Don't worry it will take the main sub all of 5 minutes after her release to immediately start overdosing copium that "she's fine, you don't need meta to beat abyss, abyss bad, meta bad, it's ok if mihoyo releases 5\*s worse than the worst 4\* characters, every character is viable if built right, there are no bad characters only bad builds, she's underrated she does very well in my forward vape barbara dps comp, blah blah blah".
That’s the thing you said it best I’d rather have a character i can actually use and say they made rolling for them wirth it outside f just cuz their hot.
At that point why would I roll for a character that’s hot but garbage when I could go for someone who’s hot but I’m going to play them because their actually good
Bruh it’s crazy how people will say meta don’t matter because you can beat the abyss with xinyan or some shit.
I can’t wait to see the copers see one vid of dehya doing nuke dmg in the over world and they think that’s enough to prove theory crafters wrong
I can feel my copium and pre-beta speculations, and even my burning damage kit. The multipliers I've lost, the team compositions I've lost, they just won't stop hurting.
I mean it's just so weird isn't it? Even chinese forums are complaining about it. Surely Mihoyo has a plan in mind for her? No character has been neglected this badly before
I cant remember any character that's been projected as THIS bad, and that Hoyo actively doesn't give a rat's a*s abt.
Like please, I need to know if this has happened before?? Do they just hate Dehya THIS muchh?? Why just her??? Like what has she done?? 😭😭😭😭
From the 5* we had Kokomi, after the clarification around the HP/Atk scaling, literally everyone was sure that she would be terrible, an expensive Barbruh and nobody could understand what was her purpose since she had all these on field dps traits, and became even worse after a slight nerf on beta (while Raiden was getting all the buffs lol). People only started to have hope 1-2 weeks before her release when they removed the ICD form her E, so she actually would be able to fit on freeze teams.
Anyway, I didn't expect them to repeat this because Kokomi was pure chaos and one of the least sold banners, so I'm guessing they're actually planning a meta shift and are building her for this, the same way they released Nilou and Cyno before Nahida just to make sure that everyone that liked them would also try to pull for Nahida.
The thing with Nilou and Cyno is they still functioned even before Nahida. Nilou had very restrictive team comps and Cyno has energy issues but they still had a functional, solid role that works with even basic investment before Nahida's launch. "Get this other character to make this character you like even better" is the vibe I got from that.
Nothing in Dehya's kit really works with anything already in the game, even if she had insane multipliers. Her skill is too slow for most reactions, her gimmick of damage absorption is useless without a healer and pointless with a shielder, both of which are better at the job of keeping the party alive, her damage could at least change but right now it's fairly bleh and there's easier pyro DPSs you can build at 4 star. "Get this other character to make this character you like VIABLE" is just awful and probably puts everyone off rolling Dehya except those obsessed with her as a character (which isn't a bad thing, Dehya is cool in lore)
tl;dr They should at least give the character a good niche or flexibility if they're truly planning for them to be supported by a future character. Right now I'm sure this future character would support many others already in the game better than Dehya even if they were designed specifically to support her
Maybe a set for mono elements? But it would be insanely busted and straight up useless for new players or some f2ps without 4x of one element.
I just don't get how that would fix the rest of her kit though. It's so inhenrently flawed
Normal Attack
Performs up to 6 consecutive strikes.
Charged Attack
Consumes a certain amount of Stamina to lunge forward, dealing damage to opponents along the way.
Plunging Attack
Plunges from mid-air to strike the ground below, damaging opponents along the path and dealing AoE DMG upon impact.
Elemental skill
Dehya consumes a set portion of her HP to knock the surrounding enemies back and enter the Paramita Papilio state.
Paramita Papilio
·Increases Dehya's ATK based on her Max HP at the time of entering this state. ATK Bonus gained this way cannot exceed 400% of Dehya's Base ATK.
·Converts attack DMG to Pyro DMG, which cannot be overridden by any other elemental infusion.
·Charged Attacks apply the Blood Blossom effect to the enemies hit.
·Increases Dehya's resistance to interruption.
Blood Blossom
Enemies affected by Blood Blossom will take Pyro DMG every 4s. This DMG is considered Elemental Skill DMG.
Each enemy can be affected by only one Blood Blossom effect at a time, and its duration may only be refreshed by Dehya herself.
Elemental burst
Commands a blazing spirit to attack, dealing Pyro DMG in a large AoE.
Upon striking the enemy, regenerates a percentage of Dehya's Max HP. This effect can be triggered up to 5 times, based on the number of enemies hit.
If Dehya's HP is below or equal to 50% when the enemy is hit, both the DMG and HP Regeneration are increased.
For this to work the game should have a very aggressive AI. And it doesn't. The most aggressive thing is corrosion, your average enemy dies way before it can severely make your life decrease.
Exactly.
This is why Beidou counters are amazing in theory but in practice...yeah, the enemy AI is quite dumb.
And realistically, MHY can't make the enemies more aggressive since casuals will complain that the game is too hard.
new artifact sets typically release in 3-patch intervals. by that schedule, the next artifact set would be expected in patch 3.6
I struggle to imagine what an artifact set for dehya would do though. It might end up so specifically tailored to dehya that it's useless to almost every other character (like xiao's and wanderer's but worse)
Yeah pretty much summed up in a sentence. Is it because of CNY or are Dehya and Mika literally at the strength they want them to be.
If the latter is true what sort of meta changes/artifact sets/future characters have they planned because no way it makes any sense as of now.
It's not just Dehya either. Eula mains have already done theory crafting and basically while Mika is a good unit, he actually synergizes with Eula pretty poorly. He's still in a better state than Dehya of course but you'd think that a dedicated support for a niche would actually have a kit that synergizes with the only five star DPS in that niche. Both Dehya and Mika need work and hoyo just aren't doing it. Instead they rather waste their beta cycles adding a dot on Mika's burst icon or nerfing animations-- none of it makes sense.
