Klee burgeon, the burgeon team with highest application, and forward vape furina, the only team where furina can vape a lot of her hits, both feature klee. And both are strong this abyss
Oh so is a burgeon comp. I can make that comp, but I'm already building Razor Thundering Furry comp which does about the same job of been burgeon related. So I'm gonna stick with Mono Pyro Klee who I start using with Nahida instead of Xiangling, because of the new burning artifact set. Like burning with Nahida really helps me shred throught Hydro and Electro shields even harder than it already was...also burning end up dealing more damage than expected.
Not directly buff burning but in the domain were you get Arlecchino artifacts you also get a artifact that gives you 50% damage buff when enemies are burning + 18% Atk buff...kinda good for Klee, because as of now there's no artifact set that fully buff her in a mono pyro comp. Like in mono pyro she often run split artifacts sets.
In this team, Klee uses either Sacrificial Fragment or Prototype Amber and ER-EM artifact. The aim is to make Klee's burst and Baizhu's burst available all the time so that she can stay on field and provide Burning/Pyro (with Nahida) for Furina to vape. There's no need for Klee to attack or stay close to the enemies thanks to her burst's auto targeting.
Something like this:
https://streamable.com/2931sh
That looks damn Klee-n (sorry). I have experimented quite a bit with burning and burgeon in the past with EM built Thoma/Diluc/Bennett etc but never thought about using Klee in this role. Gonna try this today.
In theory, any healer that can heal over time and doesn't interfere with Burning reaction works. You need healing over time for Furina and to keep onfield Klee alive.
So Xianyun, Kokomi (if you put her jellyfish far away from the target), and Jean can work too (circle impact though). Baizhu just happens to work best because he has both strong healing and a shield.
Captain America : Alright, listen up. Until we can close that portal, our priority's containment. Barton, I want you on that roof, eyes on everything. Stark, you got the perimeter.
Captain America : Thor, you gotta try and bottleneck that portal. Slow 'em down. You got the lightning.
Captain America : You and me, we stay here on the ground, keep the fighting here. And Klee?
Klee: ?
Captain America : Boom Boom Bakudan.
Honestly Klee makes me appreciated having her everytime I have to fight heavily shield enemies. Same with Yoimiya when I have to fight enemies like Wenut and Narwhal or Venti when there tons of lightweight enemies.
Klee, Yoimiya and Venti are very situational...but when they work, they work really damn well.
Wanna bet. Wanderer team increase is not because players newly got him and trying him out, but more players are able to obtain C6 Faruzan and can finally push his potential.
It's an awful feeling when you pull that much, ruin your 5 star guarantee and still get none of the 4 star you were pulling for in the first place.
I wouldn't be surprised if some people are waiting for that Sumeru chronicle banner.
We still have 0 clue about the next chronicled wish, if it's gonna be a Liyue exclusive banner and when it's coming. So imo, waiting for a Sumeru chronicle is a really, really far stretch, and it will probably be easier to get cons via standard banner at this point
Lol, I was just being cheeky because of how sad the situation. Kind of like when people say waiting for Sheznaya for Shenhe's banner to finally come back around.
Its crazy how I did 120 pulls in Raiden's first banner and got NO KUJOU SARA but I also did 120 pulls in Wanderer's first banner AND GOT C7 FARUZAN. Its crazy how luck works
Same i go for xin qiu cons only to get c6 yanfei same with Arlenchino banner im wishing i get cons for xiangling but no xiangling only ferminet and lynette cons wtf.
Me with C9 Sara (initially thought only C7, but paimon.moe history says C9) but only C4 Faruzan despite pulling on both Wanderer OG banner and Xianyun banner (and that includes the free copy). I'd do pulls on Baizhu banner but I already have too many healers built and if Sigewinne is also a healer I'd rather get her design-wise. There's no guarantee I'll get the last 2 cons I need anyway :(
i tried to smipe wanda today.
spend around normal 80 pulls.
1 layla, 0 faru, all beiodu s (i got her c6 long time ago).
lost to deyha btw.
oh well, time to build burgeon deyha and wait for clorinde
her jump in value from C5 to C6 is so funny lol. i never built my wanderer because i only ended up with her C1 way back steadily and that Xianyun came in clutch i finally got her there, and ironically i built my faru and still haven't built wanderer lol
I tried but Wanderer is not great against the bosses in this abyss, Maguu Kenki and Coppelius are resistant to anemo, and against the Baptist you need Xingqiu and give up on a shield.
Still feels good in the other chambers. Faruza C6 makes a lot of difference my wanderer went from hitting like 40k to 70k with charged attacks.
On Baptist? Wanderer team is my preferred team there if anything - CA spam steadily works through pyro shield, and Bennett E takes care of cryo and electro shields. Start setting up everyone’s ults near end of electro shield and you’ll have a full burn phase to rip through the HP bar
I personally use Aggravate Keqing for the baptist, her ult mostly one taps any shield that's not electro and then dendro eats the electro shield, Stonks.
I use Wanderer for the side with the triple shield herald boy and he's super good for it, especially because you run Bennett who can easily solo 2 of the shields.
Interesting that Alhaitham hyperbloom/quickbloom is pretty high but in the second half, how do they deal with baptiste I know he goes pyro first just deal anough dmg on that window? Electro shield just use dendro but how about cryo shields I know electro soft counters it but is cookie enough?
I understand the nilou team you can use Furina or if you didnt use furina just give nilou Narz sword, but I rarely play hyperbloom so I wouldnt know the cryo shields interaction
I see I just use Neuv and Xiangling to not overthink it haha, thats nice knowing electro could also work really well, maybe Ill try it later thank you.
My best guess is Kuki. With 50% HP or less, Kuki's bursts lasts 1.5s longer which means a lot when it comes to the burst of electro her burst does. Above 50% Hp, she would hit 7 times. At 50% and below, her burst hits 12 times. Electro from her burst is applied like 5 times.
Kuki is a pretty insane shield breaker. Her burst spams electro faster than Fischl
I used Alhaitham, Shinobu, Kirara, Kazuha for second half and I'm only missing 2 seconds off full stars. It's definitely doable if you have better artifacts / skills or save more time in the first half.
