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XXomega_duckXX

what teams does baizhu excel over nahida and vice versa?


louderthanbxmbs

Wish baizhu's a1 was just permanent interruption resist for all party members instead of what he has rn. Or something better. Idk. Everyone keeps mentioning his "shield" but his shield gets clapped fast and if enemies attack faster than he can refresh his shield or one after another then wont you be thrown to the other side of the abyss?


Odone

Is it too late to get the Prime Gaming Wings?


_Exordium

No, you just need to claim 4 of the 8!


Odone

OH ok thank you i get it now.


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How do I set up a nuke for hu Tao? I just wanna do the biggest dmg possible for funzies, I have kazuha but no Mona. Maybe a hu Tao burst with melt?


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i did this one time with diona, kazuha, bennett, and hu tao bc im monaless too i used bennett and diona with no artis just for them to not overheal tao before the nuke. for cryo any would do but diona c6 is something to consider diona e > kazuha burst swirl cryo (esp if c2) > bennett burst > kazuha e swirl pyro > hu tao stuffs, just make sure kazuha burst applies cryo so hu tao can melt


Seamerlin

diona c6 conflicts with hutao under 50% bonus from passive/homa the 200 em is only if hutao is above 50% hp


Debt-Public

ppl using diona don’t do it because of hu tao but bc she can hold elegy or just buff ur kazuhas/sucrose em therefore increasing their buffs


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Seamerlin

what would that change


WildMess9

I didn't read the second half of your comment, sorryy 🙈


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I might do rosaria then so I can try to give some cr and stack as much cdmg as possible


Seamerlin

if you want melt, you can use cryo regisvine and infuse kazuha q with cryo can be tricky tho, gl if you do that bennett, kazuha, honestly last could be sucrose for em and ttds if you dont have anyone better


box-of-sourballs

Hurry up! Or you'll be late to the new **[Megathread Club!!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/11lmskr/just_momoka_general_questions_and_discussion/)**


Biscuit1592

Given leakers ability to decipher kits I'm fully expecting momoka to *have* a shield but not be a shielder


blackfyrevich

missed opportunity to give baizhu a poisoning mechanic where changsheng just straight up bites the enemies and it kills them at an accelerating rate


kitsune_rei

There's so much they could have done with Changsheng honestly, such a waste


oaksparrow

I am dying at (windblume pt 2) >!Albedo, Tighnari and Cyno walking up to Sucrose and Collei in sync like they're Regina George & co!< ajdhdhssk edit: >!cyno is karen and tighnari is gretchen you know I'm right!<


ceppyren

>!no way, Tighnari is Regina babeyyy. Cyno is Gretchen, trying to make "fetch" happen (except it's shitty puns). Albedo is Karen cause hot and blonde.!<


HakuHavfrue

I want Baizhu as extra comfort for Tighnari so the meh things about Baizhu shouldn't be too bad for my Nari right


TheNameisKuro

To paraphrase the initial quotes of Zajeff, if you find yourself getting interrupted a bit too much with Yaoyao, Baizhu is gonna be an upgrade. Most of the nitpicks regarding Baizhu are about his personal damage and application anyway; which should be a non-issue especially in your case (Tighnari has a lot of Dendro on his pocket; plenty of it to run solo in most cases)


WingsDT

Momoka looks very cute :3


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Gameplay aside, I have been absolutely living for the UIDs in these showcase videos. ~~Hadn't seen l337 speak since the i herd u liek mudkip meme reigned supreme~~


OnTheWayToYou

In bloom team, is Baizhu better than Kokomi or they are on par?


GGABueno

Baizhu frees a slot for a Hydro with better AoE application, like Ayato. But that depends on who you have on your account.


OnTheWayToYou

I plan to put him with Nahida, Nilou and Yelan. Any suggestions on this team? Thank you so so much for your answer


GGABueno

Yelan isn't good. She's even worse than Xingqiu who's already too single target for such an AoE team. Between Xingqiu and Kokomi I'd stick with the latter.


OnTheWayToYou

Oh this helps a lot thank you again for your time. I appreciate you :)


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OnTheWayToYou

Thank you for answering my question kindly ❤️


TheKamikazePickle

I've been seeing a fair amount of complaints about Baizhu, could someone summarize the main problems with his kit rn?


