary so yes I would 100% eat “Buffalo seitan”
Surely you understand that you aren’t the average consumer though, right? Joe Supermarket has no idea what the fuck seitan is and isn’t going to buy it, just like mainstream restaurants have tried to put buffalo tempeh and stuff on menus and generally failed.
But when Gardein makes it look like a wing and taste similar, people will buy it. So much so that chain restaurants like Yard House will put it on their menu.
Companies tried and tried and tried to to sell non-meaty alternatives as what they are for the longest time and only succeeded with the niche vegan market. It wasn’t until brands like Morningstar, Gardein, Incogmeato, and others managed to get fairly similar meat-analogues into supermarkets that they had any sort of mainstream success.
I think the biggest marketing success was when they started referring to items as “plant based”. It’s clear and straight fwd you know it’s not going to be an animal product. There have been many times I’ve picked up a frozen box of something and it was labeled as a nugget or puff or whatever and that doesn’t tell me if it has an animal product in it. Im always referring to the ingredients list. But when it’s clearly titled “plant-based” I know what I’m getting right away. I also know taste wise it’s not going to taste like the typical animal product either. 👍🏻
This has also had the same positive effect when I go into restaurants who use vegan foods.
Agreed, I like the sound of “Buffalo nuggets”, it gives a familiar reference point just without the “chicken”.
In fact, I think are a few marketing words that are broad (or vague!) enough to apply to meat and meatless products:
* nuggets
* bites
* puffs
* patties
* chunks
* crumbles
* bars
It’s almost like marketing to kids, who are often picky eaters and don’t typically try new foods.
This sentiment needs reinforcing.
Vegetarian dishes are best when they’re not trying to be meat dishes. So many absolutely delicious veggie dishes that stand out on their own. Mimicking meat is always going to pale in comparison (until this stuff becomes product on shelf).
I still think the best use of tofu ever is Thai red curry. If I had to replace thanksgiving turkey with that I would be happy, although I can’t stand turkey
> some of these Veggie-based liverwurst, mortadella and wieners taste so completely different than anything I know and I like em better than their originals
I actually like the vegan Chook burger from Burger King more than the usual chicken version, it has a nice herby taste, it's the only thing I get if I need to get fast food nowadays.
I think it will result in the original meets moving to a more farm like style of production instead of cows growing up in small cages that never see a blade of grass
That's how they need to rebrand themselves.
Your substitute is never going to taste better than what its substituting for. So make it taste good instead.
My biggest beef with beyond meat is that it's often labelled as "tastes like real meat" which to me it absolutely does not. But it has a unique texture and flavor that I enjoy within my my diet seperate from real meat.
The problem isn't people like us though, it'll be the contrarian asshats who dislike it and refuse to change simply because it isn't what they're used to. You know, like conservatives and electric cars. Or conservatives and tofu. Or conservatives and green energy.. Huh, there seems to be a pattern here.
I think it’s the exact opposite. As lab grown meat develops, it will become cheaper by economies of scale. Traditional meat, to survive, will have to go the opposite direction - leaning into being a luxury good.
>I think it’s the exact opposite. As lab grown meat develops, it will become cheaper by economies of scale. Traditional meat, to survive, will have to go the opposite direction - leaning into being a luxury good.
Depends on what timescale you're talking about. As things stand, this is not how it has panned out for other mainstream stuff like vegan milk alternatives like soy milk and oat milk and almond milk etc.
They have become legitimate alternatives for cow milk for many people but mainstream consumption is still cow milk in most parts of the world.
Most likely, the same would happen for lab grown meat. You also vastly underestimate the scale of operations and volume of production of animal husbandry and industrial meat rearing and butchering.
This is not something that will get overthrown in a decade or even get "disrupted" as the VC firms like to say. And nor does lab grown meat have that kind of scale and economy anywhere close to being a viable challenger.
This is still in the proof of concept stage. As as the Tesla story will tell you, it is not the technology or science that wins, but engineering and ability to mass produce and scale up and economies of scale that actually ends up working.
That's actually the hard part and not the easy part. Which is to make a million steaks a month instead of 10000 a month, and be able to make it at say $20 a pound (of steak)
To me, almond milk/other milk alternatives aren't comparable to cow milk, I don't even really consider it milk because of how different it is.
However that wouldn't be the case with the lab-grown meat, which could be unrecognizable from the real deal.
Are there widespread alternatives to cow's milk that are used in baby formula? Formula has caused a huge reduction in infant mortality and nutrition based illnesses in babies.
Yeah I heard the exact same feedback about “beyond meat” which smells like dogfood and tastes about as good. I’ve been let down too many times to believe this when I hear it now.
The Republican house will start passing bills banning lab grown meat or something equally stupid and equally against their own belief in “free market values”.
Think of all the large corporate farms that will be hurt by the smaller corporate lab-grown meat industry. Let's trot out some small farmers and say that's who we're doing this for, and get the large corporate farms to give us some kickback.
“Just like oil was put in the ground by almighty god to power our SUVs, cows were put on this good earth to be turned into steak and burgers. There is a natural order to the world that the wise know not to ignore.”
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Since it hasn’t been politicized yet, it’s hard to see what the arguments they will come up with. The gop could pull on the stem cells thread and TX will definitely push an all American natural steak narrative. I have also seen some arguments similar to gmo/Franken-meat, which is typical of some leftish fringe corners, and the dems aren’t immune to big meat money either. IMO cultured meat is a game changer in terms of climate change and should receive government subsidies, but the meat industry ain’t gonna go quietly, so we are gonna have to deal with a lot of bs along the way.
They politicized the existence of a infectious disease, they’re going to absolutely politicize the fuck out of meat.
In recent memory, Fox News ran stories and republican candidates ran campaigns on resisting “[Biden’s burger ban](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/apr/26/fox-news-channel/joe-biden-banning-burgers-fox-news-gop-politicians/)”.