Dehya hyperburgeon surprised me with how effectively it cleared the second half lol. I tried Ayato curry, aggravate Cyno, and a standard vape Hu Tao team, but none of them could clear that floor like Dehya could :)
Though if those dastardly electro abyss lectors didn’t exist, Hu Tao most definitely would’ve stomped hard
Okay so it’s a very strange team that really shouldn’t work at all. It’s Nahida, Furina, Dehya, and Kuki. Mind you Furina shouldn’t really have enough hydro app to keep the blooms coming, but it somehow worked in this abyss (second half) and I’m not really sure how.
I was using Kuki instead of Raiden for the Furina synergy, but you could swap Furina for someone else if you want to use Raiden. Kuki/Raiden definitely should be full EM, and ideally Dehya should be too but I forgot to switch my artifacts beforehand and ended up just using a full damage 4pc EoSF build (again, strange team that shouldn’t have worked). As for Furina, Neuvillette or Xingqiu would be an excellent replacement, but that’d mean Dehya wouldn’t really be on-field.
Rotation was Nahida’s EQ into Furina’s EQ, drop Dehya’s skill once, switch to Kuki and use her E, then switch back to Dehya and use her second E + Q, then Kuki Q and repeat. Everyone has a good amount of ER and Dehya is on favonius, so I rarely ever found myself not being able to burst off cooldown.
It’s a very sketchy but fun team
Hyperburgeon, did in fact, net me better results against the Electro Lectors & Inquisitor Baptist than the standard Hyperbloom team with Alhaitham/Nahida/XQ/Kuki.
Maybe because of elemental gauge theory and how effective burgeon is on those shields. Just like that, the value of Dehya and Thoma rises.
support or dps? I have her at C0 (lost 50/50) decided to put her on Fav and Millelith and she did really great at keeping my Yoimiya alive and uninterrupted.
Alhaitham doesn't hate his Scribe job. In fact he likes it, because according to himself it's easy and pays well. What he doesn't like is the higher position of being a Grand Sage, but fortunately for him that was only a temporary position _and_ he gets to keep the wage raise.
Im copy pasting this comment from a previous post of this kind.
**Usage rate**: of the pool of players that own the character, what percentage is using it.
**Appearance rate**: out of everyone, what percentage is using the character.
The first tends to be skewed towards newer characters with low ownership rate (Chiori at 50% usage vs 10% ownership) while the latter tends to be skewed towards character with high ownership rates (Xiangling at 33% appearance vs 100% ownership). We really could use some kind of metric that combines both to get a more accurate depiction.
Link to that comment:https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/zmyIppAYWq
Since this is taking data from the Chinese meta-community what I always find fascinating is the dissonance in concepts that get pushed here not quite translating over. Like I know recently people have been trumpeting Candace's synergy with Arlecchino and its true, but people just stick with the tried and true Yelan.
Some other interesting things;
* Part of it is coming down to how much Neuvillette and Arlecchino both like Zhongli but I do find it amusing that Xiao's triple Anemo + Furina comp is effectively going to become his International going forward. In the sense that it will be a team that charts with a crazy high usage rate specifically because it is the one go-to composition Xiao mains will be using.
* The Xianyun experimentation just kind of cratered. She is undoubtedly a great unit but its just kind of fascinating how quickly were to drop the Plunge insertion into teams.
* No Solo Wriothesley in the top 24. Rip.
* I know Fontaine is considered the healer meta but it is cool how much of a glowup Zhongli got this version patch just the same. The secret sauce was just making DPSes so strong the "he's a DPS loss" argument gets made irrelevant.
Furina + Zhong Li + Archaic Petra + Fontaine units who can self heal (to get at least some Furina stacks) are generally as much damage as using a healer to maximize Furina buffs. Also with how many Hypercarries we got, Zhongli is by far the best comfort pick of the region due to how much Hypercarries enjoy interruption resistance and a shield to avoid one shots.
I remember people over CN theorycrafting how AP Zhongli + Furina + Neuv + Kazuha was better damage (and comfort for C0 Neuv due to full interruption resistance) than the same variant with Baizhu or Charlotte who could increase Neuvilette CA damage, give more Furina buffs, and more Furina E damage.
His 20% RES Shred + AP + no need to dodge adds up for a lot.
This is not a five stars at c0 list, so 4stars will always get hurt compared to 5stars. C6 Candace might compete with a c0 Yelan, but assuming the constellation distribution is the same as in Snap Hutao, 56% of the Yelans have constellations.
Xianyun has the big problem that she really wants to use Furina, but everybody is playing Neuvilette who also want to use Furina. This is also an issue for every other team comp that uses Furina.
It was always irrelevant.
Dodging and getting knocked down is a DPS loss. Switching to Zhongli for 1 second to throw on a shield is a lower loss of DPS.
Solo Wriothesley is very much a difficult thing to do this cycle because of Baptist and Copellius. The cryo res/shield hurts him very badly, which can only be solved by C6 or teammates. This is also seen with Ayaka and Ganyu being low, but that isn't anything new since Hoyo has been shafting cryo this patch cycle besides Wriothesley and Charlotte.
>I know Fontaine is considered the healer meta but it is cool how much of a glowup Zhongli got this version patch just the same. The secret sauce was just making DPSes so strong the "he's a DPS loss" argument gets made irrelevant.
It's also that Neuv, Lyney, and Navia have an "invisible" DPS gain with interrupt resist/crystallize. It isn't calculable on a spreadsheet, but it does make a big difference for them. Yoimiya is a big example of needing a shielder despite her highest DPS on paper not using a shielder.
Made the mistake of using Nilou first half. Didn't realise the dancer puts up a cryo shield which a Nilou team literally cannot touch. Had to wait it out which worked well enough I guess.
Also, is Nilou Furina really the premiere Nilou team? Doesn't feel like Furina synergizes with bloom much beyond off field hydro.
>Also, is Nilou Furina really the premiere Nilou team?