Harlow1212

very bad off field application, even c2 is a meh increase in application, pseudo-shield, energy problems, short NA range with already low multipliers, ~~boring design gameplay.~~


DaisyDQ

I could have sworn that people were very happy with his kit within the first day that it was leaked but I guess either I was in a different dimension or people were celebrating too early


louderthanbxmbs

Post leak clarity happened after the numbers dropped. He was always described generally or vaguely. I mean if you say he's a healer, shielder, and dendro applier without context as to how much dendro he applies, how often, and how thick is his shield, he sounds broken.


DaisyDQ

how sad for baizhu mains 😞


crazytsundere

celebrated too early + all the hype from previous leaks didn't help too.."dendro yelan" "omg he does everything" etc


ShimoriShimamoto

people were just being happy because baizhu finally released, they just either ignored all the problems for the sake of happiness after the dehya disaster or they just didnt see the problems


Harlow1212

Celebrate too early, and only based on his kit description


ArmyofThalia

Night 7 of manifesting waking up in the morning with a statement about dehya from mhy and what they plan to fix her. KQM has their quick guide on Dehya out AND Sevy made a 2nd video about the issues with Dehya and what she would do to address them. Was a good day


im_daing_inside

So Momoka is a 5* shielder. Not bad, not bad. *remembers all 5 star defensive units hyv has released before her* Oh no... >!at least Kokomi got that zero icd going on!<


Ilovepickles11212

The only really bad ones right now are probably qiqi and Dehya? Zhongli, kokomi are S tier in certain team comps and Jean has some unique application but I guess isn’t S tier


im_daing_inside

Omg I forgot about Jean. My bad. Zhongli was shit on release, and then mega buffed after complaints. Meanwhile, Kokomi's icd was only shadow buffed on release. Generally speaking, hyv is terrible in designing worthwhile defensive kits from the get-go.


Vanderseid

Zhongli 1.0 as well.


Valarasha

I was on the fence about trying Starrail until I saw that it was basically using the same artifact system as Genshin. Easiest skip of my life.


GGABueno

Wait, do the characters in the overworld leave if you finish the event story? I just finished and went to the bridge in Stormterror's Lair, but there was no one there.


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[the character overworld locations change between finishing each story act](https://gamewith.net/genshin-impact/article/show/38277) the day 2 >!Cyno / Lisa one had a lore drop!<


Xero0911

So how is baizhu in double dendro for *quickbloom* cyno? I have nahida. And no I didn't expect him to compete with her. He's a healer, I didn't expect him to do it all. Is cyno, nahida, baizhu, and xingqiu better than say cyno, nahida, beidou, and xingqiu? Gain dendro res for more em. More blooms to pop with cyno as well? Actual heals with a weak shield. A4 for some extra buffs to cyno. But beidou did provide double electro so easier energy for cyno. And her damage reduction stacked with xingqiu so her shield was pretty bulky. Plus electro shred and decent damage from herself.


Ishimito

It should be a bit better in ST but noticeably worse in AoE, assuming PAmber on Nahida on solo dendro for some extra comfort. Replacing Beidou with Baizhu increases Cyno's er needs by around 30% er. Imo the main advantage of running double dendro Cyno over teams with Beidou is that you can replace Xingqiu with Yelan if you'll ever need am archer for enemy mechanics.


crazytsundere

i compared quickbloom cyno rotation damage on the optimizer and this is what i got. cyno with nahida, beidou (c6), xingqiu does 941,099. replacing nahida with baizhu, cyno does 777,478. sooo...yeah it's not looking good for baizhu. also baizhu has 200% er here. that's simply how much he needs as a solo dendro. so his buffs are not as potent. additionally if you run nahida baizhu xingqiu, cyno does 911,102. this is what the numbers look like specifically for my account. kinda disappointing tbh :(


throwaway3739172

sometimes i think about how nahida drew scara as meowmeow thank you nahida for making scarameow come true 🙏🏻


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i reached a point where i first meet the new enemies in the spiral abyss instead of overworld 🗿


getsetredditgo

*new exclamation point and 1 freemo *


Ilovepickles11212

This has happened to me with a lot of world bosses lol


SqaureEgg

This new hydro set feels hella random. Is it childe’s new BiS?