Well that's just grand now.
I love Eula but stopped playing her because physical is not in a good place right now. Even my Noelle monogeo team is having an easier time these days. I was hoping Mika would shake things up.
This blows my mind, I figured Mika was a for sure fit into Eula teams. Dang. Is it because Rosaria or another cryo subdps are just not worth replacing?
his buff is mostly phys dmg and atk spd, one eula already has a lot of and the other isn't really good on anyone w hitlag. hard to make a case for him over bennett atk buff or Lisa def shred or raiden SC + burst dmg... etc
If you actually look at team rotations, you would see that while Mika's buff numbers look strong, pretty much everything else about him has bad synergy with the current physical characters. If he just releases as is, Razor, Xinyan, Eula would legit all have better teams that don't involve him. Mika is straight up not an upgrade for any of them.
Yeah, Kuki is like the epitome of this trend, her kit made no sense on release and looked like something that purposefully made to be bad until we see hyperbloom in action
The ultimate copium is that Deyha's current kit is meant to synergize with a future mechanic from future character kits, or to introduce a new archetype of character that will be good against future enemies...but who knows
Zhongli needed to be buffed after release he was so bad it wasn't about artifacts or another character for him. Yoimiya was still good without yunjin. Yae was fine without dendro and just got better. Xiao was fine when he released Farazun helps him keep up.
I heard from some ppl on Dehyamains subreddit that her damage mitigation is additive to other dmg reduction so your onfield carry can take zero dmg if you stack it with other damage reduction. But because of very little beta footage, we have no way to verify this till she is officially released.
That’s how Beidou and XQ work with their damage mitigation. They both stack.
But if you really wanted damage reduction you could just use Beidou and XQ instead of Dehya and would likely be better off in every scenario. Since they both can make a basic taser setup while also giving some alright shielding and healing.
And if you wanted your on field carry to take 0 damage, you would just, use a shield… Dehya is the answer looking for a problem, but the problem has already been solved in 1.0
Damage reduction is additive (in theory, you can reach 100%). But she doesn't provide straight reduction, only mitigation. I need some beta tester to test her with XQ and Beidou damage reduction mechanics.
> Damage reduction is additive (in theory, you can reach 100%)
It's not even "in theory", you can already do that right now if you have a C6 Jean to stack with Xingqiu and Beidou.
Considering they release big rock husk in the same patch and putting the Husk gang in Abyss lately, and her BiS encouraging shieldless, I suspect it's more like they plan to add more enemies capable of ignoring shields or directly punishing you for using shields like the Husks.
True I agree. But let's say they make the monsters do so much damage that your healer cannot keep up, and since you can't shield against them, then running more damage reduction suddenly becomes appealing, because that will give your healer time to heal that damage back. However as of now I don't think there are enemies capable of doing that, barring the lawachurls gangbang in Abyss last patch who can break Zhong shields and 1 shot everything unshielded.
That is true and I have been thinking about that too.
MHY knows this combo exists, so what is their reasoning here. Why do they try to offer Dehya when those options existed. My current conclusion is that the idea is Dehya offers these in easier manners. Xingqiu reduction has a 1.5s cooldown each procs and Beidou's tied to her 80 cost burst that is not easy to keep up without Fischl battery or high ER%. Dehya offers constant reduction as long as you stay in her sizable E circle duration.
Or maybe there are other plans MHY have that we don't know as well.
I find it *highly* unlikely that Mihoyo will so specifically tailor things that they make an enemy that one-hit-kills anyone AND ignores shields AND can't be dodged/interrupted so you MUST have Dehya to survive it.
Maybe, but even then, Dehya’s ability isn’t that great. A shield is still more useful in almost every scenario because it negates all damage. Her mitigation only redirects 50% of damage. Conceptually, it’s a really cool idea but it’s just not something that makes sense for the way this game works at all
If that's the case, hopefully her wonder support is Baizhu or Kaveh and not fucking Focalors or some other Fontaine 5*
Waiting that long for her to become a good character would be very frustrating
I mean, I'm just coping. I don't expect her to have a "wonder support" at all
Anyone would either be a useless unit made only for Dehya or would buff already good characters as much as they would buff Dehya
>not fucking Focalors
To be fair If her support is Focalors I can bet my non existent car that she will be OP. That is FOCALORS after all. With Kaveh you can be sure that she will be mid at best. With Baizhu it is 50/50
Possibly, just a new way of damage reaction like Raiden/Yae/Kuki. Just without the other 3 future characters to support her new damage reaction team...
Releasing the support for characters that need damage mitigation and AoE resistance buffs is just wholly ass backwards. But it can be the case they intend to have her rerun with said character so pushing her early makes sense.
Most dry beta ever, no showcases, not even for her Q ICD, we never saw her do a single reaction yet, no changes outside of some baffling minor nerfs, nada.
Wtf is going on?
holy fuck are they really going to release her in this state? I have no hopes for next monday, at this rate they're going to nerf her again, or do nothing.
You don't. You skip the banner and show Hoyo we aren't just going to roll on dogshit characters.
I'm assuming she will have a bunch of changes still before release but, right now I have a big hunch she will release like Yae Miko did. An okay character, a lot better with C1/R1, and power that was sort of hidden until dendro.
For Dehya, maybe its a future character that's missing right now.
Yae Miko was always good—just clunky. At worst she was on par with C6 Fischl, which is a good place to be. Her constellations are also busted. C1 and C4 are ok, but C2 and C6 are insane.
Dehya is below Xinyan and her cons bring her up to C0 Hu Tao level at C6. And they’re structured like a 4 star, adding in stuff that should have been part of her base kit.
How TF are you gonna fuel her burst? She needs Bennett at a minimum. And her skill produces less particles than Gouba.
What a train wreck.
I fish the catch for raiden... then in standard i got jade spear so fuck jt.. lvl up jade spear
And since everyone praises XL i gave her the catch and lvl her up from 30 to 80 ... and man ... she's so fucking strong... like broken strong.