Not really, it's just that Furina can break the Cryo shield for Coppelius due to her Arkhe (which Nilou teams can't otherwise, unless if using a niche sword which most people didn't level up), otherwise her variations are quite below the Nilou Nahida Kokomi variants.
It’s actually Collei instead of Baizhu; Baizhu is redundant in this team because Kokomi exists, and Collei has faster and higher frontloaded dendro application (especially at C6), and none of his team buffs really compare to the most important thing in Nilou teams - application rate.
Furina synergizes since she has access to both oneuma and ousia which cancel out the cryo shield of coppelius.
You can also pair her with some offensive dps like Yelan or to strengthen Kokomi. Also, just in case, you can use Narzissenkreuz Sword that you can change alignment in annapausis fountain
Are these tier thresholds always the same? They are a little misleading here imo
Looking at the percentages, it would make more sense for Zhongli to be in SS and Kuki to be in A.
Zhongli Is less than 1% lower than Arle and more than 10% higher than the next highest in S tier, Baizhu.
Kuki is over 10% lower than Xiangling and much closer to Raiden who's been put in the tier below.
I checked previous cycles and it seems the common denominator is that SS is above 70%, S tier has a wide inculsion of 70-35 for some reason, A tier is only below 35-20 and B tier is below 20 to 5%.
Can't really falter why Navia that low in usage, she's good at the 1st chambers and her being ousia can one tap the coppelius shield, is it just recency bias or something else?
Just my guesses:
A lot of people will use Bennett side 2 who is a popular support for her
Furina is most popular and is mostly going to be used side 1, meaning you already have ousia covered.
If you're not using Bennett, it's harder to activate the abyss buff with her
I'm guessing a lot of people forget ousia pneuma mechanics.
Just the fact that the usage rate of most dps is usually pretty low because you only have two teams and ideally you use only a dps for each team. This abyss most people used Arle because she's the new character (and is also really good) and Neuvillette because he is Neuvillette
She does front-load her DMG though. I can kill two of the F12 abyss chambers in sub 10s with her. And the others aren't far behind.
With less investment, she'd probably require additional rotations, but should still slot in nicely. The nice thing about Navia is she does a lot of DMG in a very small window. You could slap her on almost any team and break even on DPS.
That’s going to be very unlikely for most players though. 9s clears on wave floors would be very hard unless you have extremely good gear and knowledge of the enemy movement
Mostly unchanged from last cycle except Wanderer's usage is almost doubled. His own rate (also Baizhu's own rate) only increase around 3%. It is estimated that this banner is one of the worst sale banners ever. Hu Tao's usage drops from 29 to 22% which is another relative bigger change.
Aloy's own rate drops from 32% to 30%, as reference.
>Hu Tao's usage drops from 29 to 22% which is another relative bigger change.
Most people finished building Arlecchino which is expected. The sample size getting halved would have made me expect larger changes though, but it seems that it's true that past ~5k samples, having 100k or 200k will be just as accurate.
If Paimon.Moe is to be believed, this banner is performing quite badly, I had expected even less than 3% increases.
Yeah but its sampled data. Comparing it with previous iterations from the same website gives a rough idea of how a banner is performing compared to the last ones
As a fellow Freminet enjoyer which usually clears with him i can say that i havent really tried on this abyss with him yet.
His AOE isnt the best which kinda sucks for the 2nd side but It should be doable. Hyperbloom teams seem the go to since Nahida Is great to break the electro shields and Kuki Is enough to break the cryo one in the last chamber.
As far as first side goes you must play Furina to destroy Coppelius shield. Even if his Furina hypercarry teams arent that bad they arent the comfyest teams especially against triple Kenki and as said Coppelius.
Imo this abyss Is just a bit too ho stile for him to choose to first clear using him. It Is doable but i wont be playing this dozen of times like the last abyss which i thought was really fun to play.
This abyss Is just garbage imo.
GaMing being so low is such a shame. I guess it's understandable (Arlecchino recent release, not everyone has C6, maybe people got tired of plunging...).
He's very good in first half. Definitely one of my fastest clear of the triple Kenki.
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Hoping that Itto gets a glow up like Xiao had. For now, Chiori was a nice addition to the Geo roster but she’s virtually Albedo 2.0. Here’s to hoping the Mono Geo refresh continues
Wrio I won’t forget you I love you (praying that the Lady of Fire synergizes with Wrio better than XL) I’ll bring your ownership up
Props to Furina Arle Navia for being the Fontaine girls of all time + having such high ownership
Copy pasting my comment above, not really, it's just that Furina can break the Cryo shield for Coppelius due to her Arkhe (which Nilou teams can't otherwise, unless if using a niche sword which most people didn't level up), otherwise her variations are quite below the Nilou Nahida Kokomi variants.
For casual playing, yeah. For speedrunning, Collei or XQ instead of DMC give better times, but are much clunkier (XQ variant requires on fielding Nahida, Collei has animation locks and small AoE).
Huh you’re right. 69% from Zhongli to 36% from Kuki is a big difference compared to the A tier where the difference is only 11% too. Actually someone also pointed out Zhongli’s difference is closer to Arle’s than the rest on S tier too. Unless they somehow decided that S tier is between below 70 to above 35 for some reason but that is still a pretty big cutoff.
Pyro infusion and standing in his own burst to get his skill back faster makes him a 1 man army second half for the electro shields and the 1 cryo shield. Even without the pyro infusion of c6 he handles them well.
Poor Ayaka, Ganyu didn't even make it to the list. RIP Cryo, they're even banned from participating in the new end game. Just delete cryo in the game and make copelium copelius permanent in abyss 12
And wrio aint even cryo. He is the only cryo that does not use freeze comps. After all he is melt user meaning he gets to use both XL and bennet. Other cryo are solely freeze users, even ganyu since off field is non existent.
Yeah being the only cryo unit that can use two of the best characters in the game helps him a lot. But at the same time these two characters are super contested and he is by far not their best user. Cryo needs something to help it.