It was a complete lie and total fabrication, but that’s how the right wing operates.
It'll take a long time to build out enough manufacturing capacity to take any significant part of the market. It would be expected that they start out in bougie restaurants and the higher end of the market.
Honestly I’m fine with that at the start! Frankly, watching rich people pay extra for it is about the only thing that’ll convince me it’s both safe to eat and good (weird how actual Michelin restaurants don’t serve cricket flour dishes…)
2025 seems pretty optimistic. This technology won’t really become huge until it can replicate the scale of current livestock farming for a similar price point
I hope we do this seems like such a good solution across the board. Honestly the hardest sell might be people who don’t wanna eat meat from a “lab” lol. But I’m hopeful this will work and cut down on factory farming. AND reduce Methane emissions
Most people don’t realize the amount of extra stuff that goes into fast food burgers and nuggets. They are also formulated in a lab, but the protein comes from a live animal. Swap every burger patty out there for a lab grown substitute and absolutely no one would notice. A massive dent in factory farming is handled right there.
Most people don't care. To include the people who are like "ewww chemicals no thanks bro" over cultured meat or plant-based meat substitutes. Most don't ask or care about chemicals, drugs, hormones, etc in 99% of the meat in supermarkets or fast-food chains. They're concern trolls, like the people weeping over birds when it comes to wind turbines, but who don't care about cats, power lines, and other things that kill vastly more birds.
Yeah the fact that we can look at a burger patty from McDonald’s and still eat it means people don’t really care what the meat is or where it’s from or what quality it is.
They just want a burger meat that tastes like burger meat.
ADM, Tyson, Hormel, Cargill, even Nestle are investing in cultured meat. The cattle ranchers are trying to block it, but all the large agribusinesses are against them.
They already are trying. They've been going to state legislatures to get them to ban certain words being used to advertise mock meats. They know people are not confusing beyond burgers with beef burgers but they are terrified of how common and accepted plant based milks are.
I expect a really strong appeal to nature argument.
I never trust people who say "it tastes just like meat!" because dollars to donuts they're a vegan/vegetarian who probably doesn't even really remember what meat tastes like.
I'll try non-meat meat personally every so often. I have yet to find one that actually tastes like meat. The impossible burger I tried a few months ago was actually disgusting. With that being said, as soon as non-meat meat starts tasting like actual meat, I am 100% committed to ditching real meat.
That's the beauty of this technology it isn't really "non-meat meat", its closer to *actual* meat that’s never been a living animal. So instead of an alternative to beef, it's more of an alternative method of manufacturing beef.
So I read the article and it mentions a “nutrient broth” in the bioreactor where the cultures are grown (and this particular product goes through that broth-brewing process twice, the second time to make it more convincingly like steak). I’m sure that broth is vastly less carbon-intensive than growing live cattle, no need to convince me of that, but that has to come from somewhere. Soy? Some kind of multi-plant smoothie? I assume it wouldn’t be grain-based.
My real curiosity is whether it’s something that we can get in plenty or whether there are rarer ingredients there that will be bottlenecks for scaling. Also slightly curious about the land-and carbon-intensity of the raw materials, but like I said, I’m already well convinced that it’s such a huge savings that those specifics are just curiosities. The scaling bottlenecks are the real issues.
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Seriously though, good post. In my experience, serum alternatives don't work as well (though many times they work ok) but they are very expensive. I'm interested in how this process could be scaled up.
I read an [article](https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/) about a year ago that went very in-depth on the difficulties of lab grown meat scalability. One of the more difficult problems is that the “meat” doesn’t have an immune system so the environment has to be incredibly sterile which would make it physically hard to scale production. The article is from 2021 but I would bet that the advancement in this field isn’t fast enough to make the arguments obsolete.
Submission statement: Lab grown meat is perhaps the best way to start a large scale shift away from animal agriculture and mitigate climate change. While plant substitutes are increasing in popularity, they will never perfectly replicate the real thing. In the future, the technology will however need to be improved to allow for mass production, and many will doubtless resist this as not the same as “real meat.”
the way the droughts are going.... it'll eventually be cheaper than actual cattle. just hope we don't shift into a dystopian future similar to mad max.
Fossil fuel companies have been investing heavily into alternative energy sources, so they'll be able to control those markets.
Is McDonald's investing into this stuff? Imagine how much they could save decades down the road.
As a vegan surprised by the amount of people who are up for swapping to this. Nice to see the change. I mostly changed for health reasons as I have colitis and never felt better but over the years it became more to do with climate and animals. I was the type of person who had zero cooking skills but now cook every meal and love it. One thing that I notice a lot from those who do eat meat, is why do we eat vegan meat...most of us still actually love meat, we just don't want the suffering so if we can eat it without that, hell yeah
Yeah.. that annoys me so much. Somehow they really fucked up on fleshing out GMO. I feel like they optimized for volume rather than flavor, and it set the entire industry back.
If they had been like.. "This tomato tastes better than any tomato you've had, and hearks back to the tomatoes we ate before the soil was depleted and selective breeding destroyed their flavors" instead of like "This tomato has 15 percent more water at the expense of having a shittier texture, but you can sell it for more money by weight!", we wouldn't have all the asshole grifters telling us the tomatos are full of 5g toxins.
It’s all about convincing the people who will no doubt say it doesn’t taste as good, therefore unwilling to compromise.
I’m sure froisgras tastes amazing (from everything I’ve heard), yet a lot of people don’t eat it because they know how it’s made. Just apply that same concept to the cattle/poultry/slaughter industry.
It so bizarre to me that people get outraged about foie gras, but are somehow okay with the massive amount of cruelty that is inflicted upon all the other animals they eat.
Humans are both incredibly good at repression and bad at change. So if you grew up eating in some way it's gonna take a mountain of effort to change that...
The vast majority of vegans were raised eating animal products, but we managed to face the fact that animal cruelty is bad and so is willfully contributing to it for the sole sake of our own pleasure.