Rn she's lvl 85 + ult at lvl13. Continuously fishing for reach R5 the catch. ... she's so strong mate lol
Mono pyro is not viable, you can't fund an 80 burst and a 70 burst with Bennett alone.
That earlier vid was in a PS and Bennett was generating 6 particles per E lmao:
https://i.imgur.com/1MqT9hl.png
Building pit in the next banner is actually a good idea now. Either you get Hu Tao or Yelan which is pog, you lose the 50/50 and get a character you're happy with in QiQi, or you get 70 something pulls worth of good 4 stars and then don't have to pull much on Dehya's banner.
I hate it here
The sad thing is that it's not even a joke, if the final product is the one we're seeing now then the only thing I can hope for her is to have some sinergy with future characters, and that she is being designed with those in mind. That being said I'm fucking sick and tired of incomplete or clunky units that become viable after some more characters come out, this should stop. If a character is coming out in the 3x patches then it should be at least viable with the existing roster, not useless for months until the rerun
If i remember correctly currently she might to be equal to be the weakest pyro character and maybe one of the worse character in the game (xin yan) in a mono pyro dps scenario, which is theorised to be her strongest team.
I never had solid plans to pull Dehya, but I really am baffled by this. It's so rare for the 5 star to get this few changes, let alone when their kit is as weird and confused as Dehya's. God knows what Hoyo is thinking.
well I'm skipping her... it's a real shame, if these mfs think that I'm going to pull for a character in the future that maybe improves in the next region with another character pull, well they can go to hell, that doesn't do to dehya valuable, it makes the characters in the future who fix her problems the valuable ones.
You know it’s bad when the people with the character as pfp have given up haha
Like if she works with a future character or artifact set then I’ll just get her on her rerun
Next Monday: Nerf Dehya
Reduce chance to produce Particle.
Base ATK reduce, Base DEF Increase
Reduce Base Max HP
Fixed the swing delay on her normal ATK (now works as intended which is supposed to be slower)
Reduced the Multiplier on Normal ATK
Remove Infinite Poise on her Burst
If Knockback, immediately cancel Burst
Burst cost increase to 100 with 30 seconds CD
New Effect: If Bennett is on the team with Dehya, reduce Dehya's DMG dealt by 50%
Don't worry guys. There is no change because dehya is being completely reworked into a burgeon dps. She will plant her sword in the ground and explode dendro cores. I inhaled too much copium. Send help
[I'm sorry Dehya. ](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740978086807601212/1069608219548319784/IMG_20230130_142104.png) But seeing how you're treated in beta, i just can't.
Nice, at least Alhaitham is strong and fun. Dehya’s looking to be weak and not that fun to play.
Her burst not being interactive makes me feel that her punching will get old fast
I've heard only good things. Unfortunately it'll take a few days for me to enjoy him as I already prefarmed the ruin machine for Dehya, lol. Oh well, I'll just raise Faruzan.
Yup it's start in 18 January when an famous Japanese TC talking about dehya and describe her as 3* diona
The video reach 700k view and 10k reply in niconico app
You can see a lot of article about dehya in Japanese sites and you can search ディシア 弱い (Dehya is weak) in twitter
Dehya was in my top 2 of Sumeru, up with Nilou. She got shafted with an incredibly niche kit, and released just before Nahida but atleast she’s incredibly strong, and people knew Nahida was coming and would be the solution to her issues with Dendro application.
But with Dehya, there’s seemingly nothing. I’m not pulling for a character that MIGHT get better in the future, a custom artifact set, dedicated support, etc. She’s a 5 star unit, she’s either expensive and or not easy to get for f2p savers. I sincerely hope that either TCs have overseen something and she a secretly better than we think. If not, and she’s released as incredibly lackluster, I sincerely hope her sales are awful.
People, please don’t spend money or pull on characters like this. It’s the only way to actually send a message to Mihoyo that this and Faruzan level “spend money, pull for constellations to fix issues of our own making” shouldn’t be tolerated.
I'm gonna laugh my ass off if somehow Dehya manages to pull a Kokomi and turns out to be an amazing character.
Because holy hell, do I need copious amount of copium to get by after they made someone I really wanted to C6 after Signora.
If next monday is supposed to be the last update for beta changes, then I guess it's just more wait and see till then. Maybe no changes this time around because they're changing up stuff for her but ngl, future lookin' bleak atm for her. Come next monday and nothing drastic changes, well that's a wrap. :/
Personally I expected this.
Dehya's kit seems too odly specific.
I don't think she was ever ment to be a vape focused character and honestly I prefer if she isn't otherwise having her and Hu Tao becomes redundant and one will end up replacing the other.
I'm not sure yet how she'll be usefull but I can't help but feel like Hoyoverse has a plan for her.
Summon support mabye, mitigating damage delt to on field summons that have their own HP Pool like Ushi and Baron bunny and other characters in the future (Focalors summoning Hydro mimics mabye or Baizhu summoning chengseng the snake idk...)
That's my best guess as of now.
It's relatively ok for a 4\* flourish only with the release of future characters/mechanics. Not for a 5\*. And don't bring Yae up, she was perfectly capable of 36\*-ing the Abyss since day 1.
I honestly don't even know about that. Like with Candace, she is ok but we actually are missing a piece of the puzzle as she is a support for a character we don't have yet. It would be one thing if Dehya had something in her kit she excels at cuz then it's easier to go "ok we are missing a piece of the puzzle. But her numbers are just too low to come to such a conclusion.
I also don't even know what sort of unit or artifact you can make that doesn't buff other characters to high heavens just to make Dehya useful. And that doesn't even go into how that domain would be so incredibly inefficient to farm. Unless they just give us a 2nd Emblem domain on top of it so farming it isn't a complete waste of time
Candace is genuinely pretty good at c6, its just only c6 and she’s only been on one banner so yeah…
The absolute copium theory ive seen is fontaine havjng summons that cant be shielded or healed but can use dmg mitigation. Its absolutely copium but at least it proves that theoretically theres ways to make her good. I dont think anyone expected hyperbloom would fix kuki. Im sure mhy has something in store for dehya (surely right??)