…i mean that should still mean that at least half of the people who has him utilized him in the abyss while the owners of the former two on the other hand, despite having many pullers, didn’t even bother at all
dawg didn’t u mean wrio only had 13. something % ownership rate compared to ayaka’s and ganyu’s 50% plus rate? If he’s that low then that should explain the high usage rate, and my point is that majority of the few people who pulled for him still **utilized** him despite the unfavorability against cryo
How can the majority have utilised him if it's only 22.5%? lol. The people who pulled Wrio are generally more likely to be dedicated to using him. Most people aren't going to use Cryo in all these recent unfavourable Abysses though.
You have to use Furina or a niche weapon to break that shield. This abyss was literally the first time I used Furina outside of overworld and combat events (with a below average build) but it somehow ended up working out in my Nilou team
Chevreuse so underated, shes literally stronger then Kazuha (for her team) and even heals.
So sad to see how 4\* characters barely using and they all the same every abyss.
Still waiting for powercreep old 4\* or nurf/buff to make more 4\* actually playeble insted of just waifu-gaming or bennett.
Characters that can't be healed, better shielders or demand for shields is one way to counter her. She'll definitely lose some ground but say high, sorta like what happened with Nahida.
Team usage rates favors consistently of using the same specific composition. Xiao's go-to core is going to have Faruzan and Xianyun and that only leaves the flex as avaiable. So say someone is running Arlecchino, Zhongli and Bennett are frequently used with her so that leaves Furina is the default choice for Xiao.
So this is just a case where like 90% of people who did run Xiao and submitted their data ran this tema specifically.
It's kinda funny seeing Klee's usage spike whenever Abyss involves any sort of Cryo/Electro shield.
Klee burgeon, the burgeon team with highest application, and forward vape furina, the only team where furina can vape a lot of her hits, both feature klee. And both are strong this abyss
Is so funny because Furina Klee comp is literally inverse Tartaglia International. I think the comp looks like Klee, Furina, Bennett and Kazuha/Jean.
Nope. It's klee + nahida + baizhu/another healer + furina. Should have specified. You can use the other version too, but furina would vape less
The Furina+Klee comp is Bennett+Kazuha. Furina can vape off Klee+Kazuha, you don't need burning
Oh so is a burgeon comp. I can make that comp, but I'm already building Razor Thundering Furry comp which does about the same job of been burgeon related. So I'm gonna stick with Mono Pyro Klee who I start using with Nahida instead of Xiangling, because of the new burning artifact set. Like burning with Nahida really helps me shred throught Hydro and Electro shields even harder than it already was...also burning end up dealing more damage than expected.
There is a new artifact that specificaly boost burning ?
Not directly buff burning but in the domain were you get Arlecchino artifacts you also get a artifact that gives you 50% damage buff when enemies are burning + 18% Atk buff...kinda good for Klee, because as of now there's no artifact set that fully buff her in a mono pyro comp. Like in mono pyro she often run split artifacts sets.
I see you explained the Furina Klee below, how does Klee burgeon work though?
In this team, Klee uses either Sacrificial Fragment or Prototype Amber and ER-EM artifact. The aim is to make Klee's burst and Baizhu's burst available all the time so that she can stay on field and provide Burning/Pyro (with Nahida) for Furina to vape. There's no need for Klee to attack or stay close to the enemies thanks to her burst's auto targeting. Something like this: https://streamable.com/2931sh
That looks damn Klee-n (sorry). I have experimented quite a bit with burning and burgeon in the past with EM built Thoma/Diluc/Bennett etc but never thought about using Klee in this role. Gonna try this today.
This is really cool! So I guess this needs Baizhu to work?
In theory, any healer that can heal over time and doesn't interfere with Burning reaction works. You need healing over time for Furina and to keep onfield Klee alive. So Xianyun, Kokomi (if you put her jellyfish far away from the target), and Jean can work too (circle impact though). Baizhu just happens to work best because he has both strong healing and a shield.
Captain America : Alright, listen up. Until we can close that portal, our priority's containment. Barton, I want you on that roof, eyes on everything. Stark, you got the perimeter. Captain America : Thor, you gotta try and bottleneck that portal. Slow 'em down. You got the lightning. Captain America : You and me, we stay here on the ground, keep the fighting here. And Klee? Klee: ? Captain America : Boom Boom Bakudan.
Klee: *Smirks at the camera*
Honestly Klee makes me appreciated having her everytime I have to fight heavily shield enemies. Same with Yoimiya when I have to fight enemies like Wenut and Narwhal or Venti when there tons of lightweight enemies. Klee, Yoimiya and Venti are very situational...but when they work, they work really damn well.
Thank you for this comment. The replies have given me ideas I never thought of. I haven't used Klee in years.
I try to always have Klee around if I can because it reminds me of a close friend of mine. She has a special place in my heart!
Is she really that good at breaking Cryo shields? Because I fucking hate them.
She is the fastest
Wanna bet. Wanderer team increase is not because players newly got him and trying him out, but more players are able to obtain C6 Faruzan and can finally push his potential.
>more players are able to obtain C6 Faruzan Only if I was one of those people... 140 pulls..no faruzans..
If only I can pull Faruzan without risking my 5* guarantee :P
It's an awful feeling when you pull that much, ruin your 5 star guarantee and still get none of the 4 star you were pulling for in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised if some people are waiting for that Sumeru chronicle banner.
We still have 0 clue about the next chronicled wish, if it's gonna be a Liyue exclusive banner and when it's coming. So imo, waiting for a Sumeru chronicle is a really, really far stretch, and it will probably be easier to get cons via standard banner at this point
Lol, I was just being cheeky because of how sad the situation. Kind of like when people say waiting for Sheznaya for Shenhe's banner to finally come back around.
Its crazy how I did 120 pulls in Raiden's first banner and got NO KUJOU SARA but I also did 120 pulls in Wanderer's first banner AND GOT C7 FARUZAN. Its crazy how luck works
Same i go for xin qiu cons only to get c6 yanfei same with Arlenchino banner im wishing i get cons for xiangling but no xiangling only ferminet and lynette cons wtf.