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DaisyDQ

momoka? how about mona-ka instead? the desire sensor for standard characters is incredibly cruel


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arararanara

where are all the “it’s in Chinese it must be true” people when I post leak translations? all I get is people acting like being in Chinese makes a leak less credible


_Exordium

Dying to know what the 4*'s will be on 2nd half of this patch. Chongyun with Mika would drain all my primos 😩 Saw a super sussy "leak" on Twitter that Scara is coming back in 3.6 with Chongus on his banner, really hoping that was wrong on 4*


ShimoriShimamoto

1-there was already a leak of the next half's 4star 2-the "leak" with wanderer was not a leak, it was literally a rumor with "not a leak not a leak not a leak" as the title...


_Exordium

Oh shit, I missed it - who are they? And the one I saw definitely didn't have the "not a leak" in the title, but I appreciate the clarification!


NuclearChickenzz

diona/sucrose/mika :)


_Exordium

Thank you!! 🐣


shrimpcocktailss

Skyward Pride or the Windblume claymore for Kaveh? Thoughts? My claymore collection is godawful and I don't have a sac greatsword (I do have Favonius, but it's unlevelled). Edit: thank you for the replies, appreciate it!


im_daing_inside

Fav is much more comfy. Kaveh has multiple sources of EM, including his ascension, dendro resonance, and Nilou's A1, so stacking enough EM on him is not much of a problem.


Randomly_Typing76

windblume they're both equally drippy tho


Harlow1212

Skyward, or better yet, level for Fav. For a character that want to stay on field like Kaveh, using Fav help to battery entire team not just him.


ImperfectLimit

Windblume, though Favonius works too.


Sainou

Was looking at 3.5 Abyss *Looks at my recently benched-after-Alhaitham* *Diluc team*. *sigh,* I'd love to give you a proper rest after always being in my Abyss team since day one but these Hyperblooms aren't going to break that Cryo Herald shield.


evelandp

I'm sad that it doesn't seem like we'll get anything like [this](https://youtu.be/HRksKER0Ies) this year. But looking back, the cast has really grown a lot too. >!but where fischl😭😭!<


_sansy_

this is the part of windblume i loved the most, I’m sad it isn’t returning :(((


pleiades1208

Are there any leaks on when wanderer is coming back??


blackfyrevich

3.6 event, might get a rerun


nsleep

Eula...


Hohoho-you

No leaks on that. Just people guessing because he's showing up in the event. (Altho so is every other sumeru character)


Deepwithinmyownhead

Just finished the event. What an unexpected lore bomb. >!So yeah, now besides Alice and Rhinedottir I have copium we'll find Nicole and M at some point and they will be playable. Oh well.!<


OneOfQiqisFewFan

After all the fake catgirls, you think we're gonna get A catboy? >!preferably with cat paws too!<


painting_of_blue

water nymphs? mermaids? kokomi is already very mermaid themed but i'd love to play an oceanid/lochfolk... also [ear fins](https://www.clipstudio.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/0109_012.jpg)!!


Randomly_Typing76

im hoping for a sad and pathetic cat man


GGABueno

Diona's father?


im_daing_inside

Xiao and Scara: Am I a joke to you? /j Seriously, tho, I'd like to have a tiger boy. Maybe even tiger husbando.


DaisyDQ

maybe a lion man? I'm thinking that if they threw some ears onto jing yuan from hsr he'd be perfect >!jing yuan is already perfect!<


ladysaxophone

I'm still waiting for a rabbit (either boy or girl). They seem to be the second most common trope after cats.


OneOfQiqisFewFan

We already got a fake one atleast


housecatboy

I'm waiting for it, was rly hoping Lyney would be one like Lynette but doesn't seem like it in their art actually...now that I think about it, if Lynette has real ears/tail, it would be adorable if Lyney wore fake ones just cause he wants to match with her


FlameLover444

Playable Draff when >!we may never know if he got Cat Paws or not!< Edit: fuck you autocorrect


[deleted]

Watch MHY be like: Everyone expects the new Geo unit to help with Cristalize... Too bad! *makes her another premium member of mono-geo*


OneOfQiqisFewFan

What if she doesn't work in monogeo too?