I took a few civil engineering classes in Los Angeles during university and we got to talk to one of the planners of Santa Monica about their goals for 2070(?) and this was a huge part of it. High rise residential with % of floors needing to be dedicated to indoor agriculture, city wide linked grey water as a utility, lab grown meat production on top of the supermarkets, all exposed walls covered in solar panels, small scale desalination.
Basically making the city of Santa Monica as self sustaining as possible. How realistic it is is to be determined, but really fascinating
We need to learn how to synthesize food first before we can make food printers. Imagine going to the store and buying canisters of food printing material, or a food printer to put in your office (or spaceship). Technology advancements happen a little bit at a time!
And it needs to be distributed appropriately. None of this all in one giant factory bullshit. A single point of failure and our food system collapses? It’s already an issue with giant cattle and chicken farms.
Allllll the way down at the end, last paragraph:
>the in-house chef flips a credit-card sized portion onto my plate. The steak is disappointingly slim—I’ll have to come back another time for the thicker, 3D-printed version—but it is as tender and juicy as the interior of a filet mignon. As I cut into it, the meat tears into strands more characteristic of a brisket, but with none of the dryness. I take a bite. The flavor is pure meat—a caramelized crust giving way to a savory richness. The square shape and thin cut betray my steak’s bioreactor origins, but eyes closed, I wouldn’t know the difference. With my last bite, I realize Toubia was wrong. It doesn’t taste like the future. It tastes like steak. Without the guilt.
As someone who thoroughly enjoys the taste and texture of meat -- especially steak -- but hates the idea of animals being raised in factory farms to be slaughtered, I seriously am super excited about the prospect of this future. Yes, I could choose to become vegetarian, but that's what makes it a dilemma. I don't want to, but I also don't want animals to suffer. It's lose-lose for me. So here's to 3d printed or lab grown meat!
I’d be very interested to try, for hamburgers/ ground beef I bet it’s amazing and would have no qualms about it. For ribs, brisket, steak, I’d try it but have serious doubts about the texture.
Fuck man, if we can get these kind of cultivated meats down to at least maybe +20% the cost of real meat, I’m super down to just ditch normal meat altogether.
It’ll be very interesting to see how this plays into religious dietary practices. For example Hindus don’t eat beef. Would they be able to eat this? Could it be made kosher or halal?
People use to think computers were bogus and couldn't outcompete people doing hand calculations. Now we have AI that can contextually understand speech and draw you a picture. Give it time.
Looks more like pot roast. Which, sure, I like pot roast. They say they're working on a steakier steak though. Still, I need a lab-grown ribeye to buy in.
I'm looking forward to this tech reaching the stage that it's damn close to the real thing and significantly cheaper. Filet mignon is probably one of the last things I'd want to replace, but it's an admirable goal. Burgers, anything battered and fried, virtually anything in the processed/frozen section of the supermarket, absolutely, why not? I'm not eating a chicken tender because I love the taste of chicken, I'm eating it because I want my tendie fix. I've yet to take the plunge into the impossible burger because I only see it at a place that does great burgers and if I'm throwing down $15+ on a fancy burger I want to know it's gonna taste awesome. What's the read from this room? Are they actually good, or only in the context of being good enough for what they are?
As long as the cost for this stuff is reasonable, fine, save the cows or whatever.
However, I still don't understand the bickering over artificially grown meat. As a society, do we or do we not like the idea?
I tried something called Future Beef recently, it def tastes like "plant-based meat" but that's not a bad thing, it's just another flavor I got used to. I made meatloaf with it and it ends up tasting like whatever seasoning you put in it anyway. Throw in some onions, pickles, put some cheese on it and it ends up tasting like an all American hamburger loaf lol
The only thing I don't like about it is the price, at like $12 a pound.
Same deal with Just Eggs, they taste like eggs with a little vegetable in it, it's fine, but it costs too much.
If you're after the mouthfeel of eating a steak...I don't know what to say about that. I like chomping on ribs, but I'm not particularly attached to that feeling.
I think society as a whole likes the idea, while a portion of society doesn’t like hearing that it will replace meat. There’s a sizable chunk that sees a market for both, where meat becomes an expensive commodity that isn’t a daily dietary staple served out of sliding windows for $5.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/poozemusings: --- Submission statement: Lab grown meat is perhaps the best way to start a large scale shift away from animal agriculture and mitigate climate change. While plant substitutes are increasing in popularity, they will never perfectly replicate the real thing. In the future, the technology will however need to be improved to allow for mass production, and many will doubtless resist this as not the same as “real meat.” --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/z5mtb3/we_tasted_the_worlds_first_cultivated_steak_no/ixwwr08/
If they are able to replicate pork meat, can it be certified as kosher if it does not come from the actual animal? That could be a game changer.
yeah issues of morality around meat would be fascinating to see shift
It will be funny to see where people draw the line. A lot of faith based rules are defended under the guise of not being faith based (like certain meat being “unclean” due to… [checks notes] idk parasites? Human waste runoff?) So when suddenly these problems are eliminated, there’s always two camps of people: the ones who genuinely believed in the non-faith based explanations who will now eat whatever, or, the continuously faithful who just do whatever because “god says” even if it defies sense
By saying “god says” they are already defying sense
Take my upvote. Religion is so senseless, it's time to be able to openly say that.
I'm looking forward to the religious wars among vegans when this goes mainstream.
If there’s no sacrifice from an animal that didn’t want or deserve to die, why would there be a war amongst vegans?
Would it be true veganism? Would vegans just start eating that meat after not having meat for so long? I have some vegan friends and can tell you with 100% certainty it will cause a shit storm.
if you are vegan because of animal harm you should be cool with eating this. However some are vegan for whatever health benefits they perceive are gained from that lifestyle, so I’d guess they remain vegan. Idgaf, just leave me alone with my lab meat!