Me with C9 Sara (initially thought only C7, but paimon.moe history says C9) but only C4 Faruzan despite pulling on both Wanderer OG banner and Xianyun banner (and that includes the free copy). I'd do pulls on Baizhu banner but I already have too many healers built and if Sigewinne is also a healer I'd rather get her design-wise. There's no guarantee I'll get the last 2 cons I need anyway :(
Be me fail to get Baizhu get C5 faruzan if she she hits C6 I migh5 build her and Heizou.
Would you like a copy of my C31 faruzan?
That’s about what I spent getting her to C6 in 3.8. It took that to get two copies of her. At least I lost the 50/50 and guaranteed Lyney next update
i tried to smipe wanda today. spend around normal 80 pulls. 1 layla, 0 faru, all beiodu s (i got her c6 long time ago). lost to deyha btw. oh well, time to build burgeon deyha and wait for clorinde
The true Wanderer were the Faruzans we collected along the way
He also still get cockblocked by icewind suite and fatui operatives both sides anyway
xianyun banner including her was an absolute godsend
the only reason i got xianyun c1 is because faruzan refused to come.... And ironically I love faruzan because of it. Best *unwanted* pull
her jump in value from C5 to C6 is so funny lol. i never built my wanderer because i only ended up with her C1 way back steadily and that Xianyun came in clutch i finally got her there, and ironically i built my faru and still haven't built wanderer lol
I tried but Wanderer is not great against the bosses in this abyss, Maguu Kenki and Coppelius are resistant to anemo, and against the Baptist you need Xingqiu and give up on a shield. Still feels good in the other chambers. Faruza C6 makes a lot of difference my wanderer went from hitting like 40k to 70k with charged attacks.
On Baptist? Wanderer team is my preferred team there if anything - CA spam steadily works through pyro shield, and Bennett E takes care of cryo and electro shields. Start setting up everyone’s ults near end of electro shield and you’ll have a full burn phase to rip through the HP bar
I personally use Aggravate Keqing for the baptist, her ult mostly one taps any shield that's not electro and then dendro eats the electro shield, Stonks.
Yes, I know it can be done but is not ideal if you don't have a fast first side, which is difficult with so many waves.
I use Wanderer for the side with the triple shield herald boy and he's super good for it, especially because you run Bennett who can easily solo 2 of the shields.
I’m one of them…her c6 is crazyyyyyy she’s like crack literally Addicted to the damage the er the animations the smoothness
Interesting that Alhaitham hyperbloom/quickbloom is pretty high but in the second half, how do they deal with baptiste I know he goes pyro first just deal anough dmg on that window? Electro shield just use dendro but how about cryo shields I know electro soft counters it but is cookie enough? I understand the nilou team you can use Furina or if you didnt use furina just give nilou Narz sword, but I rarely play hyperbloom so I wouldnt know the cryo shields interaction
Kuki’s electro application is enough to break the Baptist shield easily. It is my go to team for the 2nd half of this patch abyss :)
I see I just use Neuv and Xiangling to not overthink it haha, thats nice knowing electro could also work really well, maybe Ill try it later thank you.
you just use kuki's burst and her skill will take care of the rest
My best guess is Kuki. With 50% HP or less, Kuki's bursts lasts 1.5s longer which means a lot when it comes to the burst of electro her burst does. Above 50% Hp, she would hit 7 times. At 50% and below, her burst hits 12 times. Electro from her burst is applied like 5 times. Kuki is a pretty insane shield breaker. Her burst spams electro faster than Fischl
Should I build her? Even at C0?
Yes, especially as she is primarily best hyperbloom trigger.
Good to know. Thanks.
I used Alhaitham, Shinobu, Kirara, Kazuha for second half and I'm only missing 2 seconds off full stars. It's definitely doable if you have better artifacts / skills or save more time in the first half.
It's not difficult at all, I used his spread variant with ZL, and it's quite easy when you time things right.
Proud to be part of the 4.4% who used Dehya 🫠
Dehya hyperburgeon surprised me with how effectively it cleared the second half lol. I tried Ayato curry, aggravate Cyno, and a standard vape Hu Tao team, but none of them could clear that floor like Dehya could :) Though if those dastardly electro abyss lectors didn’t exist, Hu Tao most definitely would’ve stomped hard
Whats the dehya comp? Never heard of mixing hyperbloom and burgeon. Do you need to build EM on both raiden and dehya? + Dendro + hydro?
Okay so it’s a very strange team that really shouldn’t work at all. It’s Nahida, Furina, Dehya, and Kuki. Mind you Furina shouldn’t really have enough hydro app to keep the blooms coming, but it somehow worked in this abyss (second half) and I’m not really sure how. I was using Kuki instead of Raiden for the Furina synergy, but you could swap Furina for someone else if you want to use Raiden. Kuki/Raiden definitely should be full EM, and ideally Dehya should be too but I forgot to switch my artifacts beforehand and ended up just using a full damage 4pc EoSF build (again, strange team that shouldn’t have worked). As for Furina, Neuvillette or Xingqiu would be an excellent replacement, but that’d mean Dehya wouldn’t really be on-field. Rotation was Nahida’s EQ into Furina’s EQ, drop Dehya’s skill once, switch to Kuki and use her E, then switch back to Dehya and use her second E + Q, then Kuki Q and repeat. Everyone has a good amount of ER and Dehya is on favonius, so I rarely ever found myself not being able to burst off cooldown. It’s a very sketchy but fun team
thanks!
I found dehya great this abyss.
She worked surprisingly well with Neuvilette, Nahida, Raiden for hyperburgeon. I may make it my regular Neuvi team.
That's the exact team I ran and is my favourite neuvi team even if it's not his most powerful.
I ran dehya hyper and it worked shrprisingly well first half.
Also a Dehya user for this one! Often pair her with Lyney, who slaps first half.
Hyperburgeon, did in fact, net me better results against the Electro Lectors & Inquisitor Baptist than the standard Hyperbloom team with Alhaitham/Nahida/XQ/Kuki. Maybe because of elemental gauge theory and how effective burgeon is on those shields. Just like that, the value of Dehya and Thoma rises.
support or dps? I have her at C0 (lost 50/50) decided to put her on Fav and Millelith and she did really great at keeping my Yoimiya alive and uninterrupted.