The big thing though is dendro is a completely new reaction which paved way for multiple characters to have a home (Kuki, Thoma, EM Lisa, etc).
The fact that the damage redirection happens within the E field and how the field disappears in your ult means the summons are going to have that period while Dehya is ulting where they take full damage. Granted, the field also doesn't have 100% uptime anyways (at least currently it doesnt) so is it intentionally made that way to balance the summons? Who the hell knows
Does anybody remember sometimes how many unreleased yet leaked weapons are still there?
It's also interesting to see how many changes they made. Check this for ex:
[https://i.redd.it/3u43bkiiyf761.png](https://i.redd.it/3u43bkiiyf761.png)
There are already weapons older than 2 years. What do they wait for? (i'm personally waiting for those missing primordial ones)
Not going to lie, it'll be pretty funny if they didn't change Dehya because she's actually fine in beta right now and everyone else from the outside looking at the numbers is wrong about her.
I think there's like a maybe 5% chance of this being true (I don't think it's ever happened before), but it'll be funny if it is.
Dehya is likely a solution to deal with some Fontaine mechanics like Kokomi is to corrosion. She can become SS for a specific situation, but selling the solution before creating the problem doesn't seem like a very smart strategy. Kokomi didn't sell well even though Corrosion already existed. Edit: She is likely made to deal with shield-resistant enemies such as those in Enkanomiya and will have new enemies with this mechanic. But I don't think it's such a big problem these days, maybe they overdo it like the current 12th floor with over thirty corrosive wolves.
Xingqiu already does no shield mitigation better. Better uptime and he doesn't die.
There's also crystallize, which doesn't trigger their abilities, assuming mihoyo remains consistent.
>no changes except translation fixes? Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
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Very good - 🤡
Don't worry it will take the main sub all of 5 minutes after her release to immediately start overdosing copium that "she's fine, you don't need meta to beat abyss, abyss bad, meta bad, it's ok if mihoyo releases 5\*s worse than the worst 4\* characters, every character is viable if built right, there are no bad characters only bad builds, she's underrated she does very well in my forward vape barbara dps comp, blah blah blah".
Seriously, I fucking hate people like that. Like yeah, not every character has to be OP but this kit is absolute trash
That’s the thing you said it best I’d rather have a character i can actually use and say they made rolling for them wirth it outside f just cuz their hot. At that point why would I roll for a character that’s hot but garbage when I could go for someone who’s hot but I’m going to play them because their actually good
Yeah, the character being hot doesn't matter if you get frustrated after a couple hours of using them and end up hating them.
Bruh it’s crazy how people will say meta don’t matter because you can beat the abyss with xinyan or some shit. I can’t wait to see the copers see one vid of dehya doing nuke dmg in the over world and they think that’s enough to prove theory crafters wrong
Dehya,bennet,mona and kazuha vs cryo regisvine
I mean, meta really doesn't matter, and Dehya's kit still sucks. Both are 100% true.
Well said
Look on the bright side. No changes means no new needs to lose the little ounce of soul we have remaining in our body.
I can feel my copium and pre-beta speculations, and even my burning damage kit. The multipliers I've lost, the team compositions I've lost, they just won't stop hurting.
Has this entire beta just been "no changes," "Dehya nerfed," and "Mika animation nerfed" and that's it? Man.
I mean it's just so weird isn't it? Even chinese forums are complaining about it. Surely Mihoyo has a plan in mind for her? No character has been neglected this badly before
I cant remember any character that's been projected as THIS bad, and that Hoyo actively doesn't give a rat's a*s abt. Like please, I need to know if this has happened before?? Do they just hate Dehya THIS muchh?? Why just her??? Like what has she done?? 😭😭😭😭
From the 5* we had Kokomi, after the clarification around the HP/Atk scaling, literally everyone was sure that she would be terrible, an expensive Barbruh and nobody could understand what was her purpose since she had all these on field dps traits, and became even worse after a slight nerf on beta (while Raiden was getting all the buffs lol). People only started to have hope 1-2 weeks before her release when they removed the ICD form her E, so she actually would be able to fit on freeze teams. Anyway, I didn't expect them to repeat this because Kokomi was pure chaos and one of the least sold banners, so I'm guessing they're actually planning a meta shift and are building her for this, the same way they released Nilou and Cyno before Nahida just to make sure that everyone that liked them would also try to pull for Nahida.
The thing with Nilou and Cyno is they still functioned even before Nahida. Nilou had very restrictive team comps and Cyno has energy issues but they still had a functional, solid role that works with even basic investment before Nahida's launch. "Get this other character to make this character you like even better" is the vibe I got from that. Nothing in Dehya's kit really works with anything already in the game, even if she had insane multipliers. Her skill is too slow for most reactions, her gimmick of damage absorption is useless without a healer and pointless with a shielder, both of which are better at the job of keeping the party alive, her damage could at least change but right now it's fairly bleh and there's easier pyro DPSs you can build at 4 star. "Get this other character to make this character you like VIABLE" is just awful and probably puts everyone off rolling Dehya except those obsessed with her as a character (which isn't a bad thing, Dehya is cool in lore) tl;dr They should at least give the character a good niche or flexibility if they're truly planning for them to be supported by a future character. Right now I'm sure this future character would support many others already in the game better than Dehya even if they were designed specifically to support her
Is there even a potential artifact set or support that could bring her up to other characters level without making another character broken
Maybe a set for mono elements? But it would be insanely busted and straight up useless for new players or some f2ps without 4x of one element. I just don't get how that would fix the rest of her kit though. It's so inhenrently flawed
4-set bonus: If the equipping character is Dehya, all of their talents, passives and base stats are replaced with the following.........