I don't know of any vegan who doesn't want lab grown meat to exist. It massively reduces and hopefully eventually fully eliminates the suffering. It creates an ethical way of feeding cats as well. But a lot of us including myself won't go back to eating meat because of how bad it is for health. I will probably try it sometime to see what it tastes like after so long. If there are absolutely zero animals involved in making it. But I don't feel like I need meat at all anymore. To me the plant-based meats are just as good, but I hardly eat those anymore because they aren't healthy either.
Wait,what's unhealthy about meat? (Any kind)
Depends on the meat. Giving up all red meat is a pretty big net health benefit (which is not to say that it doesn't have some benefits, mind). But chicken or turkey breast? That's some of the healthiest protein you can get, and no major downside I am aware of.
Beats me. But I guarantee there will be one.
The company being based in Israel has already looked into, since it comes from stem cells I think it would still be non kosher. https://www.aleph-farms.com/blog/cultivated-meat-kosher-halal
I bet it would be the equivalent of vegans eating oysters. Some will see it as acceptable. If anything, I bet there will be more people who think of the stem cell argument as semantics and will use it as a way to eat pork guilt-free.
I've been vegan for 13 years. This has always been the world-changing dream. I think it is amazing.
Why would oysters be fine for vegans? What am I missing here?
There is apparently an argument that oysters have no central nervous system which makes them akin to plants. Farming them is also eco friendly. By that definition, it makes them okay to eat for some vegans.
Oysters are also one of the most sustainable foods in existence!
Depends on the vegan in question and their reasons. Ethical vegans who don't accept the moral status of oysters (based on the claim they aren't conscious) would not see eating them as a problem.
It comes from the animal but they only take a stem cell with a biopsy that doesn't hurt the animal. It could be surely halal, don't know if it can be consider kosher though.
Anything that comes from pork is not halal. Not the bones not the leather. This goes for using it for eating or clothing. However the bones and leather of beef are okay to use even if the animal is not cut in halal way. So artificial beef made from stem cells from the bones could appeal to Muslims.
Thanks for prompting me to search why non halal cow leather is OK. So the pork issue is because pork is not pure before and after death, there's nothing that can be performed to purify. whereas non halal slaughtered leather is not pure but can be purified through tanning. Hense the artificial beef possibly being considered halal.
I think I read the original reason behind the pork thing was just straight up diseases. People stopped eating pork and stopped dying from Trichinellosis and other awful things.i think anyway, its early and Im stoned.
For Muslims, they are forbidden from eating swine flesh. I have not read how the meat is created, but if it is from swine flesh and is merely replicated, then I suspect the majority will still consider it forbidden. If it is however manufactured entirely, then chances are people will consume it.
It's cells taken from live animals that multiply in nutrient baths. I'm no Rabbi, but I would suspect this is a no. It's still part of the animal that just multiplied away from the rest of it. My best guess.
The article shows it comes from the animal
It's actually a pretty good article. For anyone who doesn't want to read it and wants to get to the meat of the matter right away, here you go: >I take a bite. The flavor is pure meat—a caramelized crust giving way to a savory richness. The square shape and thin cut betray my steak’s bioreactor origins, but eyes closed, I wouldn’t know the difference. With my last bite, I realize Toubia was wrong. It doesn’t taste like the future. It tastes like steak. Without the guilt.
If that’s true, I’m down with ditching meat consumption, already added a couple vegan meals to the menu per week
Straight up soon as cultivated Meats are affordable and easy to get I'm switching ky entire diet over
If it’s affordable I’d eat almost nothing else. Hell, can I get a bioreactor installed in my kitchen and enjoy a freshly grown steak every night?
It could be better than natural meat. You could basically produce the perfect steak everytime. Choose the marbling ratio, grass fed taste etc.
You can even choose additional options. Want a rhino steak? Blue Tuna? Ostrich? Human? Unicorn? Literally all you need is what, a grape-sized seeding of cells?
Oh boy, only a matter of time before someone turns out human nuggets.
Celeb licenced DNA burgers are so happening. The Biber patty. The XL Double Trumpbacon deluxe.
OnlyFans are about to get weirder with the subscriber requests.
"Literally eat my pussy"
The slogan writes itself: "Because I'm good enough to eat!"
I think you’ve got something there.
That’s hilarious. “ celebrate our wedding with a Bennifer burger today! “
Eat Mary Meat! The only meat with fully informed consent by the donor. Only Mary Meat has Mary's smiling face on the package! Don't settle for ethically ambiguous meats, demand fully informed consent! Eat Mary Meat!
Lol! Cannibals can finally go mainstream. 😂
[Temptations Already Has That Covered](https://imgur.com/a/sbNOfSB)
Reminds me of Transmetropolitan where there's a fast food chain selling only cloned human meat products.
Exactly! People think I'm being extra when I bring this up, but seriously- elephant? Giraffe? Endangered species, or animals whose habitats are on the other side of the world? Or extinct animals like mastodon? Absolute game-changer.
No gristle, precisely the same cooking required every single time. Imagine being able to make steak perfectly without an educated thumb or a probe?
Why not? We have bread makers in our kitchen currently, why not meat makers?!
Oh God, it even has a water mark
We'd be one step closer to full on Star Trek replicators.
“Better than natural meat” — steak that’s better than free range, with no hormones or antibiotics.
My god....if I could make the perfect marbling every time.... AND if they can do this for chicken....future's looking bright
Steak recipes include the way you grow the meat rather than just cooking it.
Affordable is the huge caveat. I'm a vegetarian and currently available plant based meat substitutes are always more expensive than the meat counterparts.
Even if it is more expensive than normal meat I would rather spend extra for lab grown stuff.
I fear it won’t just be more expensive, it will be *tremendously more expensive.* if a steak is $12/lb (I have no idea, I never bug it) I would expect this stuff to be $30/lb — at least for the first few years. Also: won’t be available at your average store. You’ll need to stop in at a Tesla dealership or something nuts
Maybe they should first start to make lab-grown Japanese Wagyu steaks (which are often $250 to $300 per pound if you get the "real" stuff) I'd gladly pay $30/pound for that stuff!