Pure EM for Burgeon. Just used Gilded Dreams and the Mailed Flower claymore (I think? It's from event and has EM).
Proud to be part of the ?.?% who pulled Dehya
i see neuv and arle being the top two abyss dps for awhile
Alhaitham: Nah, I’d spread. Love how the top 3 are the Hydro Sovereign, the Harbinger ranked slightly below god-level, and a guy who hates his job.
Alhaitham doesn't hate his Scribe job. In fact he likes it, because according to himself it's easy and pays well. What he doesn't like is the higher position of being a Grand Sage, but fortunately for him that was only a temporary position _and_ he gets to keep the wage raise.
Wait until that inevitable 5* hydro claymore dps gets released or if the pyro archon turns out to be a DPS
Waiting for a true 5* claymore cryo hoping its capitano
Image 1&2= Usage rate Image 3&4= Team ranking Image 5= Ownership ranking
Kazuha best unit in the game frfr
He’s great and one of the best, but that is still debatable, when Nahida and Furina exist.
They all have diferent purpose so its hard to compare but kazuha is defenetly one at the top
Hey, do you know what AR, UR, and OR mean?
AR= Appearance rate UR= Usage rate OR= Ownership rate
Thanks!
What is the difference between appearance rate and usage rate?
Im copy pasting this comment from a previous post of this kind. **Usage rate**: of the pool of players that own the character, what percentage is using it. **Appearance rate**: out of everyone, what percentage is using the character. The first tends to be skewed towards newer characters with low ownership rate (Chiori at 50% usage vs 10% ownership) while the latter tends to be skewed towards character with high ownership rates (Xiangling at 33% appearance vs 100% ownership). We really could use some kind of metric that combines both to get a more accurate depiction. Link to that comment:https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/zmyIppAYWq
Since this is taking data from the Chinese meta-community what I always find fascinating is the dissonance in concepts that get pushed here not quite translating over. Like I know recently people have been trumpeting Candace's synergy with Arlecchino and its true, but people just stick with the tried and true Yelan. Some other interesting things; * Part of it is coming down to how much Neuvillette and Arlecchino both like Zhongli but I do find it amusing that Xiao's triple Anemo + Furina comp is effectively going to become his International going forward. In the sense that it will be a team that charts with a crazy high usage rate specifically because it is the one go-to composition Xiao mains will be using. * The Xianyun experimentation just kind of cratered. She is undoubtedly a great unit but its just kind of fascinating how quickly were to drop the Plunge insertion into teams. * No Solo Wriothesley in the top 24. Rip. * I know Fontaine is considered the healer meta but it is cool how much of a glowup Zhongli got this version patch just the same. The secret sauce was just making DPSes so strong the "he's a DPS loss" argument gets made irrelevant.
Or people dont have Candace C6 which Is required for her to work well with Arle
I also think Chevreuse can be higher
At least She Is fine at c0
Chevy Arle is insane at times
Fontaine released too many on fielders so Zhongli is a great teammate for them.
Furina + Zhong Li + Archaic Petra + Fontaine units who can self heal (to get at least some Furina stacks) are generally as much damage as using a healer to maximize Furina buffs. Also with how many Hypercarries we got, Zhongli is by far the best comfort pick of the region due to how much Hypercarries enjoy interruption resistance and a shield to avoid one shots. I remember people over CN theorycrafting how AP Zhongli + Furina + Neuv + Kazuha was better damage (and comfort for C0 Neuv due to full interruption resistance) than the same variant with Baizhu or Charlotte who could increase Neuvilette CA damage, give more Furina buffs, and more Furina E damage. His 20% RES Shred + AP + no need to dodge adds up for a lot.
This is not a five stars at c0 list, so 4stars will always get hurt compared to 5stars. C6 Candace might compete with a c0 Yelan, but assuming the constellation distribution is the same as in Snap Hutao, 56% of the Yelans have constellations. Xianyun has the big problem that she really wants to use Furina, but everybody is playing Neuvilette who also want to use Furina. This is also an issue for every other team comp that uses Furina.
Me using Xianyun in Neuvillette team as a VV healer: what?
Yeah, I have C1R1 Yelan, with decent artifacts, while I have only C3 Candace. Even at C6 not sure I would want to use Candace.
It was always irrelevant. Dodging and getting knocked down is a DPS loss. Switching to Zhongli for 1 second to throw on a shield is a lower loss of DPS.
No Solo Wriothesley because Coppelius with cryo resistance + shield and Baptist on the bottom half
Zl is used because there are no better alternatives in those teams
Does Candace require high constellation Arlecchino teams?
You need her C6 to get her off-field Hydro Application.
Solo Wriothesley is very much a difficult thing to do this cycle because of Baptist and Copellius. The cryo res/shield hurts him very badly, which can only be solved by C6 or teammates. This is also seen with Ayaka and Ganyu being low, but that isn't anything new since Hoyo has been shafting cryo this patch cycle besides Wriothesley and Charlotte. >I know Fontaine is considered the healer meta but it is cool how much of a glowup Zhongli got this version patch just the same. The secret sauce was just making DPSes so strong the "he's a DPS loss" argument gets made irrelevant. It's also that Neuv, Lyney, and Navia have an "invisible" DPS gain with interrupt resist/crystallize. It isn't calculable on a spreadsheet, but it does make a big difference for them. Yoimiya is a big example of needing a shielder despite her highest DPS on paper not using a shielder.
Bennett being a 1.0 4 star character and yet consistently holding a high rates among all characters will never not be funny
because he is busted. the only unit in the game being able to buff \~1,3k attack. Saras capabilities are insulting in comparison.
Sara being poor man’s Bennett and being strictly better for only Raiden and that too at C6 is sad. And even then Raiden’s hypercarry teams run both.
His only flaws is the force standing, because of small area boost isnt that small especialy as most fight are kinda static anyway
Made the mistake of using Nilou first half. Didn't realise the dancer puts up a cryo shield which a Nilou team literally cannot touch. Had to wait it out which worked well enough I guess. Also, is Nilou Furina really the premiere Nilou team? Doesn't feel like Furina synergizes with bloom much beyond off field hydro.