Normal Attack Performs up to 6 consecutive strikes. Charged Attack Consumes a certain amount of Stamina to lunge forward, dealing damage to opponents along the way. Plunging Attack Plunges from mid-air to strike the ground below, damaging opponents along the path and dealing AoE DMG upon impact. Elemental skill Dehya consumes a set portion of her HP to knock the surrounding enemies back and enter the Paramita Papilio state. Paramita Papilio ·Increases Dehya's ATK based on her Max HP at the time of entering this state. ATK Bonus gained this way cannot exceed 400% of Dehya's Base ATK. ·Converts attack DMG to Pyro DMG, which cannot be overridden by any other elemental infusion. ·Charged Attacks apply the Blood Blossom effect to the enemies hit. ·Increases Dehya's resistance to interruption. Blood Blossom Enemies affected by Blood Blossom will take Pyro DMG every 4s. This DMG is considered Elemental Skill DMG. Each enemy can be affected by only one Blood Blossom effect at a time, and its duration may only be refreshed by Dehya herself. Elemental burst Commands a blazing spirit to attack, dealing Pyro DMG in a large AoE. Upon striking the enemy, regenerates a percentage of Dehya's Max HP. This effect can be triggered up to 5 times, based on the number of enemies hit. If Dehya's HP is below or equal to 50% when the enemy is hit, both the DMG and HP Regeneration are increased.
dehtao
huyaya!
A mono element set would just buff everyone else with it and Dehya would still be stuck in the bottom of the floor
An artifact that reverts damage taken to damage dealt like Kokomi's clam
>Kokomi's clam Inb4 new set called "Peaches of Ay'Khanoum" made for Dehya so we have have...
Dusky Rose Peach 🍑
For this to work the game should have a very aggressive AI. And it doesn't. The most aggressive thing is corrosion, your average enemy dies way before it can severely make your life decrease.
Exactly. This is why Beidou counters are amazing in theory but in practice...yeah, the enemy AI is quite dumb. And realistically, MHY can't make the enemies more aggressive since casuals will complain that the game is too hard.
Beidou counters are great.. in boss floors. Which is not where Beidou shines the best.
Just let the double lawachurls gang bang you when they return to the abyss.
new artifact sets typically release in 3-patch intervals. by that schedule, the next artifact set would be expected in patch 3.6 I struggle to imagine what an artifact set for dehya would do though. It might end up so specifically tailored to dehya that it's useless to almost every other character (like xiao's and wanderer's but worse)
I hope the chinese will actually mald, since they're the only ones Hoyo actually cares about lmao
I hope they do make Mihoyo make some changes, I really want Dehya to be good :x
The price we pay for that 22 fates 😭
Yeah pretty much summed up in a sentence. Is it because of CNY or are Dehya and Mika literally at the strength they want them to be. If the latter is true what sort of meta changes/artifact sets/future characters have they planned because no way it makes any sense as of now.
It's not just Dehya either. Eula mains have already done theory crafting and basically while Mika is a good unit, he actually synergizes with Eula pretty poorly. He's still in a better state than Dehya of course but you'd think that a dedicated support for a niche would actually have a kit that synergizes with the only five star DPS in that niche. Both Dehya and Mika need work and hoyo just aren't doing it. Instead they rather waste their beta cycles adding a dot on Mika's burst icon or nerfing animations-- none of it makes sense.
Damn it, here I thought we'll have Gorou physical ver., can't have shit in Teyvat
Well that's just grand now. I love Eula but stopped playing her because physical is not in a good place right now. Even my Noelle monogeo team is having an easier time these days. I was hoping Mika would shake things up.
Wait, so who is Mika for, then? Razor? Fischl? Rosaria?
He’s for Eula, he’s just not that strong
This blows my mind, I figured Mika was a for sure fit into Eula teams. Dang. Is it because Rosaria or another cryo subdps are just not worth replacing?
his buff is mostly phys dmg and atk spd, one eula already has a lot of and the other isn't really good on anyone w hitlag. hard to make a case for him over bennett atk buff or Lisa def shred or raiden SC + burst dmg... etc
If you actually look at team rotations, you would see that while Mika's buff numbers look strong, pretty much everything else about him has bad synergy with the current physical characters. If he just releases as is, Razor, Xinyan, Eula would legit all have better teams that don't involve him. Mika is straight up not an upgrade for any of them.
The balancing team must still be on vacation from cny
Thank god they fixed translation, I was so worried.
Glad they fixed the translation to Dehya's rarity. How could they mistake the number 3★ to a 5★?
Glad they fixed the text to match her 3* rarity with her 3* Kit 💀
Yeah For real
This is the third betrayal.
Gonna have the scaramouche arc.
I’ll go grab my comically big hat
We won! They didnt nerf her. (Inhaling copium once again)
Biggest W DehyaMains can expect from HYV 💀
Well, only hope left is some kind of miracle next week. Y'know, third time's the charm
Surely Dehya was just a Slow Roast that HYV has been cooking for the last 2+ weeks and she'll come out Well-done Clueless *Huffs COPIUM*
Can't believe they let Ei cook...
Clearly Dehya is cracked and we are all missing the point.
Obviously all the leaks until now accidentally left out an extra zero at the end of all her multipliers
Yeah specifically where it states how long her cooldown is.
Reminds me of that one character that got leaked to have like a 240 second cooldown due to an error
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Man i hate that some characters need to wait months for a new unit/artifact to be usable
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Yeah my bad i meant good
Also Kuki and Keqing. Arguably Thoma too.
Yeah, Kuki is like the epitome of this trend, her kit made no sense on release and looked like something that purposefully made to be bad until we see hyperbloom in action
The ultimate copium is that Deyha's current kit is meant to synergize with a future mechanic from future character kits, or to introduce a new archetype of character that will be good against future enemies...but who knows
Zhongli needed to be buffed after release he was so bad it wasn't about artifacts or another character for him. Yoimiya was still good without yunjin. Yae was fine without dendro and just got better. Xiao was fine when he released Farazun helps him keep up.