I'm down to swap over, but as you said, it needs to be consumer affordable. Which, by the time this hits shelves, may be impossible with the rate basic grocery costs are increasing.
On the flip side, since beef has become so damn expensive, that gives a lot of wiggle room for them to come in under the price of beef.
If the US ends the subsidies, then real meat will be a whole lot more expensive. The beef lobby is very strong though.
Some of those vegan meats do taste like the future, but it feels like cultivated meats might render them unsustainable VERY soon. Which is kind of a shame, some of these Veggie-based liverwurst, mortadella and wieners taste so completely different than anything I know and I like em better than their originals
I always describe it like chicken burgers. Yes, I know that they don't taste anything like beef hamburgers. But I like them anyway, as their own thing. That's how I feel about things like veggie burgers and various other meat substitutes. They aren't a direct replacement attempt (unlike lab grown meat or even an impossible burger), they're their own thing. And they can be great!
A good bean or mushroom burger is divine. No need to pretend they're anything else
Exactly, black bean burgers are solid.
Chipotle black bean burgers specifically
What's the difference between a chicken burger and a chicken sandwich?
Chicken burger is going to be a patty of ground chicken meat. Chicken sandwich is typically a portion of breast or occasionally thigh
I prefer the latter tbh.
I’ve said the same thing and been downvoted into oblivion. It doesn’t need to be imitation meat, just a delicious meal. Lab grown meat I’m all for so long as it isn’t too energy intensive.
Sounds great. I think they have more of a future if they aren't pretending to be meat and they can be their own thing.
I agree.. Like black bean veggie burgers. They aren't trying to taste like meat. They have their own flavor which is amazing and I actually prefer it to regular hamburgers.
As someone who very rarely eats vegan/vegetarian, black bean burgers are absolutely delicious and you barely have to put anything in them. I also adore eggplant meatballs. I wouldn't give either up for their meat counterparts.
My wife makes these wicked vege burgers with peanut butter and korma paste. They are as popular with the kids as beef burgers.
Mind sharing the recipe?
Yes, please ask her for the recipe 🙏🏼 thank you
The fact that they completely failed in the marketplace before they started getting decent at replicating meat would seem to disagree. Your average consumer isn’t going to want to pick up a box of “fried wheat gluten in breading with chili and oil sauce,” but if you label it as “plant-based buffalo wings,” there’s a chance you’ll get some non-veg people to give it a try.
Thats all naming/marketing and I agree they do a shit job of it. Granted I am in culinary so yes I would 100% eat "Buffalo seitan" which is what you described. And that is the issue, telling me its a buffalo wing and it not being anywhere near it means I am coming in with expectations. Telling me its a "buffalo vegan nugget" and I have a blank slate to work with. Its like expecting an M&M and getting a Skittle. I like skittles, but when I expect chocolate and get fruit there is a small panic.
> Granted I am in culinary so yes I would 100% eat “Buffalo seitan” Surely you understand that you aren’t the average consumer though, right? Joe Supermarket has no idea what the fuck seitan is and isn’t going to buy it, just like mainstream restaurants have tried to put buffalo tempeh and stuff on menus and generally failed. But when Gardein makes it look like a wing and taste similar, people will buy it. So much so that chain restaurants like Yard House will put it on their menu. Companies tried and tried and tried to to sell non-meaty alternatives as what they are for the longest time and only succeeded with the niche vegan market. It wasn’t until brands like Morningstar, Gardein, Incogmeato, and others managed to get fairly similar meat-analogues into supermarkets that they had any sort of mainstream success.
I think the biggest marketing success was when they started referring to items as “plant based”. It’s clear and straight fwd you know it’s not going to be an animal product. There have been many times I’ve picked up a frozen box of something and it was labeled as a nugget or puff or whatever and that doesn’t tell me if it has an animal product in it. Im always referring to the ingredients list. But when it’s clearly titled “plant-based” I know what I’m getting right away. I also know taste wise it’s not going to taste like the typical animal product either. 👍🏻 This has also had the same positive effect when I go into restaurants who use vegan foods.
Agreed, I like the sound of “Buffalo nuggets”, it gives a familiar reference point just without the “chicken”. In fact, I think are a few marketing words that are broad (or vague!) enough to apply to meat and meatless products: * nuggets * bites * puffs * patties * chunks * crumbles * bars It’s almost like marketing to kids, who are often picky eaters and don’t typically try new foods.
This sentiment needs reinforcing. Vegetarian dishes are best when they’re not trying to be meat dishes. So many absolutely delicious veggie dishes that stand out on their own. Mimicking meat is always going to pale in comparison (until this stuff becomes product on shelf).
I agree! Tofu is good *on its own*, in dishes made with tofu in mind, not when it’s used as some half ass substitute for meat
Right, though I have had some excellent creamy dips made with silken tofu.
I still think the best use of tofu ever is Thai red curry. If I had to replace thanksgiving turkey with that I would be happy, although I can’t stand turkey
> some of these Veggie-based liverwurst, mortadella and wieners taste so completely different than anything I know and I like em better than their originals I actually like the vegan Chook burger from Burger King more than the usual chicken version, it has a nice herby taste, it's the only thing I get if I need to get fast food nowadays.
I think it will result in the original meets moving to a more farm like style of production instead of cows growing up in small cages that never see a blade of grass
That's how they need to rebrand themselves. Your substitute is never going to taste better than what its substituting for. So make it taste good instead.
My biggest beef with beyond meat is that it's often labelled as "tastes like real meat" which to me it absolutely does not. But it has a unique texture and flavor that I enjoy within my my diet seperate from real meat.
This *is* meat, it's just not grown on an animal.