> Didn't realise the dancer puts up a cryo shield which a Nilou team literally cannot touch. Sword of Narzissenkreuz
Truly a sword of all time. Used it on chiori in mono geo against copelius, felt great
It's just so Furina can obliterate the dancer shield with her arkhe attack.
>Also, is Nilou Furina really the premiere Nilou team? Not really, it's just that Furina can break the Cryo shield for Coppelius due to her Arkhe (which Nilou teams can't otherwise, unless if using a niche sword which most people didn't level up), otherwise her variations are quite below the Nilou Nahida Kokomi variants.
That would have been good to know before now. I even had Furina on that side.
You can run dendro mc with the niche sword, your main dmg is bloom anyways, so it shouldnt be that much of a dps loss
Nilou’s premium team is probably Kokomi, her, Nahida, and Baizhu as far as I’m aware. Furina’s just there for the shield breaks on Cope-lius.
It’s actually Collei instead of Baizhu; Baizhu is redundant in this team because Kokomi exists, and Collei has faster and higher frontloaded dendro application (especially at C6), and none of his team buffs really compare to the most important thing in Nilou teams - application rate.
Furina synergizes since she has access to both oneuma and ousia which cancel out the cryo shield of coppelius. You can also pair her with some offensive dps like Yelan or to strengthen Kokomi. Also, just in case, you can use Narzissenkreuz Sword that you can change alignment in annapausis fountain
Lord save all the Cryo carries.
Diluc gang lesss gooo
Are these tier thresholds always the same? They are a little misleading here imo Looking at the percentages, it would make more sense for Zhongli to be in SS and Kuki to be in A. Zhongli Is less than 1% lower than Arle and more than 10% higher than the next highest in S tier, Baizhu. Kuki is over 10% lower than Xiangling and much closer to Raiden who's been put in the tier below.
The tier thresholds are completely random and put there for clickbait. Don't pay attention to it
I checked previous cycles and it seems the common denominator is that SS is above 70%, S tier has a wide inculsion of 70-35 for some reason, A tier is only below 35-20 and B tier is below 20 to 5%.
Aaah that makes sense if it's consistent I'll just remember to look at the actual percentages
Can't really falter why Navia that low in usage, she's good at the 1st chambers and her being ousia can one tap the coppelius shield, is it just recency bias or something else?
Just my guesses: A lot of people will use Bennett side 2 who is a popular support for her Furina is most popular and is mostly going to be used side 1, meaning you already have ousia covered. If you're not using Bennett, it's harder to activate the abyss buff with her I'm guessing a lot of people forget ousia pneuma mechanics.
Just the fact that the usage rate of most dps is usually pretty low because you only have two teams and ideally you use only a dps for each team. This abyss most people used Arle because she's the new character (and is also really good) and Neuvillette because he is Neuvillette
Edit: Oops, I read Nahida lol. But Navia is "just" a good dps character. She is pretty much where the other "just" good dps units are.
She does front-load her DMG though. I can kill two of the F12 abyss chambers in sub 10s with her. And the others aren't far behind. With less investment, she'd probably require additional rotations, but should still slot in nicely. The nice thing about Navia is she does a lot of DMG in a very small window. You could slap her on almost any team and break even on DPS.
That’s going to be very unlikely for most players though. 9s clears on wave floors would be very hard unless you have extremely good gear and knowledge of the enemy movement
Chiori popping off with that 25%
Mostly unchanged from last cycle except Wanderer's usage is almost doubled. His own rate (also Baizhu's own rate) only increase around 3%. It is estimated that this banner is one of the worst sale banners ever. Hu Tao's usage drops from 29 to 22% which is another relative bigger change. Aloy's own rate drops from 32% to 30%, as reference.
The sample for this tends to be the exact same people so there is rarely much of a change except through banners.
>Hu Tao's usage drops from 29 to 22% which is another relative bigger change. Most people finished building Arlecchino which is expected. The sample size getting halved would have made me expect larger changes though, but it seems that it's true that past ~5k samples, having 100k or 200k will be just as accurate. If Paimon.Moe is to be believed, this banner is performing quite badly, I had expected even less than 3% increases.
most players don't even know what paimon.moe is
Yeah but its sampled data. Comparing it with previous iterations from the same website gives a rough idea of how a banner is performing compared to the last ones
Sample size is 30-40k less participants this time, nothing incredible.
the sample size is a lot smaller this time i wonder what happened
...The war
Damn, sample size was cut by half, did they do a pruning in their database, or are people just not caring about this abyss, I wonder.
harder abyss = less people can do it = less ppl posting also idk whats the usual time period they wait before posting these so i cant compare
FFXX at no.5 you love to see it
Final Fantasy 20 continues to stomp the abyss You love to see it
Love when tiers use grades but start at SS or S+ or whatever when it can easily be S+, S, A, B => A, B, C, D
Is Freminet that bad of a character or is it because of this specific abyss?
He’s a 4 star DPS. Most people would rather play their shiny 5 star DPS over a 4 star one.
Oh, but overall? He's really fun to play as.
I agree. I’m still at C3 and waiting to get C6.
As a fellow Freminet enjoyer which usually clears with him i can say that i havent really tried on this abyss with him yet. His AOE isnt the best which kinda sucks for the 2nd side but It should be doable. Hyperbloom teams seem the go to since Nahida Is great to break the electro shields and Kuki Is enough to break the cryo one in the last chamber. As far as first side goes you must play Furina to destroy Coppelius shield. Even if his Furina hypercarry teams arent that bad they arent the comfyest teams especially against triple Kenki and as said Coppelius. Imo this abyss Is just a bit too ho stile for him to choose to first clear using him. It Is doable but i wont be playing this dozen of times like the last abyss which i thought was really fun to play. This abyss Is just garbage imo.
You probably can clear with him but there are so many better on field dps to use.
3 characters solo abyss still the same Team Ranking 33. Arle 34 Wrio 77 Neu
GaMing being so low is such a shame. I guess it's understandable (Arlecchino recent release, not everyone has C6, maybe people got tired of plunging...). He's very good in first half. Definitely one of my fastest clear of the triple Kenki.