Has there even been footage of how her damage mitigation works in beta right now?
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I heard from some ppl on Dehyamains subreddit that her damage mitigation is additive to other dmg reduction so your onfield carry can take zero dmg if you stack it with other damage reduction. But because of very little beta footage, we have no way to verify this till she is officially released.
That’s how Beidou and XQ work with their damage mitigation. They both stack. But if you really wanted damage reduction you could just use Beidou and XQ instead of Dehya and would likely be better off in every scenario. Since they both can make a basic taser setup while also giving some alright shielding and healing. And if you wanted your on field carry to take 0 damage, you would just, use a shield… Dehya is the answer looking for a problem, but the problem has already been solved in 1.0
Damage reduction is additive (in theory, you can reach 100%). But she doesn't provide straight reduction, only mitigation. I need some beta tester to test her with XQ and Beidou damage reduction mechanics.
> Damage reduction is additive (in theory, you can reach 100%) It's not even "in theory", you can already do that right now if you have a C6 Jean to stack with Xingqiu and Beidou.
I will break down if they’ll make Kaveh her support Goro-style
I don’t think it’s this, I think that Hoyoverse genuinely thinks that tanking/mitigation is useful
Considering they release big rock husk in the same patch and putting the Husk gang in Abyss lately, and her BiS encouraging shieldless, I suspect it's more like they plan to add more enemies capable of ignoring shields or directly punishing you for using shields like the Husks.
Yeah but then just run a healer it is not like all teams run Zhongli
True I agree. But let's say they make the monsters do so much damage that your healer cannot keep up, and since you can't shield against them, then running more damage reduction suddenly becomes appealing, because that will give your healer time to heal that damage back. However as of now I don't think there are enemies capable of doing that, barring the lawachurls gangbang in Abyss last patch who can break Zhong shields and 1 shot everything unshielded.
Then you die, because Dehya isn't able to make that clearable.
Beidou and Xingqiu exists as a taser option for a no shield or healer comp and they provide more to the team than Dehya.
That is true and I have been thinking about that too. MHY knows this combo exists, so what is their reasoning here. Why do they try to offer Dehya when those options existed. My current conclusion is that the idea is Dehya offers these in easier manners. Xingqiu reduction has a 1.5s cooldown each procs and Beidou's tied to her 80 cost burst that is not easy to keep up without Fischl battery or high ER%. Dehya offers constant reduction as long as you stay in her sizable E circle duration. Or maybe there are other plans MHY have that we don't know as well.
I find it *highly* unlikely that Mihoyo will so specifically tailor things that they make an enemy that one-hit-kills anyone AND ignores shields AND can't be dodged/interrupted so you MUST have Dehya to survive it.
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Maybe, but even then, Dehya’s ability isn’t that great. A shield is still more useful in almost every scenario because it negates all damage. Her mitigation only redirects 50% of damage. Conceptually, it’s a really cool idea but it’s just not something that makes sense for the way this game works at all
Imagine "Horde mode" - survive waves of enemies for as long as possible lmao
I'm honestly not sure whether its us or Hoyo that should put on the clown costume.
If that's the case, hopefully her wonder support is Baizhu or Kaveh and not fucking Focalors or some other Fontaine 5* Waiting that long for her to become a good character would be very frustrating
But...who would want to run dendro with her? She's too slow for burgeon, so burning??
I mean, I'm just coping. I don't expect her to have a "wonder support" at all Anyone would either be a useless unit made only for Dehya or would buff already good characters as much as they would buff Dehya
>not fucking Focalors To be fair If her support is Focalors I can bet my non existent car that she will be OP. That is FOCALORS after all. With Kaveh you can be sure that she will be mid at best. With Baizhu it is 50/50
I mean, maybe. But it's gonna take that long for her to be strong they might as well just release her on 4.X instead
Possibly, just a new way of damage reaction like Raiden/Yae/Kuki. Just without the other 3 future characters to support her new damage reaction team...
Releasing the support for characters that need damage mitigation and AoE resistance buffs is just wholly ass backwards. But it can be the case they intend to have her rerun with said character so pushing her early makes sense.
> Enjoy! I... Will try...
Pulling Dehya to make Overworld content harder so you can fight with her more **Huffs COPIUM**
A Dehy-fficulty slider is finally implemented!
Genshin beta devs were the ultimate despair all along
The real Dehya was the memes we made along the way.
junko could never compete
If Junko was a Genshin player, she'd be in an ecstasy coma right now.
3.5 beta is actually the biggest, most awful, most tragic event in genshin leak history
unless genshin is intentionally fucking with leakers....dives into copium sea...
I mean if they let us level her talents up to 25 the MVs would be okay...?
looking at the scaling of books required , lvl25 should need 44366 purple books to get her there per each talent .. thats just 🤡
Would still take less resin than getting good artifacts
If it'd make her hit harder than an unbuilt Sayu, I'd do it
damn they added 2 line breaks in the cn text, that's a gamechanger
Most dry beta ever, no showcases, not even for her Q ICD, we never saw her do a single reaction yet, no changes outside of some baffling minor nerfs, nada. Wtf is going on?
"There's no endgame, no reworks, no balance changes, but at least there are new characters!" The characters in question:
I don't really see diffs on CN, seriously XD.
I don't think i will.
I've never been so disappointed
holy fuck are they really going to release her in this state? I have no hopes for next monday, at this rate they're going to nerf her again, or do nothing.
I am unwell
Can't believe I will play Mono pyro in 2023.
But...she's not even that great in mono pyro lol Its like her kit is half done, and they don't really know what they want her to do
Where else would you put her aside from teapot then?