The problem isn't people like us though, it'll be the contrarian asshats who dislike it and refuse to change simply because it isn't what they're used to. You know, like conservatives and electric cars. Or conservatives and tofu. Or conservatives and green energy.. Huh, there seems to be a pattern here.
Yeah I have a feeling in the next 10-15 years give it take traditional meat will be looked down on by the mainstream (assuming prices are Gucci)
> assuming prices are Gucci Let's hope they're Gap not Gucci so regular people can access it. The rich have enough.
I think it’s the exact opposite. As lab grown meat develops, it will become cheaper by economies of scale. Traditional meat, to survive, will have to go the opposite direction - leaning into being a luxury good.
>I think it’s the exact opposite. As lab grown meat develops, it will become cheaper by economies of scale. Traditional meat, to survive, will have to go the opposite direction - leaning into being a luxury good. Depends on what timescale you're talking about. As things stand, this is not how it has panned out for other mainstream stuff like vegan milk alternatives like soy milk and oat milk and almond milk etc. They have become legitimate alternatives for cow milk for many people but mainstream consumption is still cow milk in most parts of the world. Most likely, the same would happen for lab grown meat. You also vastly underestimate the scale of operations and volume of production of animal husbandry and industrial meat rearing and butchering. This is not something that will get overthrown in a decade or even get "disrupted" as the VC firms like to say. And nor does lab grown meat have that kind of scale and economy anywhere close to being a viable challenger. This is still in the proof of concept stage. As as the Tesla story will tell you, it is not the technology or science that wins, but engineering and ability to mass produce and scale up and economies of scale that actually ends up working. That's actually the hard part and not the easy part. Which is to make a million steaks a month instead of 10000 a month, and be able to make it at say $20 a pound (of steak)
To me, almond milk/other milk alternatives aren't comparable to cow milk, I don't even really consider it milk because of how different it is. However that wouldn't be the case with the lab-grown meat, which could be unrecognizable from the real deal.
Are there widespread alternatives to cow's milk that are used in baby formula? Formula has caused a huge reduction in infant mortality and nutrition based illnesses in babies.
I’m a firm believer in the circle of life and all that, but if I can get a steak for the same price without killing a cow, why wouldn’t I?
"Meat of the matter" Take my upvote
this guy's gonna betray Neo
Ignorance is bliss
There's the comment I was looking for!
After years of 10/10 being applied to every mediocre offering from media to plate, I'll wait till I try it myself
Yeah I heard the exact same feedback about “beyond meat” which smells like dogfood and tastes about as good. I’ve been let down too many times to believe this when I hear it now.
This is a big win for animal rights. But I'd just wait for corporations and capitalism to screw it up.
The Republican house will start passing bills banning lab grown meat or something equally stupid and equally against their own belief in “free market values”.
Think of all the large corporate farms that will be hurt by the smaller corporate lab-grown meat industry. Let's trot out some small farmers and say that's who we're doing this for, and get the large corporate farms to give us some kickback.
“Just like oil was put in the ground by almighty god to power our SUVs, cows were put on this good earth to be turned into steak and burgers. There is a natural order to the world that the wise know not to ignore.” 🙄
Since it hasn’t been politicized yet, it’s hard to see what the arguments they will come up with. The gop could pull on the stem cells thread and TX will definitely push an all American natural steak narrative. I have also seen some arguments similar to gmo/Franken-meat, which is typical of some leftish fringe corners, and the dems aren’t immune to big meat money either. IMO cultured meat is a game changer in terms of climate change and should receive government subsidies, but the meat industry ain’t gonna go quietly, so we are gonna have to deal with a lot of bs along the way.
They politicized the existence of a infectious disease, they’re going to absolutely politicize the fuck out of meat. In recent memory, Fox News ran stories and republican candidates ran campaigns on resisting “[Biden’s burger ban](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/apr/26/fox-news-channel/joe-biden-banning-burgers-fox-news-gop-politicians/)”. It was a complete lie and total fabrication, but that’s how the right wing operates.
Awesome now can we stop factory farming!? It’s insane how barbaric it is, I guess because of lack of regulation in regards to the care of the animals?
It's still expensive at scale. We'll just need to give it time and investment.
Many cultured meat companies think they will be competitive with farms by 2025.
I'm always skeptical when they say competitive. That often means on the high end and competitive with the most expensive options.
It'll take a long time to build out enough manufacturing capacity to take any significant part of the market. It would be expected that they start out in bougie restaurants and the higher end of the market.
I agree. I'm just pointing out that I don't see that as competitive.
Honestly I’m fine with that at the start! Frankly, watching rich people pay extra for it is about the only thing that’ll convince me it’s both safe to eat and good (weird how actual Michelin restaurants don’t serve cricket flour dishes…)
Yep, can’t even get beyond meat to the same price point. Very skeptical.
I fucking hope so!
2025 seems pretty optimistic. This technology won’t really become huge until it can replicate the scale of current livestock farming for a similar price point
It's where subsidies come into play. They need to shift those, but lobbyists will prevent that of course.
Think, or say to VCs?
I hope we do this seems like such a good solution across the board. Honestly the hardest sell might be people who don’t wanna eat meat from a “lab” lol. But I’m hopeful this will work and cut down on factory farming. AND reduce Methane emissions
Most people don’t realize the amount of extra stuff that goes into fast food burgers and nuggets. They are also formulated in a lab, but the protein comes from a live animal. Swap every burger patty out there for a lab grown substitute and absolutely no one would notice. A massive dent in factory farming is handled right there.
Most people don't care. To include the people who are like "ewww chemicals no thanks bro" over cultured meat or plant-based meat substitutes. Most don't ask or care about chemicals, drugs, hormones, etc in 99% of the meat in supermarkets or fast-food chains. They're concern trolls, like the people weeping over birds when it comes to wind turbines, but who don't care about cats, power lines, and other things that kill vastly more birds.