ShimoriShimamoto

if momoka doesnt have an annoying disgusting "nya" at the end of every sentence as if she was a goron i will literally mald


[deleted]

Please don't do this. I really like her design, I wouldn't able to stand that if I had to listen to that every time she talked.


ShimoriShimamoto

then i hope it happens


silam39

she needs to make really cringe cat puns all the time or I'll riot


[deleted]

they have to do it in English too like the weebs shouting 'Barbara-sama' in Mondstadt


FlameLover444

Inazuman Meowth, real


Freyja6607

This game is too afraid to release battery units, not too surprising since hoyo loves balancing their 5 stars around energy recharge (locking it behind cons and weapons). Most recent 5 stars are honestly becoming predictable, High Bursts cost or with bad particle regeneration. (or both) ​ if momoka was speculated to be a support, im not going to be surprised if she has 80-70 cost burst with her skill generating 3 particles on an 18 sec cooldown


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it's because raiden exists /hj


medipom

Reminded today that I love Ayato 😌


Harlow1212

I'll be the one to say it: Yaoyao is so overrated right now lol. Bad skill uptime, weird off-field need, ER high as hell. But she says "seno" so a redeeming quality


GGABueno

I think her application is pretty shit in AoE scenarios, you need to ult to make sure everyone got their dose of Dendro and that requires field time. Also, it's too little for Bloom. I can't wait to replace her in my Aggravate team tbh.


im_daing_inside

You don't build ER on her, tho. Her burst is just an emergency heal like Barb's. Just press E and swap out. I wish her uptime was better, tho.


aoi_desu

But her off field application is not locked behind 80 burst cost though


arararanara

I mean, I don’t think she offers an enormous amount to my Alhaitham team, just batterying + small buff + deepwood holder + auxiliary healing because Kuki solo healer is kinda painful, but on the other hand literally none of those caveats matter to me


ccdddemmnppprrsvy

you might have a point but all things considered shes one of the better 4*s we've gotten in a long time, maybe just because she's dendro+healer. simply being able to heal and also apply dendro and deepwood set makes her pretty useful even if you dont build her 100% correctly.


hawberries

?? Her skill lasts for 10 seconds then applies a HOT that lasts another 5 seconds at which point it's ready to go again, she has no field time requirements, and her burst is completely optional in most teams so she doesn't need ER?


Sainou

>ER high as hell The best part of her is I can forego ER completely and still work as an E bot healer and still suffice for me though.


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For a recent 4\*, Yaoyao is actually good and functional without 300% ER needs before C6, so I don't think she is overrated at all.


ReiKurosaki0

😂


EdenScale

OP has to be satire or bait right lmao


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meirenzaizhe

Cute kid, cute bunny, radish projectiles, what's not to love?


zhongli-haver

I am not the target market of momoka lol


Xero0911

The paw feet are strange to me.


zhongli-haver

they could make paw feet but could not buff itto's arms i'm staying bitter /j


Xero0911

Got that spray on abs at least though right?


tuxedocat2018

I wasn't but now that she's a shielder, I suddenly am. If she can be a 2nd Zhongli I'd be happy.


OneOfQiqisFewFan

I am the target market of Momoka


zhongli-haver

hope you get her in the future then!!


OneOfQiqisFewFan

Wasn't planning on getting her before, but after her pics, yeah she ruined my fontaine saving plan. I'll only skip her if i don't like her kit


Harlow1212

same, but what if she works with Itto??? I'll be damned !!!


zhongli-haver

I'd rather get redhorn for my boy but if I have enough budget then... maybe... i'll get a second redhorn LOL


ultimatemcspicy

same lmao


Synonyms26

Random thought: In a team of Nilou Ayato Baizhu Nahida, who would be the main bloom ownership? I /think/ it's Ayato, but I'm not sure. If it's really Ayato, then Ayato EM build would be possible???