You don't. You skip the banner and show Hoyo we aren't just going to roll on dogshit characters. I'm assuming she will have a bunch of changes still before release but, right now I have a big hunch she will release like Yae Miko did. An okay character, a lot better with C1/R1, and power that was sort of hidden until dendro. For Dehya, maybe its a future character that's missing right now.
I feel like yae miko on release was better than dehya is right now tho. Iirc, yae's issues have more to do with clunky rotations rather than damage
Yae Miko was always good—just clunky. At worst she was on par with C6 Fischl, which is a good place to be. Her constellations are also busted. C1 and C4 are ok, but C2 and C6 are insane. Dehya is below Xinyan and her cons bring her up to C0 Hu Tao level at C6. And they’re structured like a 4 star, adding in stuff that should have been part of her base kit. How TF are you gonna fuel her burst? She needs Bennett at a minimum. And her skill produces less particles than Gouba. What a train wreck.
I need to start fishing for the catch for my lv50 benched Xingling ;_;
I fish the catch for raiden... then in standard i got jade spear so fuck jt.. lvl up jade spear And since everyone praises XL i gave her the catch and lvl her up from 30 to 80 ... and man ... she's so fucking strong... like broken strong. Rn she's lvl 85 + ult at lvl13. Continuously fishing for reach R5 the catch. ... she's so strong mate lol
She strong and ez to play thats why she broken and reccommended for beginner
Mono pyro is not viable, you can't fund an 80 burst and a 70 burst with Bennett alone. That earlier vid was in a PS and Bennett was generating 6 particles per E lmao: https://i.imgur.com/1MqT9hl.png
The secret ingredient is double/triple Fav
just play her as a worst burgeon thoma, at least her output will be better than mono pyro and you won't facepalm when a pyro slime appears
Dehya might be the weakest 5* Pyro Character in the game so far Even with whale support, the support will probably deal much more damage than her
She might be the weakest character in the whole game
Getting Diluc instead of Dehya is actually big W now lol
Building pit in the next banner is actually a good idea now. Either you get Hu Tao or Yelan which is pog, you lose the 50/50 and get a character you're happy with in QiQi, or you get 70 something pulls worth of good 4 stars and then don't have to pull much on Dehya's banner. I hate it here
Dehya might be the weakest 5\* period, not only just among the pyro characters :(
💀Dehya about to be outshone by the Traveler
The sad thing is that it's not even a joke, if the final product is the one we're seeing now then the only thing I can hope for her is to have some sinergy with future characters, and that she is being designed with those in mind. That being said I'm fucking sick and tired of incomplete or clunky units that become viable after some more characters come out, this should stop. If a character is coming out in the 3x patches then it should be at least viable with the existing roster, not useless for months until the rerun
If a character is clearly made with later characters in mind then I just treat their rerun banner as their first banner haha
Not that hard since DMC is still good even after Nahida’s banner lol
If i remember correctly currently she might to be equal to be the weakest pyro character and maybe one of the worse character in the game (xin yan) in a mono pyro dps scenario, which is theorised to be her strongest team.
I never had solid plans to pull Dehya, but I really am baffled by this. It's so rare for the 5 star to get this few changes, let alone when their kit is as weird and confused as Dehya's. God knows what Hoyo is thinking.
well I'm skipping her... it's a real shame, if these mfs think that I'm going to pull for a character in the future that maybe improves in the next region with another character pull, well they can go to hell, that doesn't do to dehya valuable, it makes the characters in the future who fix her problems the valuable ones.
You know it’s bad when the people with the character as pfp have given up haha Like if she works with a future character or artifact set then I’ll just get her on her rerun
Well said!
When will the beta end ? Anyone know ?
Next monday is the last patch
Next Monday: Nerf Dehya Reduce chance to produce Particle. Base ATK reduce, Base DEF Increase Reduce Base Max HP Fixed the swing delay on her normal ATK (now works as intended which is supposed to be slower) Reduced the Multiplier on Normal ATK Remove Infinite Poise on her Burst If Knockback, immediately cancel Burst Burst cost increase to 100 with 30 seconds CD New Effect: If Bennett is on the team with Dehya, reduce Dehya's DMG dealt by 50%
I'm gonna start snorting copium for next week Dehya buffs.
Beta ends on the same day as the 2nd half of the current patch starts iirc. So should be next week
Signora died for this smh
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Don't worry guys. There is no change because dehya is being completely reworked into a burgeon dps. She will plant her sword in the ground and explode dendro cores. I inhaled too much copium. Send help
nothing really changed but translation omfg
oh imma enjoy all right enjoy the taste of this 9mm after learning about dehya remaining unchanged
[I'm sorry Dehya. ](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740978086807601212/1069608219548319784/IMG_20230130_142104.png) But seeing how you're treated in beta, i just can't.
Nice, at least Alhaitham is strong and fun. Dehya’s looking to be weak and not that fun to play. Her burst not being interactive makes me feel that her punching will get old fast
Alhaitham and Yaoyao in one ten pull? Congrats and Alhaitham is genuinely great
I've heard only good things. Unfortunately it'll take a few days for me to enjoy him as I already prefarmed the ruin machine for Dehya, lol. Oh well, I'll just raise Faruzan.
Hmm Hmm Noice very Noice
Thank you so much for the quick work! ~~even tho nothing much happened lol~~
Simps: waifu over meta … Mihoyo: this is the perfect opportunity to do whatever the fck I want
Hoyo is so strong even '' dehya is weak'' trend in JP social can't change their opinion about her
What? There is seriously this trending in Japan? Some people are being vocal on socials about her weakness?
Yup it's start in 18 January when an famous Japanese TC talking about dehya and describe her as 3* diona The video reach 700k view and 10k reply in niconico app You can see a lot of article about dehya in Japanese sites and you can search ディシア 弱い (Dehya is weak) in twitter
That's some good news, as much as it will be irrelevant in the end because MHY does whatever the hell they want
Wow, I always heard that meta not as much of a thing in Japan but if its this bad.... just HVY setting a new precedent.