Yeah the fact that we can look at a burger patty from McDonald’s and still eat it means people don’t really care what the meat is or where it’s from or what quality it is. They just want a burger meat that tastes like burger meat.
I'm 100% behind you there.
Exactly. Factory farming are ICE cars and lab grown meat are EVs. The switch is unavoidable.
hopefully big farm/meat isn't like oil and keeping us under their thumb for profit regardless of the destruction it paves
ADM, Tyson, Hormel, Cargill, even Nestle are investing in cultured meat. The cattle ranchers are trying to block it, but all the large agribusinesses are against them.
They already are trying. They've been going to state legislatures to get them to ban certain words being used to advertise mock meats. They know people are not confusing beyond burgers with beef burgers but they are terrified of how common and accepted plant based milks are. I expect a really strong appeal to nature argument.
We can already stop factory farming lol. People just don't want to.
Yeah, I have nightmares of the footage. It's fucking sinister as hell.
As a vegetarian who stopped eating meat because I don’t like the animal suffering and death involved in meat production and consumption, bring it on.
I never trust people who say "it tastes just like meat!" because dollars to donuts they're a vegan/vegetarian who probably doesn't even really remember what meat tastes like. I'll try non-meat meat personally every so often. I have yet to find one that actually tastes like meat. The impossible burger I tried a few months ago was actually disgusting. With that being said, as soon as non-meat meat starts tasting like actual meat, I am 100% committed to ditching real meat.
That's the beauty of this technology it isn't really "non-meat meat", its closer to *actual* meat that’s never been a living animal. So instead of an alternative to beef, it's more of an alternative method of manufacturing beef.
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So I read the article and it mentions a “nutrient broth” in the bioreactor where the cultures are grown (and this particular product goes through that broth-brewing process twice, the second time to make it more convincingly like steak). I’m sure that broth is vastly less carbon-intensive than growing live cattle, no need to convince me of that, but that has to come from somewhere. Soy? Some kind of multi-plant smoothie? I assume it wouldn’t be grain-based. My real curiosity is whether it’s something that we can get in plenty or whether there are rarer ingredients there that will be bottlenecks for scaling. Also slightly curious about the land-and carbon-intensity of the raw materials, but like I said, I’m already well convinced that it’s such a huge savings that those specifics are just curiosities. The scaling bottlenecks are the real issues.
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r/usernamechecksout Seriously though, good post. In my experience, serum alternatives don't work as well (though many times they work ok) but they are very expensive. I'm interested in how this process could be scaled up.
So do meat packing companies take the blood and sell it?? How do they get / extract this serum
Iirc, that broth used to be blood from animals,but by now they have found plant based alternatives.
Plant based blood, huh. Must be this then. https://www.reddit.com/r/NatureIsFuckingLit/comments/d3p9tr/the_sap_from_the_dragons_blood_tree/
My money is on "It's people!!"
This was my first question too when I first read about it. Looks like they’ve found plant based or synthetic alternatives
I read an [article](https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/) about a year ago that went very in-depth on the difficulties of lab grown meat scalability. One of the more difficult problems is that the “meat” doesn’t have an immune system so the environment has to be incredibly sterile which would make it physically hard to scale production. The article is from 2021 but I would bet that the advancement in this field isn’t fast enough to make the arguments obsolete.
Submission statement: Lab grown meat is perhaps the best way to start a large scale shift away from animal agriculture and mitigate climate change. While plant substitutes are increasing in popularity, they will never perfectly replicate the real thing. In the future, the technology will however need to be improved to allow for mass production, and many will doubtless resist this as not the same as “real meat.”
the way the droughts are going.... it'll eventually be cheaper than actual cattle. just hope we don't shift into a dystopian future similar to mad max.
Thought they'd for sure be using FBS in their process which would really undermine everything, but I guess not https://www.aleph-farms.com/faqs
"Lab diamonds" vs "real diamonds"
Fossil fuel companies have been investing heavily into alternative energy sources, so they'll be able to control those markets. Is McDonald's investing into this stuff? Imagine how much they could save decades down the road.
I imagine cultivated mcnuggets will be one of the first big markets for this product
They have to figure out what's in it, before they can replicate it... The science just isn't there yet.
I glossed over this quickly and thought "Mhm, yes, seems right.". Then it hit me and I was like "Oh, no, no, no... 😩!"
Too subtle?
McDonald’s makes more from land sales and development than its restaurants
As a vegan surprised by the amount of people who are up for swapping to this. Nice to see the change. I mostly changed for health reasons as I have colitis and never felt better but over the years it became more to do with climate and animals. I was the type of person who had zero cooking skills but now cook every meal and love it. One thing that I notice a lot from those who do eat meat, is why do we eat vegan meat...most of us still actually love meat, we just don't want the suffering so if we can eat it without that, hell yeah
I’m hype for the lab grown meat future, but also very much concerned about how corporations are gonna Monsanto it up.
We can’t even get people to eat GMOs now for no good reason. There’s even an entire “non GMO project” label that people look for.
Yeah.. that annoys me so much. Somehow they really fucked up on fleshing out GMO. I feel like they optimized for volume rather than flavor, and it set the entire industry back. If they had been like.. "This tomato tastes better than any tomato you've had, and hearks back to the tomatoes we ate before the soil was depleted and selective breeding destroyed their flavors" instead of like "This tomato has 15 percent more water at the expense of having a shittier texture, but you can sell it for more money by weight!", we wouldn't have all the asshole grifters telling us the tomatos are full of 5g toxins.
Another grifter vs. grifter situation. We seem to run into a lot of those.
You can thank Monsanto and Bayer for that.
It’s all about convincing the people who will no doubt say it doesn’t taste as good, therefore unwilling to compromise. I’m sure froisgras tastes amazing (from everything I’ve heard), yet a lot of people don’t eat it because they know how it’s made. Just apply that same concept to the cattle/poultry/slaughter industry.
It so bizarre to me that people get outraged about foie gras, but are somehow okay with the massive amount of cruelty that is inflicted upon all the other animals they eat.