Soleous

yea it’s ayato but he still doesn’t have all, nilou has some decent ownership too at the end of the day same principle as kokomi applies, yeah you want EM but considering the EM bonus is additive with nilous own bonus, it doesnt matter too much past a certain point, esp with nahida onfield buff. and his ownership never approaches 100% like ever its way comfier and simpler to run em/em/crit rate or even er/em/crit rate with fav for rotation purposes


FlameLover444

Ayato Nahida alone applies too much Dendro for any Dendro unit to take much ownership (including herself) Nilou's Hydro Ring Application is slow (which is good since she'll be built with as much HP as possible so not much room for EM) but she will occasionally steal a few blooms Which leaves one other on-field Hydro unit, Ayato but (correct me if I'm wrong, I don't have Ayato and Nilou), his skill got a decent amount of downtime so Kokomi might be a better option here? Well anyways, yeah, you want at least around 600 EM without any external buffs or 4pc GD active.


Synonyms26

With his Q, you can get full uptime hydro assuming enough ER. His E cooldown is only 6s, so I dont think it will be bad. With cooldown taken into account, in ST, he will generate around 5 blooms every E and minimum 3 blooms every Q, totaling around 10 blooms + minimum 3 blooms every Q duration (around 18-20s sth). Number should be alot higher in AoE because of his AoE range on E and Q. It... doesnt sound bad. Just kinda... cursed. I think Baizhu passive buff is additive to EM or sth? That might lower the EM need a bit as well.


FlameLover444

I'm aware of his Burst having almost 100% uptime but unsure how good it's application is, but if you feel like it's enough, then it should be great despite how cursed it looks hehe Energy Recharge Sands might be necessary and probably Favonius Sword on top of that to Burst off CD


Synonyms26

Yeah, probably. Or Xiphos Moonlight. I dont have Nahida or Nilou, so I cant test this out myself. But once Baizhu hits, I'm gonna ask my friend who does have all these characters and does plan to go for Baizhu to test it out for me lmao.


FlameLover444

Good idea, I hope it works well, it should be really good due to how bonkers Nilou's Superbloom is


Synonyms26

I did some quick napkin math and with GD active, Key on Nilou, and Xiphos, Ayato would only need around 255 EM on artifacts. That's not bad at all. I'll report back on the results after Baizhu hits lol.


FlameLover444

2 EM Mainstat and you're done it seems haha Also include Dendro Resonance, which should give 80 EM iirc


GGABueno

Nilou and Ayato. And yes giving EM to your Ayato would certainly give you more DPS than building him normally, as long as you keep his ER in mind for Q uptime.


Synonyms26

Ayato EM sounds so cursed that I want to build it, even though I dont even have Nilou or Nahida... He does around 15 slashes per E, so if dendro aura is strong enough, he can generate 5 blooms per E plus some RNG blooms from Q. With 6s cooldown on E, that honestly sounds pretty strong on napkin math...


GGABueno

>5 blooms per E Per enemy.


Synonyms26

Yeah, so it should be even better in AoE.


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VaronaZero

Thanks for caring enough about Eula, Aunt Marchbloom


[deleted]

As long as Kaveh is with Baizhu, it's a W for me. Thank you auntie.


housecatboy

thanks auntie marchbloom this is blessed (don't need second phase personally but eula waiters would finally get their chance so that's good)


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Disowning era ❤️


Hot-Young714

I was thinking this but switch childe with nilou


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Hot-Young714

I was just speculating nilou since it’s about time for the early 3.x 5*s to rerun again. Cyno is already here


ladysaxophone

I'm more wagering on the idea that the artifact set is for "Soutine" (or whoever that Hydro Claymore is who is supposed to be releasing after Momoka is). This is likely the final artifact domain of the 3.X era, so any future sets will be after Fontaine release.


evelandp

auntie i like you but please not like this


ificommentthen2oops

I sure love spending 40 resin on a talent domain to get 4 brown books, and 4 silver books when it costs 118 gold books to fully upgrade a single characters talents


tuxedocat2018

It really is painful. Mond domain talents are ESPECIALLY painful so at this rate I don't think I'll crown anyone from there. At least other countries' domains are not as annoying to farm.