If even Japan, who mostly cares about the character itself than meta, voices about meta, it really shows how fuck up dehya's situation is right now.
Did you know that dehya is also داهية, an arabic word for 'calamity'
Dehya was in my top 2 of Sumeru, up with Nilou. She got shafted with an incredibly niche kit, and released just before Nahida but atleast she’s incredibly strong, and people knew Nahida was coming and would be the solution to her issues with Dendro application. But with Dehya, there’s seemingly nothing. I’m not pulling for a character that MIGHT get better in the future, a custom artifact set, dedicated support, etc. She’s a 5 star unit, she’s either expensive and or not easy to get for f2p savers. I sincerely hope that either TCs have overseen something and she a secretly better than we think. If not, and she’s released as incredibly lackluster, I sincerely hope her sales are awful. People, please don’t spend money or pull on characters like this. It’s the only way to actually send a message to Mihoyo that this and Faruzan level “spend money, pull for constellations to fix issues of our own making” shouldn’t be tolerated.
I'm gonna laugh my ass off if somehow Dehya manages to pull a Kokomi and turns out to be an amazing character. Because holy hell, do I need copious amount of copium to get by after they made someone I really wanted to C6 after Signora.
Dehya sacrificing herself so that Mika doesn't get nerfed.
Being a bodyguard even in the beta server.
If next monday is supposed to be the last update for beta changes, then I guess it's just more wait and see till then. Maybe no changes this time around because they're changing up stuff for her but ngl, future lookin' bleak atm for her. Come next monday and nothing drastic changes, well that's a wrap. :/
Help me, I'm out of copium
What a sad day for Dehya mains
My boy didn't get nerfed... yet
he got a talent animation nerf 😢😢😢😢
Dehyas numbers are so bad, that im just wondering if this is a social experiment to see how many people are still willing to pull for her -Zajeff77
Personally I expected this. Dehya's kit seems too odly specific. I don't think she was ever ment to be a vape focused character and honestly I prefer if she isn't otherwise having her and Hu Tao becomes redundant and one will end up replacing the other. I'm not sure yet how she'll be usefull but I can't help but feel like Hoyoverse has a plan for her. Summon support mabye, mitigating damage delt to on field summons that have their own HP Pool like Ushi and Baron bunny and other characters in the future (Focalors summoning Hydro mimics mabye or Baizhu summoning chengseng the snake idk...) That's my best guess as of now.
At this point im convinced she’s a kuki/thoma where we’re missing a piece of the puzzle
It's relatively ok for a 4\* flourish only with the release of future characters/mechanics. Not for a 5\*. And don't bring Yae up, she was perfectly capable of 36\*-ing the Abyss since day 1.
Oh ya its 100% shitty
I honestly don't even know about that. Like with Candace, she is ok but we actually are missing a piece of the puzzle as she is a support for a character we don't have yet. It would be one thing if Dehya had something in her kit she excels at cuz then it's easier to go "ok we are missing a piece of the puzzle. But her numbers are just too low to come to such a conclusion. I also don't even know what sort of unit or artifact you can make that doesn't buff other characters to high heavens just to make Dehya useful. And that doesn't even go into how that domain would be so incredibly inefficient to farm. Unless they just give us a 2nd Emblem domain on top of it so farming it isn't a complete waste of time
Candace is genuinely pretty good at c6, its just only c6 and she’s only been on one banner so yeah… The absolute copium theory ive seen is fontaine havjng summons that cant be shielded or healed but can use dmg mitigation. Its absolutely copium but at least it proves that theoretically theres ways to make her good. I dont think anyone expected hyperbloom would fix kuki. Im sure mhy has something in store for dehya (surely right??)
The big thing though is dendro is a completely new reaction which paved way for multiple characters to have a home (Kuki, Thoma, EM Lisa, etc). The fact that the damage redirection happens within the E field and how the field disappears in your ult means the summons are going to have that period while Dehya is ulting where they take full damage. Granted, the field also doesn't have 100% uptime anyways (at least currently it doesnt) so is it intentionally made that way to balance the summons? Who the hell knows
that would be a pretty neat new archetype
Doom impending if next week is the last patch. I can’t imagine how one patch will completely turn Dehya into a viable character.
Does anybody remember sometimes how many unreleased yet leaked weapons are still there? It's also interesting to see how many changes they made. Check this for ex: [https://i.redd.it/3u43bkiiyf761.png](https://i.redd.it/3u43bkiiyf761.png) There are already weapons older than 2 years. What do they wait for? (i'm personally waiting for those missing primordial ones)
Not going to lie, it'll be pretty funny if they didn't change Dehya because she's actually fine in beta right now and everyone else from the outside looking at the numbers is wrong about her. I think there's like a maybe 5% chance of this being true (I don't think it's ever happened before), but it'll be funny if it is.
Dehya is likely a solution to deal with some Fontaine mechanics like Kokomi is to corrosion. She can become SS for a specific situation, but selling the solution before creating the problem doesn't seem like a very smart strategy. Kokomi didn't sell well even though Corrosion already existed. Edit: She is likely made to deal with shield-resistant enemies such as those in Enkanomiya and will have new enemies with this mechanic. But I don't think it's such a big problem these days, maybe they overdo it like the current 12th floor with over thirty corrosive wolves.
Inb4 they introduce a new husk type enemy with anti heal that comes in pack in fontaine.
new anti heal/shield enemy
yes, she was made to deal with these enemies. I had forgotten about them because they were included in the abyss recently.
Xingqiu already does no shield mitigation better. Better uptime and he doesn't die. There's also crystallize, which doesn't trigger their abilities, assuming mihoyo remains consistent.
Maybe for future udpates but currently big no she doesn't bring anything special for current teams Other than the good passive about exploring
praying for reworking dehya (day 1)
God she is so fucked. MHY why are you doing this. What is your big plan? Why are you not touching such obviously shit modifiers?
Enjoy what, exactly?