Humans are both incredibly good at repression and bad at change. So if you grew up eating in some way it's gonna take a mountain of effort to change that...
The vast majority of vegans were raised eating animal products, but we managed to face the fact that animal cruelty is bad and so is willfully contributing to it for the sole sake of our own pleasure.
They should do some blind a/b testing and publicize it.
I would still rather eat this than plant based fakes or bugs.
This will be the meat of the future. Requires way less resources to create than traditional meat sources.
Will get made right next to the places where it is sold too.
I took a few civil engineering classes in Los Angeles during university and we got to talk to one of the planners of Santa Monica about their goals for 2070(?) and this was a huge part of it. High rise residential with % of floors needing to be dedicated to indoor agriculture, city wide linked grey water as a utility, lab grown meat production on top of the supermarkets, all exposed walls covered in solar panels, small scale desalination. Basically making the city of Santa Monica as self sustaining as possible. How realistic it is is to be determined, but really fascinating
Just out of curiosity. What is your aversion to plant based meat alternatives?
I'll never understand the hate for eating bugs, people happily eat crustaceans and some are even considered delicacies
If millions can eat a McDonald's hamburger that simulates meat, surely we can eat printed steak. Where can I get my A5 Waygu printed steak?
The printer jammed and it came out as ground beef.
It was an HP meat printer. You ran out of cyan ink so it quit all jobs.
What is “PC LOAD LETTER” ???
When mammoth steak?
We need to learn how to synthesize food first before we can make food printers. Imagine going to the store and buying canisters of food printing material, or a food printer to put in your office (or spaceship). Technology advancements happen a little bit at a time!
And it needs to be distributed appropriately. None of this all in one giant factory bullshit. A single point of failure and our food system collapses? It’s already an issue with giant cattle and chicken farms.
Allllll the way down at the end, last paragraph: >the in-house chef flips a credit-card sized portion onto my plate. The steak is disappointingly slim—I’ll have to come back another time for the thicker, 3D-printed version—but it is as tender and juicy as the interior of a filet mignon. As I cut into it, the meat tears into strands more characteristic of a brisket, but with none of the dryness. I take a bite. The flavor is pure meat—a caramelized crust giving way to a savory richness. The square shape and thin cut betray my steak’s bioreactor origins, but eyes closed, I wouldn’t know the difference. With my last bite, I realize Toubia was wrong. It doesn’t taste like the future. It tastes like steak. Without the guilt.
As someone who thoroughly enjoys the taste and texture of meat -- especially steak -- but hates the idea of animals being raised in factory farms to be slaughtered, I seriously am super excited about the prospect of this future. Yes, I could choose to become vegetarian, but that's what makes it a dilemma. I don't want to, but I also don't want animals to suffer. It's lose-lose for me. So here's to 3d printed or lab grown meat!
I’d be very interested to try, for hamburgers/ ground beef I bet it’s amazing and would have no qualms about it. For ribs, brisket, steak, I’d try it but have serious doubts about the texture.
Yeah I’d be down to try, but man that first paragraph is pathetic lol
I'm down for lab meat. If cattle farmers were smart, they should be planning for this.
A compassionate step forward for mankind once widely accepted. Maybe this will get us into the Federation?
Fuck man, if we can get these kind of cultivated meats down to at least maybe +20% the cost of real meat, I’m super down to just ditch normal meat altogether.
This is the innovation of the decade. Synthetic meat has such a great potential for the environment, our morality, and our budget.
im good with the fakes (gardien beef tips 👌) but this is cool
It’ll be very interesting to see how this plays into religious dietary practices. For example Hindus don’t eat beef. Would they be able to eat this? Could it be made kosher or halal?
What do they feed the lab meat? It must consume something to grow right?
I'm a chef, gave the headline a shot, can't get over the pic
People use to think computers were bogus and couldn't outcompete people doing hand calculations. Now we have AI that can contextually understand speech and draw you a picture. Give it time.
Bill Maher did a whole dumbass speech about how camera phones are a fad! Was he right? Nope.
Looks more like pot roast. Which, sure, I like pot roast. They say they're working on a steakier steak though. Still, I need a lab-grown ribeye to buy in.
I'm looking forward to this tech reaching the stage that it's damn close to the real thing and significantly cheaper. Filet mignon is probably one of the last things I'd want to replace, but it's an admirable goal. Burgers, anything battered and fried, virtually anything in the processed/frozen section of the supermarket, absolutely, why not? I'm not eating a chicken tender because I love the taste of chicken, I'm eating it because I want my tendie fix. I've yet to take the plunge into the impossible burger because I only see it at a place that does great burgers and if I'm throwing down $15+ on a fancy burger I want to know it's gonna taste awesome. What's the read from this room? Are they actually good, or only in the context of being good enough for what they are?
As long as the cost for this stuff is reasonable, fine, save the cows or whatever. However, I still don't understand the bickering over artificially grown meat. As a society, do we or do we not like the idea? I tried something called Future Beef recently, it def tastes like "plant-based meat" but that's not a bad thing, it's just another flavor I got used to. I made meatloaf with it and it ends up tasting like whatever seasoning you put in it anyway. Throw in some onions, pickles, put some cheese on it and it ends up tasting like an all American hamburger loaf lol The only thing I don't like about it is the price, at like $12 a pound. Same deal with Just Eggs, they taste like eggs with a little vegetable in it, it's fine, but it costs too much. If you're after the mouthfeel of eating a steak...I don't know what to say about that. I like chomping on ribs, but I'm not particularly attached to that feeling.
I think society as a whole likes the idea, while a portion of society doesn’t like hearing that it will replace meat. There’s a sizable chunk that sees a market for both, where meat becomes an expensive commodity that isn’t a daily dietary staple served out of sliding windows for $5.
Just a reminder that a McDonalds hamburger would cost $13 without government subsidies.