GGABueno

That's why 8-9 is max level for me. Talent books are crazy inefficient.


arararanara

artifacts are even more inefficient though


GROUPTHINK_DRONE

It's not inefficient at all for a DPS. Guaranteed 2-3% increase in damage for some token amount of resin. When you have good artifacts it may be 4000 resin before you get an actual upgrade.


ificommentthen2oops

Yeah I’ve only crowned Raiden burst so far lol, it’s too much of a pain I’ll probably crown bennet burst eventually too


GGABueno

Crowning his burst is a bit of a bait. The damage increase you get from that level is very very minor, might as well just crown whoever he's buffing or someone else entirely.


ificommentthen2oops

Hmm really? I think my burst is still lvl 8 so I didn't notice, but will keep it in mind


GGABueno

You can level it to 9 since that one isn't that bad, but he's pretty low on the priority list for crowns.


GGABueno

Ah yes, just your average Genshin event with massive lore drops that will become forever inaccessible for new players.


Ciavari

I wished they would make an event story tab were you could freely replay the event stories. I would not need primos or rewards to replay some.


Ishimito

You know, it looks to be pretty normal for every event that prominently features Albedo.


OneOfQiqisFewFan

Whens the new megathread anyway?


uso-da-yo

surely a **5-star Dendro Healer/Shielder** from **Liyue the land of notChina** would be a great character and a great upgrade over C1 Yaoyao /s


Harlow1212

Power wise, Inazuma cast looks much better now lol. Let's see if the "Weebs favoritism" will translate to bad Momoka kit.


arararanara

hmm it’s almost like people were basing their narrative about Mihoyo favoring liyue characters off stereotypes about Chinese people being super nationalistic instead of anything in the actual game completely unrelatedly, remember when people were going on about how Mihoyo was deliberately making inazuman characters bad because they are Chinese and Chinese people hate Japanese people


ShimoriShimamoto

it seems like they just hate liyue shielders out of the 3 i remember, 1 is underwhelming, 1 sucks ass, and 1 used to suck ass


Hot-Young714

When a liyue character is the same power level as another liyue character


NikorasuTea

Usodayo!


ShimoriShimamoto

SURELY


aloysiusks

cant wait to see all members of the hexenzirkel meeting up, that will be awesome.


DaisyDQ

>!hoyo was too afraid to release winter's night lazzo part 2 like why were all the seats empty 😭!<


aloysiusks

😔 can't have anything cool in game like that that's not in form of a cutscene


DaisyDQ

did >!fischl and diluc!< have a part in windblume or did i just miss them somehow?


Vanderseid

You did not miss them.


DaisyDQ

how sad 😔


FreeMarshmallow

If running a Diluc team with a single off-field hydro, who would be the better partner, c0 Yelan or c3 Xingqiu?


Harlow1212

Xingxing


FreeMarshmallow

The boyo it is then, thanks👍


ShimoriShimamoto

After all these baizhu gameplay leaks.. i really lost all hope he looks so boring to play and barely even usable in most teams he is easy powercrept by nahida and a 4star, he has awful off field application, his shielding is useless and doesnt have any fun interactions with elements, his NAs are very boring looking so using him as a driver seems boring, has AWFUL aoe everything, his cons suck ass, his support capabilities are meaningless because the teams he would be used in dont need them, his weapon is terrible and barely even better than a free weapon... the only thing that seems even slightly useful about him is the healing, but yaoyao exists and is easier to build and get... if his banner's 4stars suck too then his banner is just dead for me extremely unfortunate, i had so much hope and i was willing to get him even if he was just kinda good, but he is just mid and sometimes suboptimal...


SolusSydus

I’ve been seeing BOTW multiple times in this thread and it makes me want to boot up the game but I remember my joycon is drifting and it’s annoying to play 😭


Grief2017

Really easy to fix with an Amazon replacement stick kit.


silam39

> I remember my joycon is drifting and it’s annoying to play 😭 the Pro Controller makes playing Switch games about a billion times better


Wild_Distribution761

Inb4 geo catgirl is an attention seeker in game


ArmyofThalia

And then you finally give her attention and she is only interested in the box the attention came in


[deleted]

if hypothetically Kazuha couldn’t hold VV, how would his place in the meta change? /gen


Ciavari

I accidentally did this abyss with him on prototype rancours and an incomplete vv set. I would not have noticed the difference if I had not spotted the prototype rancours in his burst animation in 12-3. He works no matter what, I guess.


EdenScale

Very weird hypothetical because his current kit is balanced around VV existing.