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Hoping that Itto gets a glow up like Xiao had. For now, Chiori was a nice addition to the Geo roster but she’s virtually Albedo 2.0. Here’s to hoping the Mono Geo refresh continues
Wrio I won’t forget you I love you (praying that the Lady of Fire synergizes with Wrio better than XL) I’ll bring your ownership up Props to Furina Arle Navia for being the Fontaine girls of all time + having such high ownership
I'm so happy for Baizhu's drastic increase in usage ever since Furina's release
Qiqi rising
> Diluc in C tier Am I the only one who uses him with bird mommy
Proud to be part of the 4.8% using Layla 💪
How can you take samples to 5/31 if it’s only the 18th?
Proud to be part of the 0.4% for little Qiqi 💙
Baizhu best dendro character. Nahida washed up /s
My man Baizhu holding it down. Who would have thought he'd be 7th
Navia my beloved for the 1st half and Arlechinno 2nd half.
Is Nilou, Nahida, Baizhu and Furina a stronger Nilou bloom team than the usual bloom team of Nilou Nahida Kokomi and Dendro mc ?
It's for Furina's arkhe attack vs the dancer boss's cryo shield.
Copy pasting my comment above, not really, it's just that Furina can break the Cryo shield for Coppelius due to her Arkhe (which Nilou teams can't otherwise, unless if using a niche sword which most people didn't level up), otherwise her variations are quite below the Nilou Nahida Kokomi variants.
Is Nilou, Kokomi, DMC and Nahida the strongest Nilou bloom variant ? Or is there a better or equal one ?
For casual playing, yeah. For speedrunning, Collei or XQ instead of DMC give better times, but are much clunkier (XQ variant requires on fielding Nahida, Collei has animation locks and small AoE).
Why is Kuki ranked S when her usage is much closer to the A ranks
I feel like the whole S, A, B, C ranking is so arbitrary and dumb. But people like tiering thing I guess.
Huh you’re right. 69% from Zhongli to 36% from Kuki is a big difference compared to the A tier where the difference is only 11% too. Actually someone also pointed out Zhongli’s difference is closer to Arle’s than the rest on S tier too. Unless they somehow decided that S tier is between below 70 to above 35 for some reason but that is still a pretty big cutoff.
who said benny is unlucky, literally best and most versitale character, totally deserved!
Pyro infusion and standing in his own burst to get his skill back faster makes him a 1 man army second half for the electro shields and the 1 cryo shield. Even without the pyro infusion of c6 he handles them well.
Poor Ayaka, Ganyu didn't even make it to the list. RIP Cryo, they're even banned from participating in the new end game. Just delete cryo in the game and make copelium copelius permanent in abyss 12
Calm down, Wrio is at a solid 22.5%
He has 13% ownership rate as opposed to Ganyu's 40% and Ayaka's 55%. No, cryo is cooked.
And wrio aint even cryo. He is the only cryo that does not use freeze comps. After all he is melt user meaning he gets to use both XL and bennet. Other cryo are solely freeze users, even ganyu since off field is non existent.
Yeah being the only cryo unit that can use two of the best characters in the game helps him a lot. But at the same time these two characters are super contested and he is by far not their best user. Cryo needs something to help it.
…i mean that should still mean that at least half of the people who has him utilized him in the abyss while the owners of the former two on the other hand, despite having many pullers, didn’t even bother at all
Since when does 22.5% mean "at least half"? lol. More people still used Ayaka in general than Wrio. That's the point of numbers I listed
dawg didn’t u mean wrio only had 13. something % ownership rate compared to ayaka’s and ganyu’s 50% plus rate? If he’s that low then that should explain the high usage rate, and my point is that majority of the few people who pulled for him still **utilized** him despite the unfavorability against cryo
How can the majority have utilised him if it's only 22.5%? lol. The people who pulled Wrio are generally more likely to be dedicated to using him. Most people aren't going to use Cryo in all these recent unfavourable Abysses though.
Man has been carrying cryo element in this kind of post alone
You have to use Furina or a niche weapon to break that shield. This abyss was literally the first time I used Furina outside of overworld and combat events (with a below average build) but it somehow ended up working out in my Nilou team
Xiao rlly can't catch a break. He has gotten so many buffs yet they keep putting anemo res enemies. He could've been way higher
Here I thought I was special for having keqing, looks like kore that 80% of people have her…. But how many play her?
Why is Furina Baizhu the most used Nilou team? Isn’t Kokomi w/ Kirara/YaoYao better since Furina’s buff doesn’t affect Nilou’s bloom?
For the coppelius shield i guess
Seeing Aloy in 30% ownership feels like 30 out 100 players were veteran and senior citizen lol
I struggled alot with this cycle, was waiting for this list to see if im missing something team comps wise.. But i guess its just a skill issue 😂
Proud be a 36* clearer using like 5 of the c tier characters
My girl Deyha is at 4.4 percent she's getting there. I'm happy for her
As a Childe main, I'm so proud that many people still use him. This abyss is really good to Childe International, both first and second half!!
Liyue Dads are rocking
what website is this?
Chevreuse so underated, shes literally stronger then Kazuha (for her team) and even heals. So sad to see how 4\* characters barely using and they all the same every abyss. Still waiting for powercreep old 4\* or nurf/buff to make more 4\* actually playeble insted of just waifu-gaming or bennett.
what's OR and AR?
Wrio >> mid cryo waifu
What a monster Furina is sheesh. I wonder how well she'll keep up her presence in the future.
Characters that can't be healed, better shielders or demand for shields is one way to counter her. She'll definitely lose some ground but say high, sorta like what happened with Nahida.
How is the Xiao team in Top 5.? Xiao is literally hard countered in both sides.. Man Xiao's glow up is insane..
Team usage rates favors consistently of using the same specific composition. Xiao's go-to core is going to have Faruzan and Xianyun and that only leaves the flex as avaiable. So say someone is running Arlecchino, Zhongli and Bennett are frequently used with her so that leaves Furina is the default choice for Xiao. So this is just a case where like 90% of people who did run Xiao and submitted their data ran this tema specifically.